From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #372 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 372 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? [Eric W Taylor ] Hemlogue VLJC ["mike pritchard" ] travelogue ground breaking ["Paul Headon" ] From Yahoo News ["Moni Kellermann" ] First impressions of T ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? [Jerry Notaro ] Review from CD Now [Little Bird ] T-log: a big picture? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? [Eric W Taylor ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice ["chuty001" ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice [Little Bird ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice ["kakki" ] Joni /Judy & men falling asleep-common dilemma ["William Chavez" ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] Re: A JMDL Thanksgiving [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski (little bit o' jc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: A JMDL Thanksgiving ["Mark or Travis" ] PBS special in May 03 is on track. ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] JM website ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Slouching Towards Bethlehem and Love on T'log! [Lazyasz@aol.com] Today in History: December 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)"] Hemlogue VLJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:35:12 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Erica wrote: << I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? >> Jerry wrote: << Have you ever seen him? I mean, compared to James Taylor, Jackson Browne, and Graham Nash there was no contest! >> That was my first thought! I've always thought Joni & Dan Fogelberg would make a great couple. ET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:55:41 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: My dream Travelogue tour! Little Bird wrote: << The concert opens with the single-note pounding of the piano, heralding the middle instrumental section of Paprika Plains. >> I couldn't agree more but I would only add that Joni was at the piano & sang the complete lyrics we have yet to hear! I dweem~ Act I: Overture: Paprika Plains Otis & Marlena Amelia You Dream Flat Tires Love Slouching Toward Bethlehem Sire of Sorrow Passion Play (intermission) Act II: Refuge of the Roads Chinese Cafe The Last Time I Saw Richard The Dawntreader Hejira Borderline Sex Kills Coyote (why wasn't this included on T'log???) (encore) Turbulent Indigo ET NP: Best of U2 1990-2000 remixes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:04:13 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Hemlogue VLJC Reporter: He's God! I mean, this man is God! He's got millions of followers who would crawl all the way across the world just to touch the hem of his garment. Alvy: Really? It must be a tremendous hem. Why does this dialogue (no prizes for identifying it) spring to mind whenever I hear yet another comment about the mind-blowing packaging of Travelogue? mike in bcn NPIMH '200 years' - Henrik Ibsen/Henry Gibson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:44:53 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: travelogue ground breaking hi This is unclassifiable music. It is the most enigmatic of Joni's work IMHO. her voice, like it or not, that phrasing is sublime. I LOVE this album and if it doesn't get Grammy nominated I will be astounded. Does it miss this years nomination cycle?. If it does all the better as I think it will have more time to be absorbed and appreciated for next year :-). Did I say I LOVE this album ?. I have been a Joni Mitchell fan for 33 years and never has a CD ( or LP :-)) sounded so complete a piece of work as this one does. The orchestra and the others seem to be in total sympathy with her voice. For years I have been waiting for an album of this quality without even knowing it. Now it is here I m cherishing it. After this any other CD is just music, this is like music only better :-) Did I say I LOVE this album? Best wishes, Paul Headon Wales. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:44:10 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: From Yahoo News Source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=87&u=/021202/143/2sm28.html&p rinter=1 Joni Mitchell Hopes To Release Documentary About New Album in 2003 (12/02/02, 5 p.m. ET) - Joni Mitchell may be talking about retiring from public life as an entertainer, but she's making a lot of noise before she goes. She's planning a 2003 release for a documentary about the making of her new--and final, she says--album, Travelogue, a set of orchestral rerecordings of some of her favorite material. Mitchell hired director Allison Anders (news) (Grace Of My Heart) and Alistair Donald (Paul McCartney (news)'s son-in-law and director of the Wingspan documentary) to film the album's recording sessions at George Martin's Air Studios in London. The footage captures not only Mitchell's performances with a 70-piece orchestra, but also behind-the-scenes discussions and even a fire at the studio that almost destroyed the master tapes for the album. Anders and Donald are currently editing the material they have, and Mitchell hopes to debut the finished product at next year's Sundance Film Festival (news - web sites). - --Gary Graff, Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:59:47 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: First impressions of T Hi Just like I wouldn't gulp down a chocolate mousse cake in 1 mouthful, I managed to listen to Cd1 in bits over 2 evenings. So far, the only 2 songs I truly like are the ones I didn't care for too much in their original version: Slouching and Sire of Sorrow. The new versions adds a lot to them IMO. I'm having a problem with the other songs because I like the originals so much that I can't help but noticing the negative points, mainly her voice and this "Joni made easy" orchestration. Hope the rest grows on me. