From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #398 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, December 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 398 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Shut your eyes, what do you see? ["Chris Marshall" ] Prints of Joni's Artwork [ATaublib@aol.com] Re: Prints of Joni's Artwork ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] She is More than Three! ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] CRITICS of all expression... [] BJORK [] Re: Karen Carpenter [Relayer211@aol.com] Joni review-Bravo!! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: 2nd try: Shut your eyes, what do you see? ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] RE: Karen Carpenter ["Wally Kairuz" ] It's a Festivus miracle! [Randy Remote ] RE: Joni review-Bravo!! ["Kate Bennett" ] * Joni Offer (& Tolkein) ["Music Is Special" ] Re: Karen Carpenter ["Adam Mulvey" ] RE: Travelogue criticism ["Heather" ] RE: Karen Carpenter ["Heather" ] Discussion List? ["Eryl B Davies" ] Re: Travelogue criticism [colin ] Re: Discussion List? [colin ] Re: Discussion List? [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Discussion List? ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Meryl ["William Chavez" ] Re: Discussion List? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Discussion List? [Catherine McKay ] Free Joni cover...and just in time for Christmas! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Trivia question!! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Two winners!!!!!!!!!! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Shit that was a lot of fun!!! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Discussion List? ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: shadesofscarlett ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] PBS program: On schedule for May 2003, apparently ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lam] Re: Travelogue criticism ["kakki" ] eryl.bryn's response to Travelogue ["PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Shut your eyes, what do you see? Joni's music, more that anyone else's, paints wonderfully vivid mental pictures for me. I was chatting to Steve T last night and we hit on this point, and specifically that a lot of songs, and sometimes whole albums, evoke not not just images, but colours, times of day, almost a particular cinematic style. And the same ones for both of us, at that. So, I'm wondering, do we all share a Joni subconscious - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:11:33 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: 2nd try: Shut your eyes, what do you see? [Sorry about the first one of these: cut off in its prime as I fumbled and accidentally sent it before I was done] Joni's music, more that anyone else's, paints wonderfully vivid mental pictures for me. I was chatting to Steve T last night and we hit on this point, and specifically that a lot of songs, and sometimes whole albums, evoke not not just images, but colours, times of day, almost a particular cinematic style. And the same ones for both of us, at that. So, I'm wondering, do we all share a Joni subconscious when we put on a record, dim the lights, and shut our eyes? A few examples: The whole of the daytime songs on Hissing become green-tinged, at the very least, and I keep returning to the mental image of lawns and sprinklers. Most of Hejira is shot in monochrome... Coyote is joyous and sunlit; Refuge is at dusk; Furry is old film: grainy and documentary-style; Sharon just evokes images of Manhatten from the ferry: it's misty, with the sky-scrapers looming in the grey distance; the only one I see in colour is A Strange Boy. Most of DJRD is kinda yellowy, desert-coloured, probably influenced by the title track. All the imagery from Blue is blue-tinged... Now, sure, some of these are influenced by the album colour, which forms the basis for some of the other mental imagery. So, get out your boxes of mental 8mm film, and tell us what you see. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:15:37 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: 2nd try: Shut your eyes, what do you see? >So, I'm wondering, do we all share a Joni subconscious >when we put on a record, dim the lights, and shut >our eyes? > > > Hissing to me is hot and steamy and sordid and unhappy. i imagine sweaty men in their suits, anry and harrassed and unahppy, sweaty women, unhappy, angry and harrassed and thug type men, sweaty, taking advantage and using people and beautiful, but sweaty, young women, glazed eyes, desperate. the whole thing is rather dark. Happy ,little album..... All of TI is dark blue, all takes place at night, among the 'sad and lonely'. STAS-windswept and wild LOTC - sunny and bright with a storm on the horizon and then the storm. C&S-hot , dusty, high school times. Hejira-blizzards, cold, and dark and drunk and lonely. DJRD- steamy and hot and south american in feel-like being at Mardi Gras. again, drunk and lonely and sweaty and hot. Mingus-bar full of boring drunks. WTRF-dis jointed, not particular images. DED-electrical storm-powerful and scary and exciting ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:20:46 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni's voice It is ridiculous to attack someone for liking Joni's present voice. It is equally stupid to attack those who don't. The only person whose opinion matters is that of the listener. what goes around comes around as they say. