From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #386 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, December 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 386 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- ebay ["Kate Bennett" ] false alarms ["Kate Bennett" ] False alarms [Steve Dulson ] Re:Peter Gabriel - Joni content [Patti Witten ] Re: Does anyone love the CLC books? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Of All Time [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Of All Time ["hell" ] Re: False alarms ["hell" ] Fave/least lave [John Sprackland ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #557/joni's lithograph [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: Fave/least lave ["hell" ] Re: Fave/least lave ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Fave/least lave [Catherine McKay ] Re: False alarms [Little Bird ] Re: Fave/least lave ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: False alarms [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #548 [Kardinel@aol.com] Joni's pronunciation of Hejira [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira ["RSM" ] Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avert your eyes ;-) [Az] Re: flase alarms ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: false alarms [colin ] Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Does anyone love the CLC books? [Deb Messling ] Re: Fave/least lave [Deb Messling ] Re: False alarms ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Refuge of the Roads ["PAUL PETERSON" ] false alarms ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: ebay ["kakki" ] Odd Joni news [Little Bird ] No longer want to be on mailing list ["Hattie" ] Re: False alarms [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: false alarms ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: false alarms ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira [frasere@intergate.ca] Today in History: December 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:00:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: ebay when something is purchased from a nonprofit, the value of the item is not tax deductible but the amount above that value usually is... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:00:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: false alarms >>The whole thing seems to be very stream-of-consciousness type of writing and yet its construction is so tight that it couldn't be.<< that is the way i see it too...the tight construction may be due to a bit of fine tuning on joni's part but some special songs do just come out perfectly formed...amelia has that feeling about it ... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:23:47 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: False alarms Nuriel wrote: >i think that the false alarm moto refers to the 6 plains she saw. >the plains >were probably called on a mission a drill maybe an atack >that turned out to be >a false alarm. makes sense, eh? If you've ever driven across "the burning desert" from LA to say Albuquerque you can see six, or a dozen, commercial jetliners at any one time flying from LA to the east coast, leaving vapor trails. As for false alarms...I always think of the radio messages from Amelia, and the sightings of her and her plane over the years... they all turned out to be false alarms... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:34:06 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re:Peter Gabriel - Joni content > Rachel Z. The program notes say that she has an > album out called "Moon at the Window Google turned this up: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/reviews/r1102_147.htm Moon at the Window Rachel Z Trio - Tone Center Rachel Z's tribute to Joni Mitchell has perhaps arrived at just the right time, hot on the heels of Mitchell's decision to never record again. No doubt her die-hard fans will be clamoring for as much original and tribute material as possible, and a good many will find joy in this comfortable instrumental release. It's impossible not to like the buoyant, loving arrangements that Rachel Z has collected here. However, for as many popular tunes as Joni Mitchell has created over the past three decades, this homage clarifies the fact that she a stronger lyricist than a composer. The jaunty theme of "Big Yellow Taxi" jumps right out, but like many of the selections here, the melody becomes a bit repetitive without the witty, socially conscious lyrics to fill things out. The three musicians perform exquisitely as a unit, often with a sense of David Benoit's lighter piano works. There are a number of charming twists and turns in the charts. Of particular note are Patricia Des Lauriers' resonant double-stops on the closing "Lakota", and Bobbie Rae's subtly effective rhyhmic matrices throughout the disc. The lush piano ripplings on "Chinese Cafe" and taut interaction on "Free Man in Paris" are attention-grabbers, and "From Both Sides Now" receives what is perhaps its most introspective interpretation yet. This music is obviously close to Rachel Z's heart. The only real beef remains a major one: Joni Mitchell's musical universe is so centered upon her words that it's hard for anyone to do her justice in an instrumental setting. No harm, no foul, then. The trio has made an admirable attempt at honoring a legend, resulting in a truly uplifting album. ~ Todd S. Jenkins Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com New CD "Sycamore Tryst" http://sycamoretryst.