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:19:32 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Eric W Taylor wrote: > > Jerry wrote: > > << Have you ever seen him? I mean, compared to James Taylor, Jackson > Browne, and Graham Nash there was no contest! >> > > That was my first thought! > I've always thought Joni & Dan Fogelberg would make a great > couple. > ET I had a similar thought, that Dan and I would make a great couple! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:43:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Kate Bennett wrote: > i think joni called him a little toad once...she said he had bad breath when > they had to share a mic onstage...lol...dylan may be talented but i don't > think he's very attractive (physically or personality wise) (hope bobby d > doesn't read this digest...) How that gorgeous Jakob ever came from him is a wonder. Jerry NP: Babs and Judy - Get Happy/Happy Days Are Here Again (gives me chills) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:00:04 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Dan Fogelberg is a doll!! I have always enjoyed his music...but not in the same league with Joni. (who is?) I wonder what Joni thinks of him ? Have they met? I think of the possibilities. Oh..and I have a special fondness because PART OF THE PLAN..was one of the first pop songs I played on the guitar. Though very poorly...it sticks with me always. Bree > > That was my first thought! > > I've always thought Joni & Dan Fogelberg would make a great > > couple. > > ET > >I had a similar thought, that Dan and I would make a great couple! > >Jerry _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:06:46 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Joni did a 'vocal descant on his song 'Nexus' which is on 'The Innocent Age' double lp. At 11:00 AM 12/3/02 -0500, you wrote: >Dan Fogelberg is a doll!! I have always enjoyed his music...but not in the >same league with Joni. (who is?) I wonder what Joni thinks of him ? Have >they met? I think of the possibilities. Oh..and I have a special fondness >because PART OF THE PLAN..was one of the first pop songs I played on the >guitar. Though very poorly...it sticks with me always. > >Bree > >> > That was my first thought! >> > I've always thought Joni & Dan Fogelberg would make a great >> > couple. >> > ET >> >>I had a similar thought, that Dan and I would make a great couple! >> >>Jerry > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:16:31 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Of course..I forgot. So they have met oh well...it was fun thinking about those two meeting...and sparks..fireworks...chemistry... Bree >Joni did a 'vocal descant on his song 'Nexus' which is on 'The Innocent >Age' double lp. > > >At 11:00 AM 12/3/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Dan Fogelberg is a doll!! I have always enjoyed his music...but not in >the > >same league with Joni. (who is?) I wonder what Joni thinks of him ? >Have > >they met? I think of the possibilities. Oh..and I have a special >fondness > >because PART OF THE PLAN..was one of the first pop songs I played on the > >guitar. Though very poorly...it sticks with me always. > > > >Bree > > > >> > That was my first thought! > >> > I've always thought Joni & Dan Fogelberg would make a great > >> > couple. > >> > ET > >> > >>I had a similar thought, that Dan and I would make a great couple! > >> > >>Jerry > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > >Steve _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:20:25 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & Dan, it DID happen...but not THAT way In a message dated 12/3/2002 11:06:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > Joni did a 'vocal descant on his song 'Nexus' which is on > 'The Innocent > Age' double lp. And it's really pretty - I remember getting that LP for Christmas way back when, didn't know Joni was on it, and smiled a big ol' grin when I recognized her harmony descant. Definitely worth hearing. And if I'm not mistaken, I think Dan is one of the background vocalists in the "Upstairs Saskatoon Choir" on LOTC along with CSN, but don't bet the rent on that... Dan's use of orchestration on "Netherlands" is breathtaking and still gives me chills to this day. Bob NP: Judy Collins, "Since You've Asked" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:36:26 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Joni & Dan, it DID happen...but not THAT way Strange that Dan Fogelberg should be brought up here. Sadly, like Joni, his voice has suffered over time. Unlike Joni, Dan has openly acknowledged that the damage done is mostly due to a 30 year smoking habit, of course combined with advancing age. Also unlike Joni, he quit several years ago, and his voice is the better for it. I had the chance to see Dan in concert this past spring - first time in over 20 years. His voice doesn't soar like it once did, but damn he's a fine musician, and he played with a band of equally fine musicians. In this day and age it's so nice to see that kind of skill. Dan's piano especially just gave me chills. