From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #399 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 20 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 399 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: * Joni Offer (& Tolkein) [Jerry Notaro ] Travelogue [Bob Shemkovitz ] Re: Joni's voice [AsharaJM@aol.com] what is real ... for Colin on his birthday [Mags N Brei ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:37:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: * Joni Offer (& Tolkein) Music Is Special wrote: > In honor of the release of Two Towers, I'll make some copies of the DAT>CDR > transfer I did of Joni's Nov 30, 1969 appearance on PBS (audio only). > During the show, she talks for about 1-2 minutes while tuning of her guitar > of her enjoyment of Tolkein and how Galadrial is her favorite character. > Send your trade list and mailing address if interested. For you old timers, it is part of Tape Tree #5. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:02:40 -0500 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Travelogue I love every note. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:03:01 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's voice Kate wrote: <> YES!!! One of my favorite memories of the 2000 tour was sitting dead center in the second row with my JMDL buddies. When she sang it this way on that tour, Patrick, who was sitting next to me, and I just went crazy. We were getting such a kick out of it, and Joni looked right at us and smiled as if we were 2 crazy little kids. :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:26:16 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: what is real ... for Colin on his birthday What is real, asked the Rabbit one day when they were lying side by side near the nursery fender, before Nana came to tidy the room. Does it mean having things that buzz inside you and a stick-out handle? Real isn't how you are made, said the Skin Horse. It's a thing that happens to you. When a child loves you for a long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you, then you become Real. Does it hurt? asked the Rabbit? Sometimes, said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful. When you are Real, you don't mind being hurt. Does it happen all at once, like being wound up he asked, or bit by bit? It doesn't happen all at once, said the Skin Horse. You become. It takes a long time. That's why it doesn't often happen to people who break easily or have sharp edges, or who have to be carefully kept. Generally by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you cant be ugly except to people who dont understand. From the Velveteen Rabbit by Margery Williams. to Colin, my Real and very beautiful friend, love to you on your birthday and every day, Mags and Brian xoxoxoxox You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:05:30 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: CRITICS of all expression... ERIC wrote: > I've been getting some nasty e-mail about my outspoken love for T'log. > Today some guy accidentally sent me a copy of an e-mail to his friends on > the JMDL responding to my post last night "Joni's Voice": > "see what i mean? this guy needs a good thrashing! my comment on him > bravoing joni's bathroom sounds did not, apparently, do the trick. i > think it may become my mission in life now to mock him, publicly. what a > buffoon! the king of the joni pod people... " As a fairly outspoken critic of Travelogue, I would like to say that this type of personal attack goes completely against the grain of what the list is supposed to be about - and there's a phrase I've used only recently, about traffic going in the opposite direction, so to speak. I hope the person who "accidentally" sent it to you feels suitably ashamed, Eric. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:56:17 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: what is real ... for Colin on his birthday Mags wrote: > From the Velveteen Rabbit by Margery Williams. You know how it is sometimes when you have a lot of posts to read and the author names start getting jumbled? I read through all this thinking it was from Murphy and wondering at his sudden soft side ;-) Then I saw Mags's name at the end. I love this story - it is the best. Happy birthday, Colin (who I am now imagining with a little Beatrix Potter rabbit at his side ;-) Kakki, in a bit punchy and giddy holiday mode ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:23:01 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: more re: eryl.bryn's response to Travelogue You know, I agree that the album is incredibly powerful, insightful, beautiful. I just can't figure out why it has been so easily dismissed by much of the music press. I wonder if it's because there's too much genius concentrated in one album. So much that many people just turn the whole thing off. Or maybe the emotional landscape is so upsetting that many people react with a protective rejection. Also I sometimes wonder if the combination of Joni's poetry, her unusual melodic gift and the soundscapes of the arrangements have formed a synthesis that doesn't fit easily into any musical genre or pigeonhole so people simply cannot relate to it at first. I do believe that the album will stand the test of time and will one day be seen as a kind of summing up, much like Stauss's Four Last Songs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:43:09 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: She's heard her voice thru "both sides now" William Chavez wrote: > I > think in some twisted way Joni has wanted a voice like this for a long time > and I think smoking helped her get it. You may be right about that > Correction, Joni probably wanted and > was very happy with a voice like she had on TI. On TI, the vocal > deterioration had affected her voice to the point where it was "just > right"-like sleeping in baby bear's bed. I loved her TI voice. I'm the opposite-I can barely to stand her TI voice, there is no body, only rasp and gasp. I think she sounds better on T'log...but not that much different. > I thought paintbrushes already came in different sizes?? :) They do? Well there goes my analogy..(hmmm...analogy...the science of the study of the anus....sounds reasonable, butt....butt.....) RR up to his arse in snow north of SF, and just getting over the floods from a few days ago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:17:57 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Nonesuch status? The Nonesuch Web site is offline, with a cryptic message saying there will be an update soon and to go to the Atlantic Records site for information on SOME of the Nonesuch artists, not including Joni. Anybody know what's up? Perhaps Nonesuch has lived up to its name and is now...none such. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:29:11 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: CRITICS of all expression... Azeem wrote: << As a fairly outspoken critic of Travelogue, I would like to say that this type of personal attack goes completely against the grain of what the list is supposed to be about - and there's a phrase I've used only recently, about traffic going in the opposite direction, so to speak. I hope the person who "accidentally" sent it to you feels suitably ashamed, Eric. >> Azeem, Actually I feel a little ashamed for making this such an issue. I feel like Joni must have felt after blaming the demise of the music industry on Madonna! What is it about our Joan that evokes such strong opinions & emotions? The guy who "accidentally" sent me that nasty email was totally mortified that I posted it and has apologized several times. (Did I violate the JMDL rules with this, Les?) I don't mean my cheerleading for Joni's new music as an attack on people not so thrilled. Yet that seems to be the way it comes across to some if not many listers. From now on I'm keeping my growing awe for Joni's evolving artistry to myself. Why do I care if anyone else likes it anyway? Returning to lurkdom, ET ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #399 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)