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:01:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Does anyone love the CLC books? --- Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > In many libraries they have in the referance > section,the "clc" books > series-contemporary literary critisism.there are > about 55 or so volumes in > this series I think.personally,i find the books very > interesting.each book > contains a collection of reviews of > novelists,poets,songwriters,playwrights > and non fiction writers...Joni is reviewd in volume > 12. I've never seen these. Is the Joni section very long? I wonder if it's in the articles database? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:32:53 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: False alarms I too have revisited this song, in part, because of its use of travelogue. I love the song, but never really understood the false alarm line either. Just recently, however, I have had some half-baked thoughts. I think the song is about choosing aspirations -- art/career/travel -- over love/family/a more mundane life which might be more meaningful. This is a theme that runs throughout Hejira (esp. Song for Sharon) and her other albums. Some pedestrian logic: Flight = aspirations of success or career. An alarm during flight would be sign that there would be a crash -- find a different path or life. A false alarm would be that she thinks she might have found a new life/love but it proved wrong -- she really didn't fall out of her career path. She chooses Amelia Earhart as an archtype of this choice of fame over family. My impressions of her was that she was a highly driven and independent woman who choose career/fame over all things and ended with just that -- fame. JM is, I think, comparing her life choices to Amelia's. When she assures Amelia its was just a false alarm, she is saying that nothing has really changed -- she is still on the same Earhart path. She may not be happy about it -- it just is what it is. She speaks of getting seduced by the roaring engines (by a career), you end up with your travelogue of snippets of memories (picture post card charms) but nothing of substance (no family, long term love). JM's use of Travelogue for her latest offering is boldly ironic -- she is offering those fruits of her journey. JM also compares herself to Icarus who aspired to the sun -- too high, too foolish, too proud (hubris in an earlier post) just as Joni aspired to her career. Looking back on it, she may be questioning some of her choices. Where they foolish, the product of youthful exhuberance. [Spell check!!] The key to me is the following: Maybe I've never really loved I guess that is the truth I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitude And looking down on everything I crashed into his arms Amelia it was just a false alarm She questions whether she has really loved (rather than having been loved). Comparing her circumstance to flying in icy altitudes and observing rather than crashing/committing. She crashes for a guy, but it fails -- he orders her away. She ends up back on the road in the last stanza. Man, is this a depressing song now that I think about it. In any event, I don't know if this is what she really meant to convey, but works for me at least. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:46:12 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Of All Time - --- KLCass21@aol.com wrote: > >>> Favorite live performance? > 3 way tie: In France They Kiss and Amelia (both from S&L) and Cactus Tree > (MOA) I love Cactus Tree here as well, but I thought I would throw out two performances I remember as my favorite Joni moments, "first hand" ... January 1972 - This Flight Tonight - That moment I heard her sing out live for the very first time, strumming that big 12 string she used to carry around - stop I'm getting teary - mostly cause I was soooo young then! - about 5 I think :-P Opening song again - Ravinia 1974 MOA tour, my own lost tape of Joni doing "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio." Really loved her improvising and "yodeling" as some of you refer to it even more so than on MOA the finished product! Funny these two are great songs, no doubt - although not my favorites as Joni songs, well I really do love TFT. Great memories nonetheless. Peace, Susan Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:02:18 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Of All Time Hmmmm.... tough question! My favourite is harder to pick than my least favourite, but I'm going to have to go with The Hissing Of Summer Lawns, or For The Roses, no wait...... Hejira. OK, finally choice..... Song For Sharon. With the others I've mentioned a VERY close second! I've just realised that three out of those four are title tracks.... interesting! Least favourite would be Tin Angel, or possibly Taming The Tiger (another title track!) - although Tiger Bones is up there with my favourites - if only she hadn't added that stupid "Nice kitty, kitty" line! Favourite live performance is Black Crow from S&L, followed closely by Love Or Money (MOA) Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:06:05 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: False alarms All this talk about Amelia and Icarus has got me wondering how many contemporary artists have written about or referred to Greek (or Roman) mythology in a song? Amelia is the first obvious choice, and I can think of one other: Stephen Stills wrote a song called "Myth Of Sisyphus" on his 1975 album "Stills". Any others out there? Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:31:33 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Fave/least lave Favourite thing about this discussion list: When someone points you back in the direction of a great recording that you had previously overlooked (recent example, Cactus Tree on MoA - thanks!) Least favourite thing: When someone posts a 'me too' reply, followed by a two page quote of the original message! Seriously though folks, just joined the list a week ago and loving it. To give my twopenn'orth on recent themes.... Travelogue: Just fascinating! I haven't even got round to thinking whether its good yet. Hope she doesn't bring out another album too soon - - going to take be a couple of years of listening 'cos I put on Otis and Marlena then get DJRD out to listen to the original, end up listening to whole album, etc. etc. (Hope she DOES bring out another album though!) Wish List: Yeah, I agree with Moon at the Window, and, sorry to whoever said it was their least fave but, Three Great Stimulants, which I think is a great song. Fave song performance: I guess everyone's trying to avoid the obvious or surely someone else would have said 'A Case of You' (original version over the BSN version, but only just). For the less obvious, the song that I seem to love more than most (going by the poll list) is 'The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay' - have to play it whenever I feel ' the stab and glare and buckshot of the heavy, heavy snow'. And the wolves thrill me (so much better that 'Kitty,Kitty'!) Least Faves: One of those 80's songs that I'd forgotten about until people here reminded me (e.g. Dancing Clown...). I think 'You're so Square' is TOTALLY square for the same reason someone said that 'Twisted' was ie not Joni (though I disagee - I love Twisted but I love Lambert, Hendricks and Ross) Whoa! Getting too long - I'll save the rest. But just one question that I've waited a long time to get answered... just how DO you pronounce Hejira? Phonetic spellings please! John - -- John Sprackland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:37:57 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #557/joni's lithograph Roland at People for American Way has informed me that 100% of the proceeds of the auction from the sale of the lithograph (ebay item# 928798681) will go th their organization/charity. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:41:58 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Fave/least lave > Whoa! Getting too long - I'll save the rest. But just one question that > I've waited a long time to get answered... just how DO you pronounce > Hejira? Phonetic spellings please! Well, I'm from NZ so my accent might not be the same as those from the US ;o), but "I" pronounce it (following Joni) as Heh-GEE-ra (with a soft "g", as in genius). I think..... Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:50:51 -0500 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Fave/least lave I think thats how Joni says, it too. I have always tended to say it the other way (heh-geye-raa), but I'm originally from Oklahoma, so that may explain that. Reuben Hell wrote: Well, I'm from NZ so my accent might not be the same as those from the US ;o), but "I" pronounce it (following Joni) as Heh-GEE-ra (with a soft "g", as in genius). I think..... Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:48:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fave/least lave --- John Sprackland wrote: > Favourite thing about this discussion list: > When someone points you back in the direction of a > great recording that > you had previously overlooked (recent example, > Cactus Tree on MoA - > thanks!) > > Least favourite thing: > When someone posts a 'me too' reply, followed by a > two page quote of the > original message! Well, I WAS going to say "Me too", but on second thought... good point though, your first one. That's one of the things I love about this list - being reminded of wonderful things that might have been on the back burner. I feel renewed. I usually don't go for the "what's your favourite Joni song? album? desert island pick?" thing because I could never pick just one; besides, it's unlikely there'd be a decent stereo on the island in any case, and it would be ultimately too frustrating. > just one question that > I've waited a long time to get answered... just how > DO you pronounce > Hejira? Phonetic spellings please! Hey, Jeera! Welcome to the list. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:58:51 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: False alarms Annie Lennox has an album called "Medusa" - does that count? hell wrote:All this talk about Amelia and Icarus has got me wondering how many contemporary artists have written about or referred to Greek (or Roman) mythology in a song? Amelia is the first obvious choice, and I can think of one other: Stephen Stills wrote a song called "Myth Of Sisyphus" on his 1975 album "Stills". Any others out there? Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:52:49 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Fave/least lave <> according to webster's, two proper pronunciations - first, huh - 'ji - ruh the e pronounced like the i in 'hit,' the i pronounced like the i in 'ice' and the a pronounced like the a in 'abut,' and with the accent on the second syllable second, 'hej - uh - ruh the e pronounced like e in 'bet,' the i and the a like the a in 'abut,' with the accent on the first syllable. but yeah, i'm pretty sure that joni pronounces it like hell does. and accent aside, i do, too. and by the way, welcome to you, john. we're glad you're here. post often. we're always glad to have new insights and new opinions. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:13:34 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: False alarms In a message dated 12/9/2002 3:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, rstm@ayso-l.org writes: > I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitude > And looking down on everything > I crashed into his arms > Amelia it was just a false alarm > > She questions whether she has really loved (rather than having been loved). > Comparing her circumstance to flying in icy altitudes and observing rather > than crashing/committing. I've thought that she was making reference to the album "Clouds" and to the naive outlook from Both Sides Now--"I've looked at clouds that way." It's as if she's looking back on her cloud ruminations and realized that her old theories about the subject aren't nearly as important as the fact that she remained distanced throughout all of it. She was trying to figure out the nature of love in Both Sides Now with the metaphors of clouds, and in Amelia she's realized that what she thought she knew was not really truth, but false alarms. Her reference in the next verse to Cactus Tree seals the deal on how the tables have turned. It is simply brilliant songwriting and becomes even richer when you're in on her self-reference. Has anyone else heard the background voicing she does as she sings "His sad request of me to kindly stay away..." I love the way she's kind of humming and making a little kid airplane sound at the last little bit of the line. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:14:09 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #548 She was in her prime in Hejira, The statute should reflect that. A more mature woman rather than a girlish one. Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:29:18 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira If I'm not mistaken, Joni pronounces Hejira on PWWAM, in case you want to know for sure how she says it. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:42:02 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira I am not sure if I want to know how it is suppose to sound, I know how it sounds in my head and I like it that way. Reminds me of when I was in middle school and my friends and I debated how to pronounce the last syllable in "Gandalf" from the Rings Trilogy. I heard it with the L pronounce; one of my friends pronounced it like half or calf, without the L. The movie proved me correct, 34 years later. With Hejira, I hear Heh+J[eye]+rah -- the i is long like the word "eye." At least one on-line dictionary agrees with me: see http://www.bartleby.com/61/84/H0128400.html and click on the speaker next to the word pronunciation to hear it pronounced by Lurch from the only Adams family show. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira > If I'm not mistaken, Joni pronounces Hejira on PWWAM, in case you want to know for sure how she says it. > > Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:02:31 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avert your eyes ;-) Well, I've slaved through the whole damn thing, and my overriding response is a wish that Mr Mendoza had been shown the red card before the project got the green light. As I've heard more and listened at higher volume, the arrangements have seemed, increasingly, to be meretricious in the extreme, flattering to deceive. Sadly, my experience of his labours with BSN was that I liked them LESS every time I heard them! My gut feeling is that Travelogue will not reverse this process. As TLTISW ground to a halt, I thought to myself that Joni's piano and vocal version of this song on Blue was infinitely more eloquent than this elephantine plod. Someone (one of the other Doubting Thomases) also flagged Wayne Shorter's contributions as a major irritant, and I have to agree wholeheartedly: to these ears they add nothing whatsoever. And I admit it, I couldn't bring myself to listen to this version of Hejira to the end. The greatest song on the greatest album of all time, desecrated by the arrangement and rendered pitiful by the weakness of the singing. Obviously, some of you will be thinking "jeez, has he been listening to the same record I've heard?" just as I've read some of the glowing reviews thinking exactly the same thing. Vive la difference. Joni's still the greatest; this album, for this listener, is a disaster. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:19:24 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: flase alarms For me the title works because at the conclusion of a listen I feel as if I have taken a very personal journey over landscapes of the mind, body, heart, and soul. I am left pensive and reflective. Its a good thing. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:27:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: false alarms >maybe joni means every time you fall in love you think it's the real thing >but it's just a matter of time before your wax wings melt and you land on >our ass. if that's what she meant, i agree with mitchell. > was she being that cyncical? not all love fails. If , and only if, one can take any credence in what has been written about Joni or what she hereself has said, I imagine relationships with her would be veyr difficult. she appears demanding and controlling and not very tolerant. I wonder if even Joni falls in love with her idea of someone instead of the reality of someone? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:32:32 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira I've always pronounced it "heh-zheer-ah" with the accent on the second syllable. And that's the way I'm going to continue to pronounce it, regardless. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:57:06 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation Hell wrote: <> I'd have to go along with Hell on this one (and she does have a great NZ accent). There are other correct ways to pronounce Hejira, but this is the way I think Joni says it. I'm just glad my Mom doesn't try to pronounce it. I don't know if it's a southern thing, but she'd pronounce it Heh GEE Rer, like when she says Hawaiier and a million other things she puts a "R" at the end :) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:52:13 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Song for Sharon and False Alarms Return-Path: Received: from aol.com (mow-m30.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v90.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-1209195030; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:50:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:50:30 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com To: colin@tantra-apso.com (colin) Subject: Song for Sharon and False Alarms MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1D6B3EBD.0B0AEE63.0004E5E0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/9/2002 6:27:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > I wonder if even Joni falls in love with her idea of > someone instead of > the reality of someone? Hmmm... Sounds familiar.... And when I went skating after Golden Reggie, you know it was white lace I was chasing. Chasing Dreams... and later in that same song: But the ceremony of the bells and lace Still veils this reckless fool here. I could talk for days about SFS, but I think it definitely supports Colin's question. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:02:46 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation I always thought it was HEY! JURA! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of FMYFL@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:57 PM To: hell@ihug.co.nz; john@sprackland.demon.co.uk; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation Hell wrote: <> I'd have to go along with Hell on this one (and she does have a great NZ accent). There are other correct ways to pronounce Hejira, but this is the way I think Joni says it. I'm just glad my Mom doesn't try to pronounce it. I don't know if it's a southern thing, but she'd pronounce it Heh GEE Rer, like when she says Hawaiier and a million other things she puts a "R" at the end :) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:02:17 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Does anyone love the CLC books? Hey, thanks for pointing this out! I work in a library and I'll look in volume 12 tomorrow. Never occurred to me to search for Joni in those books. At 01:19 PM 12/9/02 -0500, you wrote: > In many libraries they have in the referance section,the "clc" books >series-contemporary literary critisism. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:07:41 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Fave/least lave Dare I say "me too?" A lot of people detest TWTLIL, but I find the melody compelling, the guitar eerie and intriguing, and Joni's singing right on target. I don't quite understand how it fit with the Mingus album, but as a song, I love it. At 09:31 PM 12/9/02 +0000, you wrote: >For the less obvious, the song >that I seem to love more than most (going by the poll list) is 'The Wolf >That Lives in Lindsay' - have to play it whenever I feel ' the stab and >glare and buckshot of the heavy, heavy snow'. And the wolves thrill me >(so much better that 'Kitty,Kitty'!) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:11:23 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: False alarms > All this talk about Amelia and Icarus has got me wondering how many > contemporary artists have written about or referred to Greek (or Roman) > mythology in a song? And Venus was her name She's got it, Yeah baby she's got it I'm your Venus, I'm your fire At your desire... Cupid pull back your bow And let your arrow flow.. Patty Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:31:31 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Refuge of the Roads I agree. Refuge has it all: Beautiful melody, great arrangement, great poetry, and the quintessential Joni-states, loneliness, longing for love, introspection, and hope. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:45:04 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: false alarms I always associated this refrain with what I always felt was the key confessional element of the song: "Maybe I've never really loved, I guess that is the truth". The false alarm of every sexual relationship that felt like love but wasn't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:48:59 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: ebay Kate wrote: > when something is purchased from a nonprofit, the value of the item is not > tax deductible but the amount above that value usually is... I didn't know this and have always just taken the entire amount for a tax deduction in cases of charity auctions, etc. How does one ascertain the value of this Joni litho? Joni gave it away for free, I assume, and I wonder if then she can take some tax deduction for her own donation. Is that the reasoning behind the tax code in this case - because Joni is already taking a deduction for part of it (a value I suppose she would determine absent a formal appraisal) the buyer can only take a deduction for the balance over and above what Joni takes? Kakki, wishing Joni would donate an original painting somewhere! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:26:03 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Odd Joni news There are two illustrations of Joni in a new book out by Rolling Stone called "The Illustrated Portraits," though neither is particularly striking or even that good. Chuck's recently posted drawing puts these ones to shame. There are five portraits of Bob Dylan, by the way. Also, Meryl Streep quotes Joni in the latest issue of Good Housekeeping: "Joni Mitchell once said that happiness is the best face-lift, and I believe that." I've always felt that Meryl is Hollywood's equivalent of Joni Mitchell - prolific, wise, elegant, award-winning, brilliant. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:13:41 -0500 From: "Hattie" Subject: No longer want to be on mailing list I would like to be deleated from the joni@smoe. org my email is hattie17@bellsouth.net. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:38:50 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: False alarms Heavenly Hell asks: << All this talk about Amelia and Icarus has got me wondering how many contemporary artists have written about or referred to Greek (or Roman) mythology in a song? >> Well, Hell, just off the top of my head I can think of quite a few Greek references in Joni's songs: Hera and the Kingpin Let the Wind Carry Hermes The Last Time I Saw Pegasus The Crazy Cries of Prometheus Taming the Mortals Heracles Louise The Silky Veils of Artemis Don't Interupt the Cyclops The Hissing of Medusa's Hair Shades of Hades Conquering Telemachus's Dad's Battle Axe That Song about the Minotaur Zeus Must Be a Boogie Man Goodbye Winged Hat Little Greek Hope this helps! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:07:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: false alarms i wonder if that is my case too and whether that's why i'd agree with joni... wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Lunes, 09 de Diciembre de 2002 08:28 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: false alarms she appears demanding and controlling and not very tolerant. I wonder if even Joni falls in love with her idea of someone instead of the reality of someone? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:08:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira there are two *official* ways to pronounce *hejira*, a word that after all has existed for centuries and that joni hasn't invented, much though i love the album. one way (and ROUGHLY, since i can't type IPA symbols here): /hedge-EYE-ruh/ the other way: /HEDGE-uh-ruh/. joni pronounces it /hezh-EE-ruh/, *zh* representing the *s* sound in *pleasure*. incidentally, how many of you pronounce *clandestine* the way joni does in ''don't interrupt the sorrow''? is it the canadian way? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:28:49 EST From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: Urge for Going (Joni) Hello, All - Thanks to Ashara for the update on the Club Passim Joni Mitchell Night - interestingly enough, four of the participants are Top Twenty songwriter competition finalists at our upcoming South Florida Folk Festival (http://www.southfloridafolkfest.com), held January 18 and 19 in Ft. Lauderdale! Also, I sent the post on to a friend of mine who manages Rachael Davis, an up-and-coming young folkie based in Boston... and it now appears she'll be added to the line-up as well - I certainly wish I could be in attendance, but whoever does go, please give Rachael (as well as Anne, Stephanie, Carl and Chris and Meredith) my love... :-) > Monday, January 6th, 2003 - 8PM > Joni Mitchell Tribute Show > Club Passim > 47 Palmer Street > Cambridge, MA > For tickets call 617-492-7679. > > Here is an incomplete list of what songs are being done by the perspective > artist...ALSO it looks as though Diane Zeigler will be coming on > board....yay! > > >Carl Cacho - Help Me > >Rob Siegel - Both Sides Now > >Ari - Blue > >Flora Reed - River > >Joel Ninesling - Little Green > >Deb Talan - Amelia > >Steph Corby - People's Parties > >Oen Kennedy - Black Crow > >Marc Herman - Borderline > >David Goldfinger - Urge For Going > >Hanneke Cassel - Morning Morgantown > >Susan Levine - > >Bridget Matros - Cactus Tree > >Dave Dersham - Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire > >Chris O'Brien - > >Michael Troy - > >Rob Laurens - Slouching Toward Bethlehem > >Meg Hutchinson - > >Anne Heaton - For Free > >Stephen Kellogg - Raised on Robbery > >Gregpry Douglass - Court And Spark > >Tim Gearan - > >Christopher Williams - A Case Of You > >Mark Erelli - Carey > >Chris &Meredith Thompson - Big Yellow Taxi > >Merrie Amsterberg - Woodstock The *Other* Susan... :-) http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "It's coming on Christmas They're cutting down trees They're putting up reindeer And singing songs of joy and peace Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on But it don't snow here It stays pretty green..." ~ Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:33:51 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: "Photographic Memory" Has anyone seen this book? - ---------------- ''Photographic Memory'' William Claxton, introduction by Graydon Carter (powerHouse, $65) Claxton is most famous for his pictures of early jazz giants. Just check out the shot of Chet Baker, looking sweet and sculpted in a fitted white sweater. (''He looked like an angelic boxer,'' remembers Claxton, ''a tough guy with a pretty face topped with a slick '50s pompadour.'') But the jazz lover also captured the vulnerability of a young Mia Farrow, the silliness of Terry Southern, the smugness of Joni Mitchell, and many more famous faces. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:02:27 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira > incidentally, how many of you pronounce *clandestine* the way joni does in > ''don't interrupt the sorrow''? is it the canadian way? > > wallyK > Sweetie, I think it's just the way that rhymes with 'wine'. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:07:17 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: False alarms Nuriel wrote, and Steve Dulson responded: >i think that the false alarm moto refers to the 6 plains she saw. >the plains >were probably called on a mission a drill maybe an atack >that turned out to be >a false alarm. makes sense, eh? If you've ever driven across "the burning desert" from LA to say Albuquerque you can see six, or a dozen, commercial jetliners at any one time flying from LA to the east coast, leaving vapor trails." Steve: could be, and I would have thought this was the only possibility, if I hadn't taken up some years ago with a guy who lives for all things connected to naval aviation. ;-) As it is, I know that the U.S. Navy's precision flying squad, the Blue Angels, which performs in air shows around the country, completes its early training in late fall of each year at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, FL. But then, around January, the Blue Angels pack up to begin even more serious training in--you got it--the desert, in and around Southern California. There are six Blue Angel planes in the squad. Their "vapor trails," given the intricacy and symmetry of their exercises, are quite memorable. Kinda gives new meaning to Joni's musings at the end of "Woodstock" about the planes of war turning into butterflies, doesn't it? Even though these are F/A 18s, I think, not bombers. Mary. P.S. Another possibility is that Joni saw training by a similar squad that the Air Force mantains--the Thunderbirds? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:19:59 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: false alarms > Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this. I know I'm trying to be a little > too analytical about this. Joni's meanings (in her best songs) are conveyed > implicitly, not obviously. Well at the risk of being overly analytical and of repeating myself, I'm going to weigh in on this one. To me the whole song is about searching for happiness or fulfillment or peace of mind or some sign that will point to one or all of those things. Joni has followed many signs and paths at this point of her life, looking for that meaning or answer but they have all been false alarms. The 6 jet planes - not a mystical sign, just a false alarm. Traveling around from place to place - no answers or happiness, just picture post card charms - another false alarm. Fame and fortune or striving for a great achievement like Icarus or Amelia - not enough, one more false alarm. Falling out of those rarefied clouds down to earth and falling in love - the good part doesn't last, maybe she doesn't even know how to love - another cruel and crushing false alarm. My two cents. Mark E in Seattle Who likes 'nice kitty, kitty' and can't understand why it's such a crime for Joni to throw in a light line or two. Or (Goddess forbid!) write a whole song that's just playful and fun. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:03:08 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira Au Contraire! I believe the "correct" CDN way would be: clan-DES-tin Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Mark or Travis : > > incidentally, how many of you pronounce *clandestine* the way joni does in > > ''don't interrupt the sorrow''? is it the canadian way? > > > > wallyK > > > Sweetie, I think it's just the way that rhymes with 'wine'. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:10:01 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 10 1966: Joni performs tonight at the Folk Cellar III in Port Huron, Michigan. More info: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1502641&a=11682876&p=41512516&Sequence=0&res=high 1990: Joni presented the "#1 World Single" award at the Billboard Awards to Sinead O'Connor for her smash hit version of Prince's "Nothing Compares 2 U." More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/BillboardAwardSinead90.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:10:01 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 10 On December 10 the following items were published: 1994: "Joni Mitchell warms up Euro press with showcase" - Billboard (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=790 1999: "The Lonely Painter" - Woodstock.com (Review - Art Show) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=704 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #386 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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