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:44:22 EST From: ATaublib@aol.com Subject: Prints of Joni's Artwork Hello All, Does anybody know if it is possible to purchase prints of any of Joni's paintings? Albert Taublib New York ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 06:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Prints of Joni's Artwork Yes and no. There's a poster (lithograph) available from the Mendel Art Gallery in Saskatoon Saskatchewan of the 'voices' celebration of her visual art. If you watch ebay, nearly every week you'll see posters of the artwork for the "BOTH SIDES NOW" or "TAMING THE TIGER" albums. Lama - --- ATaublib@aol.com wrote: > Hello All, > Does anybody know if it is possible to purchase > prints of any of Joni's > paintings? > Albert Taublib > New York Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:01:35 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: She is More than Three! Foot in mouth disease continues unabated amongst the speakers and defenders of the free Joni from the bastard company produceers - the Travelogue album is undoubtedly the most complex peice of music and I retract all earlier statements as premature!!!! Listening yesterday I realized once again how many different planes of being she is aware of within herself - I have this awareness - dulled unfortunately by shit luck - she keeps me from going under so - after having a dream where my down comforters were ensconsed in ice upon the floor - ingenuity had it that I conveniently found one that was not - could this mean, dare I say, could it be the beginning of the appearance of love to me scene?!?!???? Alas one indeed can only hope! Thank you to all who replied to my previous missive I have sent a copy of the painting - show on smoe.org for failing to realize email does not have to be boring!!! Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:10:56 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "shine on your witness" I love the way Joni sings this line in "Refuge of the roads".There is a real note of weariness or longing in her voice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:41:16 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Collins/Laura Nyro In a message dated 12/18/2002 1:40:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, willchavez@hotmail.com writes: > > >yes i agree reuben, "judith" marked a change in judy where she >started > to > >sing more flatly and a little passsionless. > >but the albums up till then are what i'm talking about. assured, >fearless > >and groundbreaking. stong guitair strumming and a fierce >altro. there is > a > >lot of good work there in those 10 or 12 lps. > > I agree that Judy's vocal approach on "Judith" starts to change. There are > Don't forget this was the period when Judy was drinking very heavily. I'm sure that seriously affected her singing ability. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:43:31 -0500 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Judy Collins/Laura Nyro True, but I believe that she got sober for "Hard Times For Lovers", which was (I think) released in 1977 or '79. This album (one of my favorites, by the way) still has her using this flat voice. She perked up a bit with "Running For My Life" and the superb "Times of Our Lives", though. I love the 80's Judy albums... Reuben >>> 12/18/02 10:41AM >>> In a message dated 12/18/2002 1:40:30 AM Eastern Don't forget this was the period when Judy was drinking very heavily. I'm sure that seriously affected her singing ability. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:40:44 -0500 From: Subject: CRITICS of all expression... ERIC wrote: > I've been getting some nasty e-mail about my outspoken love for T'log. > Today some guy accidentally sent me a copy of an e-mail to his friends on > the JMDL responding to my post last night "Joni's Voice": > "see what i mean? this guy needs a good thrashing! my comment on him > bravoing joni's bathroom sounds did not, apparently, do the trick. i > think it may become my mission in life now to mock him, publicly. what a > buffoon! the king of the joni pod people... " Unfuckingbelievable. If this person really is no longer a fan of the Mitch, then why bother being part of JMDL? I mean, there's criticism and there's criticism. "Bathroom sounds" is just plain mean-spirited and ludicrous and uncalled-for. You don't like her voice? Then don't listen to it. I don't like each and every minute of T'LOG (so a "pod person" I ain't), but I have great respect for Joni at all times. Her performances here are as passionate and poignant as anything she's ever done. Whatever happened to: if you don't have anything nice to say, then why say anything at all? We're not sycophants here; but nor should we be hatemongers. Some of the reactions from supposed fans of Joni -- or ex-fans, if they really feel so betrayed or something -- have been pretty fucking ugly. MICHAEL in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:49:39 -0500 From: Subject: BJORK And, while I'm all steamed up ;-) let me say this about that: I think Bjork is one of the great ones. Odd? Sure. But talented? You bet. M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:58:57 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Karen Carpenter In a message dated 12/18/2002 12:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, RPBell@newchurch.edu writes: > > True, but I believe that she got sober for "Hard Times > For Lovers", which was (I think) released in 1977 or > '79. This album (one of my favorites, by the way) > still has her using this flat voice. She perked up a > bit with "Running For My Life" and the superb "Times of > Our Lives", though. > Reuben > I used to think Judy had the sweetest voice in the world. Now I think her voice can't compare with "Karen Carenter".Karen's singing voice was just gorgeous... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:54:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni review-Bravo!! thanks, i was only allowed 90 words! that was so hard! but i found it was very similar to songwriting where you have to distill....i conciously felt i needed to moderate my praise knowing that there would be some who would not like this cd... will >>Loved your review of T'log...It's a shame it wasn't a wee bit longer<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:34:45 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: 2nd try: Shut your eyes, what do you see? Chris wrote: So, I'm wondering, do we all share a Joni subconscious when we put on a record, dim the lights, and shut our eyes? Hejira: is a mixed bag for me, flowing in and out of light and dark..."Coyote" is very bright to me, a winter road trip with sunlight causing snowblindness. "Hejira" always reminds me of the opening scene from "Fiddler on the Roof", the camera sweeping over the night rooftops of a small cold town, reflective, distant. But "Refuge" is actaully light for me, greens, grays and whites swirl in this song when I close my eyes. HOSL: reminds me of really nice silver rings and bracelets, if I ever get my bench set up I am cranking this album and sitting down to create! DJRD: warm and dreamy, which is what it seems she was going for, vibrant C&S: everytime I hear this album I want to bust out really good wine and cheese, or indulge in what ever is around :)) It triggers something making me always feel stronger. TTT: smooth purple velvet, scotch on the rocks, laughter mixed with reflective silence. LOTC: Dusty afternoon sunlight on worn wooden floors, innocence, I just see Joni's beautiful face in my mind when I hear this album. thanks for asking such a creative question!!! Erica _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: hell Subject: Travelogue criticism You know what makes me laugh? Imagining what this list would have been like, had it been in existence when Mingus, or DED were released - imagine the flame wars we could have had! There are some Joni albums that people like, and there are some that people don't like, so why all the fuss about Travelogue? Personally, I like it a lot (and I like her voice), and I LOVE the packaging. I also like Mingus and DED, but I'm not so fond of Clouds or LOTC. That's my opinion, and it's probably different from a lot of other people, but it's never been a hanging offense before! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:36:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Karen Carpenter so TRUE! lately i've been listening to karen's xmas album, and not even the notoriously kitsch hand of brother-cum-pimp richard carpenter can spoil the uncanny, somber beauty of karen's voice. to think that she led such a sad life, stifled by her mediocre family and pushed to aim only at top 40-dom! what a waste of a life and of a career! she should've done the standards (the few she did SO amply evince her brilliance as an interpreter). she should have done the songbooks. she was literally given shit and she turned it into solid gold. even her solo album -- the most dreadful thing you could ever imagine -- has moments of glory. karen's case depresses me enormously. wallyK, np: the Christmas song, karen carpenter. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Relayer211@aol.com Enviado el: Miercoles, 18 de Diciembre de 2002 02:59 p.m. Para: RPBell@newchurch.edu; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Karen Carpenter I used to think Judy had the sweetest voice in the world. Now I think her voice can't compare with "Karen Carenter".Karen's singing voice was just gorgeous... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:17:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: It's a Festivus miracle! Last night, I was looking for a CD to play, and latched onto Shadows and Light. To my horror, disc 1 of my remastered-and only-played-once set was visably cracked. I suspect fowl play... anyway, I put it on and it played all the way through! It's a Festivus miracle! I was getting off on the the pliant quality of Joni's voice, showing just the first hints of cig damage, such a wonderful instrument. And "Dry Cleaner" always knocks me out, the intro with her and Alias, then Jaco kicks in...yum. Hippy Hoolidaze RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:19:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni review-Bravo!! for those who asked, here is the review online (it may change tomorrow as that is when the new edition comes out: http://www.independent.com/a&e/criticspiks.html ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:03:07 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: * Joni Offer (& Tolkein) In honor of the release of Two Towers, I'll make some copies of the DAT>CDR transfer I did of Joni's Nov 30, 1969 appearance on PBS (audio only). During the show, she talks for about 1-2 minutes while tuning of her guitar of her enjoyment of Tolkein and how Galadrial is her favorite character. Send your trade list and mailing address if interested. cheers, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:09:27 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Re: Karen Carpenter > so TRUE! lately i've been listening to karen's xmas album, and not even the > notoriously kitsch hand of brother-cum-pimp richard carpenter can spoil the > uncanny, somber beauty of karen's voice. 