From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #410 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, December 30 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 410 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 -- Jaco's death [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 - Time mag ad [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 -- npr t'log review [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: Kennedy Center Awards: Paul Simon and JT - SJC (trace elements) [Chih] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 Paul Simon at Kennedy Center Awards [Aerchak@] Re: Kennedy Center Awards: Paul Simon and JT - SJC (trace elements) [Cat] Chogyam Trunpa Rinpache SJC [Aerchak@aol.com] birthday wishes ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: birthday wishes [colin ] Re: birthday wishes [Little Bird ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #593/Time magazine ad for travelogue [Aerchak@aol.c] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #593/ janet jackson owning joni's songs [Aerchak@ao] Today's Library Links: December 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:08:11 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 -- Jaco's death I> Yes. He slumped into cocaine addiction, became a street person > in Florida, and sadly, died. I didn't NJC this because...well, because Jaco's work is so essential to some of Joni's best work. Anyway, I don't really know, but I have read that the "street person" aspect of his final days is a myth. Apparently, Jaco was beaten by a bouncer at a club and died from the injuries. There is disagreement on whether he provoked the conflict or not. Isn't there a biography on Jaco, his life and death? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:16:30 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 I> did I just hear and watch a tv commercial sponsored by Circuit City > and the Department of Defense? using Joni's "River"? to solicit > messages to "our boys" who can't be home for christmas...? they > direct you to: http://www.messagefromamerica.com . . . > why oh why would anyone sell the rights to this song to the US military? We've discussed this before....but anyway, I believe that as a composer, Joni would have no chance to allow (or not) the use of a song in a commercial. The decision of whether to allow the recording to be used would belong to whomever holds the copyright to that particular recording, which in this case would probably be the record company that released it. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:23:53 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 - Time mag ad PS - I saw a 1/3 page ad for T in this week's Time Magazine. Price was right, no doubt :~) You're kidding. Which Time rag* is that, what's on the cover? The ad must have been booked before Nonesuch stopped promoting T'log. *remember Joan Baez' song "Time Rag," from the album Blowin' Away? I said Time Time mag, mag You've got me On the rag, rag Take your insults About the Queen And shove them up Your royal Timese machine I never did know whom Joan was referring to as "the Queen." Herself? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:36:25 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 Not sure about this, but I think Janet Jackson owns the rights to Joni's songs. Huh? I don't think so (unless I missed that news somehow). I don't think Joni would sell her catalog to anybody. Maybe you're thinking of Janet's sampling of Big Yellow Taxi in one of her songs. Or Michael Jackson's buying of the Beatles song catalog...or was it Elvis'? Or both? Anyway, again, I don't think so... Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:48:22 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 -- npr t'log review here's the link http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=891774 bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:42:24 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 Andrea, I can't agree more with you. During Vietnam all the poor and working class kids had to go. The others got student deferments or in the case of George Bush, Dad pulled some strings and got him in the National Guard. Did you know he was awol for 14 months from the guard? We can't treat these young kids like we did the Vietnam Vets. They are pawns in the game and so very, very young. I hate to see any of them die and it breaks my heart. Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:56:15 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 Colin, I agree with much you said. I work in a mental health center. I have seen so many people walk through the door who see themselves as only a label. They also believe or have been lead to believe that drugs are the only answer. Never mind they don't have friends or family, or a decent place to live, or a car etc. The loneliness and isolation I see is devastating. Also I have run into people I haven't seen for a couple of years and they are physically destroyed by the huge amounts of drugs they have been given. They have gained tons of weight, are totally flat etc etc. Some people think they are doing better because they are not bothering anyone-don't have the energy. I think it's very hard for a person with bipolar or other illness to know what to do. I recently asked a clinican,"What percentage of your practice is loneliness?" She said, "50-70percent. Not that some don't have something wrong, but if someone cared about them, most would be alright." Most of my job focuses on people's loneliness and isolation, and poverty. there is no pill for that-although I can imagine the drug companies trying to market a pill that way. Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:59:19 EST From: Chihuahua50@aol.com Subject: Re: Kennedy Center Awards: Paul Simon and JT - SJC (trace elements) In a message dated 12/29/02 3:00:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:05:55 EST > From: Bobsart48@aol.com > Subject: Re: Kennedy Center Awards: Paul Simon and JT - SJC (trace elements) > > Saw the Kennedy Center Award ceremony on the boob tube last night. Paul > Simon > was one of those honored. A few observations: > > 1. Paul's "hair" looked like Michael Jackson's face. How could he have > left the house like that ? On one hand, I agree. His hair looked terrible and I think he would look a lot better if he just shaved the top of his head. On the other hand, I really respect people like Paul Simon, James Taylor, and Edie Brickell (Paul's wife, who was sitting behind him), for swimming against the current tide in our culture of artificial celebrities. It didn't look like anyone had "done" Edie's hair or make-up. She didn't look like she even had any make-up on, and she's beautiful. I feel the same way about James Taylor. He's a bald man who walks out on stage and does his job and I think he looks pretty damn good doing it. The music and his integrity speaks for himself. I'm not so sure if I can say the same thing about Joni. "Even on the scuffle, the cleaner's crease was in [her] jeans...." That's okay. A crease is one thing. But I have very little respect for the completely artificial stars like Brittney Spears, etc. I'm always amazed that pop stars will actually list on their CDs the person responsible for their make-up, hair, clothing, shoes, etc. It makes you wonder if the person can go the bathroom without having an official butt-wiper. I like what Grace Slick said in the recent women in rock Rolling Stone issue. She said something along the lines of, 'in the old days we used to just grab whatever was available, put it on, and walk out on stage.' Because ----- it was all about the music ----- and not the image, the video, the marketing, the demographics, the packaging. So, yeah, on one hand Paul Simon looked like he just got out of bed. But on the other hand, it takes a lot of courage to walk out there and say, hey, this is who I am and what I look like, and I kind of had the idea that you were all honoring who I am, and not what I look like. I also have a lot of respect for Paul finally tossing the rug that he's worn for so many years. I think that must have taken a lot of courage for a child of the 50s and 60s like Paul who grew up in the age of Elvis, the Beatles, and Hair. Now it's time for them to honor Joni. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:05:35 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 Paul Simon at Kennedy Center Awards I missed the show but was Paul Simon actually not wearing his baseball cap. I'm surprised he has any hair. I figured that's why he always wears a stupid baseball cap. He probably took it off right before he went on stage so he had hat head ot hat hair. I'm so sorry I missed that. I saw Paul Simon once in the city at FAO Schwartz in 1977 or 1978 and he smiled right at me. He had hair then. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:52:17 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Kennedy Center Awards: Paul Simon and JT - SJC (trace elements) --- Chihuahua50@aol.com wrote: > On the other hand, I > really respect people like Paul Simon, James Taylor, > and Edie Brickell > (Paul's wife, who was sitting behind him), for > swimming against the current > tide in our culture of artificial celebrities. It > didn't look like anyone > had "done" Edie's hair or make-up. She didn't look > like she even had any > make-up on, and she's beautiful. I feel the same way > about James Taylor. He's > a bald man who walks out on stage and does his job > and I think he looks > pretty damn good doing it. The music and his > integrity speaks for himself. > I'm not so sure if I can say the same thing about > Joni. "Even on the scuffle, > the cleaner's crease was in [her] jeans...." That's > okay. A crease is one > thing. But I have very little respect for the > completely artificial stars > like Brittney Spears, etc. I'm always amazed that > pop stars will actually > list on their CDs the person responsible for their > make-up, hair, clothing, > shoes, etc. It makes you wonder if the person can > go the bathroom without > having an official butt-wiper. You forgot the part about them thanking God for their talent and so on. God gets a credit on a lot of pop music CD covers these days - I wonder if he gets royalties? I get a bit tired of people with perfect hair and perfect