From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #371 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, December 3 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 371 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Interview in W ["kakki" ] Travelogue - it's come, it's come, it's here ["Mickey Morose" ] Re: Drawing ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Objective Listening ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Trouble Man [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's Interview in W [Catherine McKay ] Re: Goldie's "Carey" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Drawing [Catherine McKay ] Re: "Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself" Fund ["Lori Fye" ] bug in JMDL? ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: T'log Billboard review ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #370 [WARREN901@aol.com] re: T packaging [Bruce Kimerer ] Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] RE: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? ["Sybil Skelton" ] T'logue ["Mickey Morose" ] Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? [vince ] Joni & Dylan [myrtlmoo ] Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: some thoughts on repeated listenings ["chuty001" ] Re: Travelogue packaging ["chuty001" ] Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni's Interview in W ["Kate Bennett" ] bug in JMDL? ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? ["Kate Bennett" ] My dream Travelogue tour! [Little Bird ] Today's Library Links: December 3 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:03:14 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Interview in W Thanks Les (and Catherine) What I thought was great is that the article is not *all* about her same old rant on the music biz and the interviewer comments on Joni's remarks along the way to at least try to put them in the context that she is not coming off as a arrogant (b)witch in tone, but is "refreshing, articulate, insightful, funny, jolly, and cheerful." Also was happily surprised to hear Joni saying how much she loved Robert Downey Jr.'s "River" and her singling out of Bjork and Norah Jones - "I like her because I don't hear ambition in her voice." Neat. A little surprised at the slight swipes at Judy Collins and Streisand, too! Some new material here and finally an interview that shows the reader a little bit more of Joni's funny, sweet and quirky side. Kakki NP: Be Cool (the new version -whoo hoo) > It's here for all to read in PDF format. > http://www.jmdl.com/typing/0212w.pdf > (Catherine McKay is currently typing it for the Library) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:57:44 +0000 From: "Mickey Morose" Subject: Travelogue - it's come, it's come, it's here I am expecting Travelogue to arrive tomorrow I have already listened to the MP3 files. I think they are great but the backing musicians are a little muffled, but that will be sorted with the higher quality yes?. Anyway I hope it comes anyway I think I got a good price #12.99 (approx $20.20) This is already a delayed delivery so here's hoping. This wait is Killing me :-) Hope You're all enjoying your copies!! Cheers, Paul Headon Wales Its come, its come My Travelogue has come Its come, its come, its here At last, the lonely days have gone. I ordered mine on cd-wow too and what a bargain - it is fantastic. such artistry, such insight, such verve. A gift, for which much thats, quomb. Haven't actually had a chance to listen to it yet, you understand, but who cares - I'm licking my lips thinking about it and admiring the artwork and packaging. Love's a repetitious danger You'd think I'd grow accustomed to Well I do accept the changes At least better than I used to. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:58:01 +0000 From: "Mickey Morose" Subject: Travelogue - it's come, it's come, it's here I am expecting Travelogue to arrive tomorrow I have already listened to the MP3 files. I think they are great but the backing musicians are a little muffled, but that will be sorted with the higher quality yes?. Anyway I hope it comes anyway I think I got a good price #12.99 (approx $20.20) This is already a delayed delivery so here's hoping. This wait is Killing me :-) Hope You're all enjoying your copies!! Cheers, Paul Headon Wales Its come, its come My Travelogue has come Its come, its come, its here At last, the lonely days have gone. I ordered mine on cd-wow too and what a bargain - it is fantastic. such artistry, such insight, such verve. A gift, for which much thanks, quomb. Haven't actually had a chance to listen to it yet, you understand, but who cares - I'm licking my lips thinking about it and admiring the artwork and packaging. Love's a repetitious danger You'd think I'd grow accustomed to Well I do accept the changes At least better than I used to. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:27:06 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Joni's Interview in W agreeing with kakki, here. i just finished reading this article after passing up the chance earlier on. i've had a gutfull of some of the harshness expressed in joni's name and appearing in articles. so often i'm left with the notion that i'm reading more about the interviewer than the interviewee and also sensing the 'sell' rather than any message. reading this i have a much clearer and more plausible impression of the woman who's work means so much to me. in this piece i particularly liked that she picks up on the robert downey (ali mcbeal) and frances conroy (six feet under) 'performances'. i like that it matters to her and that she doesn't come off as too cool to acknowledge. after all these years i'm still pleased to be reassured in this way. and i love the bit about her 'sunday boys'....wanna be in that gang!! anyhoo, back to monday and work. later les (london, still t'log-less..maybe it'll be in the post tonight) - -----Original Message----- From: kakki [mailto:kakkib@vzavenue.net] What I thought was great is that the article is not *all* about her same old rant ... ..... but is "refreshing, articulate, insightful, funny, jolly, and cheerful." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:26:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: The three great sycophants, short Chronic depression. Bingo. Now mercifully under control thanks to reeeeeealy good drugs and the fellowship of the JMDL. Lama BTW, that was a clever subject line, little bird/Andrew. Joni said, >>>>>>> She said if a white, straight man did get >>>>>>> her music it's because he had been >>>>>>> somehow screwed by the system, cheated >>>>>>> of happiness and love, or probably >>>>>>> suffers from consistent depression. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:37:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Goldie's "Carey" Catherine, the traitor, McKay said, >>>>>> I beg to differ. Muller is much better looking than DeNiro. >>>>>> Sheee-it. Muller gets the girl. Again. Same as it ever was. :) Isn't there a nice straight girl somewhere who likes llamas? Lama PS, She doesn't even have to be "nice". :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:45:34 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Drawing Jesus Christ, Mags! We have to get you a green card so you can get a job! Lama, who's enjoying his inner-city apartment now that the upstairs neighbor has moved out. Now I can listen to the live version of "Cadillac Ranch" at full volume at 8:40 AM !! HELL YEAAAAAH-SSS!! ' CADILLAC!!!!!!! CADILLAC!!!!!!! LONG DOORS, SHINY AND BLACK!!!!!!! OPEN UP THEM ENGINES LET EM ROAR!!!!!!! TEARIN UP THE HIGHWAY LIKE A BIG OL DINOSAUR !!!!!!! ' Mags, you wrote: >>>>> ... i love drawing with pencils...... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:52:53 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Objective Listening It's Friday night. As I put T on for the 1st time and try to remain objective, I can't help recalling all that's being said on this list for the past couple of months. Please forgive me if I make up a word or two or if I forget a couple. Basically, if one dislikes Joni, now it's easier than ever to pick on her: She totally lost her voice, is short breathed, has a raspy voice. She pollutes non-smokers. She just did a cheesy "background" music CD redux soup. She's impossible to stay married with. She has lied to the press one more time by saying she'd quit a trillion times. Her guitar playing sounds the same all over. She talks too much and repeats herself. She lost her edge. She wears dresses that make her look fat, etc. Yet we love her, SIQUOMB isn't she? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:22:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Trouble Man --- Little Bird wrote: > Oh my god! I must have this! Tomorrow's after-work > excursion solved in one click of the Inbox... > THANKS! > > > Joni recorded a wonderful "Trouble Man" for Kyle > > Eastwood's 1998 album > > "From There to Here." It is an excellent album. You can't go wrong with it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:23:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Interview in W --- kakki wrote: > I finally got around to reading Joni's interview in > W magazine this weekend > and thought it was one of her most wonderful from > both the interviewer and > interviewee perspective. Is anyone currently > transcribing this article? I > may put up a few choice excerpts later when I have > time. Aahh! The pressure! I signed up to transcribe it, so I guess I'd better get cracking! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:36:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Goldie's "Carey" --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" Isn't > there a nice straight girl somewhere who likes > llamas? > Llamas are OK, but alpacas are cuter. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:37:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Drawing --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > Jesus Christ, Mags! We have to get you a green card > so you can get a job! > Are green cards really green? Are pink slips really pink? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:03:36 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself" Fund I have no artistic talent, but I'm handy with pen on check. Where can we donate? (Can something be setup online?) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:18:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: T'log Billboard review excellent review & i love how they say it takes active listening...something i'm not sure some of the other reviewers took the time to do...btw, i've just submitted my review of t'log to our local paper so i will post it here when they print it (so its official)...yay! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:44:40 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: bug in JMDL? Everytime I try to open JMDL #533-535 from today, my PC stops reacting to controls and I have to restart it. This only happened to those emails and it did it 5 times. I can open #536 though. Has this happened to anyone else? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: T'log Billboard review Yeah, that "active listening" aspect was something that you zero'ed in on, first. Like on Day One. I'm glad you submitted your review of TRAVELOGUE. Good for you. You didn't trash it did you? :) Lama np: Fred Simon's "Dreamhouse", available on "The naim Label" from the UK. Just right for enjoying a freak-day off from work! - --- Kate wrote, in part: btw, i've > just submitted my review of t'log to our local paper > so i will post it here > when they print it (so its official)...yay! > Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:17:58 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #370 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:23:31 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: re: T packaging The packaging on T really is first-class --- and not cheap. Shows that Nonesuch is willing (or was coerced) into spending some big bucks for this release. Not to mention the cost of recording. It must be quite expensive to have all those musicians for all those songs. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:31:00 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? - -Erica _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:38:23 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Erica L. Trudelle Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 2:31 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? Have you ever seen him? I mean, compared to James Taylor, Jackson Browne, and Graham Nash there was no contest! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:17:11 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= Subject: My dear friends and to"whom it may concern"... I try to keep it short (but not sweet): I'll be "quitting" the JMDL from Dec. 11th until Jan. 22nd. And: to those - who would like to get some picture postcard down here from the Black Forest, do give me your address - and maybe... AND to those who got in touch with Karin at Jonifest 2002 - and to all of you who simply want to comfort my dear friend who is suffering from cancer, coping with that black hole of despamr and hope - and - dear friends - it is going down down - and I am lost for words - and please do write to me and I'll give you her address - simply for some comfort. If you know and feel what I mean, Love and peace - Helga And let us keep in touch - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:10:46 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: t'log finally arrived.... well, well, well....... i haven't listened to a damned thing yet but adore this piece of work already. it is so beautifully produced. not since the golden days of LPs with gate-fold sleeves, have i dwelt on how lovingly the whole thing is put together. i think ms mitchell truly gives a damn about her audience to give so much (was there ever any doubt). how easy it would have been, and acceptable to us all indeed were she to have delivered the usual CD, a few pictures in a little plastic case. but this.... i dont intend to listen to the music in full until i get some peace and quiet to do so. instead, i placed CD1 into my computer - not noticing that the speakers (good ones) were switched on - to look at the picture gallery i knew to be there. a wonderful 'walk-through' accompanied by 'refuge of the road'. oh god, what a lovely thing. i dearly love this. i am so impressed. les (london) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 12:50:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? > why no court and spark??? Perhaps because Dylan FELL ASLEEP the first time Joni played Court and Spark for him??? (See http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=946) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:54:36 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: W Interview (clean version) Oops... majordomo didn't like some of the characters in that message. Here's a clean version (with photos as soon as I get them scanned): http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1025 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:56:29 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: RE: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? >I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan >never >became romantically involved???? Just off the top of my head - perhaps both egos wouldn't fit in the same room? Sybil _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:23:41 -0700 From: Sarah Gibb Subject: Re: Beside Herself Lori, we don't have the facilities at the moment to accept online donations. These should be mailed to: >JM's Beside Herself >619 Temperance Street >Saskatoon, SK >S7N 0M4 > >Cheques or money orders should be made payable to: > >The JM's Beside Herself Fund > >The telephone number of the Fund is: 306-652-8016. Email address is: >BesideHerself@shaw.ca Thank you for your offer of a donation! Best, Sarah Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:03:36 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself" Fund I have no artistic talent, but I'm handy with pen on check. Where can we donate? (Can something be setup online?) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:28:38 +0000 From: "Mickey Morose" Subject: T'logue From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: t'log finally arrived.... well, well, well....... i haven't listened to a damned thing yet but adore this piece of work already. it is so beautifully produced. not since the golden days of LPs with gate-fold sleeves, have i dwelt on how lovingly the whole thing is put together. i think ms mitchell truly gives a damn about her audience to give so much (was there ever any doubt). how easy it would have been, and acceptable to us all indeed were she to have delivered the usual CD, a few pictures in a little plastic case. but this.... i dont intend to listen to the music in full until i get some peace and quiet to do so. instead, i placed CD1 into my computer - not noticing that the speakers (good ones) were switched on - to look at the picture gallery i knew to be there. a wonderful 'walk-through' accompanied by 'refuge of the road'. oh god, what a lovely thing. i dearly love this. i am so impressed. les (london) You are sooooooooooooooo right. I still remember the good old days of buying lps that were lovingly produced - honourable mentions to almost all Joni's work I bought on black vinyl but espec FTR, HOSL, Hejira and DJRL. And those days are back, but better, with Travelogue. Got mine today from cd-wow, lovingly brought it home, refraining form playing it in the car, it just wouldn't seem right somehow and straight upstairs to see the artwork on disc one. And I was surprised to hear "Refuge" floating out but it seemed so right and I'd never heard Refuge sound better or understood it more and I am Hejira's biggest fan (yes, I am, believe me, you part-timers don't compete) ;) Right, I'm going to listen to the cd now - but can I say, no cd ever has given me so musch pleasure before I've actually played it - and there are two hours of aural masterpieces to follow. Heaven, I'm in heaven. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:38:55 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? >> I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan >> >never became romantically involved???? > > > Just off the top of my head - perhaps both egos wouldn't fit in the > same room? > > Sybil > Now Sybil, every once in a while someone posts something that is so LOL funny it must make the JMDL all worthwhile to everyone despite all of my posts... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:07:47 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Maybe they did and just thought it was their business and locked it up, for them only. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:23:19 -0500 From: Subject: W I agree -- the W interview is splendid. Well rounded. Illuminating. And, taken in context, Joni's supposedly "devasstating" comments make perfect sense. And are clearly delivered with levity. She must've been so upset that she came across "dissy" taken out of context. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:28:34 -0800 (PST) From: myrtlmoo Subject: Joni & Dylan I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? Have you ever seen him? I mean, compared to James Taylor, Jackson Browne, and Graham Nash there was no contest! Jerry But then there was Leonard Cohen...:>~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:29:09 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? In a message dated 12/2/2002 3:55:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > I think Bob Muller of this list would really appeal to Joni > Mitchell, looks wise. You're so her type! Well, we did have a "moment" when we met in '98 after her Atlanta show. She was holding my hand and INSISTED that Pearl take another picture because she had her eyes closed for the first one, which ended up being the truth. I like to believe that she just wanted to hold my hand a little bit longer - lord knows *I* was certainly on cloud 9 and to this day consider this photo one of the best ever taken of me. I benefited from Joni's aura, no doubt about it! :~) Bob NP: Bruce Cockburn, "The Charity of Night" (what a beautiful song!