From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #391 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 13 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 391 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Nelson riddle [Gordon Mackie ] Joni in Rolling Stone - again [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: thoughts for the statue [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Tlog PR ? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Travelogue/Wayne [Steve Polifka ] Re: The Nelson riddle [Steve Polifka ] Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" [Steve Polifka ] Re: Joni statue UPDATE ["Lori Fye" ] SLOUCHING... [] CLOWNS [] RE: SLOUCHING... ["Jerry Notaro" ] RE: CLOWNS ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: CLOWNS ["Adam Mulvey" ] Joni, the musical! [] Re: CLOWNS ["Adam Mulvey" ] Re: Joni, the musical! ["Adam Mulvey" ] The Circle Game [] JONI'S voice [] SO FAST / SO SMART [] Re: Re: SONDHEIM [] Re: Re: JONI'S voice [] Travelogue, touring and "painting" A Starry Night Again [ATaublib@aol.com] Fwd: JONI'S voice [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Re: SONDHEIM ["Adam Mulvey" ] A Joni kind of day [] Re: Joni, the musical! [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: Joni, the musical! ["Adam Mulvey" ] Re: Travelogue, touring and "painting" A Starry Night Again ["Stephen Too] Joni & Nash trivia/news [Randy Remote ] RE: Joni never inhaled ["Victor Johnson" ] Not a Joni moment [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Joni, the musical! [colin ] Re: Travelogue, touring and "painting" A Starry Night Again [colin ] Re: Joni, the musical! [Ricw1217@aol.com] Joni's Fantasy Box (Set) ["William Chavez] RE: Joni, the musical! ["Heather" ] Re: Joni, the musical! [Ricw1217@aol.com] signing off ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni, the musical! [Catherine McKay ] Re: t'log, shorter and blade [Eric Taylor ] Today's Library Links: December 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Usama & the big boobed blonde [Eric Taylor ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:55:07 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: The Nelson riddle Hi All Todays bile from me concerns 'holywood style' orchestrations. Many writers on the list have defend Maestro Mendoza's orchestration a la 40s/50's nostalgia. If that were the case, I'd be a happy bunny but put simply, in IMHO they dont come close. Was listening to Ella the other night and thinking how exqusite the orchestrations were.....but then again, it's so much easier to love the work of dead people. The film "The Man Who Knew Too Much" (clearly no realtion of mine) has a wonderful orchestral score by Bernard Herrmann. Now that's 'holywood style" Just won another Joni music book on eBay. Wild Things Run Fast. Collection gettting pretty damned close to complete. Did they ever do a Don Juan's songbook? Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:21:02 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Joni in Rolling Stone - again Hi-- twice in barely a month? At least Joni's new Rolling Stone Q & A (in the year-end Double Issue) won't generate any more bad press--no dissing this time, though she does call the today's music scene "pornography" which is fair enough. The tone is overall quite reverent, and Joni even gets a plug in the TOC area called "Rock n Roll"... love it... FYI, the story is on page 28... curious to know what others think... Mitch in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:37:03 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: thoughts for the statue > "The least one can ask of a sculpture is that it not move." -- Salvadore > Dali "No great art was ever created by committee." -- Jerry Notaro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:43:52 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Tlog PR ? michael o'malley wrote: > > NP: Karrin Allyson - Ballads, Remembering John Coltrane (man, can this lady > sing!) I just got her In Blue on the strength of her interpretation of Blue Motel Room on it. It is terrific. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:32:09 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Travelogue/Wayne Well Fred, Maybe that's what I'm missing. I'm very Western in my musical tastes, I must admit. I hear Wayne as conflict (can you say: I Ching) to Joni's music. Maybe that's what she wants. Wayne is probably a genius; however, it is wasted on me. I'm not saying that every musical passage he plays- on every Joni song is dreck, but for the most part (for me) I can't relate. Maybe I sounded harsh but that's how I feel. (And it's nice to know I'm not the only one...) Steve At 02:06 AM 12/12/02 EST, you wrote: > writes: > >>I wasn't going to go there, but I feel the same way about Wayne Shorter's >>playing. >> >>Okay, we know he can play... but what is he playing? Can this guy play >>ANYTHING remotely melodic or beautiful or even intriguing, stimulating,(on >Joni's >>CDs)instead of this smattering of notes- like the swipe of a paintbrush >>at a canvas from 50 feet away?