teeth. Brittney Spears is really pretty, that's for sure, and I'm sure she credits her orthodontist somewhere - the teeth are a bit too white and straight, aren't they? Maybe we could all be that pretty if we had the bucks. I'm always amazed at the fact that people "wear" these expensive designer fashions that leave nothing to the imagination. It seems like the less material is involved, the more expensive the clothing - like the see-through dresses with the halter-style tops slashed down to the navel (let's face it, there are very few people, IMO, that look good in a halter top; if they want people to see their tits, why bother wearing anything on top at all?) And let's not forget the bum-floss bottoms. Then again, there's the strategically ripped T-shirts and cut-off jeans - like these people can't afford to buy new clothes? they've got to wear the ripped stuff? I didn't see the show. I'm remembering Paul Simon's fuzzy head of hair from his last CD, so I think I can imagine. Maybe he should just shave his head after all. Here we go with the bald-headed thing again. Some baldies are so cute. JT does look cute and he always dresses very nicely, but doesn't overdo it. He always manages to look like a real gent. Joni likes to dress well - she always did. Some of the outfits she wears these days are pretty laughable, IMO, but at least she's not hanging out all over and she carries it off well. Few of us could wear those Issey Miyake kite-dresses or puffy things and get away with it. The stuff Joni's wearing these days (in concert, anyway) do suit the glam-style orchestrated stuff, but would look weird if/when Joni decides to go it alone with a small band. In the PWWAM video, her clothing is simpler but still quietly glamourous. She always looks well put-together (even the "terrible" DED perm suited the times - everyone needs to experiment with bad hair at least once in their life!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:45:41 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Chogyam Trunpa Rinpache SJC Ron, Thank you for answering my question about the painting of this man in the T'logue liners. That's absolutely who it is. I had started to think it was Hu Jintao, China's new guy ( I was reading Newsweek). I read that article you directed us to and Joni said he was green on his death bed. Made me wonder if he died of cirrhosis since he was such a drinker. My mother had cirrhosis of the liver and she was chartreuse. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:29:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: birthday wishes i want to thank and hug all the beautiful people that sent messages on my birthday. i send a big hug too to those who forgot or didn't know or didn't want to or were away or had a toothache or simply don't have the slightest idea of who one is. it was a GOOD birthday, considering. and you jmdlers were the best part of the day! i want to give special thanks to (alphabetically!!!): catherine mckay chris marshall colin cindy jimmy jim lama jody kakki kate magsie and duckie boi marian mark connely (*****) michael paz raffaele rosie stephen epstein stevie mitchell susan guzzi i'm not njc-ing because i don't know who's which on my thank-you list. to all the jmdl family: I L O V E Y O U wallyK, now 42 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:19:12 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: birthday wishes >wallyK, now 42 > you bastard! you ahev 2 years on me. I thought you wqetre the OLDER one! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:25:08 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: birthday wishes Well, I just turned 26 on the 27th. It feels no different and I've been told the older you get the younger you feel! Andrew (Waiting to be pounced on by boom-boom baby boomers) - --- colin wrote: > >wallyK, now 42 > > > you bastard! you ahev 2 years on me. I thought you > wqetre the OLDER one! Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:16:02 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #593/Time magazine ad for travelogue The ad for Travelogue (black and white) is in the year end issue (12/30/02) with "The Whistleblowers" on the cover (all women, I love it) on page 14 on the left. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:07:29 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #593/ janet jackson owning joni's songs When someone first wrote me about this,( Janet Jackson owning Joni's songs like Michael Jacskon owns the Beatles songs) I was appalled, incredulous and astonished). Is this true? Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:05:16 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 30 On December 30 the following items were published: 1997: "Joni to mark New Year with newfound family" - The Standard (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=741 1997: "New Year's party for Joni Mitchell" - Calgary Sun (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=60 1999: "The Party 2000" - Rolling Stone (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=589 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #410 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)