From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #409 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, December 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 409 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 Is it Colin Powell on T'logue [Aerchak@aol.co] Rickie Lee [Harry83house@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 "River" on Circuit City ad [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: Fwd: jaco pastorius [Mags N Brei ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 "River" on Circuit City ad [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ja] Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC ["RSM" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [Susan Guzzi ] Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 rickie lee jones [Chorando6@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [colin ] RE: bittersweet ["Kate Bennett" ] Jaco Pastorius articles (sjc) [Les Irvin ] Nonesuch Promos [whizzboom@attbi.com] Re: Nonesuch Promos [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: The New Orleans Report (VLJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: birthday wishes [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [Alison E ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [Alison E ] More on Jaco - vljc [Catherine McKay ] gorka [" Jack Neilson"] Today in History: December 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 07:41:52 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 I know some of you are upset about the use of "River" on the Christmas message-or whatever-on TV by the Army? I look at it this way, those kids who will be killed and on the front lines will be kids from trailer parks, children of single mothers, black, and hispanic. They wouldn't be rich kids like George Bush was during the Vietnam war. When those young guys came home from Vietnam we treated them like shit. So should we do the same now? They are all so young and have no sense of their mortality. When I think how many of them might die for oil why not wish them a Merry Christmas? Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:23:43 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 Is it Colin Powell on T'logue Someone wrote that the portrait of who I called "the Asian guy in military uniform" on the T'logue liner might be Colin Powell. Doesn't he look Asian to you? Or is it Colin Powell? I think he has too much hair to be Powell. And actually he's not in a military uniform at all, I completely made that up, he's in a suit jacket and tie. He's just wearing some pins on the left lapel. Now this is officially driving me crazy. My friend thinks he is some guru. Who is this man and why did Joni paint a picture of him and put him in there/ Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:27:19 EST From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: Rickie Lee Rickie Lee's PIRATES is a very special album...I'll never forget when I was a teenager going over to this guy's house late at night and he pulled out a "water pipe" and put on PIRATES. The memory is still so vivid and we couldn't speak during "Skeletons". Anyway, Turner Classic Movies is occasionally playing this beautifully put together montage of film clips of show business personalities who passed away in 2002, and Rickie Lee is singing this poignant and lovely song in the background. Does anyone know what the song is and what album its from? I've only seen the tribute once but they replay it several times a day I'm told. I'll try to catch it again and snag some lyrics. Also, has ANYONE seen any Joni T'LOG promo posters yet? No word from Nonesuch yet. Best! Harry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:38:57 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 "River" on Circuit City ad It's Robert Downey's version of "River" on the Circuit City ad which Joni loved and since Joni owns all the publishing rights to her songs she must have allowed it. And what the hell is wrong with sending good cheer to folks in the military away from their families at Christmas? Why don't we just treat them like pariah as we did the Vietnam vets? That was very helpful to them. You ever spent any time talking to someone who did a combat tour in Nam. Well, one of my best friends did. You know why, because he was black and got picked up for pot and loitering in SanFrancisco. His choice was Viet Nam or jail. He was 19. And if you were, young, strong and black, that's where the government sent you. And he was treated like shit upon return and he's never gotten over it. Purple heart. Bronze star. Silver star. Get a clue. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:46:08 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC I read in the digest you think it might be Colin Powell. That's a thought. But doesn't the guy look Asian. Now I see it's not a uniform at all but a suit and tie. Who the fuck is it? Why is he there and why did Joni paint a picture of him? And what's that Jack Russell terrier's name? Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 07:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Fwd: jaco pastorius my understanding is that although jaco was into cocaine, he did not become a street person. he died as a result of a fight in a bar. mags You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:58:56 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 "River" on Circuit City ad Not sure about this, but I think Janet Jackson owns the rights to Joni's songs. Joni still gets royalties but I think Janet (bless her!) has some say in what they get used for... or maybe pushes them under people's noses so they do get used! Or am I talking outta my arse? Much Joni Jamie Zoob Aerchak@aol.com wrote:It's Robert Downey's version of "River" on the Circuit City ad which Joni loved and since Joni owns all the publishing rights to her songs she must have allowed it. - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 07:59:22 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC I believe that the gentleman in the portrait is Chvgyam Trungpa Rinpoche, the friend of friend of spirit from Refuge of the Roads. There is an article about him at http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/friendofspirit.cfm Some pictures on the web can be found by going to google.com, clicking on the images tab, and cutting his name into the search window. Here is a link to one: http://www.connection-medien.de/lexikon/bilder/!chgyamt.jpg Ron l.a. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:46 AM Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC | I read in the digest you think it might be Colin Powell. That's a thought. | But doesn't the guy look Asian. Now I see it's not a uniform at all but a | suit and tie. Who the fuck is it? Why is he there and why did Joni paint a | picture of him? And what's that Jack Russell terrier's name? | Andrea | | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:05:55 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Kennedy Center Awards: Paul Simon and JT - SJC (trace elements) Saw the Kennedy Center Award ceremony on the boob tube last night. Paul Simon was one of those honored. A few observations: 1. Paul's "hair" looked like Michael Jackson's face. How could he have left the house like that ? 2. Those who have at some time in my life been my 'number one' include the Beatles, Paul Simon, JT (briefly, because of) and Joni (the latter for only about 31 years). Two of those were there yesterday, as JT performed the Boxer with Allison Krauss (who held her violin but did not play a note - her wooly blanket ?). He has become quite a polished performer over the years, and their duet took me back for a moment to the James/Joni BBC concert of 12/70. Sigh. Wish I had been at that one. Anyway, their rendition of the Boxer did not quite measure up to his version of River at the Joni tribute concert. Was that because of the emotional attachment, or is River just a better song than The Boxer (which is one of my - and everybody's - favorite PS songs)? 3. Back circa 1972, when I was living in NYC, Paul Simon's brother Eddie told me that Paul did not really respect JT's work at that point. I wonder if he has changed his opinion. Certainly, Paul Simon was more ambitious than JT in exploring new avenues on his musical journey - some more successfully than others. 4. To Victor: My wife - who loves JT - loves October Road after only two listens. I have no worthwhile opinion to share yet after only one listen ;-) Bob S. NP - Cotton Avenue - from Joni's 1983 Jones Beach Concert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:50:56 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC Looks like the guy to me. I posted the Colin Powell Comment but didn't think it resembled him. Every one I've handed the CD to has told me they thought it was Powell. I think Chvgyam Trungpa Rinpoche bears a far closer resemblance to the picture. Thanks Ron Chuck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "RSM" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC > I believe that the gentleman in the portrait is Chvgyam Trungpa Rinpoche, > the friend of friend of spirit from Refuge of the Roads. There is an > article about him at http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/friendofspirit.cfm > > Some pictures on the web can be found by going to google.com, clicking on > the images tab, and cutting his name into the search window. Here is a link > to one: http://www.connection-medien.de/lexikon/bilder/!chgyamt.jpg > > Ron > l.a. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC > > > | I read in the digest you think it might be Colin Powell. That's a thought. > | But doesn't the guy look Asian. Now I see it's not a uniform at all but a > | suit and tie. Who the fuck is it? Why is he there and why did Joni paint a > | picture of him? And what's that Jack Russell terrier's name? > | Andrea > | > | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:04:30 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: jaco pastorius For a much more in-depth treatment of Jaco's life, achievements, and the sad time leading to his death, go to www.jacopastorius.com The site was set up by his wife and kids, and is mesmerising. Ingrid, his wife, still maintains the site. - --Chris Marshall (Jaco fan? Me?) chris@hatstand.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:07:11 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 Hi Maureen, Personally, I would not say I am upset but disappointed that one conscience invades another conscience for their own agenda. I don't begrudge the individual G.I. - but that it is played here for pure propagnda. Something I do not appreciate seeing Joni's art subjected to ... and I would hope Joni is not pleased about this either. PEACE NOW! Susan - --- Kardinel@aol.com wrote: > I know some of you are upset about the use of "River" on the Christmas > message-or whatever-on TV by the Army? I look at it this way, those kids who > will be killed and on the front lines will be kids from trailer parks, > children of single mothers, black, and hispanic. They wouldn't be rich kids > like George Bush was during the Vietnam war. When those young guys came home > from Vietnam we treated them like shit. So should we do the same now? They > are all so young and have no sense of their mortality. When I think how many > of them might die for oil why not wish them a Merry Christmas? Maureen Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:22:09 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC Quoting Aerchak@aol.com: "And what's that Jack Russell terrier's name?" > Andrea > Joni's dog is named Coco- as in Channel, or Coconut, as she called him/it! Best Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:28:43 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 rickie lee jones Wally, you missed off Company. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:39:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 >>They >>are all so young and have no sense of their mortality. >> which is why governments use such young people to fight wars. Older ones would be much harder to convince or fool. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:55:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: bittersweet wally Subject: Jaco Pastorius articles (sjc) At 12/28/2002 08:53 AM, Mags N Brei wrote: >my understanding is that although jaco was into cocaine, he did not become >a street person. he died as a result of a fight in a bar. There are a number of articles in the Library published at the time of his death. Fascinating reading. Jazz Star Comatose After Fight At Bar http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=923 Club Manager is Charged in Beating of Jazz Musician http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=930 Dark Days For A Jazz Genius http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=924 Jaco Pastorious, Noted Jazz Guitarist http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=926 Death Silences One Of Music's True Originals http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=925 Charge Filed in Musician's Death http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=927 Man Admits Guilt in Beating Death Plea Consoles Jazz Great's Kin http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=928 Famed Jazz Musician's Killer Sentenced to 21 Months in Jail http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=929 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:48:44 +0000 From: whizzboom@attbi.com Subject: Nonesuch Promos Nope, no word yet. I sent Nonesuch yet ANOTHER email yesterday (whelp, they DID promise, so...). I've also been watching ebay and nothing has surfaced there either. - -Chris > Rickie Lee's PIRATES is a very special album...I'll never forget when I was a > teenager going over to this guy's house late at night and he pulled out a > "water pipe" and put on PIRATES. The memory is still so vivid and we > couldn't speak during "Skeletons". Anyway, Turner Classic > Movies is occasionally playing this beautifully put together montage of film > clips of show business personalities who passed away in 2002, and Rickie Lee > is singing this poignant and lovely song in the background. Does anyone know > what the song is and what album its from? I've only seen the tribute once > but they replay it several times a day I'm told. I'll try to catch it again > and snag some lyrics. Also, has ANYONE seen any Joni T'LOG > promo posters yet? No word from Nonesuch yet. Best! Harry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:36:47 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Nonesuch Promos I still haven't seen any promo posters for T-logue yet, but I did see an ad in a magazine for the first time today. People Magazine (yes I admit I read it) has an ad for Travelogue in their Dec. 30th issue. It's a black & white ad that takes up about a third of the page. Actually Borders is the one that took out the ad, but it does say Nonesuch Records at the bottom. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, the other two thirds of the page is an ad for Valtrex, a perscription pill to treat herpes...........go figure. Talk to your doctor today! :~) Jimmy (who loves Travelogue) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:05:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The New Orleans Report (VLJC) Thanks very much you guys. Hope you had a great holiday and you have a wonderful New Year. My sister is coming with her family in a few days and I am excited. My best to Mimi too. It was not my intention to turn you into blubber either! LOL! Love Paz (still catchin9 up only 237 list emails to go) on 12/22/02 3:46 PM, Mags N Brei at magsnbrei@yahoo.com wrote: > well Michael, if your plan was to make us all blubber by the end of this > beautiful heartfelt post of your, congratulations. collectively we cry in our > liittle home n woodbury nj. bring on the tissues man. waaaaaaa. > > blessings of the season to you and yours Michael and give Christina, Jack, and > Mary when you see her tomorrow a big warm hug from Brian and I. We are > thrilled beyond thrilled for the success of all of you. Michael, we received > the PazFest CD recently as a gift and it is everything you've said it is and > more. > > For the first time Brian and I get to be together in our home for the > holidays...(he's not going anywhere and neither am i..and my futon is still in > his livingroom .. the standing joke between us...anyway ..we/ve been > celebrating holidays since the first night of the festival of the lights which > began November 29th. > > Sad to say that I am away from my other family who are still in Canada and > it's not easy being away from one in particular so maybe you could all send > thoughts and love and light and prayers and all good things to my daughter > Mimi. Id appreciate that so much. > > love, mags. and brian too. > > xoxoxoxoxo > > > > > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:44:59 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: December 26th!!!!!!! A very happy Fecking Birthday to you Mr. Cagno. Hope your day is filled with joy. All the best Paz on 12/25/02 7:28 PM, RoseMJoy@aol.com at RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > He's a gifted singer/songwriter/guitar player who's got the groove. He's got > a smile that will melt your heart. Join me in wishing a wonderful birthday