(lol) >> >>I don't understand. Please explain. > > >I'll try. > >It's birdsong. > >A paintbrush, yes, but on rice paper with ink and water ... only one chance >to capture the moment. Very non-Western. > >And to my ears it's eminently melodic, beautiful, intriguing, and stimulating. > > >-Fred > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:00:41 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: The Nelson riddle Yes, They did a Don Juan's music book It has the COMPLETE score of Paprika Plains! No Dog Eat Dog music book, though... Steve At 08:55 AM 12/12/02 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All > >Todays bile from me concerns 'holywood style' orchestrations. Many >writers on the list have defend Maestro Mendoza's orchestration a la >40s/50's nostalgia. If that were the case, I'd be a happy bunny but >put simply, in IMHO they dont come close. Was listening to Ella the >other night and thinking how exqusite the orchestrations were.....but >then again, it's so much easier to love the work of dead people. The >film "The Man Who Knew Too Much" (clearly no realtion of mine) has a >wonderful orchestral score by Bernard Herrmann. Now that's 'holywood >style" > >Just won another Joni music book on eBay. Wild Things Run Fast. >Collection gettting pretty damned close to complete. Did they ever do >a Don Juan's songbook? > >Gordon > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:03:44 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" I'm so honored to be in the same league as Pazman. Thanks, Lama!!! Steve, blushing... At 11:52 PM 12/11/02 -0800, you wrote: >Sounds like 3 great stimulants and then me. > >Thanks > >Paz > >on 12/11/02 3:21 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu at jlamadoo@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Until she returns to the piano, we'll just have to >> muddle through somehow...... >> >> On the other hand, we have you and Paz and Roberto on >> keys, Chuck holding down the dulcimer, Marian on the >> electric, etc, etc, etc. This ain't so BAD!!! >> >> Lama >> >> BTW, Terry Matlan of Detroit is in the league with ALL >> of you guys! >> >> --- Steve Polifka >> wrote: >>> If you would have heard her play at the Toronto >>> Harborfront Tribute last >>> year, >>> you might be on your knees at Le Deux Cafe BEGGING >>> her! >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> Steve, thinking about doing just that... >> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >> http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:13:24 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Re: SHORTER CIRCUIT LOL! (Thanks!) Steve p.s. Waynes a millionaire- he can take it... :-P At 02:53 PM 12/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >Why I oughta...! > >To the moon, Steve, to the moon! > >Poor put-upon Wayne! > >;-) > >M > > >> >> From: Steve Polifka >> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:08:20 -0600 >> To: >> CC: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: SHORTER CIRCUIT >> >> At 11:32 AM 12/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >Oh and btw: I think Wayne Shorter's >> >contribution to T'LOG (and all Joni >> >albums) is immeasurable. >> >> >> Well, as we all know, there are infinite numbers below Zero on that >> scale(as well as above...) >> >> :-P >> >> Steve > > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:30:26 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni statue UPDATE > see http://www.joefafard.com > Check out the sculpture called M. Le Cure on this page: http://www.joefafard.com/joe%20web%20page/archive/art/people.html WOW!!! What a talented artist!! Lori, hoping Joni will agree to sit for Joe ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:00:48 -0500 From: Subject: SLOUCHING... > You may be sorry you asked. I think Slouching is one of Joni's great > compositions. Only she could improve on Eliot. And her live version during > the 1998 tour was a career highlight. I am still in awe when I hear it. But > the Travelogue version, especially with that choir, sounds like it's from a > bad production of Boris Godunov. > > Jerry Wish I had heard it live! What was the orchestration like? M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:05:21 -0500 From: Subject: CLOWNS FRED wrote: > No, that was Judy Collins, who recorded it and often sang it live.> Yeah, I know the Collins version of SEND IN THE CLOWNS (as passionless as her BSN). But I'm positive I heard that Joni did it as an encore -- as a one-off -- in a '74 concert. But maybe that was just a rumour. I sure would love to hear her sing it. M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:06:54 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: SLOUCHING... No orchestration. Just a little help from the band. Joni's voice and guitar work led the charge to the climactic finale, with sublime contributions from the brilliant Brian Blades and Larry Klein. But again, it was Joni's lead, not a conductor/arranger. The story of Joni singing to Mendoza's tapes and having to look at Klein for direction is exactly what I am talking about. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: mtotzke@gosympatico.ca [mailto:mtotzke@gosympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:01 AM To: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: SLOUCHING... > You may be sorry you asked. I think Slouching is one of Joni's great > compositions. Only she could improve on Eliot. And her live version during > the 1998 tour was a career highlight. I am still in awe when I hear it. But > the Travelogue version, especially with that choir, sounds like it's from a > bad production of Boris Godunov. > > Jerry Wish I had heard it live! What was the orchestration like? M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:09:04 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: CLOWNS Yeah. I can't imagine Joni singing a song that Judy had a hit with (except, of course, one which she wrote). Though I disagree with your description of passionless. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of mtotzke@gosympatico.ca Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:05 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: CLOWNS FRED wrote: > No, that was Judy Collins, who recorded it and often sang it live.> Yeah, I know the Collins version of SEND IN THE CLOWNS (as passionless as her BSN). But I'm positive I heard that Joni did it as an encore -- as a one-off -- in a '74 concert. But maybe that was just a rumour. I sure would love to hear her sing it. M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:23:04 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Re: CLOWNS > Yeah, I know the Collins version of SEND IN THE CLOWNS > (as passionless as her BSN). Whoa, there. Judy Collins was always straight as an arrow, agreed, and you would hardly award her prizes for musical innovation. But 'passionless' is way off the mark. Mariah Carey is passionless. Celine Dion is passionless. Judy Collins simply manages to sound sweet and professional without ever lapsing into tedium. I like her 'Send In The Clowns' very much. In fact, I would go as far as to say that when it comes to 'Who Knows Where The Time Goes', I can't choose between her version and Sandy Denny's; and that's about the highest praise as I can muster. She even managed to cover Dylan's 'Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues' without making a fool of herself. Just because she tends to be perceived as a kind of 60's 'rent-a-voice' doesn't mean she didn't have class, and she never confused 'singing' with 'squealing loudly up and down the range'. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:35:57 -0600 From: Subject: Joni, the musical! Anne wrote, and someone--Debra?--quoted: "> Gee, it's funny you should mention this, Debra! I've > been toying with how to incorporate some of Joni's > songs into a musical. Here's the very rough outline. > I'm interested in hearing what others think of the > general idea. > > Blue: The Musical > with songs by Joni Mitchell > ... > Act I Scene II - Billy Blue sits with friends in a bar. > They talk about women. Someone asks him about Penance. > He says she's too headstrong and says she wants to be > "like a man," like he is actually, free and with a man > in every port. He sings Cactus Tree about her. > > Acti I Scene III - Dawn, the dancer, enters and > performs a dance routine. (maybe she could dance to a > Joni song done instrumentally?) After she finishes, she > goes over to Billy. They flirt. ..." Me now: I add my voice to the chorus that says, this sounds wonderful! I look forward to hearing more, Anne, and whoever else is interested! On a related note: has anyone seen the article in today's New York Times about "Movin' Out," the Twyla Tharp dance production based on a cycle of Billy Joel's songs? According to the article, that particular show is still plagued with serious problems. However, it goes to show that this sort of thing can be done--and indeed, *is* being done, even as we speak! Take care, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:36:45 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Re: CLOWNS > Yeah. I can't imagine Joni singing a song that Judy had a hit with (except, > of course, one which she wrote). Well, at the hight of Judy Collins' career it was much more common to have singers who interpreted songs written by professional songwriters. Dylan and Joni are, of course, two of the most famous examples of a 'singer/songwriter' trend which grew to become the norm through the 70's. Dylan, when he started out, wrote songs for Witmark, one of which (I'll Keep It With Mine) was apparently written specifically for Collins to have a hit with. (It is also, irrelevently, one of the greatest songs ever written. Dylan thought it was crap and abandoned it very early on in his own career.) Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:47:09 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! > On a related note: has anyone seen the article in today's New York Times about "Movin' Out," the Twyla Tharp dance production based on a cycle of Billy Joel's songs? According to the article, that particular show is still plagued with serious problems. The most serious of which probably being that it's a musical based on a cycle of Billy Joel songs. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:16:59 -0600 From: Subject: The Circle Game Maureen wrote: "I am rambling but the album gave me this feeling-you know that melancholy you can feel on an autumn day? It kind of hits you in the gut. It's a certain kind of sadness. Well I feel like that when I listen to T'log. The passing of the years etc. and a feeling of regret that things aren't the same." Maureen, I can so completely understand your feeling, although I have not yet heard "Travelogue" (I'm not rushing to go out and buy this one, perhaps for that very reason). For me, Joni was the singer and poet of my youth. She helped shaped my perspective as a teenager and young adult, and provided the soundtrack for my falling in love for the very first time. My early memories of Joni are of the fresh brown earth