From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #373 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 373 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hemlogue VLJC ["mike pritchard" ] Stauesque Joni [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski (little bit o' jc) [colin ] 2 Blue Questions [James Schidlowsky ] new Joni DVD ["Laurent Olszer" ] Unravelogue ["William" ] Re: 2 Blue Questions [Steve Polifka ] Re: Joni Bob ETC..... [Jerry Notaro ] Re: [Jerry Notaro ] Joni sings Broadway? ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: Joni sings Broadway? ["Christopher Treacy" ] I HOPE YOU ALL WATCHED PBS THE OTHER NIGHT!!! [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni sings Broadway? [FMYFL@aol.com] Regarding the apology [Little Bird ] The unambitious Canadian voice ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: new Joni DVD ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: new Joni DVD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: 2 Blue Questions [Randy Remote ] Re: new Joni DVD [Randy Remote ] overseas TV ad [Thomas Ross ] I'm back! ["Stephen Toogood" ] How to become a famous artist - URGENT! [Les Irvin ] Covers #35, Santa's got a brand new bag! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni sings Broadway? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni sings Broadway? ["Victor Johnson" ] Beside Herself - statue of Joni [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni [Les Irvin ] Re: new Joni DVD ["kakki" ] Second Strings Project [AzeemAK@aol.com] Joni Bob ETC..... ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni [Sarah Gibb ] new Joni DVD ["Kate Bennett" ] Looking for early unreleased Joni music [Doug ] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni [colin ] discussion opener [vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:21:06 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Hemlogue VLJC True. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: Hemlogue VLJC > I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you have not seen it yet. > True? > > > > Mike in Barcleona said, > >>>>>>>> > Why does this dialogue (no prizes for identifying it) spring to mind > whenever > I hear yet another comment about the mind-blowing packaging of Travelogue? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:10:36 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Stauesque Joni Dear all I am wondering about the style of the statue ...will it be a literal, lifelike representation or will it be something more adventurous.It will probably be really avant garde.....a statement of the new...I can see it already. Henry Moore is a bit old hat now but I can see one of those huge reclining figures with Joni's face on it. Maybe you could actually sit in it. Or something Rodin-esque. Or something Franklin Mint! Will it inspire ? ...ah hae ma doots. Gordon PS In answer to one of my rhetorical questions of an earlier post, I do believe in bad art. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:36:20 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski (little bit o' jc) >Yes, it's uncanny. LeeLee Sobiesky (correct spelling) has actually been >around on TV and movies for almost 10 years. > bilmey! She doesn't look very old at all. about 19. > > >LeeLee Sobiesky is the young Helen Hunt. > >-Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 05:33:38 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Joni Bob ETC..... Hey all...Here is my take...First of all Bob was gorgeous in his younger years(Jakob is a carbon copy)He didnt get bad lookin until the 70s imho...I think they would have hooked up best in the begining of their respective careers..Both fresh, creative as hell...Oh yeah I kept hearing all this about dan fogelberg and im not too familiar with him but after lookin at a pic of him I would like to be familiar :) .. i mean im sure hes aged a bit but as Cher says If I could turn back time..whatta handsome man ok enough of that...Did anyone else notice that in the W magazine article they say that the PBS Doc will be in march I wish they would make up their minds so I can circle my calendar obsessivly...I thought the article was nice almost funny at times and I think shes right about Judy Collins, dont hate me! she sings great, she just makes a livin rippin off other peoples songs and Im sick of these as seen on tv cd collections for "singer songwriters" havin ms collins singin BSN...maybe im bein harsh cause she really can sing, I know there are alotta fans of hers on the list so i dont mean to offend... I also feel that Leonard Cohen songs are best interpreted by Leonard.. maybe im a purist or maybe im a b*tch...who knows...Hope you all are doin fabulous!! Have a great day****KEvin***** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:49:49 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice In a message dated 04/12/2002 01:00:27 GMT Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: << I think what Joni meant by "unambitious" is that it's not trying to be something it's not, intentionally trying to rouse a reaction by infusing the voice with mock emotion or pretty trills. Celine and Streisand really put on a huge vocal show, a sound that is quite different from their speaking voices. There is a bit of pretense to it, I guess - at least in Joni's view. > > I don't know if that's what Joni meant Andrew, but it makes perfect sense now! That would be an interesting question: which singer's singing voices are least like their speaking voices? Anyone remember Jennifer Rush, who had a monster hit in the mid 80s with The Power Of Lurve? She had this big, plummy singing style, and I almost choked on my cornflakes when I heard her interviewed on the radio - she sounded like Minnie Mouse! Then there's Sandy Dillon, who has a perfectly normal speaking voice, yet, when she sings, sounds like Tom Waits's long-lost sister with a bad case of tonsilitis. I kinda like her, but the few people I know who've heard her stuff find her voice unbearably affected, which it may indeed be. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:55:30 +0000 From: "Mickey Morose" Subject: Instrumentation on Refuge of the Roads Is that a guitar? No guitarist is credited - Joni's not playing guitar on this, is she? or is ti picked violin strings? If so, its damned fine picking. I just love this version of Refuge, which I got into first because it plays when I look at the art gallery - a great idea. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:29:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Instrumentation on Refuge of the Roads In a message dated 12/4/2002 5:57:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, topmickey@hotmail.com writes: > Is that a guitar? No guitarist is credited - Joni's not playing guitar on > this, is she? or is ti picked violin strings? Sounds like a harp to me. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:19:13 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Washington Post review http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6066-2002Dec3.html Joni Mitchell Gets Back to the Garden By Richard Harrington Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, December 4, 2002; Page C01 Fortunately, Joni Mitchell has backed off recent assertions that her new album, "Travelogue," would be her last. "I'm quitting after this, because the business has made itself so repugnant to me," Mitchell, 59, had told W magazine. "What would I do? Show my [breasts]? Grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a choreographer? It's not my world." The commercial pop world -- which has become crasser and coarser over the three-plus decades of Mitchell's career -- has never been hers. A passionately beguiling blend of literate poetics and exploratory music, her work has always deserved better, but given today's marketplace, "Travelogue" was surely going to be a tough sell. And Mitchell's approach to the project may not help matters. Two years ago, the lushly orchestral "Both Sides Now" offered Mitchell's take on American standards, including two of her own (the title track and "A Case of You"). That album wasn't just an evocative exploration of popular song but a celebration of Mitchell's mature voice, one deepened by a lifetime of experience (and, sadly, decades of smoking). Her instrument has gradually evolved from the reedy soprano of the late '60s to today's wearily elegant contralto, evoking a viola or muted trumpet. "Both Sides Now," as well as Mitchell's infrequent concert performances, suggested she was intent on exploring fresh meanings to old songs. On the two-disc, 22-track "Travelogue," Mitchell reconsiders her entire catalogue, drawing from 12 of her 15 studio albums. She's helped once again by Vincent Mendoza conducting the 70-piece London Symphony Orchestra in his own evocative and empathetic arrangements. These days, Mitchell is all chanteuse, leaving the playing to others. Guests such as saxophonist Wayne Shorter and keyboard player Herbie Hancock pep up some of the jazzier tracks, but mostly add texture to Mendoza's symphonic strings, brass and winds. Like Bob Dylan riffling through his back pages, Mitchell and Mendoza rearrange her songs in such a way that few replicate the originals. While some gain emotive and interpretive depth from their reworkings, several are clumsily re-imagined. Case in point: "Woodstock" is slowed to a funereal pace that subverts the original meaning and spirit of the song, replacing fragile celebration with weary melancholy. Mitchell seems to distance herself from the past, now singing, "I know we're stardust / I think we're golden." Thirty-three years ago, she was more confident in her generation's humanity. Mitchell has never shied away from social critiques, but there's little of that here, apart from the taut jazz snap of "Sex Kills"; "Cherokee Louise," a sharp sketch of a troubled foster child; and the plaintive "The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song)," in which Job rails against a heartless God, demanding to know "what have I done to you / that you make everything I dread / and everything I fear come true?" A few too many arrangements proceed at a glacial tempo that abandons the rhythmic intricacies of the originals, and Mendoza's string settings sometimes slip toward lugubriousness, making the material more somber than it warrants. Thankfully, there is an occasional burst of jazzy brass: Joni as bebop priestess on "You Dream Flat Tires" or swaggering hipster on "Be Cool." But too much of the album -- from song choice to interpretive decision -- feels like a portentous final testament. "Judgment of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune)" is less about Beethoven than Mitchell's lifelong "solitary path." When she intones, "They're going to aim the hoses on you / You show them you won't expire / not till you burn up every passion," it's obvious the song has become a career statement. Another early work, "The Circle Game," takes on the bittersweet character of the previous album's version of "Both Sides Now." Having ridden the carousel of time through constant transformation and discovery, Mitchell is more convincing than ever when conceding that "we can't return, we can only look behind from where we came / and go round and round and round in the circle game." Looking back with the eyes of hard-won experience makes the ride that much more rewarding. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:20:09 -0800 (PST) From: James Schidlowsky Subject: 2 Blue Questions Greetings. 1. on the cover of Blue, what's that on joni's chin? I've checked the archives, and someone has already asked this, but never got an answer. 2. on the CD version, in the song "This Flight Tonight", there are 2 areas where there is a little scratchy distortion (one at around 1:14 where she sings "mythical", and another little one around "starbright, you got...". was this on the original vinyl, or have they done a bad job on the CD? - -- james. ===== zzz zZz James skycrow@yahoo.com Montreal zzZ my self : http://pages.infinit.net/skycrow Quebec zZz my music: http://www.muzikaktiv.com Canada Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:58:56 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: new Joni DVD Saw a brand new DVD release at the store called "Under the Covers". The info says artists explain what behind the covers of their most famous recordings, that the DVD has plenty of music, home videos, rarities, etc. Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of 11 chapters are entitled: Woodstock, Joni. I couldn't find it at Amazon, has anybody seen it yet and could tell us whether this is any good? Also, I just purchased Dominic Miller "First Touch". He's famous for his work with Sting, but his solo work reveal a world of sensitivity and beauty, all on classical guitar. I wouldn't be surprised a bit if Joni went to his concert and/or tried to recruit him for her next project. He's that good. Can't wait to receive his 2nd CD "Second Nature". Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:24:43 -0000 From: "William" Subject: Unravelogue I can't go back there anymore He lives in another time Wave another day goodbye Red is angry green is jealous That was all she had to say Still I'll take a chance and see To see the place she's lately gotten to Then you got into funny scenes That all your work discloses Sometimes voices in the night will call me back again People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies But now it's just another show But the one man band By the quick lunch stand He was playing real good, for free I sing soprano in the upstairs choir Don't it always seem to go Don't it always seem to go Don't it always seem to go Don't it always seem to go But you know life is for learning So the years spin by Oh will you take me as I am I'm going to make a lot of money Then I'm going to quit this crazy scene But the songs you punched are dreaming Listen, they sing of love so sweet Just like Nat King Cole And you want to get moving And you want to stay still They toss around your latest golden egg Speculation-well, who's to know I really can't give up just yet They start bringing out the hammers And the boards And the nails She's got all the wrong fuses and splices You get bored so quick I'm going to tell you again now If you're still listening there Now you're thinking That's no substitute It just don't do it The gift goes on You can't please 'em all Caught in my struggle for higher achievements The band sounds like typewriters I went looking for some sweet inspiration, oh well He drifts off into the memory Calendars of our lives Critics of all expression No regrets Coyote But till you get there yourself you never really know But you still have your music In search of love and music My whole life has been I pay a high price for my open talking Anyway the best of my mind All goes down on the strings and the page Heed those trumpets all night long To cheap work and cheap thrills In memories Of old friends of mine We move in measures We're middle aged No demands Just pleasurable sensations I'm just sounding brass And tinkling cymbals I can't decide I don't know Which way to go? Tonight I'm going dancing With the drag queens and the punks Try another Land of short attention spans Mega lights and supersonic sounds People talk to tell you something She says I'm leavin' here but she don't go Recognize this? Isn't there some other way? Way back in 1957 Must I surrender With grace The things I loved when I was yonger One day I just disappeared Let me speak Once I was blessed I see the diggers waiting, they're leaning on their spades The old man is snoring And I'm taming the tiger Formula music, girly guile Genuine junkfood for juveniles I'm so sick of this game Life's too short, the whole thing's gotten Boring! Part of this is passing That's my very best to you ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:39:50 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: 2 Blue Questions At 04:20 AM 12/4/02 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings. > >1. on the cover of Blue, what's that on joni's chin? >I've checked the archives, and someone has >already asked this, but never got an answer. > It's a microphone- or the reflection off of it. Remember, this is (almost) a posterized pic of a (probable) Black & white shot. Don't know the answer to Q.#2. Steve >2. on the CD version, in the song "This Flight >Tonight", there are 2 areas where there is a >little scratchy distortion (one at around 1:14 >where she sings "mythical", and another little one >around "starbright, you got...". was this on the >original vinyl, or have they done a bad job on >the CD? > >-- james. > > > >===== >zzz >zZz James skycrow@yahoo.com Montreal >zzZ my self : http://pages.infinit.net/skycrow Quebec >zZz my music: http://www.muzikaktiv.com Canada >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:52:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Bob ETC..... Cactustree78@aol.com wrote: > Hey all...Here is my take...First of all Bob was gorgeous in his younger years(Jakob is a carbon copy) Are you still smokin' that Wacky Weed??????? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:00:36 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: William Chavez wrote: > >Bob > > >NP: Judy Collins, "Since You've Asked" > > God I love this song! I even doctored up the piano sheet music for this song > to include the clarinet part that was missing. > Will One of my all time favorites. I've sung it at dozens of weddings. It's the perfect love song. Jerry NP: Jeff Buckley - Hallelujah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:04:15 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Joni sings Broadway? This appeared in today's NY Post: December 4, 2002 -- IT'S the most famous song from "Man of La Mancha" and arguably one of the most famous ever written. It's earned a few million in royalties, and has been recorded and interpreted by a wide array of performers: Frank Sinatra (anthem), Joni Mitchell (folk), Andre Kostelanetz (Muzak), Robert Goulet (lounge), Jim Nabors (bad). And it took no more than a half-hour to write. "I got the lyric in the afternoon, went over to my apartment - I was living at 40 E. 78th St. at the time - sat down at the piano and just wrote it," says 74-year-old composer Mitch Leigh of his biggest hit, "The Impossible Dream." Anyone know anything about this? It's a typo, right? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:37:09 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Joni sings Broadway? It's slipshard reporting...he probably did a search and Joni came up because of 'Impossible Dreamer'. Nobody does real research anymore. - -Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL PETERSON" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: Joni sings Broadway? > This appeared in today's NY Post: > > December 4, 2002 -- > > IT'S the most famous song from "Man of La Mancha" and arguably one of the > most famous ever written. > > It's earned a few million in royalties, and has been recorded and > interpreted by a wide array of performers: Frank Sinatra (anthem), Joni > Mitchell (folk), Andre Kostelanetz (Muzak), Robert Goulet (lounge), Jim > Nabors (bad). > > And it took no more than a half-hour to write. > > "I got the lyric in the afternoon, went over to my apartment - I was living > at 40 E. 78th St. at the time - sat down at the piano and just wrote it," > says 74-year-old composer Mitch Leigh of his biggest hit, "The Impossible > Dream." > > > Anyone know anything about this? It's a typo, right? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:38:27 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: I HOPE YOU ALL WATCHED PBS THE OTHER NIGHT!!! There was a folk singers concert on public television monday night and there was a mention of Joni.They said they would show a concert of Joni next year.They showed a clip of Joni singing a song from her first album back in the 60's.she sounded wonderful. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:44:43 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni sings Broadway? In a message dated 12/4/2002 11:37:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, whizzboom@attbi.com writes: > It's slipshard reporting...he probably did a search and Joni came up because > of 'Impossible Dreamer'. Nobody does real research anymore. > -Chris > Thank goodness for that. I hate the song "The Impossible Dream", and I'd have a hissy fit if Joni ever sings it (even in the shower by herself :~) ) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:13:14 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Regarding the apology No need to apologize, Mags. I didn't think you were being crabby. I actually love Leonard Cohen, Neil Young and, of course, Joni Mitchell, BECAUSE of their plain voices. I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I wasn't slagging them, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek and self-deprecating. As I said before, Canadians are the first to poke fun at themselves. Leonard Cohen once joked at the Juno Awards that Canada is the only place on earth he'd get an award for "Best Male Vocal Performance." So, I don't accept your apology because it isn't needed, my dear! :-) No hard feelings. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:30:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The unambitious Canadian voice i missed that statement & i do understand what she is saying but i just wish she wouldn't say it in that way cuz it really dilutes her point...i know she has a tendency to generalize & that gets her into trouble... kakki >>Joni also said in the interview "I haven't heard a girl singer who wasn't trying way too hard in 20 years." and "I'd rather have it be emotionally correct than have some great vocal athlete tear it up on it."<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: new Joni DVD There was a UK book from about a year ago, from the publishers of some music magazine. (Q?) Anyway, they posted a request here on the JMDL for info on the cover of THOSL, if I recall. I think they printed the demo cover and some text based on JMDL input and what they looked up in the STARART book. If they put the info on a DVD, like a photo gallery, I doubt that they got an interview out of Joni. She doesn't look back much. Lama - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Saw a brand new DVD release at the store called > "Under the Covers". The info > says artists explain what behind the covers of their > most famous recordings, > that the DVD has plenty of music, home videos, > rarities, etc. > Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of > 11 chapters are entitled: > Woodstock, Joni. > I couldn't find it at Amazon, has anybody seen it > yet and could tell us > whether this is any good? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:21:51 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: new Joni DVD In a message dated 12/4/2002 8:58:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of 11 chapters are entitled: > Woodstock, Joni. > I couldn't find it at Amazon, has anybody seen it yet and > could tell us > whether this is any good? Laurent, this is the Henry Diltz CD-rom that's been discussed here from time to time. I haven't seen it, I think it was Randy who saw it and said the Joni bits were pretty cool. It's a constant item on E-Bay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1976755679 Hope that helps, Bob NP: Shawn, "Get Out Of This House" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:27:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: 2 Blue Questions #1 As Steve said, it is a microphone. There is a small B&W version of this photo on the PBS site at http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_homepage.html #2 This scratchy distortion must be on the master tapes, as it has appeared on every version of "Blue" There are several examples of it on the album. I used to have a list of them all, but can't find it. There are 6 or 10 of them on various songs. My guess is that they were caused by a faulty mic preamp. They either went unnoticed, or they knew they were there, but the performances were so powerful they just decided to leave them in. RR > At 04:20 AM 12/4/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Greetings. > > > >1. on the cover of Blue, what's that on joni's chin? > >I've checked the archives, and someone has > >already asked this, but never got an answer. > > > > It's a microphone- or the reflection off of it. Remember, this is (almost) > a posterized pic of a (probable) Black & white shot. > > Don't know the answer to Q.