From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #383 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, December 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 383 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni singing "Unchained Melody" [Eric Taylor ] RE: OF ALL TIME [Eric Taylor ] Re: At first too depressing to listen to [Eric Taylor ] Re At first too depressing to listen to [Eric Taylor ] Re: Joni's morbid little Christmas [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni in "Bartlett's Quotations" ["kerry" ] LUCKY 13 [] WISH LIST [] Sunday Short Cuts ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Joni's morbid little Christmas [Little Bird ] Travelogue wish list [Little Bird ] Re: Sunday Short Cuts [Catherine McKay ] Re: OF ALL TIME... ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's morbid little Christmas [Catherine McKay ] Re: OF ALL TIME... [Little Bird ] Re: joni not being able to play guitar anymore [Catherine McKay ] Re: OF ALL TIME... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: OF ALL TIME... [Little Bird ] re: joni on the hit parade ["joe farrell" ] of all time ["joe farrell" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #550 -- Manilow, River, etc. [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: of all time [Susan Guzzi ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #550 -- Manilow, River, etc. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] [none] ["walterphil" ] RE: Sunday Short Cuts ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: [Little Bird ] Re: Joni's Fantasy Box (Set) [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: joni on the hit parade ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: WISH LIST ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: OF ALL TIME... ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: of all time [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni's Fantasy Box (Set) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] WISH LIST ["kerry" ] RE: of all time ["Chris Marshall" ] Joni is mentioned but not really Joni content ["William Chavez" ] Re: WISH LIST ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: OF ALL TIME... ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: OF ALL TIME... [KJHSF@aol.com] JC but no DAT [Yael Harlap ] RE: joni's statue ["Heather" ] lithograph [Aerchak@aol.com] Joni Mitchell Night at Club Passim, Boston, MA - January 6, 2003 [Ashara] Re: Re: OF ALL TIME... [] eBay Item # 928798681, signed litho? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni singing "Unchained Melody" Debra Shea wrote: << NPIMH: Joni singing "Unchained Melody" in T'log. Her singing there is truly beautiful. >> It's like buttah...... Her voice has never sounded so gorgeous! ET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 03:53:19 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: RE: OF ALL TIME Wally Kairuz wrote: << > What's your favourite Joni Mitchell everything she wrote before the shadows and light album > Least favourite? almost everything she wrote after the shadows and light album >> WOW! But this doesn't really surprise me. Most people my age are stuck in the 70s when it comes to music (and fashion). It's like my dad who couldn't evolve beyond Glen Miller. My fave: Slouching Toward Bethlehem (esp.1998 Day In The Garden) My least fave: The Circle Game. ET NP: Incubus "Science" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 04:30:03 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: At first too depressing to listen to Paul Peterson wrote: << Listened to Travelogue once the day it was released and put it away. Waaaay too depressing to listen to given the emotional state I was in at the time. I mean, think about it, when was the last time you heard this many depressing topics dealt with on a CD? >> Much of T'log is definitely melancholy. But instead of depressing me it actually lifts my spirit to hear such ugliness be transformed into such incredible beauty. Perhaps it's a case of misery loves company. Yet when I'm feeling down few things make me feel better than blasting Fiction! ET NP: Incubus "Should I Apologize?" (Glass) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:10:29 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re At first too depressing to listen to Paul Peterson wrote: << Terrorist attacks airplane crashes a life without love loss of 60's innocence a blood dimmed tide loosed upon the world innocence drowned in anarchy god making everything we dread and fear come true losing all taste for life starvation of the faithful crucifixion of the saints prosperity of the wicked breathtaking ignorance the emptiness of commercial success the shock of knowing you really have no one having no one to give your love to greed lust gas leaks oil spills sex as a mortally dangerous act doctor's pills giving new ills getting buried by an avalanche of bills everyone hates everyone rapists in the pool kids packin guns ulcerated ozone skin cancer the massive mess we're in sex selling everything holding back tears perfection always denied thunderheads of judgement gravestones giving up one's child at her birth uranium mining tearing down landmarks paving over parks ripping off Indian land short sighted businessmen nothing lasts for long rape of a child drinking at home with the TV on dark cafe days sniping steadily snubbing snidely the loss of our dreams' grandeur the great sadness of our human consciousness of time >> Beautiful synopsis Paul! It's the history of "humanity" in a nutshell. A Buddhist would call it all an illusion. A Christian Scientist would call it the Adam Dream. Native Americans say we must dance this dream awake. Undoubtedly we can all awaken from this mortal nightmare if only we would stop giving it power. & it won't take faith & hope as much as it will take love ~ the greatest beauty. Loving your neighbor as yourself. & of course loving yourself. Such