'Brother-cum-pimp'? Sorry to be horribly self-righteous n'all, and as I'm British I know it's letting the side down not to be horribly snide at every available opportunity, but what the fuck justification do you have for that? Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:49:03 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Travelogue criticism Well, Hell, I guess we when all get bored we can pretend Mingus or DED just came out and really go at it ;-) Simply put, opinions are opinions ...or are they? Let's see what the dictionary says about the word 'opinion' ... Hmmm ... there are 5 inflected forms of opinion in my American Heritage dictionary which is too much for me to type here. One has to do with personal opinion; one public opinion; one legal opinion .... The thing I found interesting is under synonyms for the word 'opinion'. They state the word 'view' as a synonym and it reads "differs principally in that it stresses individuality of outlook as a determinant of the conclusion". There are others also ... sentiment, impression, feeling, conviction, persuasion, judgment .... All of these synonyms come out on this list in some form or another. What's my point? None really. Just fascinated by the word 'opinion' all of a sudden. As far as Joni's music is concerned, I don't entirely dislike any of her albums/cds (my little jury is still out on Travelogue). I think there is only one cut on Mingus that I like! Who cares! This list has its ins and outs and that's what it's all about. Kinda like the hokey pokey :-) Best always, Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of hell Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:36 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Travelogue criticism You know what makes me laugh? Imagining what this list would have been like, had it been in existence when Mingus, or DED were released - imagine the flame wars we could have had! There are some Joni albums that people like, and there are some that people don't like, so why all the fuss about Travelogue? Personally, I like it a lot (and I like her voice), and I LOVE the packaging. I also like Mingus and DED, but I'm not so fond of Clouds or LOTC. That's my opinion, and it's probably different from a lot of other people, but it's never been a hanging offense before! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:58:01 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Karen Carpenter Wally! I was listening to the Carpenters Christmas songs on the radio today and thinking the same thing!! Talk about the same wavelength! :-) I was thinking how she might have felt ... how her family made her feel ... always made to stand in her brother's shadow. I always feel sad at the end of her songs. She had a beautifully smooth voice. Speaking of smooth voices, I just picked up a Jo Stafford collectors series cd. I love her voice. Some may think that it's not a dynamo voice but .... she is soooo smooth! best- Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally Kairuz Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:37 PM To: Relayer211@aol.com; RPBell@newchurch.edu; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Karen Carpenter so TRUE! lately i've been listening to karen's xmas album, and not even the notoriously kitsch hand of brother-cum-pimp richard carpenter can spoil the uncanny, somber beauty of karen's voice. to think that she led such a sad life, stifled by her mediocre family and pushed to aim only at top 40-dom! what a waste of a life and of a career! she should've done the standards (the few she did SO amply evince her brilliance as an interpreter). she should have done the songbooks. she was literally given shit and she turned it into solid gold. even her solo album -- the most dreadful thing you could ever imagine -- has moments of glory. karen's case depresses me enormously. wallyK, np: the Christmas song, karen carpenter. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Relayer211@aol.com Enviado el: Miercoles, 18 de Diciembre de 2002 02:59 p.m. Para: RPBell@newchurch.edu; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Karen Carpenter I used to think Judy had the sweetest voice in the world. Now I think her voice can't compare with "Karen Carenter".Karen's singing voice was just gorgeous... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:05:36 -0000 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Discussion List? I Joined the list on Sunday hoping to find some like minded people but all i find is closed minded anoraks who can't see further than the ends of thier noses and can't accept any thing different to whhat they're used to. The only comment that I have read in the past few days which seemed to make any sense was Eric Taylor's. I have fallen in love with travelogue. The orchestral arrangement is beautiful. The textures and colours created are wonderful. It is only to be expected that a recording of singing with a large orchestra is going to be different to a studio album where everything is arranged around the voice. The impact which the orchestra brings to the music is trully moving. I find listening to the record quite an emotional experience. I am alternately elated and brought almost to tears. It is obvious to me that a lot of people have put a lot of their soul into this record and if anyone who worked on this recording were to read some of the comments aired they would surely feel as bad as anyone going through a divorce. This is my first posting and will probably be my last. I find the comments in these discussions(?) totally at odds with the sentiments of Joni's lyrics. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:09:38 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Travelogue criticism >. Kinda like the hokey pokey :-) > >Best always, >Heather > > > hokey pokey? what sort of dance do you do, miss? I always thought it was the hokey cokey but just realised that could have a whole other conotation-snort! you are right of course, oipinons are only opinions. i fiind it somewhat amusing to see people getting their knickers in a twist over other people's opinions. reminds me of when as a child i would think that if my likes were not agreed upon, they were dissing me! Thank god that piece of narcissism was rooted out last week. Joni won't please all of us all of the time. Hopefully, she doesn't give a toss and just pleases herself. Sometimes one thinks that is what she is like. then other times one reads soemthing and one feels she isn't quite that secure after alll..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:14:43 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Discussion List? Eryl B Davies wrote: >I Joined the list on Sunday hoping to find some like minded people but all i >find is closed minded anoraks who can't see further than the ends of thier >noses and can't accept any thing different to whhat they're used to. The only >comment that I have read in the past few days which seemed to make any sense >was Eric Taylor's. I have fallen in love with travelogue. > > Hi eryl and welcome to the list. You have a kindred spirit in Eric and I am sure the rest of us love you already. Can't wait to get to know you better. thank you for sharing. sincerely colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:23:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Discussion List? Eryl B Davies wrote: I Joined the list on Sunday hoping to find some like minded people but all i find is closed minded anoraks who can't see further than the ends of thier noses and can't accept any thing different to whhat they're used to. Welcome to the list, Eryl. I have to say though, to form such a negative generalization about the list after reading messages for the past four days would be uh..closed minded. There a lots of folks here, myself included who are enjoying Travelogue. There are lots of folks who aren't. But frankly, that does not characterize the wonderful nature of this community. So I hope you stick around a little longer because I enjoyed your post. There are a few people who have been intolerant of negative T'log reviews and there are a few people that have been ridiculing of positive reviews, but remember the VAST majority of us are playing hokey pokey...or something like that, right Heather? Jenny Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:54:43 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Discussion List? Eryl..please at least stick around long enough for my trivia question tonight that involves prizes..9PM. (EST) Oh...I'm in the love T'log camp... but it just does not do it for some on the list. This is okay! Of course those musicians did their best!! It's all about musical tastes..likes and dislikes... Bree >recording were to read some of the comments aired they would surely feel as >bad as anyone going through a divorce. >This is my first posting and will probably be my last. I find the comments >in >these discussions(?) totally at odds with the sentiments of _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:17:10 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Meryl >Why would she audition as Evita Peron for EVITA if she can't? I never knew that she auditioned for EVITA! How come Madonna got the part. I never saw it since I'm not into television and I rarely go to the movies (although I like the movies, I really hate television except for Discovery, Animal Planet and one or 2 others). I was under the impression that Madonna did well in this movie but I can't see her outdoing Meryl. That one I don't comprehend. So do you know if there is a soundtrack or collection of Meryl singing tunes? I think I would be pretty interested in getting it. Thanks!! Will _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:57:54 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Discussion List? In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:07:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, eryl.bryn@lineone.net