From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #382 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, December 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 382 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- joni on the hit parade ["flopit" ] Re: Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue [dsk ] no dedication to kilauren? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: travelogue bad reviews...? [Randy Remote ] Re: Travelogue - thumbs down I'm afraid [Randy Remote ] ALL THE WAY THROUGH [] OF ALL TIME... [] Re: Joni in the park ["kakki" ] court and spark [Chorando6@aol.com] Re: OF ALL TIME... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: OF ALL TIME... [KJHSF@aol.com] RE: OF ALL TIME... ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: court and spark and Friends the film (music by Elton John and lyrics by Bernie Taupin) [Mags N Brei <] Re: court and spark ["chuty001" ] Re: Travelogue Best and worst.... ["chuty001" ] Re: Replacements ROCK!! ["chuty001" ] Re: Saskatoon gets cold in winter ["chuty001" ] Re: Joni's statue [us ] Re: Joni's statue ["Patricia O'Connor" ] elton john/court & spark ["Kate Bennett" ] Happy Outcome to Annoying "Try This Quiz" Thingy (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.c] Joni's morbid little Christmas [Little Bird ] re: the hole in her stockings ["mia ortlieb" ] At first too depressing to listen to ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Today in History: December 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:39:50 -0800 From: "flopit" Subject: joni on the hit parade hi just did a bit of research - joni never made it into the charts here!!! the only covers that did were: (the numbers in yellow are the highest position reached: MATTHEWS SOUTHERN COMFORT (UK) 13 Nov 70 3 12 WOODSTOCK written by Joni MITCHELL (1) (-) Total songs: 1 Total weeks: 12 Steve LONSDALE (SA) 04 Sep 70 17 5 BOTH SIDES NOW (-) (-) Total songs: 1 Total weeks: 5 http://cd.co.za/legends/60s/staccatos_index.htm (sorry bob - dont think ill be able to track this one down...) anybody wanting to catch up on some south african music go here: www.samp3.com ron np - steve earl - my old friend the blues - live in washington ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:14:26 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > > Recently two members, Bruce and Michael, wrote comments individually > regarding the artistic integrity of the statue. Their comments deserve > notice. Figurative memorials can be awful. Art by committee is frightening. > A great artist must do the work and should have creative reign to do so. I > think it's more about finding the artist than designing the statue, folks. > The artist will do that, yes? Maybe so, but artists do not work in a vacuum. And I always think it's fun to toss ideas around, especially among people who've known Joni for so long. And when $50,000 or more is spent commissioning an art work (as opposed to buying an already existing one), there's going to be a lot of discussion about it, not necessarily here, but definitely between the givers and the doers. That itself can be a creative undertaking. Art making always involves a lot of uncertainty and dialogue, whether it's a person working alone and having an internal discussion with the materials, or being involved with donors or a committee and having outward discussions also. I guess not everyone can tolerate that chaos or sustain interest in it. To me it's all part of the creative process. Considering what a long-term, challenging project this is, it's hard for me to understand why anyone would attempt to shut down the brainstorming about it so early on. It's just as well, though. I have my own chaotic projects to get on with, and since I've gotten recent calls from two people wanting to sell my art (whoo-hoo!), it's time to pay attention to that. I look forward to seeing how the Joni statue, or whatever, turns out, and knowing me, I'll probably be throwing in some opinions along the way whether people are interested or not. Now, if I could only listen to T'log long enough to figure out exactly what I feel about it... Debra Shea NPIMH: Joni singing "Unchained Melody" in T'log. Her singing there is truly beautiful. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:18:49 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue Who in hell is "attempting to shut down the brainstorming about it so early on"? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:49:21 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > > Who in hell is "attempting to shut down the brainstorming about it so early > on"? Good grief, back off! Take a chill pill. First it was your out-of-the-blue anger at discussing smoking in the context of Joni's statue, and then it's "the artist will do that" comment. That, among other posts, definitely sends out an "end of discussion" message. And, yes, I do agree that Bruce's and Michael's comments deserve notice. I happen to disagree with the "all figurative statues are awful" assumption and think it shuts down some possibilities way too early in the process, but probably many people agree completely with them and with you. So what? Is it all really something to start cursing about? I don't think so. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Travelogue Best and worst.... I'm afraid theres no worst section in my mind. Theres only good better and the best. i think the job that was done on slouching towards bethlehem and jobs sad song and otis and marlena is outstanding. it seems like larry and joni have improved their production when it comes to producing an orchestra. on bsn it sounded a bit brass and flat. here it's rich and warm and full of surprises. you're right about the dawntreader, though no harp can ever replace joni's guitar. oy, joni's guitar. I blame it all on her painting. if her fingers and hands are realy so weak, how can she paint so much but at the same time claim she can't play the guitar? damn those brushes! but i disagree with you on woodstock. even the first version has this sense of loss and sadness. and don't you just love listening to ludwigs tune now that it sounds realy beethovenish? in general, joni has finaly realised that that smoking-singing-vibrato was realy too much on bsn, and you can hear her here even grasping for air every now and then and shortning words in order to avoid the vibrato.sometimes it even sounds as if she's half singing half talking. i also think that joni has done her best in order to avoid tributing the songs and making them sound fresh, and there is something very fresh about this album, not at all a swan song. i wish i could hear it now but it's late night here so i'll wait till the morning comes. love, nuriel - --- "Paul Headon" wrote: >Hi > >I am really enjoying travelogue my 3 favourites are >1 Dawnteader A really great atmospheric filling out of a simpler early >song >2 Cheroke louise Great just Great even better than the exvellent earlier >version >3 You dream flat tires swings so well > >Least Favourite >1 Woodstock a heavy , almost leaden, version of such a song of great 70's >optimism. > >Other peoples views on their best and worst perhaps..... > > >Best wishes, > >Paul Headon >Wales > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 02/12/2002 _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:03:03 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: no dedication to kilauren? how come? _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:29:20 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue Hell is cursing? Give me a break. Usually I would have said fuck. I'm not angry and was never angry. I'm from Jersey. I'm a Jersey girl. That's how we talk. That's how we act. That's how I express myself. It has nothing to do with anger. I'm going to go smoke cigarettes now. I'm not initiating any personal messages to people's homes. I have responded to people who have written to me, most very nice I might add. But a couple (only 2) of you have written to me directly and have been quite snotty and I have responded in turn. I see no need for that. Maybe this is not for me. Seems not. It's kind of weird. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:31:45 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: travelogue bad reviews...? Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Did joni get bad reviews on travelogue? what did the bastards had to say this time? Actually, most of the published reviews (I've seen a dozen or more) have been positive or at least supportive. Only 2 or 3 panned it completely. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:38:53 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Travelogue - thumbs down I'm afraid For me, most of the Joni's albums have either grabbed me or not right away. Everything after WTRF I pretty much never play, although I've tried. Some of DED I like. mia ortlieb wrote: > < thanks...." ? > Would eating more of it make you like it better?>> > > Actually, yes- but over time. > > 1. PIZZA - did not like until I turned 18 > 2. TACOS - did not like until my late 20's > 3. ONIONS - did not like until my 30's > 4. GREEN PEPPERS - just started liking them a year ago > > Now, If only I could start to like peanut butter, and become sick of > chocolate :-) > > When "Taming the Tiger" first came out, I wasn't all that excited about it. > I did not think it was very melodic. I kept revisiting it and now I > absolutely cannot get enough! I think it is extremely melodic and I'm > humming the tunes in the shower all the time! Come to think of it, my 2 fav > Joni albums, FTR and DJRD took awhile before they became my favorites. > > Mia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:13:41 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Joni compilation! Okay so this isn't really a list of omissions, misses or hits(or maybe it's all 3), but just a minidisc I've done of some(you'd need a few minidiscs)of my favourate Joni songs which I feel show all sides of her music. I did this last weekend thinking this could never be relesed because it doesn't have 'Big Yellow Taxi' or 'Help Me' (love those songs btw) on it. Anyway here it is. For The Music... 1. Free Man In Paris 2. Night In The City 3. For Free 4. Smokin' 5. Moon At The Window 6. Harry's House/Centerpiece 7. Jericho (live MOI) 8. Turbulent Indigo 9. The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey 10. I Think I Understand 11. Cherokee Louise 12. The Silky Veils Of Ardor 13. A Bird That Whistles 14. A Case Of you 15. For The Roses 16. No Apologies 17. Amelia 18. Urge For Going 19. God Must Be a Boogie Man (Trav. Vers.) I've done it in this order because I feel that it flows well which I think is important. Like to know what anyone thinks. Trav. is sounding better and better and better and... Steve P.S. For people in the UK who have not seen 'Six Degrees Of Seperation' you have to. It's on BBC2 tonight at 12:15. I always get tearey eyed at the end. Such an exellent film. N.P: 'Sweet Bird' Joni . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:22:21 -0500 From: Subject: ALL THE WAY THROUGH It's interesting how we listen to Joni, isn't it? There are certain albums I tend always to play all the way through -- B, FTR, C&S, THOSL, H, TI -- because they feel like one solid suberb "dream." I'd say the same for DJRD, but I sometimes skip PAPRIKA -- which I have to be in the right mood for. And MINGUS? I fast-forward to avoid the ending of WOLF (I think it's a wonderfully mysterious song but that cacaphony drives me crazy). NRH? I'm afraid I can't listen to WINDFALL. BSN? DON'T GO TO STRANGERS and SOMETIMES I'm happy don't do it for me -- as songs. Though TTT is deeply flawed (for me), nothing can beat (with the help of fast forward) the run of LOVE PUTS ON, CRAZY CRIES, STAY IN TOUCH, FACE LIFT) -- Joni at her most personal, singing some of her most tender lyrics. AND now T'LOG? I have to admit that I skip the following, if I'm not in the right mood: SLOUCHING, LUDWIG, JOB, TRAIN, SEX KILLS, BORDERLINE. If I am in the right mood, however, I like the sheer drama -- and audacity! -- of the first three. If there's a God in heaven, Joni is writing again. We want more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:51:16 -0500 From: Subject: OF ALL TIME... What's your favourite Joni Mitchell song/performance of all time? Mine is Coyote. Least favourite? Mine is Tax Free. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:00:06 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni in the park Michael wrote: This is an EXCELLENT idea!! > I think we should get Anjelica Huston's husband, Robert Graham, to do the > statue. They are both close friends of Joni's, and Graham is one of the great > Mexican/American sculptors working today. This is an EXCELLENT idea and I'd bet he would love to be the one to do the statue since they are friends. I live in downtown L.A. and a number of his works large and small pop up here and there along the street, in fountains and in gardens. His art is incredible. The huge doors of the cathedral are awesome, plus several of his works are inside, including angel sconces with various bird wings. He does both realistic and abstract sculpture. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:10:11 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: court and spark hi all, I wanted to ask anyone if they know Elton johns sountrack to a film called 'Friends' and if they do...do they notice any similarities between it and Court and Spark. I can't exactly pin-point what makes them feel similar but to me something does. It's quite intriguing and if i were forced to an analysis i would say firstly its the instumentation and arrangements, but more than that and in some way less than that, cos i'm now about to be very vague indeed, they both have the same summery feel. They both sparkle in the same way.Eltons album is somewhat twee but there's something there that when i listen to one it reminds me of the other and when i listen to the other it reminds me of the other...one or should that be one without Other...whatever! Let me know if you know.xx Clive ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:12:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... In a message dated 12/07/2002 7:52:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtotzke@gosympatico.ca writes: > What's your favourite Joni Mitchell > song/performance of all time? Hejira> > > Least favourite? > > Dancing Clown > Bob NP: Paul Westerberg, "I Will Dare" Chicago 8.9.02 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:19:26 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: OF ALL TIME... In a message dated 12/7/2002 7:51:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtotzke@gosympatico.ca writes: > What's your favourite Joni Mitchell > song/performance of all time? > Hejira on Hejira--If I had to pick just one favorite. Down To You and Amelia are right up there, too, but don't get me started. Least Favorite? Dancin' Clown. I don't think Joni ever gives a bad performance, necessarily. I'm sure it's the best she could do with a song that's just not very likeable. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:21:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: OF ALL TIME... - - In a message dated 12/07/2002 7:52:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtotzke@gosympatico.ca writes: > What's your favourite Joni Mitchell everything she wrote before the shadows and light album > Least favourite? almost everything she wrote after the shadows and light album wallyK, np: elektra, eva marton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: court and spark and Friends the film (music by Elton John and lyrics by Bernie Taupin) from the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin sometime in the warmer climes of 1971... I quote this little review of the film "Friends": "Friends"- An improbable but touching story of teenage runaways, a French girl and an English boy, who set up housekeeping in the Camargue, a wild and beautiful section of southern France, and try to cope with the realities of being lovers with household responsibilities. (R) and from the jacket of the vinyl, which by the way, all songs are by Elton John and Bernie Taupin and Paul Buckmaster, copyright 1970 by Dick James Music Ltd London ***the song itself could be the theme song of the JMDL*** Friends, by Elton John and Bernie Taupin I hope the day will be a lighter highway For friends are found on every road Can you ever think of any better way For the lost and weary travellers to go? Chorus Making friends for the world to see Let the people know you've got what you need With a friend at hand you will see the light If your friends are there then everything's alright It seems to me a crime that we should age These fragile times should never slip us by A time you never can or shall erase As friends together watch their childhood fly Chorus again. ********** I can certainly see why you think of Court and Spark when you listen to the arrangements on this album. Brian and I found the video in a store in Hamilton Ontario and watched it again for the first time in over thirty years. btw, he still his ticket stub and it cost $2.25 to see it!!! MagsnBrei Chorando6@aol.com wrote:hi all, I wanted to ask anyone if they know Elton johns sountrack to a film called 'Friends' and if they do...do they notice any similarities between it and Court and Spark. I can't exactly pin-point what makes them feel similar but to me something does. It's quite intriguing and if i were forced to an analysis i would say firstly its the instumentation and arrangements, but more than that and in some way less than that, cos i'm now about to be very vague indeed, they both have the same summery feel. They both sparkle in the same way.Eltons album is somewhat twee but there's something there that when i listen to one it reminds me of the other and when i listen to the