oneness is the essence of true spirituality. Is this NJC? It's certainly JC...... Up all night in my studio, ET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:42:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's morbid little Christmas In a message dated 12/08/2002 12:03:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > There's River, there's Chinese Cafe (been done), > there's Face Lift and what else? > > There's "The Gift Of The Magi", a 1966 song that was never released: http://www.jonimitchell.com/GiftOfMagiUnLyrics.html Many of us have some live versions of the song. I think it's quite pretty, and it's very theatrical. The song is written to have a male part, a female part, and a chorus. It ends on a pretty sad note. And returning to your original question...I hope this project is long since forgotten, but since she seems content to make retreads these days, it's more of a possibilty than I once would have thought. But I don't think "Magi" would be there...rather she'd include some songs by others that have a depressing tone. Like maybe "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer"? :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:52:43 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni in "Bartlett's Quotations" Joni was mentioned this morning on "CBS Sunday Morning." They were doing a segment on the book, "Bartlett's Familiar Quotations" and they were mentioning various people included in the book. They showed a clip of her singing, "Big Yellow Taxi" and the two quotes of hers included in the book: "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot," and "We are stardust, we are golden and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden." Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:56:38 -0500 From: Subject: LUCKY 13 PAUL: I like your list of 13 -- it flows nicely. For what it's worth, here's mine. 1. chinese cafe 2. otis & marlena 3. you dream flat tires 4. amelia 5. trouble child 6. sire of sorrow 7. god must be a boogie man 8. be cool 9. refuge of the roads 10. hejira 11. the dawntreader 12. the last time I saw richard 13. love All about LOVE. MICHAEL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:06:35 -0500 From: Subject: WISH LIST "As snow gathers like bolts of lace," outside my window here in Toronto, I've been thinking about songs I wish Joni had included on T'LOG. Anyone else have a "wish list"? Here's mine. 1. Marcie 2. River 3. Let the Wind Carry Me 4. Help Me 5. Car on a Hill 6. Edith & the Kingpin 7. Shades of Scarlett Conquering 8. Sweet Bird 9. Coyote 10. Cotton Avenue 11. Sweet Sucker Dance 12. Moon at the Window 13. Two Grey Rooms 14. Sunny Sunday 15. Love Puts on a New Face ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:07:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Sunday Short Cuts Checking in from running behind the Digests with 2 quick thoughts. 1. The vivid orchestrations on TRAVELOGUE are the aura equivalent of Norma's Issey Miyake gowns. 2. Remember the smooth jazz collaborations with Tom Scott and the L.A. Express in the Court and Spark - Miles Of Aisles era? Just as was never heard that style again, it's possible that the BSN-TRAVLOGUE orchestrations will pass. "Only a phase, this bright, TRAVELOGUE days." nothing changes but the changes. Lama ps, I looked up the spelling of "Issey Miyake". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 08:52:27 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Joni's morbid little Christmas In addition to River and Face Lift (Joni's own compositions) there have been quite a few cranky Christmas songs over the years, actually. Uh oh, there's almost enough for an album! STAR OF THE EAST: "Sorrow and grief and lull'd by the light/Thou hope of each mortal, in death's lonely night/...the dark billows roll/Lead us from sin to glory afar I'LL BE HOME FOR CHRISTMAS: "if only in my dreams." CHRISTMAS WITHOUT YOU: "White Christmas and I'm blue/Like fireworks with no fuse" CHRISTMAS WON'T BE THE SAME THIS YEAR: "...without her loving arms to hold you so near/I see the lights but they're not for me..." IF IT DOESN'T SNOW ON CHRISTMAS: "How is Santa going to use his sleigh?/In case of rain will there be a train/To speed him on his way?" NO CROWDED EASTERN STREET: "No sound of passing feet/Far to the left and far to the right/The prairie snows spread far and white" WHERE ARE YOU CHRISTMAS: "Why can't I find you?/Why have you gone away?/Where is the laughter you used to bring me?/Why can't I hear the music play?" Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:07:54 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Joni's morbid little Christmas How about Silent night all day long - John Prine - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Little Bird" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Joni's morbid little Christmas > In addition to River and Face Lift (Joni's own compositions) there have been quite a few cranky Christmas songs over the years, actually. Uh oh, there's almost enough for an album! > > STAR OF THE EAST: "Sorrow and grief and lull'd by the light/Thou hope of each mortal, in death's lonely night/...the dark billows roll/Lead us from sin to glory afar > > I'LL BE HOME FOR CHRISTMAS: "if only in my dreams." > > CHRISTMAS WITHOUT YOU: "White Christmas and I'm blue/Like fireworks with no fuse" > > CHRISTMAS WON'T BE THE SAME THIS YEAR: "...without her loving arms to hold you so near/I see the lights but they're not for me..." > > IF IT DOESN'T SNOW ON CHRISTMAS: "How is Santa going to use his sleigh?/In case of rain will there be a train/To speed him on his way?" > > NO CROWDED EASTERN STREET: "No sound of passing feet/Far to the left and far to the right/The prairie snows spread far and white" > > WHERE ARE YOU CHRISTMAS: "Why can't I find you?/Why have you gone away?/Where is the laughter you used to bring me?