beneath my feet in springtime as I walked home from high school, having listened to several tracks from Joni's new album, _Court and Spark_ in study hall; of the delight I took in the power of her ideas and her wordplay in college; of the vague, but still clear sense I had that Joni, too, had sacrificed a great deal to be true to certain ideals, as I was trying to do in my own life. For many, many years, through most of the 80's and half of the 90's, I lost track of Joni as I pursued other interests, other goals. Then my younger brother, remembering my early passion, gave me "Turbulent Indigo" as a Christmas present in 1994. The rest is history. Now both Joni and I are no longer young. I listen to Joni's more limited, but nuanced voice on "BSN" and I realize that, for both of us, some dreams have been met, some have been exceeded, and some, irrevocably, will never come true. But perhaps something in Joni's voice of today can be as meaningful to me as the voice of Joni as a seeking, striving, always complex artist and woman in her 20's and 30's was to me years ago. I hope so. I'm open to that. After all, life is for learning. Take care, and thanks for listening, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:22:40 -0500 From: Subject: JONI'S voice I've been thinking about Joni's ravaged voice (all that smoking, all that talking, all that LIVING), and wondering why it sometimes bothers me and sometimes does not. I feel like that character on SEINFELD who always answers his own questions. "Do I wish that Joni could still hit those high notes? Of course. Am I put off by the choppy phrasing others have noted here? Sure. But is there much to love in Joni's voice now? Yes! For one, its whiskey-sour quality brings a brand-new sexiness to songs such as FLAT TIRES, TROUBLE CHILD, GMBABM and BE COOL. And Joni's languid, held-back jazz phrasing is more assured than ever. Her thrilling lower register adds a new womanliness and wisdom to DAWNTREADER, RICHARD and CIRCLE GAME. These are older songs; and I like the feeling that Joni is telling me these stories of hers again, years later, and making me really listen to the words. That "And a dream of a baby" in DAWNTREADER is devastating. I love the lightness in RICHARD; where the original is full of sorrow, this version is fond, accepting and hopeful (and, as someone mentioned earlier, she really nails "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away"). As for CIRCLE GAME, I imagine Joni singing it to a child. Such tenderness in that "Caught a dragonfly / Inside a jar." There's a welcome intimacy throughout. I feel that Joni's readings of LOVE, CHINESE CAFE and CHEROKEE LOUSIE are as naked and intimate as anything on BLUE. And even some of her odd, chopped-up phrasing really works for me. At first I didn't like AMELIA; but now, her breaking up of "It was just a flase alarm" (different each time) suggests that she's searching for the words, singing it for the first time -- which adds to the drama. So too her reading, in HEJIRA, of "A defector / From the petty wars / Until / LOVE / Sucks me back that way." Boy, can I feel that! Finally, I guess I have to confess that some pretty devastating things have happened to me recently; and the very human quality of T'LOG -- with its sorrows and joys, its bombast and intimacy, its roughness and smoothness, its glory and its pits (!) -- is more comforting than I can put into words. And so, for me, T'LOG is viintage Joni; and long may she wave. MICHAEL in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:34:04 -0500 From: Subject: SO FAST / SO SMART > From: Jenny Goodspeed > Date: 2002/12/12 Thu PM 12:14:20 GMT-05:00 > To: mtotzke@gosympatico.ca > Subject: Re: packing a PUNCH > > dang! we sound purty smart! ;) Jenny HOT DOG, DARLIN'! M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:53:07 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: SONDHEIM FRED wrote: > Regarding Clowns, I could never imagine Joni doing it ... I'll bet the rumor > was just like the old game of "Telephone," misinformation passed down the > line: started out Judy, became Jody, then Jodi, finally Joni. You left out "Joan." ;-) M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:55:47 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: JONI'S voice JACK wrote: > All of this talk about Joni's voice, some love it, some hate it, reminds of something Joni wrote a long time ago... > > "Oh but now old friends they're acting strange > And they shake their heads > And they tell me that I've changed > Well something's lost but something's gained > In living every day" You said it! Alternate title of T'LOG: SOMETHING'S LOST BUT SOMETHING'S GAINED. M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:05:21 EST From: ATaublib@aol.com Subject: Travelogue, touring and "painting" A Starry Night Again In a message dated 12/11/2002 3:02:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Jamie Zubairi's take on Travelogue > > "Finally, I agree that if she tours this album, it will be one of the > greatest > concert experiences of my life." > > I believe that any Joni concert would be the best concert of my life. But............ does anybody remember her off-stage quote in MOI, "Hey man, would you ask > Van Gogh to paint A Starry Night again?". > > > While I love anything and everything she does--She is Goddess to me--I do > wonder why she revisits old gems instead of writing new ones. > > Albert Taublib > New York City ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:10:20 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Fwd: JONI'S voice Sorry, I didn't send this to the whole list the first time around. Return-Path: Received: from aol.com (mow-m04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.132]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v90.