other it reminds me of the other...one or should that be one without Other...whatever! Let me know if you know.xx Clive You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:01:28 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: court and spark I still have a copy of the friends sound track, though never noticed the similarities. I'll have to try these back to back when I get some free time. The song Honey roll is one of my favourites. DF - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: court and spark > hi all, > > I wanted to ask anyone if they know Elton johns sountrack to a film called > 'Friends' and if they do...do they notice any similarities between it and > Court and Spark. I can't exactly pin-point what makes them feel similar but > to me something does. It's quite intriguing and if i were forced to an > analysis i would say firstly its the instumentation and arrangements, but > more than that and in some way less than that, cos i'm now about to be very > vague indeed, they both have the same summery feel. They both sparkle in the > same way.Eltons album is somewhat twee but there's something there that when > i listen to one it reminds me of the other and when i listen to the other it > reminds me of the other...one or should that be one without > Other...whatever! Let me know if you know.xx Clive ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:34:28 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Travelogue Best and worst.... Slouching is the one that has been grabbing me since I first played it. I've had a hard time getting into Woodstock. I've always loved Joni's use of guitar. The interplay of her voice with the guitar and I'm kind of missing that on Woodstock.I will get past this bias at some point I'm sure and actually here what she's trying to do. DF - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Headon" To: "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Travelogue Best and worst.... > Hi > > I am really enjoying travelogue my 3 favourites are > 1 Dawnteader A really great atmospheric filling out of a simpler early > song > 2 Cheroke louise Great just Great even better than the exvellent earlier > version > 3 You dream flat tires swings so well > > Least Favourite > 1 Woodstock a heavy , almost leaden, version of such a song of great 70's > optimism. > > Other peoples views on their best and worst perhaps..... > > > Best wishes, > > Paul Headon > Wales > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 02/12/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:53:19 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Replacements ROCK!! The place Mats I forgot about that. Westerberg has wrote a lot of the soundtrack to my life. I even went through the whole Wonderland theme park crap just to see them. The things I do for music. DF ----- Original Message ----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: chuty001@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Replacements ROCK!! In a message dated 12/07/2002 9:03:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, chuty001@hotmail.com writes: Are you a Replacements fan? I saw them a few times they were great. Oh hell yes!! The 'Mats were one of the brightest spots of the 80's...sadly they were a band out of time. But their stuff still rocks, and Westerberg's solo stuff is also all worthwhile. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:09:37 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Saskatoon gets cold in winter Growing up in rural Ontario there was not a whole lot to do in winter but go skating on the rivers and ponds. This song pretty much sums up how I feel every year about this time. DF - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Mulvey" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Saskatoon gets cold in winter > > Lori, Saskatoon's climate basically ranges from minus 40 C to plus 40 > > C. The norm is around minus 20 in the winter, and we have long > > winters - November until May sometimes. June is warmer, July and > > August are mid-30s, sometimes 40. September and October are the only > > months I would call normal (being from the UK). > > I guess what makes 'River' such a great song is not only the sense of > longing, but also the sense of *coooold*! I mean, if it was me, I could > have written, " I wish I had a river that I could sail away on". Or even > "float away on". But "skate away on"? Now that's genius. > > Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:17:34 -0500 From: us Subject: Re: Joni's statue place it near a river or lake, some cool water. include a window. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:50:53 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Joni's statue > place it near a river or lake, some cool water. > include a window. and a door ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:41:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: elton john/court & spark don't know that movie or song but i've said it before & i'll say it again, i think elton copped (how's that for a 60's phrase?) a whole lot from jackson browne's song 'song for adam' when he wrote 'candle in the wind' ... both melody & lyrics >>I wanted to ask anyone if they know Elton johns sountrack to a film called 'Friends' and if they do...do they notice any similarities between it and Court and Spark.