/Why can't I hear the music play?" > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Travelogue wish list I only have a few. LOVE PUTS ON A NEW FACE - I can definitely hear the orchestral intent on this song. CRAZY CRIES OF LOVE - She could have done a really great, big-band version of this. Make it really swingin'! COME IN FROM THE COLD - I would have preferred this to Slouching. DOWN TO YOU - Scrap Just Like This Train and replace it with this. that's all. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:32:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sunday Short Cuts --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" > > 2. Remember the smooth jazz collaborations with Tom > Scott and the L.A. > Express in the Court and Spark - Miles Of Aisles > era? > > Just as was never heard that style again, it's > possible that the > BSN-TRAVLOGUE orchestrations will pass. > > "Only a phase, > this bright, TRAVELOGUE > days." > Even though I enjoy T in its own way, I hope you're right. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:33:58 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... This is SO difficult! > What's your favourite Joni Mitchell > song/performance of all time? Hejira (the original version of the song) > Least favourite? Taming The Tiger (the song. I think. It's that damn "kitty, kitty" thing) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's morbid little Christmas --- chuty001 wrote: > How about Silent night all day long - John Prine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Little Bird" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: Joni's morbid little Christmas > > > > In addition to River and Face Lift (Joni's own > compositions) there have > been quite a few cranky Christmas songs over the > years, actually. Uh oh, > there's almost enough for an album! how about the inimitable "Fairytale of New York" by the Pogues? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:37:58 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: joni not being able to play guitar anymore Someone wrote yesterday (sorry I cannot not recall who it was) that Joni is unable to play guitar any more. I have not heard this so was wondering if anyone else knew anything about it. I can see how painting might require a different amount of fine motor dexterity than guitar ( I think) so she can still do that. The original writer had pondered that. I am curious about this. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... --- Lori Fye wrote: > > > Least favourite? > > Taming The Tiger (the song. I think. It's that > damn "kitty, kitty" > thing) > I love that song, but I agree about the "Nice kitty, kitty" thing. It wrecks the song IMO. I can't think of a favourite. There are too many to choose from. As far as least favourites, there are a few that most of us seem to name every time, the most favourite least favourite being "Dancing clown." But Joni is entitled to have some fun and with all the gems, there has to be a diamond in the rough. Maybe she could redo it with an orchestra. On the other hand.... naaaaaaah! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:42:24 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... FAVE: Hejira - the original (love the Travelogue version also) LEAST FAVE: Woodstock (I could just never get into this song and I really don't like her "dying cat" vocals at the end. Each time I hear it I want to put her out of her misery. It's probably because I'm 25 and I wasn't even a vague concept in the late 60s so I just can't really relate, though I know this song is like gospel to some.) Lori Fye wrote:This is SO difficult! > What's your favourite Joni Mitchell > song/performance of all time? Hejira (the original version of the song) > Least favourite? Taming The Tiger (the song. I think. It's that damn "kitty, kitty" thing) Lori ~ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni not being able to play guitar anymore --- Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > Someone wrote yesterday (sorry I cannot not recall > who it was) that Joni is > unable to play guitar any more. I have not heard > this so was wondering if > anyone else knew anything about it. I can see how > painting might require a > different amount of fine motor dexterity than guitar > ( I think) so she can > still do that. The original writer had pondered > that. I am curious about > this. I haven't heard that she's not able; just that she's having some difficulty due to post-polio syndrome. I think the problem may be more with the left hand than the right, which might explain why she uses different tunings for every song and with the VG8 she just has it programmed to sound like these tunings without having to retune every time. If you use the open tunings, usually you only have to hold down one or two fingers of the left hand on the strings, or else bar across the whole thing or just the top few strings, depending on what chord she's playing. She doesn't hold down a lot of full bars, at least not one right after the other, so I guess that doesn't strain the left hand as much as it could (maybe her guitar is strung at a low tension too so she doesn't have to press to hard?) This makes sense if she's right-handed and I presume she is. I think her right hand is fine. So she can paint and do all her interesting right-hand fingering on the guitar. If she's a lefty, my theory is blown to hell, but I don't believe she is - I remember in the PWMAM video that she held the pallet in her left hand and painted with the right. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:47:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... --- Little Bird wrote: > FAVE: Hejira - the original (love the Travelogue > version also) > LEAST FAVE: Woodstock (I could just never get into > this song and I really don't like her "dying cat" > vocals at the end. Each time I hear it I want to put > her out of her misery. It's probably because I'm 25 > and I wasn't even a vague concept in the late 60s so > I just can't really relate, though I know this song > is like gospel to some.) Now that you mention it, I'm not fond of Woodstock either and I'm of the generation that should relate to it. I had forgotten about the dying cats "woooooooo" stuff at the end. Not my favourite Joni-voice either. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:48:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... In a message dated 12/08/2002 12:42:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > LEAST FAVE: Woodstock Have you heard the "Shadows & Light" live version, Andrew? While I like the original, yodel & all, this 1979 recording is astounding. Bob NP: Greg Simpson, "Seven Wonders" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:54:16 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... Funny you should mention the live version of Woodstock. I don't mind it so much. I actually like the Miles of Isles version of it better than the S&L live version. It's got lots of funk and I'm hoping Stevie Wonder's cover of this song on "A Case Of Joni" (should we ever actually hear it) is similar in tone and style. - -Andrew SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 12/08/2002 12:42:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: LEAST FAVE: Woodstock Have you heard the "Shadows & Light" live version, Andrew? While I like the original, yodel & all, this 1979 recording is astounding. Bob NP: Greg Simpson, "Seven Wonders" Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:14:45 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re: joni on the hit parade Hi, Didn't the cover of 'This Flight Tonight' by Nazareth chart in the UK? Joe. NP Ani Di Franco Napoleon (on 'So Much Shouting So Much Laughter) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:34:03 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: of all time My favourite Joni song/ perfomance 'Cactus Tree' on Miles of Aisles. Least fave 'Three Great Stimulants' Joe. np Boychild Scott Walker. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:21:27 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #550 -- Manilow, River, etc. > No...not a joke at all. Barry's latest is called "A Christmas Gift Of Love" > and includes the usual suspects, plus River, plus the title song which he > wrote, plus "My Favorite Things"....since when is THAT a Christmas song? > Anyway, he obviously has no clue what "River" is about...he sings it like > it's a little pop ditty. > I buy one or two holiday CDs each year (I'm getting sentimental as I get older and would never have even considered buying Christmas music until a few years ago) and this year I decided to go with Manilow because of River and because I had read the album includes a number of swing-style arrangements. It's not a bad album at all, as far as holiday music goes (which, let's face it, is often really awful). I like the big band-style arrangements and his voice sounds quite good (without much of the mono-tonal stuff he has done so much of). Anyway, I have to agree that, for this Joni fan, his treatment of River misses the mark (but of course he gets to decide which mark he's aiming for, doesn't he). I've read on the web that Barry's fans are ga-ga over River. But no matter how he does it, I think "it's a good thing" when singers cover Joni compositions and spread around some siquomb to people who might not otherwise be exposed. Some of them, no doubt, will pick up a copy of Hits as a result. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: of all time STOP! I can't pick one and you all are confusing me more! LOL! But Joe, this is a choice I hadn't considered, but a really great one. I also lean towards Wally K's sugggestion for favorite, "everything before WTRF." Although I could only say for least favorite ..... DED! Even I can't believe how much I dislike this album and do even more so after a recent listen - YUK! Well except for "Impossible Dreamer." So I guess my favorite Joni, for today anyway (just get to it GUZ!), is ... "Conversation." I had at least ten fighting their way to my fingers on the keyboard. But it's one I like to sing - - allbeit, not very well. It's also in my favorite era LOTC - Hejira. And it's a got a good beat and you can dance to it. And I am sure you all know - I can dance. Well at least I thought so this weekend. Check again tomorrow. Least Favorite - well it's the one that comes to mind the most often "Ray's Dad's Cadilac." Peace, Susan NP: Sarah McLachlan/Elsewhere - --- joe farrell wrote: > My favourite Joni song/ perfomance 'Cactus Tree' on Miles of Aisles. > > Least fave 'Three Great Stimulants' > > Joe. > > np Boychild Scott Walker. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:44:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #550 -- Manilow, River, etc. In a message dated 12/08/2002 2:22:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, BRYAN8847@aol.com writes: > But no matter how he does it, I think "it's a good thing" when singers > cover Joni compositions and spread around some siquomb to people who might > not otherwise be exposed. And I have to heartily agree...not to mention the fact that somebody of Barry's stature is going to rack up a lot of sales thereby generating a lot more royalty revenue for Joni. Maybe instead of "Hits" she should have called it "Cash Cows"! :~) Bob NP: Paul Westerberg, "We May Be The Ones" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:56:55 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: [none] i remember reading a while back joni saying shed never release a greatest hits or a box set, because she felt people would stop buying her catalog. shed said shed seen it happen to others. but she released those hits and misses. well, hits was ok, but misses was a big pile o crap. Someone on this list made up her own version and it was infinitley better. never let an artist pick out their own best-ofs. they never have a clue. (witness laura