#2. > > Steve > > >2. on the CD version, in the song "This Flight > >Tonight", there are 2 areas where there is a > >little scratchy distortion (one at around 1:14 > >where she sings "mythical", and another little one > >around "starbright, you got...". was this on the > >original vinyl, or have they done a bad job on > >the CD? > > > >-- james. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:33:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: new Joni DVD SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/2002 8:58:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > > > Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of 11 chapters are entitled: > > Woodstock, Joni. > > I couldn't find it at Amazon, has anybody seen it yet and > > could tell us > > whether this is any good? > > Laurent, this is the Henry Diltz CD-rom that's been discussed here from time to time. I haven't seen it, I think it was Randy who saw it and said the Joni bits were pretty cool. I haven't seen the CD-rom (Kakki?) but I did see the televised version of it a year or two ago. Diltz was the insider photog who hung with CSN&Y and the LA gang. The program is excellent if you are into that late 60's scene. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:52:12 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: overseas TV ad 'Comin' Down Xmas' sung by male, nice voice. A heart-twanger perhaps for the wrong reasons: pay us to reach our men overseas . . have you seen/heard it? anyway the original is a killer. I actually have skated away on Monument Creek in my hometown, Colorado Springs. Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:02:36 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: I'm back! Hi guys, Steve here, I had to leave the list a couple of months ago when I moved out but I'm back now (yay) thanks to Chris Marshall. Such a great guy. Hope some of you remember me! I am so into Trav. Every song on it is listenable and some I would say I prefer than the originals. She's done it again. I hope she doesn't mean it when she says she isn't making another album. I bet you've all given your thoughts on the new album but if you'd like to give them again... Oh and isn't the art-work stuning? So what have I missed? STEVE T (amelio747) N.P: 'Hejira' (Trav vers) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:04:55 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: How to become a famous artist - URGENT! Hey artists! Where are you all??? There is an opportunity sitting on a silver platter in front of you and no one has responded! Right now, today, this minute... the Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself committee needs an artist to help design a poster that will be plastered all over North America (well, maybe not ALL over...) promoting the campaign to raise funds for the statue. Ultimately, there's a good chance that this artist will, in turn, help design the actual statue. If you are remotely interested, please at least send a link to some of your artwork - any of your artwork - to this address . It need not be Joni-related right now, we just want to see a representation of what you can do. Please do it now as this opportunity is quickly slipping away. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:02:21 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #35, Santa's got a brand new bag! OK, so I'm late with announcing this month's JMDL tribute cd, #35 in the (n)ever-popular series...but here's the rundown. First, let me thank those kind souls who helped me round up these recordings: Pearl Weisberg David Lahm My kid sister, Chris (not a JMDL'er but a real pal nonetheless!) Now, on to the tunes: Jonathon King - Free Man In Paris: Most famous for his hit "Everyone's Gone to the Moon", sounds like Davey Jones from The Monkees. The Yale Spizzwinks - The Circle Game: Very pretty male acapella chorus from the early 70's. Brad Swanson - Both Sides Now: Ya just gotta love this roller rink version! It is the cheesiest ever but I LOVE it, reminds me of a Lowrie Genie commercial. Madeline MacNeil - Michael From Mountains: Her Urge For Going was on an earlier volume, I'm not crazy about her vocal but her hammer dulcimer playing is very nice. Ted Lehman - Woodstock/Big Yellow Taxi: This is great live bar-brand rock and roll! The girl singing Woodstock sounds like Janis, so if you ever wondered what a Janis cover of a Joni tune would sound like, you gotta check this out. Oddly enough, the BYT sounds very different. Anyway, this is a great 10-minute plus epic opus. Jo Collins - Carey: From Ireland, this one a touch of Celtic in it...very pretty. The Allan Sisters - Both Sides Now: Remember The Allan Sisters? Me neither. Gini & Dr. Joe - Tin Angel: Gini is a NY cabaret singer. Again, I'm not too keen on the vocal, but I love the fact that they tackle such a lesser-done song, and the piano accompaniment is fine. Eric van Aro - Nathan La Franeer: This one's just out this year, again an obscure song, and a very different interpretation. Leora Cashe - I Don't Know Where I Stand: GREAT jazz version! And you can hear it at: http://www.leoracashe.com/ The Dutch Canadian Choir of Calgary - Both Sides Now: It's Dutch! It's Canadian! It's 2...2...two countries in 1! Eddie From Ohio - Big Yellow Taxi: Another JMDL-only treat! From a live recording, unreleased from this Virginia group. Mimi Fox - Joni Mitchell Medley: Man Oh Man!! You acoustic guitarists (and everyone else I would think) would love this one, as Mimi plucks her way through a gorgeously executed medley of Blue, All I Want, Woodstock...this one's a real gem. Jerry Granelli/Jamie Saft - Rainy Night House: From another 2002 release, this is a very dark version...but then again RNH is sort of a dark song. Nina - Both Sides Now: Ever heard of Nina? Me neither, but at least she's a pretty Scandinavian! Lesley Olsher - Little Green: Lesley is actually a cousin (?) of our own Laurent. While I like the instrumentation here, the vocal gets really helium-like, making it hard to fully enjoy. Laura Canoura - La Ultima Vez Que Vi A Richard: If there's another Uraguayan Joni cover, I don't know of it. This one is pretty nice, Laura gives it a very dramatic reading. Doogie White - This Flight Tonight: From the Nazareth Tribute cd! Doesn't sound much different from the other metal TFT covers. Caterina Valente - Both Sides Now: A pretty version...interesting bit o' Joni cover trivia, Caterina's son is none other than Eric van Aro, the singer of track # 9. So that's this month's issue...a mixed bag, like all of them. Bob NP: Shawn, "Polaroids" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni sings Broadway? My best guess: When researching for the article, a word search on "impossible dream" returned Joni as a singer because of "Impossible Dreamer". What do I win? Lama > This appeared in today's NY Post: > IT'S the most famous song from "Man of La Mancha" > and arguably one of the > most famous ever written. > > It's earned a few million in royalties, and has been > recorded and > interpreted by a wide array of performers: Frank > Sinatra (anthem), Joni > Mitchell (folk), Andre Kostelanetz (Muzak), Robert > Goulet (lounge), Jim > Nabors (bad). > Anyone know anything about this? It's a typo, right? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:43:5 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni sings Broadway? > My best guess: When researching for the article, a > word search on "impossible dream" returned Joni as a > singer because of "Impossible Dreamer". What do I > win? > > Lama a herd of alpacas??? Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:43:12 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Beside Herself - statue of Joni Gordon, when Joni was interivewed, she said she wanted to see a lifelike statue, as she's been caricatured/interpreted so often. So we thought we'd go with that. I think if there already was a lifelike statue of her here in Saskatoon, it might be fun to raise money for something more adventurous. But given that there isn't, and that she started her career here, I think we need something likelike so everyone can clearly see it's her. I was thinking of something tranquil, where people could sit and gather their thoughts - - near the river underneath a weeping willow or something. Don't know whether that will be possible as a lot lies with the city council, what they will allow, and how much money we can raise. Joni said she'd like to see a park bench with a figure of herself at one end of it, so that people can sit next to her. Someone else on the list said this kind of thing had been done too often, but we don't have one in Saskatoon. But it's early days yet - we still need to raise the money. I'm from Glasgow myself originally, Gordon. :-) >Sarah Gibb >How to donate to The Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself Fund The name of the bank account is Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, and it's with the CIBC, Main Branch, Saskatoon. >To transfer funds from outside Canada, the bank reference number is >00018-010-4220439. The first five digits are the transit number, >the second three are the sort code, and the last seven are the >account number. The name of the account is Joni Mitchell's Beside >Herself, and it's with the CIBC, Main Branch, Saskatoon. > >For those inside Canada, go to any CIBC branch and ask to transfer >money to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, CIBC, Main Branch, >Saskatoon. > >You can also send a check or money order in any currency from any >country made payable to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself to: > >Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself >CIBC >201-21st Street East >Saskatoon, SK >S7K 0B8 >Canada THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT! >Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:10:36 +0000 >From: Gordon Mackie >Subject: Stauesque Joni > >Dear all > >I am wondering about the style of the statue ...will it be a literal, >lifelike representation or will it be something more adventurous.It >will probably be really avant garde.....a statement of the new...I >can see it already. Henry Moore is a bit old hat now but I can see >one of those huge reclining figures with Joni's face on it. Maybe you >could actually sit in it. Or something Rodin-esque. Or something >Franklin Mint! > >Will it inspire ? > >...ah hae ma doots. > > >Gordon > >PS In answer to one of my rhetorical questions of an earlier post, I >do believe in bad art. > >------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:20:47 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni > I think we need something likelike so everyone can clearly see it's her. Here's a question: Should the statue be holding or smoking a cigarette? Although I don't (usually) smoke, it might be fun to "have a cig" with Joni. : ) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:25:28 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: Travelling log Just a quick check in... I've been consultant in charge of hammering up and down motorways of late. So, Travelogue then. It's rather better than I dared hope, given that BSN failed utterly to excite me. I've only managed to give it one go through so far, and that was lying in bed, knackered, listening on headphones. I'm going to find some alcohol, and crank it up on my big hi-fi now that I'm home, and see what it does with a bit more space to breathe. I nattered to Steve T earlier, and he pointed out something which struck me as so true: Tlog stands a very good chance of making some of her 80s material far more accessible to some of us than it ever was in its original form. This has to be a Good Thing[tm]. And I am sooo impressed with the artwork, nifty picturebook and lyric book. Very creative, and it'd be perfect if I hadn't already managed to knacker up the cardboard sleeve it all comes in. Arse! But, all in all, colour me gently pleased with it all. And, oh my god, if I can be crude and cheeky, I think it'll make great music to accompany night-time bedular olympics. :-) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:23:44 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni At 12/4/2002 04:20 PM, Lori Fye wrote: >Here's a question: Should the statue be holding or smoking a >cigarette? It would be somewhat tacky but absolutely authentic! Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:30:52 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: new Joni DVD > I haven't seen the CD-rom (Kakki?) but I did see the televised > version of it a year or two ago. Diltz was the insider photog who > hung with CSN&Y and the LA gang. The program is excellent if > you are into that late 60's scene. I have the CD-R which I adore (it has the same kind of magic as Joni's T-log packaging) and also saw the film on PBS. I don't have the DVD but understand that it is a greater, expanded version of the PBS film (which was also available on video). I first met him around the time he was getting the PBS show ready and he said he was unearthing all kinds of never before shown photos of Joni and other artists. If Laurent can get the DVD for $1.00 on eBay, he should go for it! Henry lived on Joni's street in Laurel Canyon back in the day (as did the incredible Dan Fogelberg) - I found this little bit about his days there and how he switched from musician to photographer at this link: http://www.rediscovermusic.com/wwwboard/messages/1148.htm Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:41:54 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Second Strings Project APOLOGIES TO JONI-ONLIES - NJC But I hope you'll see why I didn't label it thus... I've just had my regular email from Darryl Purpose's web list, and it includes information about this fantastic project, so simple and so life-enhancing. I can't remember anyone mentioning this on the list, and as there are so many guitarists on the list (including on the joni-only section), I thought I must post this link. The opening paragraph is below, followed by the URL. << Merrick, NY, July 28, 1999: Singer/Songwriter, Darryl Purpose, and activist Kevin Deame announced the formation of The Second Strings Project, a campaign to collect and distribute used guitar strings to needy musicians throughout the world. This effort will help keep musical creativity alive in countries that might otherwise die. >> http://www.darrylpurpose.com/etc/strings.htm Azeem in London NP: Gemma Hayes - Ran For Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:09:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni Bob ETC..... >>Judy Collins, dont hate me! she sings great, she just makes a livin rippin off other peoples songs<<< ain't know rippin off songs goin on here cuz joni & other songwriters are benefitting financially from judy covering their work - more than judy is...but i agree, i almost always prefer the songwriters' own version better than those who cover it... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:13:07 -0700 From: Sarah Gibb Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni Lori, I don't smoke either. In fact, I have asthma, so I can't abide cigarettes. But this is so much of a trademark with Joni Mitchell that we may have to have a smoking statue. Or maybe we could give her a guitar so that her hands are busy. :-) Sarah At 3:20 PM -0800 12/04/2002, Lori Fye wrote: > > I think we need something likelike so everyone can clearly see it's >her. > >Here's a question: Should the statue be holding or smoking a >cigarette? Although I don't (usually) smoke, it might be fun to "have >a cig" with Joni. > >: ) > >Lori > >~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:35:20 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: new Joni DVD don't think its that new, i got mine about a year ago from henry diltz when he was touring with his photos & just the other night watched it for the first time (woohoo, we finally got a dvd player!), really enjoyed it...some great old footage of bands as well as henry's excellent photos & stories also, they talk about the blue photo...yes it was originally b&w like steve said >>Saw a brand new DVD release at the store called "Under the Covers". The info says artists explain what behind the covers of their most famous recordings, that the DVD has plenty of music, home videos, rarities, etc. Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of 11 chapters are entitled: Woodstock, Joni.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:26:25 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Looking for early unreleased Joni music Hi All. I'm new to the list. I've recently learned of the existence of her unreleased songs. Can anyone help me find them? Especially the Second Fret CD's. At age 12 the first LP record I ever bought was Clouds, my sister already had Song to a Seagull. They are still two of my favorite albums. She lost me with her jazz experiments but I've been re-captured with Travelogue-a beautiful and rich recording. If it is her last album (I hope not), it certainly is a classy way to go. Doug Ontario Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:40:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni I think a statue of Joni holding a fag would be great..... Lori Fye wrote: >>I think we need something likelike so everyone can clearly see it's >> >> >her. > >Here's a question: Should the statue be holding or smoking a >cigarette? Although I don't (usually) smoke, it might be fun to "have >a cig" with Joni. > >: ) > >Lori > >~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:47:50 -0500 From: vince Subject: discussion opener as an opener on discussing what the nation and wolrd face: t r u t h o u t | Perspective Thursday, 10 October, 2002 By William Rivers Pitt The sun may well rise tomorrow and find this article irrelevant. The Congressional decision train, bound for Bush's war on Iraq, very well may have already left the station. A goodly number of Democrats, and virtually every Republican in the House and Senate appear to have made up their minds on the matter, well in advance of the expected Thursday night vote to approve or alter Bush's resolution for war. Still, it is important for this information to be known. For the record: There is no case for war in Iraq. There is no proof whatsoever that Saddam Hussein poses a threat to America or his neighbors. The marvelously absurd Catch-22 we have heard so often is that Hussein is a mortal threat, and yet will be a pushover in battle. There is no proof that Hussein retains any functional aspect of the chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs that were totally dismantled and destroyed by the UNSCOM weapons inspectors from 1991 through 1998. Repeated attempts by the United Nations to reinsert more