From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #389 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 11 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 389 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: t'log ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: We love our lovin' [Michael Paz ] Re: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avert your eyes ;-) [Michael Paz ] Today in History: December 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Chorus ["Mark Connely" ] Rooting out evil ["Mark Connely" ] Re: Wishing that Shorter's tenure with Joni was shorter [Eric Taylor Subject: Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" Poo, Catherine. >>>>> I don't care for Ludwig at all. If it's supposed to sound Beethovenish, I don't think it does. I think there's something missing (maybe salt?) >>>>>>> It sounds like Aaron Copland's "Rodeo" to me. It's a stirring, no, rousing take about a guy who's lost his ability to take but not his ability to give. What a weird thing to write an "up" number about! I love it. No need to add salt. If you're not gonna eat it, may I have yours? Lama Isn't this internet thing great? We can have a spirited discussion, over a period of weeks, with knowlegable people about an obscure topic and no one gets hurt! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Blue: The Musical (long) Hey Anne - Catherine! How brilliant an idea Anne. And Catherine if Anne uses your suggestion, I would see about royalties. Unless ... Anne, were you being facitious in the first place with the "(need a last name?)" Loving this idea Anne - thanks for sharing! Peace, Susan NP: Joni/LOTC/Conversation > --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > > Blue: The Musical > > with songs by Joni Mitchell > > > > Characters: > > Penance Crane - a young woman who works as a > > deckhand > > on a fishing boat > > Billy Blue - a pirate > > Dawn (need a last name?) - a dancer > > > Anne, I love it. Dawn's last name? Why, Treader, of course! > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > ____________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:29:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: t'log YES! that is what it reminds me of so much! (was the fantasia music by stravinksy?) such sweet memories of that film...by today's standards it probably seems lightweight but back then...wow! kakki >>That is part of the catch/hook for me, too. I hear bits in T'log that remind me stylistically of the music in my favorite movie Fantasia - << ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:47:53 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: We love our lovin' WoW! You were at this years JoniFest too huh??? Paz on 12/10/02 12:57 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama) at jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Many hot love affairs burn out and go cold. As a matter of fact, > > > I've seen some hot, hot blazes reduced to simply smoke and ash. > > > Adam wondered, >>>>>>>> > The way she sings "And I've seen some hard, hard places come down to - smoke > and ash" is truly gorgeous (that "smoke and ash" particularly... why is > that? Enunciation? Phrasing? Because I've a few beers inside me?) >>>>>>>>> > > > Yeah, she can chew up those angry words and spit 'em out too! > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:54:56 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avert your eyes ;-) Boy you must really question Miles, esp. in his later years. Paz ;-) on 12/10/02 7:32 AM, Steve Polifka at polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us wrote: > I wasn't going to go there, but I feel the same way about Wayne Shorter's > playing. > > Okay, we know he can play... but what is he playing? Can this guy play > ANYTHING > remotely melodic or beautiful or even intriguing, stimulating,(on Joni's > CDs)instead of this smattering of notes- like the swipe of a paintbrush at > a canvas from 50 feet away?(lol) > > I don't understand. Please explain. > > Steve > > p.s. However, she's gotten better about singing her consonants... > ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:02:32 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avert your eyes ;-) In a message dated 12/10/02 11:08:26 PM, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: >Did I ever tell you that several times when you were uns*bbed (or lurking?), >I used your line (with attribution) > >" makes music very well, indeed. As well as human being >are capable of making it." > >I think you used it in reference to Louis Armstrong. I have never uns*bbed; lurking maybe but more likely just unable to keep up with the voluminous digests. So I dip in and out of the stream from time to time. But please feel free to quote me anytime. >I agree about Joni's current, wabi-like voice acting as the anti-curlique. >Gees, I was hopin' you weigh in with some comments on TRAVELOGUE. I need to digest some more, and I need time to formulate my thoughts into some semblance of coherence. I will say this: there is much about it I like, but I do understand why some folks don't. I'm even a little ambivalent; although I basically like it, I could argue either case with conviction. I'll tell you what, it sure doesn't leave me indifferent, there's a lot to chew on. And the bottom line is: the original versions haven't disappeared ... this is something else, so I'm not concerned with issues of surpassing or improving. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:43:29 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: TO EACH HIS OWN mtotzke@gosympatico.ca wrote: << I think you have to be careful , though, in how you phrase your criticism. Some of us really love the arrangements (count me in) and love Joni's passionate (if not always perfect) performances of these songs. So when you write, in reference to the new HEJIRA, "desecrated by the arrangements and rendered pitiful by the weakness of the singing," you're asking for trouble >> I AM COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY BY ALL OF THEM!!! Even the ones I didn't like at all at first (for the roses, circle game & woodstock) I now love. Let's just remember that all original versions of these songs will always be available and to not expect Joni to sound like she did when she was 20 something. Perhaps the reason I always love new Joni material & versions SO much is because the thing I like most about Joni is singing along in 2 & 3 & 4 part harmony. I've shared several times with the JMDL that, as a singer, I finally learned to harmonize