nyros stoned soul picnic double cd.). the solution is simple. let me do it. i know whats best. period. so without further adieu, here is the definitive joni mitchell box set. ive given myself some restraints. i believe around 20 cuts per cd is a good average, less on later work, because most artists tend to get more long winded. oh, and one more thing. joni CANT do the graphics. i will. basically it will be a TON of black and white high contrast photos spanning her entire career, tiny color pix of each album, all lyrics and recording dates, and an extensive, recent, non crabby interview with joni. disc one: early years 1. winter lady (from radio) (so pretty and sad) 2. eastern rain (radio) (an amazing song-should have been on STAS) 3. both sides now (radio) (tuneful-up and flowing) 4. good samaratin (early version of this flight tonight) 5. get together (live from big sur) 6. things go better (jonis coke commercial) (it rocks and is so funny) 7. marcie (her best early song) 8. michael (sounds like a spirit is singing this in an empty house) 9. night in the city (never ceases to get me up) 10. cactus tree (just the best the best the best) 11. chelsea morning (another getter upper-the epitome of early joni) 12. both sides now ( a little dirgy compared to the bbc radio versions) 13. i think i understand (so simple so beautiful and so well sung) 14. that song about the midway (so sophisticated) 15. dawntreader (such an exqusite melody) 16. the gallery (enough little melodic hooks in this one for 3 songs) 17. rainy night house (so wonderfully strange and mysterious) 18. woodstock (not my fave-prefer csny version) 19. circle game (ick-always disliked this one-but must be here, i guess) 20. morning morgantown (so perfectly sweet) 21. urge for going (b side of radio-just about perfect) 22. big yellow taxi (always sounds good) (and becomes more true as the years roll along!) disc two: acclaimed years 1. carey (love when she rocks) 2. case of you (everyones favorite-not mine tho) 3. california (simple summery perfection) 4. blue ( important song, but too melancholy for me) 5. river (so unusual and strange) 6. all i want (pop perfection-eternal ebullience) 7. electricity (one of my top 10 - i cant hear it enough) 8. cold blue steel (amazing amazing AMAZING) 9. woman of heart and mind (another top 10 - speaks volumes) 10. for the roses (joni was peaking here for me) 11. barangrill (magic-top 10) 12. down to you (everyones favorite-but i need more melody) 13. court and spark (this one always takes me right back) 14. peoples parties ( top 10 perfection) 15. free man in paris (exciting with a great tune) 16. help me (a lot love it but its blah to me) 17. raised on robbery (yes yes yes) 18. jericho live (good song, exciting in a live performance) 19. love or money live (ditto) disc three: peak years 1. dont interrupt the sorrow (certainly my fave from hissing maybe my fave joni song of all time) 2. boho dance (subtle and gets better each listening) 3. jungle line (exciting and dense) 4. in frace they kiss on mainstreet ( refreshing as a spring evening) 5. shades of scarlett conquering ( very cinematic-and none other than elvis c just loves it for its outstanding lyrics) 6. song for sharon (top 10--maybe top 1) 7. refuge of the roads (sublime) 8. amelia-(outstanding song from an outstanding album) 9. coyote-(this one reads like a really good novel) 10. hejira (its like a beautiful movie--top 10) 11. dry cleaner from des moines (so rich and very funny- unusual for joni) 12. God must be a boogie man-(nice culmination of the mingus project) 13. otis & marlena-(just grows and grows on me) 14. overture/cotton avenue (i just couldnt seperate the 2) 15. don juans reckless daughter (ooooh top 10 top 10!) 16. hejira live (a nice winding down to the side- and a great yet different version) disc four: no comprimise 1. moon at the window (some real jazzy joni for a change) 2. chinese cafe (like her oldies selection) 3. impossible dreamer (a pretty gem plucked from the nadir of her career) 4. beat of black wings (strange-spooky-wonderful) 5. bird that whistles (overlooked gem-why doesnt anyone ever vote for this one on the song poll?) 6. slouching towords bethlehem (what a grabber- moves like a parade of camels) 7. passion play (so fresh and exciting-and joni sings here as well as ever) 8. night ride home (top 10 material here-just perfect) 9. two grey rooms (one of THOSE kind of joni songs -just great 10. sex kills (a little preachy but killer hooks) 11. turbulent indigo (as good as anything she has ever done-top 10 for sure) 12. sunny sunday (whistful and fine) 13. the sire of sorrow (a quintissental and very cool song -well sung too) 14. no apologies (one of many great tunes from an underrated albun) 15. taming the tiger (very good and very brave) 16. face lift (have you listened to this lately?) 17. my best to you (heartbreakingly sad and beautiful) 18. both sides now (the ol girls been thru a lot- and it shows-in a nice way though) 19. a case of you (ditto) (...we could possibly instead, end with a travelog song but i aint listed to it yet) ok that was fun. warner reprise please take note. The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:09:37 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Sunday Short Cuts I can't believe I had a grammatical error in a 3 paragraph post. Of course, what I meant to say was, "Only a phase, these bright TRAVELOGUE days." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:51:36 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Excellent selections, Walter! I agree almost 100% but had some trouble with disc four. Loved your ideas on the graphics - I can visualize it perfectly. What would the actual box look like? I'm thinking all black with "Joni Mitchell" written in embossed stenciling in silver. What would you call it? There will surely be a box set somewhere down the line, probably post-mortem, which is rather morbid to think about but someone will surely give it a go once Joni can no longer interfere. walterphil wrote:i remember reading a while back joni saying shed never release a greatest hits or a box set, because she felt people would stop buying her catalog. shed said shed seen it happen to others. but she released those hits and misses. well, hits was ok, but misses was a big pile o crap. Someone on this list made up her own version and it was infinitley better. never let an artist pick out their own best-ofs. they never have a clue. (witness laura nyros stoned soul picnic double cd.). the solution is simple. let me do it. i know whats best. period. so without further adieu, here is the definitive joni mitchell box set. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:39:13 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Fantasy Box (Set) I like your suggestions, Walt! But it seems that with her prolific nature, Joni surely has drawers full of rare unreleased compositions laying around. If a box set were to come out, I'd hope some of the rarities would be included. I'd love to have a recording of the premiere of Facelift from the Gene Autry Museum performance included as well. My memory of that concert which I heard on the radio was that it was stellar! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:19:24 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: joni on the hit parade > Didn't the cover of 'This Flight Tonight' by Nazareth chart in the UK? Yes it got to # 11 and was released 13th Oct 73. A friend of mine played it to me on vinyl and I cringed! STEVE NP: Just Like This Train (TLOG) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:18:45 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: WISH LIST Sure wish it would snow here. It's just cold and grey! Okay here's my TLOG wish list:- Marcie Cactus Tree The Gallery The Priest River (maybe she's saving it for that dreary little Christmas album!) Barangrill Down To you (I was sure that she would have done this one) Love Or Money Sweet Bird Shades of Scarlett Conquering Blue Motel Room Moon At The Window I think she did a good job herself at selecting the songs for TLOG and I never would of guessed that certain songs would have sounded so good. There are just a few songs which I think would be better replaced with something from above. STEVE NP: 'Be Cool' (TLOG) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: WISH LIST > "As snow gathers like bolts of lace," > outside my window here in Toronto, > I've been thinking about songs I wish > Joni had included on T'LOG. > > Anyone else have a "wish list"? > > Here's mine. > > 1. Marcie > 2. River > 3. Let the Wind Carry Me > 4. Help Me > 5. Car on a Hill > 6. Edith & the Kingpin > 7. Shades of Scarlett Conquering > 8. Sweet Bird > 9. Coyote > 10. Cotton Avenue > 11. Sweet Sucker Dance > 12. Moon at the Window > 13. Two Grey Rooms > 14. Sunny Sunday > 15. Love Puts on a New Face ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:26:26 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... If I really had to narrow it down. > What's your favourite Joni Mitchell > song/performance of all time? Harry's House/Centerpiece, Cactus Tree(MOI) or For The Roses. >Least favourite? My Secret Place or the Shadows & Light version of Woodstock. STEVE NP: Refuge Of The Roads (TLOG) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:22:09 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: of all time >Favorite of all time, or at least at this point in time: Amelia - haunting >melody, perfect lyric. Least favorite: The Windfall - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:48:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Fantasy Box (Set) In a message dated 12/08/2002 4:40:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, KJHSF@aol.com writes: > But it seems that with her prolific nature, > Joni surely has drawers full of rare unreleased compositions laying around. > > If a box set were to come out, I'd hope some of the rarities would be > included. Amen! I've already got everything on Walt's box set. If her boxset doesn't have the alternate Mingus recordings on it, I'm gonna be one pissed-off mofo. By the same token, I don't mean to dis your idea, Walt...you spent a lot of time digging all that out & I appreciated it. Bob NP: Jazzbum, "What's Goin' On" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:12:31 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: WISH LIST Hell and I were talking about this last night. Joni included songs from almost every album, but nothing from HOSL! Shades of Scarlett Conquering would have been SO nice. Kerry Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:06:35 -0500 From: Subject: WISH LIST "As snow gathers like bolts of lace," outside my window here in Toronto, I've been thinking about songs I wish Joni had included on T'LOG. Anyone else have a "wish list"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:16:41 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: of all time Favourite: Coyote, I think. First song of hers I ever heard properly, when I bought Hejira. I'd heard BYT and stuff before, but only snippets. "Just how close to bone and the skin and the eyes and the lips you can get, and still feel so alone." How did she damn well know in 197mumble that when I bought the CD nearly 20 years later, that was precisely how I'd be feeling? Least: Twisted. Seems to be so, I dunno, "not Joni". Does that make any sort of sense? - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:39:24 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni is mentioned but not really Joni content >I am sad to say that I haven't heard Travelogue yet because a certain > >person who will remain unnamed has forbidden me to purchase it because > >he is sending it to me for my birthday. Said birthday was December >1st >and even though I ate Thanksgiving dinner at said friend's house (which was >lovely), I did not receive my birthday gift. I did >receive last year's >Xmas gift and housewarming which was a beautiful oil painting done by said >friend so >I am not really complaining. However I am unable to listen to > >Travelogue in my car as said friend is doing on a daily basis. This has happened to me once or twice. What I have done is bought the copy of whatever it is that I was anxious to here. If the gift did come later on, I would take it to the store were it was bought and picked out something different. Your friend would never need to know. If for some reason your friend would give it to you with the wrapper removed because she listened to it first, etc...