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-1212124308; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:43:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:43:08 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com To: mtotzke@gosympatico.ca Subject: Re: JONI'S voice MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <09A81B0C.69B7B606.0004E5E0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/12/2002 12:22:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtotzke@gosympatico.ca writes: > "Do I > wish that Joni could still hit those high notes? > Of course. Am I put off by the choppy phrasing > others have noted here? Sure. But is there > much to love in Joni's voice now? Yes! All of this talk about Joni's voice, some love it, some hate it, reminds of something Joni wrote a long time ago... "Oh but now old friends they're acting strange And they shake their heads And they tell me that I've changed Well something's lost but something's gained In living every day" Or how about this one.... "We can't return, we can only look behind From where we came And go round and round and round In the circle game" I think it's pretty interesting that she chose these two songs to close out her last two albums, and I think it pretty much sums up how she would feel about all this debate. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:26:06 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Re: Re: SONDHEIM > > Regarding Clowns, I could never imagine Joni doing it ... I'll bet the rumor > > was just like the old game of "Telephone," misinformation passed down the > > line: started out Judy, became Jody, then Jodi, finally Joni. > > You left out "Joan." That's because no-one wants to contemplate Joan Baez doing Send In The Clowns. It would break every window in your house. :o) Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:05:43 -0600 From: Subject: A Joni kind of day To all: One of the never-ending small blessings of my everyday life is the view from my office window. That large window runs the width of the room, and looks out on a scene that, on any given winter day, could be a dead-ringer for the cover of "Hejira"--perhaps because it comprises the lake directly across the isthmus from that *other* Madison lake on which, I'm convinced, the cover photo for "Hejira" was shot. Today, I have seen once, twice, three times, beautiful formations of "geese in chevron flight": at least once, from said office window, as part of the winter lake scene. Life is good!! I just wanted to share that with you. Mary P. - --My apologies to the Joni-Onlies, if apologies are in order. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:27:20 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! In a message dated 12/12/02 11:48:24 AM, adammulvey@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > > On a related note: has anyone seen the article in today's New York Times > about "Movin' Out," the Twyla Tharp dance production based on a cycle of > Billy Joel's songs? According to the article, that particular show is > still > plagued with serious problems. > > The most serious of which probably being that it's a musical based on a > cycle of Billy Joel songs. > > Adam > boy, you sure have the opinions, huh? and god help whoever disagrees with yours! i happen to like billy joel's music. and i also happen to think most of travelogue is embarrassing. go ahead! go get your hammers, your boards and your nails... geez! ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:36:34 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! > > On a related note: has anyone seen the article in today's New York Times > about "Movin' Out," the Twyla Tharp dance production based on a cycle of > Billy Joel's songs? According to the article, that particular show is > still > plagued with serious problems. > > The most serious of which probably being that it's a musical based on a > cycle of Billy Joel songs. > > Adam > > boy, you sure have the opinions, huh? and god help whoever disagrees with > yours! It was a joke. > i happen to like billy joel's music. and i also happen to think most of > travelogue is embarrassing. go ahead! go get your hammers, your boards > and your nails... What's the difference between me thinking Billy Joel is embarrassing and you thinking Travelogue is embarrassing? Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:00:03 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Travelogue, touring and "painting" A Starry Night Again Albert Taublib wrote:- > But............ does anybody remember her off-stage quote in MOI, "Hey >man, > would you ask > Van Gogh to paint A Starry Night again?". > > > While I love anything and everything she does--She is Goddess to me--I >do wonder why she revisits old gems instead of writing new ones. Yes, but remember Joni said this to point out a major difference between the performing arts and the vissual arts. Also someone on the list the other day brought to my attention that Joni started writing songs around the time her daughter was adopted and stoped writing when they were reunited. I think her songs eased the pain and gave her a new focus in life. So she now doesn't have that pain and has put things in a new prospevtive. Sure she still has alot of anger for the music biz but she has covered all that and feels more rested. I think this comes through on TLOG because I feel it has a definitive sound to it. I sure hope she puts out another record (even if it is that depressing Christmas album) but this seems like the right note to end on. "And it made most people nervous They just didn't want to know what I was seeing..." STEVE NP: 'Amber Waves' Tori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:58:17 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni & Nash trivia/news 1. A Counting Crows/Vanessa Carlton cover of Big Yellow Taxi will be on the soundtrack to the new Sandra Bullock/Hugh Grant film "Two Weeks Notice". "...expected to be available in the next few weeks. ...the album will be available only on the Pressplay [webmusic] service" Hey Bob-do you have this one already? 2. Graham Nash has been named the worlds first "Surround Artist of the Year" by the Surround Music Awards committee (didn't know there was one). The DVD-audio version of his "Songs For Survivors" release has also been nominated for the upcoming awards for "best design menu" and "best additional features". more info at http://www.dtsEntertainment.com/latestnews.php ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:53:6 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Joni never inhaled > Bob, I couldn't disagree more. When I listened to it Friday night - > start to finish, both discs - I listened not only in the dark > (candlelight, Kate), but with headphones on. I was struck by the sound > of her breathing in, found it painful to listen to. Holley had the same reaction...she found it painful to listen to though she also loves her voice. Victor in Asheville - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:09:53 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Not a Joni moment The other day I had just boarded a bus and heard the driver whistling; normally that kinda bugs me, but I could have sworn that he was whistling you Turn Me On I'm A Radio! So obviously I went up to congratulate him on his excellent taste: only thing was, he wasn't whistling YTMOIAR after all - he said it was a song from Dirty Dancing. Is anyone familiar with Dirty Dancing or its soundtrack, and is there a song which could be mistaken for YTMOIAR (when whistled slightly out of tune whilst nosing through the traffic outside London Bridge station)? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:04:09 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! > and i also happen to think most of >travelogue is embarrassing. > since you confessed, you get to choose your manner of execution. (however, boards and nails are all ready reserved for the other listers whose angst is greater) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:06:46 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Travelogue, touring and "painting" A Starry Night Again >Yes, but remember Joni said this to point out a major difference between the >performing arts and the vissual arts. > > > yes. tho unfortunately, she chose a wrong analogy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:16:06 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Tlog PR ? I've been hounding (poiltely) Nonesuch for a Tlog promo poster for a month now. Last they told me they were still being printed and they send me one when they were finished...we'll see. Where's the usual Letterman/Rosie stuff, though? I've been wondering this myself... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael o'malley" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: Tlog PR ? > Have any of you been unsettled by the seemingly invisible release of Tlog ? I > don't know what it's like in big cities like Toronto, London, New York or > London, but here in Quebec, it really is, sadly, a non-event. Only one > independant record store (that caters to boomers) has put the cd in it's > storefront. The large chains don't even carry it. Where are the TV and print > magazine pieces? Where are the posters of the album art? Is Joni not available > for talk shows and the like? And the tour? I recall there was much more (and > considerable) fanfare around BSN. What's happened? > > Michael in Quebec > > NP: Karrin Allyson - Ballads, Remembering John Coltrane (man, can this lady > sing!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:50:20 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! In a message dated 12/12/02 5:59:47 PM, adammulvey@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > i happen to like billy joel's music. and i also happen to think most of > > travelogue is embarrassing. go ahead! go get your hammers, your > boards > > and your nails... > > What's the difference between me thinking Billy Joel is embarrassing and > you > thinking Travelogue is embarrassing? > what's the difference? well, i don't suppose there is any! but i get the feeling she could record her visits to the bathroom and you would be shouting bravissimo! encore! bring in vince mendoza and whoa - a work of pure genius. am i worng? could be! its nice to live in a world that has room for more than one point of view! this list is so scared of the top 40! (are you hoping joni might drop in and read how sympatico you are?) the top 40 has included a whole lot of good music! billy joel among them... rock on. (now THERE was a great top 40 hit!) ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:07:40 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni's Fantasy Box (Set) >waterphil >ive given myself some restraints. i believe around 20 cuts per cd is >a >good average, less on later work, because most artists tend to get >more >long winded. oh, and one more thing. joni CANT do the graphics. >i will. >basically it will be a TON of black and white high contrast >photos >spanning her entire career, tiny color pix of each album, all >lyrics and >recording dates, and an extensive, recent, non crabby >interview with joni. Man you basically nailed it except for.... the early years: I love "Morning Morgan Town" but I think I would switch it for "He Comes for Conversation". Also, how could you leave out "THE ARRANGEMENT"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the only song from her early period that really tells us that JONI IS COMING! THAT BLUE IS COMING!!!!! "The Arrangement" is where Joni starts getting complicated vocally and musically. FTR and C&S would probably have never been born had she not written something like "The Arrangement". It took me a few months to even think this song belonged in LOTC but when I got it, I had to hold on to my chair. This was the begining of the ride! One last thing, the song "Willy", after all she did write this one for me. I'm sure some may want "For Free" in there as well but I've grown a wee bit tired of it by now. As far as Clouds, "Tin Angel" is one of my favorites and "Fiddle & the Drum" does mark new territory for Joni because it is somewhat political and it's done acapella. On the acclaimed years: I think you covered it except that you missed one of her biggest hits. "You Turn Me On..." I know its a bit of a lightweight compared to her other stuff but it did put our little Joni on the radio. It always helps to have a radio hit just before a big album comes out(C&S). It give the new album much more momentum. On the Peak years: I like "Edith ..." OH, sorry go to go! Will _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:27:09 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni, the musical! gee. just cause you like billy joel's music and dislike travelogue we are suppose to build you a house???? heather In a message dated 12/12/02 11:48:24 AM, adammulvey@blueyonder.co.uk writes: On a related note: has anyone seen the article in today's New York Times > about "Movin' Out," the Twyla Tharp dance production based on a cycle of > Billy Joel's songs? According to the article, that particular show is > still > plagued with serious problems. > > The most serious of which probably being that it's a musical based on a > cycle of Billy Joel songs. > > Adam > Ric wrote in reply: boy, you sure have the opinions, huh? and god help whoever disagrees with yours! i happen to like billy joel's music. and i also happen to think most of travelogue is embarrassing. go ahead! go get your hammers, your boards and your nails... geez! ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:11:08 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! In a message dated 12/12/02 7:05:35 PM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > since you confessed, you get to choose your manner of execution. > (however, boards and nails are all ready reserved for the other listers > whose angst is greater) > damn. that's me. joni come lately. let's see. i want something creative! how about i lay down in the middle of the road and a car full of joni pod people run over me time and time again, while i dream flat tires? sigh. only the good die young! i DO like SOME of travelogue. i think cherokee louise is nice, and dawntreader, i think, is lovely. there are a few others too! i think i actually like t-log's borderline better than the original! how about THAT! does that get me a phone call from the governor? i can handle the ruined voice. it has a sort of world weariness i can get behind. its those sappy arrangements! to my famously tin ear, they sound like a soundtrack to those b-list movies from the 1950's. i keep expecting to hear bette davis breathing her last as the room goes dark! they make me want to get up and change the cat litter. and to think if i had JUST KEPT MY BIG MOUTH SHUT, i could have probably infiltrated this list's inner circle! (i know, i know...pipe dream...) love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:28:54 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: signing off I didn't go to work yesterday because on Tuesday the right side of my neck, head and shoulders hurt so bad that I couldn't face sitting at the computer for 8 hours. It's much better now but this has been a chronic thing with me for some time now. I went to the doctor yesterday and he ordered some x-rays. He said I may need some physical therapy and possibly an evaluation and ergonomic adjustment of my work station. So I haven't been reading email for the past 3 days and there are 226 unread JMDL messages in my inbox. I've come to the conclusion that it isn't doing me much good to spend 8 hours at a computer at work and then come home & sit in front of another one for another one to two (or three or four) more hours. So I've come to the conclusion that I need to unsub from the JMDL. I've thought