inspectors have been spurned by the Bush administration in favor of combat. Back in 1991, when Hussein had vast stockpiles of these weapons, he did not use them when American forces were bulldozing through his country. When he fired SCUD missiles into Israel, there was no mustard gas or other chemical agent attached to the nose comes, and there could very well have been. The only time Saddam Hussein has used these weapons was during the 1980s, while in the paid employ of the American government under Reagan, which gave him most of the stuff in the first place. Should an American army arrive in downtown Baghdad, however, and should the dire rhetorical salvos of the Bush administration prove correct, American solders may come face to face with botulinin toxin. You can put Israel on the firing line right next to G.I. Joe. The irony is rich, wretched and deadly: Hussein only used these weapons when he was a vassal of America, after receiving these weapons from America, never against Americans, and may only actually use them against America - in the rare chance he still possesses them - if we invade. The idea that Hussein has connections to al Qaeda terrorists is laughable; Hussein is a secular dictator who has crushed Islamic fundamentalism for 30 years. Bin Laden and al Qaeda despise him and want him dead. Hussein would sooner stick his face into a running chainsaw as give weapons of any kind to al Qaeda, because the end result of either action would be the same. The concept of bringing democracy to Iraq through war, proffered by the Bush administration, is a joke. Democracy in the western sense means majority rule, and the majority in Iraq is comprised of Shiite Muslims who are ideologically and theocratically aligned with the extremist mullahs in Iran. The rest of the Iraqi population is comprised of Kurds, who will not be allowed to rule Iraq or anything else because of Turkey, and by the Sunnis, from whose vicious tribal politics came Saddam Hussein. Democracy in Iraq is a concept that terrifies our allies in the region, most notably Saudi Arabia. Given the fact that the House of Saud appears to have great management control over the House of Bush, it is profoundly unlikely that anything resembling democracy will ever come to exist in Iraq through this loomingprocess. Whomever rules there after the 'regime change' will be as bad as Hussein, or worse. Bush's resolution speaks of making war on the "region," not just Iraq, thus giving him legal cover for total war upon the entire Middle East. This is the passionate dream of the extremist neo-conservative hawks within the Bush administration who are actually running American foreign policy and the War on Terror: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. The resolution for war as it now stands is nothing more or less than a legal blessing to extend eternal war across the planet. George W. Bush is not running this government, and this war is not just about Iraq. It is about oil, and it is about power. Nowhere in this is anything having to do with the protection and well-being of American citizens. Should we attack Iraq with the purpose of removing Saddam Hussein, there will be no easy repeat of the Gulf War. American troops will face house-to-house combat in the streets of Baghdad, a city of five million people. One former combat general interviewed on a cable news station predicted the possibility of American casualties amounting to a battalion a day. In order to prosecute this urban war, Baghdad will have to be 'reduced' via aerial bombardment and artillery, which is likely to cause tens of thousands of civilian deaths. The resulting outrage - termed the 'Al Jazeera effect' after the Arabic news station that will broadcast the shattered bodies of Iraqi civilians all across the Middle East - will spawn new and more horrible terrorist attacks on our shores. Last, but not least, it is painfully obvious to any clear-headed person that the Bush administration has pushed this war to remove Enron, Harken, Halliburton, Arthur Andersen and the woeful state of our economy and the stock market off the front pages and out of TV news rotation. Andrew Card, the White House Chief of Staff, looks at his President in terms of marketing. In fact, he was quoted last August as saying that the administration would not bring up war against Iraq at that point, because August is a bad time to introduce new products. No one can deny that this Iraq issue was sprung as a trap to snare Congressional Democrats, and their followers, in an enraged tailspin that would serve to blast the terrible economic news out of mainstream view. The fact that this political trap is matched by a very real intention within the Bush administration to go to war only magnifies the reality of the dangerous times we live in. Many are ready to throw up their hands and give up on the Democrats, who appear poised to hand Bush everything he wants on this matter. This is the final aspect of the trap, timed to create disgust within the Democratic electorate on the eve of the all-important mid-term elections. The Thursday vote on war with Iraq may well come out wrong in the minds of many Americans. Let the above stand in the record; they have heard all this before, and if they vote for war in the face of the data, they will have some tall explaining to do when the deal goes down. Do not, however, forget who started this mess in the first place. The Bush administration is pushing for war as a political tactic and as a means to wrap their arms around the petroleum available. When voting day comes on November 5th, remember that. A Bush administration with control of the House, Senate and Supreme Court would be a menace on a level we have not to date experienced, and that is saying something. Remember that, too. - ------- William Rivers Pitt is a teacher from Boston, MA. He is the author of two books - "War On Iraq" (with Scott Ritter) available now from Context Books, and "The Greatest Sedition is Silence," available in April 2003 from Pluto Press. An eye for an eye will only serve to make the whole world blind. - --Mahatma Gandhi ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #373 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)