writes: > This is my first posting and will probably be my last. I find the comments > in > these discussions(?) totally at odds with the sentiments of Joni's lyrics. > I hope it's not...new voices are always enjoyable! And thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts. I'm not sure tough that I understand your second statement. Joni's work is all about duality, about looking at things from Both Sides Now, about things being Borderlines...which specific lyrics do you have in mind that we are totally at odds with? Bob NP: Refuge Of The Roads, T'Log ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:10:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Discussion List? --- Eryl B Davies wrote: > I Joined the list on Sunday hoping to find some like > minded people but all i > find is closed minded anoraks who can't see further > than the ends of thier > noses and can't accept any thing different to whhat > they're used to. Welcome to the list. I think. What is a close-minded anorak? I thought an anorak was a jacket of some kind. I didn't realize they could have minds, closed or otherwise. (Just trying to figure out whether to react with righteous indignation or go back to sleep...) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:56:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Free Joni cover...and just in time for Christmas! If you don't win Bree's trivia game, you can still get a Weds. nite freebie...I'd like to let Joni fans know that there is a fine cover version of River by Joe Milsom available for downloading this week at Steam Powered Studio- www.somewhereoutwest.com Bob NP: Just Like This Train ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:03:37 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Trivia question!! Send answers to me OFF list! Who am I madly in love with on the JMDL? Just Kidding! Question: What is the very first thing a person will do when entering a department store? (over 90% of the population does this. Men..women and children) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:09:54 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Two winners!!!!!!!!!! Bob Mueller is the top dog!!!!!!! Ken about a second behind!!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:13:36 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Shit that was a lot of fun!!! Duh the answer: Turn to the Right!!...go right young man...... Bob I have your home address. Ken I will need yours. Thanks everyone that was a blast!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:36:07 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: She's heard her voice thru "both sides now" Interesting thoughts. As someone who very much prefers Billie Holiday's earlier stuff, the question of expression makes me think that no matter how much expression you intend for a given performance, if you have less of an instrument (voice) to work with, you have, well, you have less to work with. There are places you cannot go. Sure you can make up for it with inflection, etc, but that is compensation. I wonder if she pulls half the hairs out of her paintbrush to intentionally get more expression out of it. Somehow I doubt it. So I'm left with the conclusion that her limited voice is something she has to work around, and it is not so much intentional as the price of chain-smoking. Not to dredge up the smoking issue again, but, as with any addiction, not only the addict, but those around her also suffer. RR True but what I was pointing at was that at times she had no problems sustaining notes effectively and in other area she would take a similar note and just cut it off. Granted, their are vocal limitations on this project that probably couldn't be helped, but in other areas I think she imposed the vocal limits to see how much mileage she could get from just inflection. I think in some twisted way Joni has wanted a voice like this for a long time and I think smoking helped her get it. Correction, Joni probably wanted and was very happy with a voice like she had on TI. On TI, the vocal deterioration had affected her voice to the point where it was "just right"-like sleeping in baby bear's bed. I loved her TI voice. On T'log she crossed the fine line were many just consider the voice horrible. Still, I think she likes her current voice, she appreciates it despite the fact that others don't. I would like to think Joni would like to turn back the deterioration to the level of TI but somehow I don't think she would trade her T'log voice for her STAS or C&S voice. She's been there, done that. Will I thought paintbrushes already came in different sizes?? :) NP Jane Oliver(First Night)-Vincent _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:24:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: byt >>that Counting Crows/Vanessa Carlton cd single of BYT...<< i heard that song today in linens & things...i was disappointed- i love the crows but don't like that song very much probably because its been overoveroverplayed... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:25:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Discussion List? >>>I Joined the list on Sunday hoping to find some like minded people<<< this is a diverse list...there have been many positive posts about t'log which you may have missed having just joined up...anyway you should stick around because it is always changing...just don't expect everyone to agree on anything & you'll be fine! diverse opinions is what makes this list so fascinating! ps i love t'log & expected not too! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:31:20 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: shadesofscarlett Right. Exactly. I agree. Who cares about a tribute album that's in the can? It might be a very strange concept to have approval over one's own tribute album anyway. I mean, as reluctant as she was to put out "hits", I don't WANT anything else that smells even remotely like a 'swan song'. Can you imagine asking someone, "So---- how's the inscription for your headstone coming along?" Who in their right mind wants her to "sign off" on a tribute album? We have a new album, TRAVELOGUE. Full stop as the Brits say. Lama P.S. I wouldn't mind asking, "So, now that you have a taste for a big sound, how are going to use it NEXT?! Are you going to collaborate with Vince on new stuff, giving him little spaces as you do with Wayne? Are you gonna update Paprika Plains? What's simmering in the stew pot, woman?" Bob Muller said, >>>> Well daggummit, we have seen THREE this year alone - Steve Klink's "Places To Come From, Places To Go", Big Yellow Taxi, and the SUPERB Rachel Z Trio's "Moon At The Window". Add to that the duo from David Lahm, the "Back To The Garden" Canadian Tribute, the Swedish "A Bird That Whistles" project, the FLAWLESS Lydia van Dam "Both Sides Now", the very flawed "Came Upon A Child of God" from the UK, and that doesn't even count the 11 covers CD's I assembled this year...am I leaving any out? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:32:18 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: PBS program: On schedule for May 2003, apparently What I *do* care about is beating the drum for the PBS special, still scheduled apparently for May 2003 in the "American Masters Series". While there's nothing new about it on the site, http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_homepage.html I guess it's okay to tell y'all that our own archivist, Simon Montgomery, was a consultant for the program. Way to go, Simon! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:53:58 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Travelogue criticism Hell wrote: > You know what makes me laugh? Imagining what this list would have been > like, had it been in existence when Mingus, or DED were released - imagine > the flame wars we could have had! I was thinking along the same lines last week - if there had been an internet and discussion list back around HOSL or Mingus, I can easily picture myself at the time whining sorrowfully about Joni changing beccause that is how I felt. Wouldn't have felt the need to flame anyone - would have just been slightly depressed and morose ;-) When DJRD first came along, I thought she had reached her lowest point but then something in me changed. I didn't want to accept that she had "fallen so far," so kept listening to it in an attempt to defy my own perceptions. Took 20 years but finally there was a breakthrough and it is now in my top 3. I finally came around with HOSL and Mingus thanks to discussions I read here. Maybe I was ready for it, too. > There are some Joni albums that people like, and there are some that people > don't like, so why all the fuss about Travelogue? I'm not sure - maybe some of the professionals on the list can analyze this phenomenon and explain it to us! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:06:25 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: eryl.bryn's response to Travelogue There are plenty of us here that think this is a great great CD. I related to your comment about how emotional your response has been. I have had the same intense reaction, crying at least once every time I listen to one or the other CD's. Somehow, the selections seem either utterly contemporary or achingly nostalgic. I am about the same age as Joni, and have been in love with her music since the first album, so I think there is a component of remembrance of things past to some of the cuts. For example, I have such a strong connection to Chinese Cafe partly because of the strong memories I have of the time I was listening to it and the people I was listening to it with. Somehow, too, and I have no idea why, the lyrics to the songs seem to have gained a prominence and a power that I never picked up on before. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:05:48 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 19 On December 19 the following item was published: 1994: "A Deeper Shade of Blue" - Time (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=380 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:43:25 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #575 - Ann, Nancy & Joni (And Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart are big Joni fans.) I have a friend who used to be the road manager for Heart. He once told me that Ann (or maybe it was Nancy) told him that she saw Joni backstage at the Grammys and wanted to approach her, but was too star-struck and in awe of Joni to do it. Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #398 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)