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:36:00 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Happy Outcome to Annoying "Try This Quiz" Thingy (sjc) Hi Gang -- For the sole reason that both my sisters sent me the same annoying "Try this quiz, don't look ahead" type things *simultaneously*-- my sisters essentially never speak, and don't communicate on the internet, so this intrigued me -- I took it. It was typically pseudo-random, and two of the instructions were badly worded, etc., but since four of the things one was to list were songs - -- and guess what *I've* been listening to non-stop lately -- I thought i might share what came out. The two instructions that were vague asked merely for two people of the opposite sex, without mentioning that they were people one should actually know, not just know *of*: As a result, I apparently associate Martin Sheen with "Help Me" (he was on the TV as I took the quiz), and Tallulah Bankhead with "Be Cool". Rather apt, since although she usually appeared in control in public, Tallulah was reportedly a mess in real life. Now, the real stuff: The song that "said the most about my mind" was "Just Like This Train". Eerily on target. And the song that "said the most about my life" was -- I kid you not -- "Love"!!! Made my day. Love, :-) Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Joni's morbid little Christmas Does anyone think Joni might fulfill her "big orchestra" prophesy by recording an album of "morbid little Christmas songs" now that the other two are out of the way? In 1998 she mentioned she wanted to finish off her career with three "big band" albums: 1. an album of standards, 2. an album of covers of her own songs and, 3. an album of "morbid little Christmas songs." She's scored two out of three so far. Do you suspect that's next? Part of me is hoping that she has long since forgotten about this idea... Still, if it does go through, what songs of hers could fill an album's worth of morbid Christmas songs. There's River, there's Chinese Cafe (been done), there's Face Lift and what else? I'm hoping against hope that she has scrapped this notion but for the sake of morbidity, shall we flesh out a possible track listing? - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:47:42 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: the hole in her stockings <> I agree with you! Besides the references from "All I Want" and "The Boho Dance" that others here have mentioned, Joni also wore: "Mama's nylons underneath my cowgirl jeans"! I really love it when the Joni only digests are so full of posts. I get extra treats in my mail box the same day! Mia (who's off to Fool's Paradise soon. I'll let you know if I see any dry cleaners from Des Moines!) _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:15:08 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: At first too depressing to listen to Listened to Travelogue once the day it was released and put it away. Waaaay too depressing to listen to given the emotional state I was in at the time. I mean, think about it, when was the last time you heard this many depressing topics dealt with on a CD? Terrorist attacks airplane crashes a life without love loss of 60's innocence a blood dimmed tide loosed upon the world innocence drowned in anarchy god making everything we dread and fear come true losing all taste for life starvation of the faithful crucifixion of the saints prosperity of the wicked breathtaking ignorance the emptiness of commercial success the shock of knowing you really have no one having no one to give your love to greed lust gas leaks oil spills sex as a mortally dangerous act doctor's pills giving new ills getting buried by an avalanche of bills everyone hates everyone rapists in the pool kids packin guns ulcerated ozone skin cancer the massive mess we're in sex selling everything holding back tears perfection always denied thunderheads of judgement gravestones giving up one's child at her birth uranium mining tearing down landmarks paving over parks ripping off Indian land short sighted businessmen nothing lasts for long rape of a child drinking at home with the TV on dark cafe days sniping steadily snubbing snidely the loss of our dreams' grandeur the great sadness of our human consciousness of time Well yesterday, on a long car trip, I listened again. And again. There is greatness here. Still a lot of sadness (and anger), but great poetry and music. And the choices seem mostly right, given the times we're living through. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:44:55 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Travelogue as a single CD First, let me say I'm glad this is a two-CD set, since it's unlikely Joni would have picked the cuts I find to be the best. But what do you think of the following as a more intense and consistently brilliant single CD of Travelogue (with a different emotional arc): 1. You Dream Flat Tires 2. The Dawntreader 3. Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody 4.Hejira 5.Judgement of the Moon and Stars 6.Slouching Towards Bethlehem 7. The Sire of Sorrow 8. Sex Kills 9. For The Roses 10. Woodstock 11. God Must Be A Boogie Man 12. Be Cool 13. Love ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 02:02:58 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 8 1975: Joni ended her "tour" with the Rolling Thunder Revue today at Madison Square Garden in New York City. She performed four new songs during the five-hour concert. "Well, it looks like I'm here to fight someone tonight", she said, "I never knew that Bob Dylan was this big." - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 02:02:58 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 8 On December 8 the following items were published: 1975: "Folk Rock Stars Give Concert at Jersey Prison" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=869 1995: "Jackson's collapse upstages awards show" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=894 1996: "Both Sides, Later" - Los Angeles Times (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=144 1996: "Help for Joni in baby search " - Calgary Sun (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=90 1996: "Why Joni Mitchell has to find the little she gave away" - The Mail (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=582 2001: "Joni: some sides now" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Book) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=698 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #382 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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