to > Mr. Gregg Cagno over there in a snow laden Pennsylvania I'm sure. > > Happy Birthday Gregg!! > missing you > Rosie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:46:08 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: birthday wishes WallyFacio The original great Birthday fairy, may you have a wonderful day and I hope your wounds are healing. All the best to you old pal. Paz on 12/26/02 9:21 PM, frasere@intergate.ca at frasere@intergate.ca wrote: > to the greatest birthday fairy in the world: > > Wally, > > the happiest of birthdays to you- here's hoping that all you dream and wish > for > come true. Enjoy your special day. > > love > Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 WALLLLLYYYY! happy birthday, mon amour! joyeaux anniversaire! pardon my spelling! tu es tres magnifique! je t'adore! seriousment! i hope you have/had a wonderful birthday. sorry i am a bit late, but as my boyf says, better late than never! course he's talking about my period!!! no drunk posting, no drunk posting.... in all seriousness... i love you wally. i hope you are as happy as i know you deserve to be. love and kisses and hugs, alison e. in slc - --- JMDL Digest wrote: > Happy Birthday, Wally. And if it's your birthday, > it must be time for another drink. > > - --Chris Marshall (getting into the spirit of > things, > literally) Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:33:24 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 no indeed, ron. i wouldn't equate "not letting native americans have a casino" as genocide... i would equate the overwhelming disregard that the american government has paid to the indians in this country as genocide. the am. gov. is in violation of hundreds of treaties that would help native peoples out of the despair that they've been relegated to for decades...you are correct that no government official is standing on tribal land holding a gun to an indian head...they do it through economic strangulation, the fostering of alcohol and drug addiction on the res...the lack of economic development in areas surrounding tribal land...the denial of college educations to indian children and teens...not to mention the systemic racism that continues to plague native peoples...there are more passive and legal ways to do it now...they don't need muskets anymore. i remember a recent comedy act from chris rock about how "black people need to stop complaining...we got it pretty good compared to some others...anybody seen an indian family chilling at red lobster on a friday night???" and he has a very valid point buried in that comedy routine...the native population in this country is still so shrouded in mythology that no one sees the real despair in which many native peoples live. that's my point, i guess. alison e. in slc. - --- JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Saturday, December 28 2002 > Volume 2002 : Number 591 > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:38:03 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: native peoples in the US NJC I hate to weigh in on these political diatribes, but would you really equatedenial of permission to run a casino with genocide? Certainly it could becalled racism or economic oppression. I think that the term "genocide" should be limited to the kind of mass murder, either directly or ndirectly,by a government or sanctioned by a government. I do not believe that I haveseen heard of this happening in my lifetime regarding native Americans. Notto quibble with mistreatment, benign neglect etc. Ron Los Angeles Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:23:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: More on Jaco - vljc There are a couple of excellent Jaco articles on Les's site: "Dark days for a jazz genius," (Tom Moon, Miami Herald, Sept. 20/87) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=924 and "Death silences one of music's true originals" (same author, same paper, three days later, a couple of days after Jaco died) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=925 ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:43:52 -0800 From: " Jack Neilson" Subject: gorka I haven't been here for quite a while.I love how a mention of one memory, especially of a song,can do SO much to SO many in SO many different ways...I had a similar experience hearing gorka speak about and play the same song..HI allison and Kate and thanks for the memories.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:01:44 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 29 1968: Joni performed at the Miami Pop Festival at Gulfstream Park. This 3-day festival featured the Grateful Dead, Steppenwolf, Iron Butterfly, and many others. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=824 1985: Joni and Larry Klein were interviewed in London by Tony Hale of Capitol 95.8 FM for the "Rock Master Class". More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=646 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:01:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 29 On December 29 the following items were published: 1968: "Jerry Jeff, Joni, and Tim" - New York Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=805 1980: "Inner View" - Jim Ladd (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=859 1982: "North of the Border, Does Rock Speak Canadian?" - New York Times (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=827 1985: "Rock Master Class Interview" - Capitol 95.8FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=646 2000: "Favorite guitarists" - Pat Metheny Group Listener Network (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=956 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #409 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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