(yes I have received gifts like this and I have still appreciated them), then I would tell her the truth. I bought it because you failed to give it to me despite the fact that you knew my level of desperation to hear Joni's new album. If she knows that you are a big Joni fan and that you participate on this list every day, then I think she should be prompt with the goods. Especially if she knows that the only reason you have not bought it is because she said she would give it to you. I don't think your friend will take it the wrong way if you portray yourself as a true Joni addict that is going through withdrawal. Hopefully she will realize that you just couldn't wait one more day. When Judy came out with the album "Voices", I bought it for a friend of mine 2 weeks before her birthday. Thinking that she might buy it I drove by her house, picked her up and took her to my dad's farm where there is a beautiful lake. It was night time and slightly breezy and I already had 2 lounge chairs, a table with coffee and doughnut and my boom box. I played it for her and she didn't even know what to say she was so thrilled. I did not let her see the packaging or anything until her actual b-day. This made her thrill at actually receiving it even bigger because she already new how great it was. It's like taking someone to their favorite restaurant. They already know what to expect. Till this day she talks about the great way in which i let her listen to her gift. It would have been nice if your friend had given you a sneak preview on Thanksgiving. Will _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:04:35 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: Re: Court & Spark Hi, I've enjoyed reading the discussion of C&S. I played it over and over when I first discovered Joni in the mid 80's. Since then I have been on this incredible journey of discovery. But thanks to all the posts, I plan to revisit this gem immediately! Has anyone heard any sales figures or chart position for T'log in its first 2 weeks of release? I went to Billboard.com and they only list the top 100, and no mention of T'log. Perhaps if Joni sees decent sales, she will be prompted to begin writing some material for a new project. And NOT the morbid little Christmas album! Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:55:14 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: false alarms OK. After many years and hundreds of listens, what are the 'false alarms' in Amelia? In the Icarus verse I understand the false alarm to be a love affair that didn't work out. But what about in the other verses? They all end in 'it was just a false alarm.' What does IT refer to? There isn't an obvious subject for the pronoun. This has been driving me a little crazy for almost 30 years now. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:58:53 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: WISH LIST >"As snow gathers like bolts of lace," >outside my window here in Toronto, >I've been thinking about songs I wish >Joni had included on T'LOG. > >Anyone else have a "wish list"? > >Here's mine. > >1. Marcie I must agree that Marcie Really would have worked well on the record, the lyricism is so beautiful as well as the melody. >2. River If this was on Travelouge I would have cried no doubt. >3. Let the Wind Carry Me ONe of my all time favorites... Yes, I repeat, Yes, this should have been on. >4. Help Me Actually, I dont konw if this would have worked as well, would have been interesting. >5. Car on a Hill >6. Edith & the Kingpin >7. Shades of Scarlett Conquering >8. Sweet Bird I totally think that HOSL was overlooked.. If anything Sweet Bird would have fit beautifully on the record. Three thumbs up! >9. Coyote >10. Cotton Avenue >11. Sweet Sucker Dance >12. Moon at the Window >13. Two Grey Rooms >14. Sunny Sunday >15. Love Puts on a New Face BLair NP: Aimee Mann, Invisible Ink _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:04:25 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... FAVE: Cotton Avenue Least FAVE: The Arrangment.. Too Squeally at the end.. I just have to skip the track or flip the record over. BLair NP: "Christmas Time is Here" Vince Guaraldi Trio > >FAVE: Hejira - the original (love the Travelogue version also) >LEAST FAVE: Woodstock (I could just never get into this song and I really >don't like her "dying cat" vocals at the end. Each time I hear it I want to >put her out of her misery. It's probably because I'm 25 and I wasn't even a >vague concept in the late 60s so I just can't really relate, though I know >this song is like gospel to some.) > Lori Fye wrote:This is SO difficult! > > > What's your favourite Joni Mitchell > > song/performance of all time? > >Hejira (the original version of the song) > > > Least favourite? > >Taming The Tiger (the song. I think. It's that damn "kitty, kitty" >thing) > >Lori > >~ >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:28:47 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: JC but no DAT hey all- so some of you know that i'm learning to run the soundboard at the Ark, an acoustic-oriented venue in Ann Arbor. and if you read my last post you know i'm really into lynn miles recently. well tonight i ran my first solo show at the ark, and lynn miles played. she was totally amazing! i loved the show. so