about doing this many times in the past when discussions have gotten ugly or when my insecure child has felt that he hasn't been paid much attention to. But I've always managed to convince myself that I shouldn't be childish and that I would miss you all much too much to let some foolish notion of mine deprive me of your company. But now I feel that this is a compelling enough reason to leave. I know there are others with much more serious and debilitating health issues than mine. But I think that I need to take some action to try and do something that might improve mine. Travis suggested that I just read messages with subject lines that appeal to me but I just don't think I could do that. I would be too afraid I had missed something or someone worthwhile. If anyone wants to keep in touch, I would love hearing from you. I'm at mark.travis@gte.net. Drop a line from time to time. I may find the withdrawal pangs are too much for me and come right back. Or I may resub somewhere down the road. Wishing you all peace, love and joy. For those that celebrate holidays at this time of year, Happy Holidays! I will miss you all in one way or the other. Love to You All, Mark E. in Seattle or is it Mark in Seattle? or Mark E. in Shoreline? just where the hell am I anyway? he's a real nowhere man/sitting in his nowhere land............ Bye! Mark Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:29:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! --- Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated > i can handle the ruined > voice. it has a sort of world weariness i can get > behind. its those sappy > arrangements! to my famously tin ear, they sound > like a soundtrack to those > b-list movies from the 1950's. i keep expecting to > hear bette davis > breathing her last as the room goes dark! they > make me want to get up and > change the cat litter. LOL, Ric, this cracked me right up. I have a love/hate relationship with this CD. Today I love it (again). Tomorrow, who knows? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:14:50 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: t'log, shorter and blade J.David Sapp wrote: << I think joni takes a huge risk with T'log - evidence all the debate. I also don't compare with the earlier versions - T'log stands as its own work with a great song cycle. As to Shorter I think the problem is that he is mixed at the same volume as joni, this was a creative choice i don't understand but i think joni may have been trying to move the music away from strictly "classical". Meanwhile i love Blade's work - really fine. He and the other percussionist hit a home run on Hejira. >> Me 3!!! Listening to T'log tonight as background music with friends (the way most people seem to listen to music) I contemplated the huge risk Joni (& Nonesuch) took on making such a low key high production! 2/3rds of the way through, played softly with the 3 of us yapping, Betty commented: "It's so nice to be able to hear ever word she sings." My 70's rock-n-roll snob friend Bill agreed, simply calling T'log "beautiful." I was stunned, assuming that they weren't listening. Betty & Bill gave it 2 thumbs up, having only heard a few of Joni's songs before. Shorter & Blade certainly SHINE (esp on the Hejira stuff)!!! & I think Mendosa did a FANTASTIC job on all of the songs (esp Slouching ~ turn it up real loud at "raging & raging" to relish the Joniesque subtlety). Most people have had major problems grasping Joni's *differentness* ever since her first album & particularly after Hejira. Even big fans have expected her to release another Court & Spark for almost 30 years now. It's like asking Van Gogh to paint another Starry Night..... Am I the only Joni fan who thinks she has gotten progressively better on every album that she has released??? I'm not kidding or just saying this out of kindness. I can confidently say that Travelogue is my favorite Joni album yet, being a huge fan since 1973. I think T'log is a combination of several things ~ 9-11, Joni's resistance to a final tribute album, a box set & a strong desire to catalogue her strange tunings with one of the greatest orchestras in history. ET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:02:50 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 13 On December 13 the following item was published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Hangs It Up" - Rolling Stone (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=142 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:25:41 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Usama & the big boobed blonde Someone recently questioned my interpretation of the woman scowling at W Bush, depicted in the T'log paintings, as a "bad witch." While this is the first impression Joni seems to be trying to convey, I now see it from an entirely different perspective. Tonight I saw it as yet another self portrait, depicting the way Joni feels about W Bush embroiling the world in Armageddon politics. In this case she is definitely Glinda. This would make W the Wizard of Oz. The JMDL really needs a Joni Paintings Discussion List (JPDL) now that our SIQUOMB is returning to her first love & might even prove to be a better painter than she unquestionably is a musician. Why is this thought so troubling to Joni fans??? ET ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #391 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)