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:50:59 -0500 From: Subject: TORONTO REVIEW From the TORONTO STAR, Dec. 3: TRAVELOGUE Buoyed by the critical success of 2000's BOTH SIDES NOW, an album mainly comprising interpretations of pop standards, Joni Mitchell now applies the same formula to her own material -- with, generally, even better results. Again working with ex-husband Larry Klein as musical director and co-producer, Mitchell covers 22 self-penned favourites on two CDs. While such offerings as a lovely rendition of "The Circle Game" are lightly bathed in a wash of strings and reeds, the duo are more interested in using the orchestra to punctuate the songs dramatically than they are in presenting pop/ orchestral muzak. When Mitchell sings "Things fall apart / The centre cannot hold" on "Slouching Towards Bethlehem," a crash of drums creates a genuine sense of impending catastrophe. Not everything here succeeds as well -- the way that Mitchell's hushed singing is overwhelmed by brassy flourishes on "Woodstock" is a case in point. But there is an ear toward artistry in every attempt. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:03:05 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Review from CD Now On Joni Mitchell's 20th album, Travelogue, the high priestess of singer-songwriters raids her own back catalogue, revisiting songs that she believes have stood the test of time and her own stylistic transformations, using the London Symphony Orchestra to accompany her. This is not a nostalgia trip into the Wayback Machine, bringing back winsome souvenirs like "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Chelsea Morning." Instead, this collection shows Mitchell as the self-conscious and restless innovator, picking her way carefully through the minefields of human relationships, leaving a trail of eloquent breadcrumbs, as she describes the passing scenery with her evocative and off-kilter imagery. Back in 1974, Mitchell complained that she felt miscast singing some of the songs that she wrote as a younger woman, so almost 30 years later it's no surprise that she has abandoned many of her trademark songs for more sophisticated prescient fare. Included in the two-disc set are songs like her Dylanesque narrative "Otis and Marlena"; the still topical and prophetic "Amelia"; and her end-of-the-world tome, "Slouching Toward Bethlehem." The anthemic "Woodstock" has become a ponderous meditation on the meaning of life and purpose, as Mitchell, with the help of arranger Vince Mendoza (who worked with the chanteuse on her 2000 album of standards, Both Sides Now) changes both the emphasis and the pacing of the classic song that helped define a cultural revolution. Jaan Uhelszki Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:12:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: T-log: a big picture? I guess I'm just gonna write a little each day and maybe eventually compile them into a real essay. For now........ T-log seems to me, today, like a collection of Joni's Big Statements. The Great Themes. Check it out: By putting "Otis and Marlena" first, she invites us to review all of these stories in light of the New Terrorist Threat. She's relavent. She has included what I think is her 2 biggest Relationship songs (The Last Time I Saw Richard, Amelia). She has her biggest statement ever on Creativity, Talent, and the Fickle Public (Ludwig's). She ends with "God Must Be a Boogie Man". While that works as humor, I think it might also be a sly summation. More eventually I'm sure..... Lama Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:05:35 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Bree wrote: << Dan Fogelberg is a doll!! I have always enjoyed his music...but not in the same league with Joni. (who is?) I wonder what Joni thinks of him ? Have they met? >> Joni did vocals on the song Nexus from Dan's Innocent Age album (FANTASTIC album!) I think Fogelberg is one of the few artists (including Paul Simon) in the same league with Joni. Netherlands is my personal fave. Check out his website http://www.thelivinglegacy.net/index2.htm He is hot! ET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:09:50 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: The unambitious Canadian voice Something struck me in the W interview about Joni's taste in music. It's where Joni mentions that she dislikes the sound of an ambitious voice like Streisand's. I thought that was interesting since so many of the great Canadian singers don't have ambitious voices, in fact some of them are arguably BAD voices, and I wondered if Canadians are pre-disposed to being (or liking) "unambitious" singers. There's Leonard Cohen's gravel-road baritone, Neil Young's nasal whine and the two voices of Joni Mitchell: the helium voice and the smoke-stack voice. I wonder what it is about Canada that seems to spawn singers who are vocally "unambitious" - that is to say, untrained and more vocally raw. There are so many who could be placed in this category: Jane Siberry, Loreena McKennitt, Sarah McLachlan, Bryan Adams, Shania Twain, Alanis Morrisette. There are exceptions, most notably the ear-rupturing ranting of Celine Dion. Anne Murray and k.d. lang are other "crooners" of the north who also appear to be vocally ambitious. In any case, I just thought I'd raise that thought for people to ponder. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:28:11 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice In a message dated 04/12/2002 00:10:28 GMT Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: << I wonder what it is about Canada that seems to spawn singers who are vocally "unambitious" - that is to say, untrained and more vocally raw. There are so many who could be placed in this category: Jane Siberry, Loreena McKennitt, Sarah McLachlan, Bryan Adams, Shania Twain, Alanis Morrisette. There are exceptions, most notably the ear-rupturing ranting of Celine Dion. Anne Murray and k.d. lang are other "crooners" of the north who also appear to be vocally ambitious. >> Fascinating post, Andrew, not least for the interpretive difficulty it throws up: how does one define "ambitious" and "unambitous"? Obviously, a voice that we may find unambitious isn't necessarily "bad" [and yes, this is all In The Opinion Of The Listener, blah blah blah] - Much as I loathe Shania Twain and find her records unspeakably bland, I would be hard pressed to claim that she has a bad voice. I find the use of "ambitious" and "unambitous" hard to fathom - what exactly was Joni on about? I've heard Streisand's voice described in many ways, from sublime through majestic to histrionic - but ambitious?? As time goes by, I'm becoming more inclined to take everything Joni says about other performers with a pinch of salt! I can see your point about many of the most prominent Canadian singers having, shall we say, plain voices - in addition to those you mention, Bruce Cockburn would fit that bill. On the other hand, surely nobody would describe Mary Margaret O'Hara's voice as unambitious! And where would Kate & Anna McGarrigle and Ron Sexsmith come into it?? Azeem in London NP: More extraordinary Portuguese music On the other hand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:54:48 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice unambitious and plain compared to what Nina Hagen. You left out Gordon Lightfoot a good Canadian slagging must contain some lightfoot. DF - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice > In a message dated 04/12/2002 00:10:28 GMT Standard Time, > littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > > << I wonder what it is about Canada that seems to spawn singers who are > vocally "unambitious" - that is to say, untrained and more vocally raw. There > are so many who could be placed in this category: Jane Siberry, Loreena > McKennitt, Sarah McLachlan, Bryan Adams, Shania Twain, Alanis Morrisette. > > There are exceptions, most notably the ear-rupturing ranting of Celine Dion. > Anne Murray and k.d. lang are other "crooners" of the north who also appear > to be vocally ambitious. >> > > Fascinating post, Andrew, not least for the interpretive difficulty it throws > up: how does one define "ambitious" and "unambitous"? Obviously, a voice > that we may find unambitious isn't necessarily "bad" [and yes, this is all In > The Opinion Of The Listener, blah blah blah] - Much as I loathe Shania Twain > and find her records unspeakably bland, I would be hard pressed to claim that > she has a bad voice. > > I find the use of "ambitious" and "unambitous" hard to fathom - what exactly > was Joni on about? I've heard Streisand's voice described in many ways, from > sublime through majestic to histrionic - but ambitious?? As time goes by, > I'm becoming more inclined to take everything Joni says about other > performers with a pinch of salt! > > I can see your point about many of the most prominent Canadian singers > having, shall we say, plain voices - in addition to those you mention, Bruce > Cockburn would fit that bill. > > On the other hand, surely nobody would describe Mary Margaret O'Hara's voice > as unambitious! And where would Kate & Anna McGarrigle and Ron Sexsmith come > into it?? > > Azeem in London > NP: More extraordinary Portuguese music > > On the other hand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:59:32 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice I think what Joni meant by "unambitious" is that it's not trying to be something it's not, intentionally trying to rouse a reaction by infusing the voice with mock emotion or pretty trills. Celine and Streisand really put on a huge vocal show, a sound that is quite different from their speaking voices. There is a bit of pretense to it, I guess - at least in Joni's view. I recall another interview where she said she hated white singers who try to sound like black singers and put all those "negro affectations" in their vocals. I guess she just likes very plain voices that are not particularly grand...or ambitious! - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:38:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: From Yahoo News >>The footage captures not only Mitchell's performances with a 70-piece orchestra, but also behind-the-scenes discussions and even a fire at the studio that almost destroyed the master tapes for the album.