much so that i contemplated going to her next show tomorrow, in grand rapids. but it is really too far for me to justify - she isn't Tori, after all! nor joni for that matter, but speaking of joni - after soundcheck, lynn sat at the piano - which she wasn't expecting to have at the show - (it was in her old rider, who knew that her rider had changed! that's what she sent us), and played a whole bunch of songs. including a beautiful rendition of 'River'. (<----- JC!) it was great - i just sat at the soundboard and listened... she forgot the lyrics "he tried hard to help me, he put me at ease" and so after she fumbled with the first line, i chimed in and sang "he put me at ease", and she stopped and we spent a minute trying to remember the "he tried hard to help me" line. and then she continued the song to the end. i was flipping out - i thought she might play it during the show and my greedy little mind was thinking that the resident Ark taper-dude, jeff, was probably going to tape the show on his trusty DAT, and then i would have a cover to contribute to our collection! well, a) jeff didn't bring his taping equipment b) she didn't play River for the show anyhow. but i sat in a big room all by myself and hear lynn miles sing 'River'. i love working sound at the Ark. :-) peace, yael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:57:35 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: joni's statue Here is the website for Oldenburg. http://www.oldenburgvanbruggen.com/ He and his wife have current projects on-going. Since Saskatchewan has lots of wide open spaces, I can see where his sculptures would work just fine. Best- Heather - who is more enamored by Oldenburg's printmaking. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:09 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: joni's statue Does anyone know if the sculptor Claes Oldenburg is still on this side of the grass? If so, he could create the perfect statue of Joni -- an enormous cigarette butt sticking out of the ground! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:04:27 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: lithograph Have you seen the lithograph on ebay. That's all I'm going to say. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:21:17 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell Night at Club Passim, Boston, MA - January 6, 2003 I meant to send this out before I went to Vancouver for Thanksgiving, but I didn't have a chance until now. I did call Passim before I left and made a reservation for 5 so far, because that was the limit you could make without prepaying. ALL Boston-area JMDLers are *required* to attend this mini-fest, and all those that would like to fly/drive/taxi/train in as well. The Ashara abode is available for an overnight. Please let me know as soon as possible if you are attending, as I really need to let them know how many are coming. If it's over 6, we need to pre-pay. The club is very small, and gets sold out quickly. Monday, January 6th, 2003 - 8PM Joni Mitchell Tribute Show Club Passim 47 Palmer Street Cambridge, MA For tickets call 617-492-7679. Here is an incomplete list of what songs are being done by the perspective artist...ALSO it looks as though Diane Zeigler will be coming on board....yay! >Carl Cacho - Help Me >Rob Siegel - Both Sides Now >Ari - Blue >Flora Reed - River >Joel Ninesling - Little Green >Deb Talan - Amelia >Steph Corby - People's Parties >Oen Kennedy - Black Crow >Marc Herman - Borderline >David Goldfinger - Urge For Going >Hanneke Cassel - Morning Morgantown >Susan Levine - >Bridget Matros - Cactus Tree >Dave Dersham - Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire >Chris O'Brien - >Michael Troy - >Rob Laurens - Slouching Toward Bethlehem >Meg Hutchinson - >Anne Heaton - For Free >Stephen Kellogg - Raised on Robbery >Gregpry Douglass - Court And Spark >Tim Gearan - >Christopher Williams - A Case Of You >Mark Erelli - Carey >Chris & Meredith Thompson - Big Yellow Taxi >Merrie Amsterberg - Woodstock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:52:08 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: OF ALL TIME... L: And it's too bqad, isn't it, because TIGER BONES is so lovely! M > Taming The Tiger (the song. I think. It's that damn "kitty, kitty" > thing) > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:32:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: eBay Item # 928798681, signed litho? The ad implies that Joni signed it for the purpose of raising funds for a charity or political movement. I don't think it's a charity though because a.) they don't offer their non-profit # and b.) what kind of charity runs auctions on ebay? I smell a rat. If someone would cough up the $5,000.00 "buy-it-now" price, it would be a _purchase_ not a tax-deductible donation to a charity, right guys? Kakki? I think it's a political group with some unorthodox fund-raising techniques. He has 122 items up on ebay right now and only a total of 12 transactions behind him. 'roland' says the poster "has been sitting around her Los Angeles home ever since then and does show some normal wear (although no tears)." Am I to believe that a.) Joni has proofs at her house and b.) she stores them recklessly? The woman who frames her paintings before she photographs them doesn't store her _proofs_ correctly?! My poster from "voices" doesn't have any flaws at all. What's "normal wear" for a sheet of paper stored in a cool, dry, dark environment? What say ye, librarians? Best of all, this political group has a freakin' reserve "price" on the donation they're willing to accept in exchange for a token of the donation! The present bid, $405, has not satisfied the reserve price. Ahh! So, they're prepared to turn down a $405 donation to their movement! Interesting..... Sign me "Cynical in Cincinnati", Lama Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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