by learning to sing Jericho, listening to DJRD (particularly Paprika Plains) 100 times in one week back in 1980. Playing an out of tune piano on PP Joni discovered: "All notes resolve back to middle C" (responding to a comment by Mingus in an interview). I swear that THIS is the key to harmony on many levels..... Attempting to harmonize with T'log is a real challenge! I probably know 90% of Joni's songs by heart and am just beginning to be able to sing harmonies to these latest 22 versions two weeks later. This adds SO much dimension to these OLD songs. ;~D I adore the slower pace, new words & fresh phrasing. (2 Blue Moons & Tombstones are definite improvements.) & the London Symphony Orchestra sounds even better than it did on the Moody Blues Days Of Future Passed! Some Joni purists might wish it was still 1970 something but I firmly believe that it's people who can still appreciate Joni's artistic explorations are her true lovers. BTW, "agree to disagree" is one of my fave gospel quotes, along with "physician heal thyself." ET NP: Winter Lady, Joni, Fret Sets (bootleg) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:01:12 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 11 1996: The National Academy of Songwriters awards Joni a Lifetime Achievement Award and BMI awards the following: One Million Performance Certificate for "Big Yellow Taxi"; One Million Performance Certificate for "Woodstock"; Two Million Performance Certificate for "Help Me"; Four Million Performance Certificate for "Both Sides Now" More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=317 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:01:13 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 11 On December 11 the following items were published: 1976: "Mitchell Misses Her Own Mark" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=155 1995: "Birthday Suite" - New Yorker (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=18 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:14:19 -0800 From: "Mark Connely" Subject: Chorus The chorus in Job's Sad Song work very well, I think. Even better than Joni's (beautiful!) chorus in the original. The antagonists are almost props in Job. They show the scorn that is heaped on him by men; but it is significant that Job does not beseech his antagonists, but rather implores of God ( the tireless watcher) the reasons for his suffering. Job sticks by God, even when man despises him and when God has ruined him. The antagonists are "insult upon injury" for Job, but they are window dressing, and should not be seen as full-fledged characters in the drama. It's like the Greek chorus, they represent more than act. (The book of Job is one of the most human and moving pieces of literature I have ever read; high praise coming from this atheist!) mc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:31:36 -0800 From: "Mark Connely" Subject: Rooting out evil This isn't spam cuz it's from Saskatoon, right? ******************************************************** A coalition of Canadian peace groups today announced their intention to send an international team of volunteer weapons inspectors into the United States later this winter. The coalition, Rooting Out Evil, are recruiting inspectors through their newly launched website, http://www.rootingoutevil.org/ "Our action has been inspired by none other than George W. Bush," said Christy Ferguson, a spokesperson for the group. "The Bush administration has repeatedly declared that the most dangerous rogue nations are those that: 1) have massive stockpiles of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons; 2) ignore due process at the United Nations; 3) refuse to sign and honor international treaties; and 4) have come to power through illegitimate means. "On the basis of President Bush's guidelines, it is clear that the current U.S. administration poses a great threat to global security," said Ferguson. "We're following Bush's lead and demanding that the U.S. grant our inspectors immediate and unfettered access to any site in the country - including all presidential compounds - so that we can identify the weapons of mass destruction in this rogue state," added David Langille. Visitors to Rooting Out Evil's website are invited to sign on as honorary members of the weapons inspection team. Honorary inspectors can participate in the action, or they can simply lend the support of their name as they would on a petition. The actual inspection team that crosses the border will be comprised of prominent individuals from Canada and other countries. The Rooting Out Evil coalition includes Greenpeace Canada, the Centre for Social Justice, and the Toronto Committee Against War and Sanctions on Iraq, and is supported by American groups such as the National Network to End the War Against Iraq, Global Exchange and the US section of the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom. They oppose the development, storage, and use of weapons of mass destruction by any state. For information: David Langille or Christy Ferguson, info@rootingoutevil.org, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Phone (306) 664-6071 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:42:39 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Wishing that Shorter's tenure with Joni was shorter Bob wrote: << Obviously Wayne is one of the all-time greats, I think he's just limited by what Joni wants from him, and by the same token, she believes anything he does as genius so betwixt the two of them they're trapped in a "Catch-22"! :~) >> I strongly suspect that you only wish that everything sounded just like it did back in the 70s heyday, when Weather Report RULED & Joni was still SIQUOMB. I must admit that there are a few times I think Wayne held back, not wanting to overpower Joni's voice. Yet wasn't this the major complaint about BSN, that the orchestra overpowered Joni's voice? & I LOVE the "Catch 22" pun! (22 cuts on T'log). I just hope that Joni releases Coyote as the B Side of Slouching Toward Bethlehem. But I have ALWAYS LOVED Wayne's recordings with Joni ~ esp Turbulent Indigo (the song & the album). On T'log Wayne SHINES!!! So does Brian Blade!!! & I must give overwhelming credit to Larry Klein!!!!! As a post-70s Joni fan I attribute many of my fave Joni tunes to major contributions by Shorter & Klein & Blade. I praise these guys for helping make our beloved SIQUOMB even more lovely! In AWE of T'log~~~~~~~~*#-%;~&> ET ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #389 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)