<< whoa, i've had/heard some stressful stories of recording disasters but this one could have been awful...thank goodness the tapes were okay ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:55:18 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice Andrew, Great thoughts and I think you make a good point about hearing a truer, more plaintive delivery from many of the Canadian singers. Another Canadian artist who sings "unambitiously" is Diana Krall. Not so sure where k.d. laing fits in. I kind of think that really is her natural voice - she seems to pull it off so effortlessly. Some rare singers are gifted with both emotional verity and technical virtuosity. Joni also said in the interview "I haven't heard a girl singer who wasn't trying way too hard in 20 years." and "I'd rather have it be emotionally correct than have some great vocal athlete tear it up on it." I enjoy both kinds of singers but the ones who are "emotionally correct" are usually the ones who impress me the most long term. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:13:00 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni /Judy & men falling asleep-common dilemma >Perhaps because Dylan FELL ASLEEP the first time Joni played Court and >Spark for him??? Despite being a guy, I have to sympathize with Joni. It almost seems like a woman's curse (men falling asleep on them). Will Hey, I thought that Joni and Judy were good friends or is this something of the past(60's and 70's)? While I think Judy is one of the best interpreter is the business, I must say that the two Mitchell cuts on that album (Wildflowers) are probably her weakest interpretations. The album as a whole is incredible and you can almost say that she is more of a pioneer than Joni at putting pop songs in an orchestral format. Still, I've always found that Judy's version of BSN was too "up" on this record. I like it but I think Joni's is much better. Additionally, I find that the other Mitchell cut on this album (the beautiful Michael from Mountains)sounds too much like she is doing "Peter and the Wolf". It's a good solid version but it's not definitive. I also like Joni's version better. The rest of this album is FLAWLESS!!! Collins is the ultimate L.Cohen interpreter! She does 3 Cohen songs here. Jennifer Warnes is great but I think Judy is better. I got a great picture of Joni and Judy up in Joni's tree house playing guitar. Will _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:15:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: A JMDL Thanksgiving Where else but in the world of the JMDL could you get pumpkin pie that was home made in Salt Lake City for dessert in Vancouver, B.C. Canada? Now who could pull off a trick like that? Ashara, of course! The poor dear spent 18 hours getting from Boston to Vancouver and had a lay over in SLC. But the mistress of Jonifest has connections in every port it seems, and Pie Baker Extraoridinaire Allison came to her rescue. Took her home and gave her a home made pumpkin pie to carry to Stephen's place to be our dessert on U. S. Thanksgiving Day. What can I say? The food was delicious, the music was great and the company just doesn't get any better. Stephen was the perfect host, making Travis & I feel right at home in his 7th floor apartment that overlooks Stanley Park. We had a leisurely dinner starting with artichokes prepared to perfection by Stephen and then a yummy rosemary pasta dish that called for *four whole large red onions* that my separated-at-birth twin sister, Ashara whipped up, using the pasta maker she had brought with her all the way from Boston! This was a transcontinental meal, let me tell you! Between courses we would adjourn to the living room for more music and conversation and then Stephen stepped onto the lanai to prepare the piece de resistance - marinated sea bass cooked on the grill. Scrumptious! We were about to do dessert when Stephen commented that we had skipped the salad! Well I insisted that the salad be served! And I'm glad I did because it was not to be missed. Finally we had the pie topped with whipped cream and my hat is off to you, Allison. It was delicious and I am forever in your debt, Allison. I can live without turkey at Thanksgiving (especially when the food was SO good) but no pumpkin pie would have been a REAL hardship. Thank you for rescuing Ashara and for sending the pie our way, Sweetie! Friday we were very lazy and didn't get out of the apartment till around noon. We went to the Virgin Megastore in downtown Vancouver. I bought 3 cds. I won't tell you how many Ashara bought! After that it was lunch at a wonderful Chinese restaurant that Stephen suggested that must have had 4 or 5 different menus on the table. So that our dear Ashara could join in the fun of sharing, we each ordered a different vegetarian dish. I think I can safely say that she was delighted and the rest of us were as well. The things they can do with tofu! After that, Travis & I went on our way to continue our Canadian holiday on our own. The time passed so quickly. It was wonderful to get some good one on one time with my Sis and to meet and spend time with Stephen. This community is an incredible world all its own and it is so neat to be a part of it! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:32:41 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >Bob >NP: Judy Collins, "Since You've Asked" God I love this song! I even doctored up the piano sheet music for this song to include the clarinet part that was missing. Will _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:01:15 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >Strange that Dan Fogelberg should be brought up here. Sadly, like >Joni, >his voice has suffered over time. Unlike Joni, Dan has openly > >acknowledged that the damage done is mostly due to a 30 year smoking > >habit, of course combined with advancing age. Also unlike Joni, he >quit >several years ago, and his voice is the better for it. I saw Dan do it solo a few years ago and he is an incredible musician. Like Lindsey Buckingham, Todd Rudgren and a few others, there isn't an instrument he can't tackle. The only downer was hearing him try to hit the high parts to "In the Morning" off of his first album(this is one of my all time fave Dan albums). He had a difficult time with it 'cause he tried to sing it just like the record. I find this to be a common problem with male singers. They are so preoccupied with exploring their higher range and it renders them incapable of singing their early material once they've aged. Dan has an uncharacteristically high range and being a man he was most definite going to lose it at some point. It probably would have happened even if he hadn't been a smoker. More men should get into exploring their lower register earlier in their careers. Then you run into problems in a live setting 'cause it's really difficult to get the low voices to be heard over the music. I guess there is no easy way around it. Have any of you guys ever heard "Wisteria" off of his first album. The classical guitar lead is beautiful!! I'm not a woman and I'm not gay but when you here this song it almost makes you want have this guys baby. Pure emotion! (Note:That was over twenty years ago and after the 4 minutes was over I soon came back to my senses.)Hee, Hee. Will _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:50:55 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: A JMDL Thanksgiving AWWWWW shucks Mark! I certainly can't say it any better. This list will never cease to amaze me! Great to meet the two of you and spend time together w/Ashara. And Alison, the pie was ALMOST as good as your apple one! Thank you so. w/love, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Mark or Travis : " Where else but in the world of the JMDL could you get pumpkin pie that was home made in Salt Lake City for dessert in Vancouver, B.C. Canada? Now who could pull off a trick like that?" "the music was great and the company just doesn't get any better." " The time passed so quickly. It was wonderful to get some good one on one time with my Sis and to meet and spend time with Stephen. This community is an incredible world all its own and it is so neat to be a part of it!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:50:59 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski (little bit o' jc) colin@tantra-apso.com writes: >Does anyone know if Helen Hunt has bred a daughter? Or was she cloned? >There is a new actor on the block called Leili Soebiski(sp?) and she not >only looks like Helen Hunt but speaks and moves like her. Yes, it's uncanny. LeeLee Sobiesky (correct spelling) has actually been around on TV and movies for almost 10 years. You know the old joke (which isn't really a joke in that it's true more often than not, and, for the subject in question, not that funny) about the four stages of an actor's career (applies to musicians, too, hence Jewel, Tori, etc. "Joni's daughters") -- Who's Helen Hunt? Get me Helen Hunt! Get me a young Helen Hunt! Who's Helen Hunt? LeeLee Sobiesky is the young Helen Hunt. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:54:01 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A JMDL Thanksgiving > And Alison, the pie was ALMOST as good as your apple one! Thank you so. > And I misspelled Alison's name throughout that entire post. I am SO sorry, Alison.... Sheepishly (no cracks!) Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:18:53 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: PBS special in May 03 is on track. I really like the "look" of this URL! USA's Public Broadcast System (PBS, eh?) has some web space reserved for Joni's rightful place in the "American Masters" series, coming May 2003. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_homepage.html The space is minimal right now but suggests: "Watch this space in May 2003 for upcoming features, including essays, film clips, filmmaker interview, and an interactive timeline." You can bookmark it now or bookmark it later.......... I guess it's another reason to look forward to Spring, although I'll have lots of great NEW MUSIC to enjoy over the next few months! "PazFest", JoniFest-NE-02, "October Road", "Travelogue". Sweet! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:36:30 -0700 From: Sarah Gibb Subject: Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself bank details Hi everyone, The Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself Fund now has a bank account with the CIBC for donations. (CIBC stands for the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce.) For those outside Canada, the full number you need is 00018-010-4220439. The first five digits are the transit number, the second three are the sort code, and the last seven digits are the account number. The name of the account is Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself. For those inside Canada, you can go to any CIBC branch and ask to transfer money to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, main branch, Saskatoon. Anyone who wants to send a check or money order, made payable to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, can send to: Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself CIBC 201-21st Street East Saskatoon, SK S7K 0B8 Canada Please note that committee members are not taking any expenses for administrative costs. We hope you'll all support this effort to get public recognition and a permanent tribute in Saskatoon for Joni Mitchell. You might also be interested to know that all public statues in Saskatoon are currently of men, and mostly sportsmen. There is not a single statue of a woman, even though the city has produced a giant of a woman like Joni Mitchell. We hope to rectify this with your help. Best, Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:58:46 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: JM website Once in a while in a big blue moon, I can't access the official page but never for more than 2 days in a row. It sounds like somewhere along the chain of servers between Oz and JJ, one of them has no idea how to "resolve" the domain name. If I recall my networking classes correctly, all of the backbone servers have "roadmaps", references to access (in a blink usually). They provide a domain name and get back an IP address. Then they use the IP address to "find" the page. The IP address is an ever more specific series of numbers, unique on the planet, specifying first a series of backbone servers, then the address of the actual processor that "has" the page. In some cases pages are stored or cached in several places. It could be that your ISP is trying to access a cache that doesn't exist anymore but they should be getting an error message _and_ _acting_ _on_ _it_ to remap the domain. Anyway, there may be a way to look up the physical IP address of JJ's ISP but then I suspect the new problem would be that the chain of servers wouldn't know how to resolve the IP address. I'm forwarding your question on to Les I. and Chris M. cause they seem to have the biggest "geek" credentials around here. In a separate email, I'm sending 1. the welcoming screen on the official web page, jonimitchell.com 2. the "News" section that's just inside the welcome screen, and 3. The essential essay on the official page. Of course I'm speaking of "Our Lady Of Duality", written by some wannabe in Northern Kentucky, USA. See ya soon, Lama Our own Helen in New Zealand (Hell to her buds) wrote: >>>>>>Is anyone else having difficulty accessing www.jonimitchell.com? I've been trying for months, both here at home, and using my work PC (networked, so much faster) with no success. It keeps telling me the server is down, or the connection has timed out :o( Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:01:30 EST From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Slouching Towards Bethlehem and Love on T'log! I think these are my two favorites from the new album. Both are very epic, yet in different ways. "If I had the gift of prophecy, all knowledge, and the faith to move the mountains; Even if I understood all of the mysteries, without love, i'd be nothing..." This song is just gorgeous. The intro reminds me of Ben-Hur for some reason. Pure transcendence. "Slouching Towards Bethlehem to be born..." Can we say powerful! I felt like I was in some film from Hollywood's Golden Age. Almost reminds me of Moses and the Red Sea. In fact I love all three of the WTRF tracks on here. Makes me want to get the album now...lol Damien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:04:17 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 4 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Forum de Montreal in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" was certified gold by the RIAA. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:04:17 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 4 On December 4 the following item was published: 1996: "Mitchell Looks For Daughter" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=895 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:14:13 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? A painter can forgive anyone except one who never BRUSHES. Confucious, an honorary Llama See? It's a pun. A painter uses brushes and...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:31:42 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Hemlogue VLJC I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you have not seen it yet. True? Mike in Barcleona said, >>>>>>>> Why does this dialogue (no prizes for identifying it) spring to mind whenever I hear yet another comment about the mind-blowing packaging of Travelogue? ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #372 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)