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:37:45 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: some thoughts on repeated listenings > PS. Why is there nothing from HOSL on T? This is a major puzzlement to me. > > Bruce IMO most of T'log is about travel and most of HOSL is about suburban life and relationships. I don't think T'log was meant to be a greatest hits or a career retrospect. I may be wrong but then again. DF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:50:33 GMT From: "Donna J. Binkley" ; Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Dearest Jonibob: Are you yankin our chain? Cuz if not i missed that pic and please share it! love Tushie SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 12/2/2002 3:55:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > >> I think Bob Muller of this list would really appeal to Joni >> Mitchell, looks wise. You're so her type! > > Well, we did have a "moment" when we met in '98 after her Atlanta show. She was holding my hand and INSISTED that Pearl take another picture because she had her eyes closed for the first one, which ended up being the truth. I like to believe that she just wanted to hold my hand a little bit longer - lord knows *I* was certainly on cloud 9 and to this day consider this photo one of the best ever taken of me. I benefited from Joni's aura, no doubt about it! :~) > > Bob > > NP: Bruce Cockburn, "The Charity of Night" (what a beautiful song!) > > > This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:45:50 -0500 From: Subject: TAMING THE T'LOG What I love about T'LOG, after some time with it, is its richness. I keep discovering new thrills. The orchestration of LUDWIG, which unsettled me at first, is superb. In JOB, Joni's "Oh, where is hope?" sends shivers down my spine. When that trumpet kicks in after "The waves at Malibu" -- ooooh! GOD MUST BE, one of my faves, is here so sprightly and invigorating. And someone comforting. Joni's reading of "Of the roads" in REFUGE gives the song a new tenderness. And her "Dream of a baby" in DAWNTREADER is pure longing distilled to its essence -- very moving. Oh Joni: I love you so much! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:54:47 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Travelogue packaging I'm with you all the way on this one Catherine. This is the first package I've bought since the good old record days where I didn't feel ripped off. I miss opening a new album and pouring over the packaging, artwork and credits. It was a real treat opening travelogue. DF - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Jonilist" Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: Travelogue packaging > I think the packaging for Travelogue has to be the > best CD package design I've ever seen. There may be > others out there, but I haven't seen them. The box > itself that holds everything is sturdy but there's no > plastic involved. The texture of the stock (whether > it's the cardboard/paper or the ink used to print it) > is smooth and silky. Then inside you've got a book of > lyrics and, best of all, the hard-cover little book > inside with a CD on each side and the wonderful > pictures of Joni's paintings. I love the look of it > and the feel of it. I guess I'm a bit of a packaging > freak. My Dad worked in the corrugated paper industry > where there's not a lot of artistic license (how many > ways can you reinvent the beer carton?) but I remember > how he had the plant's artists come up with a design > for a bed for our dog and, when I was in Grade 1, a > "TV" that I brought to school that the kid could sit > inside and do a show for the class (singing, reciting, > a puppet show, or whatever), so the kid could be "on > TV." > > Since then, I have to say I admire a well-thought-out > package, one that makes sense for what it contains, > but that also has a sort of beauty on its own. Like, > for example, those tetrahedron juice containers. > There's a product you can buy in Canada, at least in > the Toronto area, called "Lola". It's a fruit drink > that you can either drink, or freeze and eat like a > popsicle. The container is a tetrahedon and it's > brilliant. The other kind of thing I love is boxes > that open up and there's another inside, and another > inside that. Like the Russian Matrushka dolls. Last > Christmas, I gave my daughter a pair of earings but I > wrapped the first box, inside another box, wrapped; > then again, inside another box. It was just for fun > and so she wouldn't guess (right away, that is) what > it was. > > I just think the package for Travelogue, the design > and the artwork and everything, are so amazing, that > Joni (if it's her design and I think it's at least > partly hers) should win some kind of award for that. > > > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:53:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? "Erica L. Trudelle" wrote: > I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never > became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same > people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? A Gemini and a Scorpio? They would kill each other! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:09:33 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? > Dearest Jonibob: LOL! That's a good one, and it might just stick! > Are you yankin our chain? Cuz if not i missed that pic and please > share it! Hey Donna, if you still have your laminated pass from JoniFest 2001, you've seen the photo ... except that YOUR face was pasted over Bob's! Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:20:21 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue packaging As amazing as this packaging is, just imagine how wonderful this would be in album size format! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:46:15 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Someone should run their charts at www.astrodienst.com and see if they are at all sympatico. Randy Remote wrote: >"Erica L. Trudelle" wrote: > > > >>I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never >>became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same >>people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? >> >> > >A Gemini and a Scorpio? They would kill each other! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:59:43 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? Didn't she say he never brushes his teeth and his breath was, well uh, "unbreathable"?? I think it might have been in reference to a duet on stage in Japan... "Erica L. Trudelle" wrote: > I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never > became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same > people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? > > -Erica > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:33:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: T'log Billboard review thanks magsnbrei & lama...well i do recall suggesting to listen to it in the dark (i guess thats sort of active passive?) i like the suggestion of candlelight someone made (i used that!) & oh yes, i praised it highly...i told the arts editor he HAD to let ME do the review because Joni deserved a good one (at that time most reviews had been not so great...i think they are getting better as a rule which leads me to think that those who liked the release took more time with it...)... fortunately the editor is a fan of Joni's so he let me have the t'log review...but these reviews only get to be 90 words! painful to have to leave so much out...the good news is that everyone in town reads the paper, especially for the arts stuff... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:33:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni's Interview in W les & catherine, thanks from me too for this article...i liked the interview- 4 hours of joni time..wow!...like kakki, i was suprised to hear the swipe at judy but nicely suprised to hear her praise of downey's river & norah jones...oh but that mussolini quote is getting a bit old...hasn't it been a few decades since crosby said that? ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:33:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: bug in JMDL? that's what happens when you trash t'log...lol...just kidding... >>Everytime I try to open JMDL #533-535 from today, my PC stops reacting to controls and I have to restart it.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:33:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? i think joni called him a little toad once...she said he had bad breath when they had to share a mic onstage...lol...dylan may be talented but i don't think he's very attractive (physically or personality wise) (hope bobby d doesn't read this digest...) >>I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark???<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:53:25 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? > Didn't she say he never brushes his teeth and his breath was, well uh, > "unbreathable"?? I'll probably be hit in the head with a flying Travelogue for this blasphemy, but ... how can Joni possibly comment about anyone else's breath? She chain smokes, fer chrissakes! So unless she's also consuming mints by the truckload ... Ducking (and hoping Joni doesn't read this), Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:07:39 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Joan/Joni: the trojan horse? Hi Maureen. I really enjoyed reading your post and I want to quote some stuff you said and react to it. Maureen said, in part: >>>>>>>> I think her voice around the years of LOTC and Blue was shrill at times. I remember even thinking that at the time. I loved her albums but thought some of the very high notes were harsh. I loved her voice when it was clearer and lower esp in the mid 70's. >>>>>>>>>>> Now Lama again. I 'found' Joni at "Court and Spark". I really don't care for the helium songs very much at all. To me it sounds like an affectation, as if she's putting on Ian and Sylvia. While I'm all for exploring new directions, that particular direction, the helium songs, didn't carry me away either. You also said, in part: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also read reviews for 30 years and ,yes, critics have been harsh on her and then down the road praise the work. When she started out I think she was seen as a pretty, hippie girl and when the forceful, talented woman came through-well- I do think it's a male dominated field and women have never been accepted the same way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Lama again. Yeah, but there's more to it than meets the eye. Since I wasn't "there" until Court and Spark, I had not seen the print ads (commericals) for the early albums. They were cheezy. They spun Joni's appearance into a sex come-on, big time. Then I saw that Joni was very complex from the beginning. In an early appearance on the Dick Cavett show, a few days after she wrote "Woodstock", she was very feminine to the point of being girlish. Cavett introduced her as a "true artist" which was amazing that he "got" it way back then. Then Joni, the trojan horse, apologized for being apolitical in a political time. She almost apologized for being from Canada. Then she sang a strongly anti-war song called "The Fiddle and the Drum". Even then, she was not the cheesecake that some people saw. She is very, very pretty and electrifyingly charismatic but she was never a creampuff. Her label packaged her as a creampuff but the public got the Trojan Joni when they read the lyrics. That's what I call the solar plexus effect. Lama PS, That Joni is a pretty woman who's not a creampuff is like Jewel. It hurts me that she doesn't give Jewel and Alanis the props they deserve. Just because Joni did sensitive lyrics before they did, does not mean that no other woman is ever allowed to write an emotional lyric. Is Joni prohibited from doing swing-influenced arrangements like TRAVELOGUE's "You Dream Flat Tires" because Annie Ross and Ella Fitzgerald did it before Joni did? Of course not. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:19:22 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #534 Yeah. Joni's like Prozac. She's a treatment for depression. So, if you don't have depression, you won't understand the value of the "treatment". Sometimes people are quite literal when they say, "Joni Mitchell saved my life." Lama Mack said, >>>> I am personally going through some changes and as missy says "happier than I've ever been' but still get the depressed thing. Go figure. Yea, it takes a certain, special animal to get Joni Mitchell. How lucky we are. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:48:55 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #537 I read he never brushed his teeth and was very grungy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:05:07 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan Come on, even a girl of my persuasion can understand Joni's discretion here! It would be like Julia Roberts falling in love with and marrying, say Lyle Lovett ... Oh wait - never mind! ;-D Peace, Susan NP: Joni/My Old Man - --- Erica wrote: > I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never > became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same > people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? > > Have you ever seen him? I mean, compared to James Taylor, Jackson Browne, > and Graham Nash there was no contest! > > Jerry > > > But then there was Leonard Cohen...:>~ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:36:54 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: My dream Travelogue tour! The concert opens with the single-note pounding of the piano, heralding the middle instrumental section of Paprika Plains. The crowd starts to cheer. Then the strings rise up and the stage lights illuminate the orchestra, backed by a wall of Joni's paintings. The crowd cheers louder. Herbie is on piano, Wayne is on Sax, Joni is nowhere to be seen - yet. The orchestra plays the entire middle section of Paprika Plains (an exciting treat!) and brings it to a close as the lights dim again. There is a pause and a hush falls over the crowd in the darkness. Someone coughs. A lady giggles. Suddenly we hear, "Marlena...under Foster Grants..." and the cheers rise up again. The spotlight illuminates Joni, center stage, dressed in black. She looks radiant. Her outfits are not by Issey Miyake this time around but are more fitted and conservative. I doubt her voice could handle much more than 17 songs in one night so the list of songs is as follows: Act I: (Overture: Paprika Plains instrumental) Otis & Marlena Amelia You Dream Flat Tires Love For The Roses Slouching Towards Bethlehem Sex Kills The Dawntreader Sire of Sorrow (Intermission) Act II: Sometimes I'm Happy Be Cool Hejira Woodstock Refuge of the Roads Trouble Child The Circle Game Both Sides Now The tour program would match the beauty of the CD box itself with her self-portrait on the cover. Inside is thick, textured paper (Catherine's with me on this!) with the song list, a note from Joni and three additional pages with 2 paintings per page. A really gorgeous tour program! The cities Joni performs in include (being realistic and practical in my choice): US: New York City Chicago Atlanta Miami Seattle Canada: Vancouver Toronto Ottawa The venues would be smaller places, more akin to Opera houses, like The Hummingbird Centre in Toronto or the National Arts Centre in Ottawa. The acoustics of these places are suited to orchestral music and are large enough to accomodate interested audiences but not so large that there are whole sections of empty seats. Joni would sell out in Toronto and Ottawa, I'm sure. Probably elsewhere. So, that's my dream Travelogue tour experience! What's yours? - -Andrew (I dream of golden beauty!) Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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