From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #370 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, December 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 370 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: some thoughts on repeated listenings [Little Bird ] Re: some thoughts on repeated listenings ["kakki" ] Joni's Interview in W ["kakki" ] Trouble Man [Little Bird ] Re: Before the Cock Crows, the Jock "Dunno's" [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni's Interview in W [Les Irvin ] Today in History: December 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: A nice love song [Randy Remote ] Re: travelogue due anticipation overload ! [Eric W Taylor ] T'log Billboard review [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:06:00 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: some thoughts on repeated listenings I enjoyed your comments a lot, Bruce. See below for some additional thoughts: >>>I wonder if these most recent records of Joni's are a similar exercise. The traditions she returns to are not, of course, blues or folk, but the classic American popular songs of Porter, the Gershwins, Arlen, etc. And I think the purpose of the 'recontextualization' that the liner notes of T speak of is to place Mitchell firmly among the pantheon of great American songwriters mentioned above.>>> I think this is quite accurate. Joni grew up listening to classical music and a lot of jazz, so re-outfitting her songs in this new sound is probably to prove to herself and to others that she never really was "just a folk artist" and that her ideas and songs have always been more theatrical and cinematic in nature. Maybe next we'll get original songs with a mix of orchestrated tunes and stripped-down jazz numbers. I'm still waiting for a studio recording by Joni of "Trouble Man." >>>I'm surprised that no one has constructed a Broadway show around her work.>>> In Canada there have been two stage musicals based on the music of Joni Mitchell. The Prarie Theatre Exchange in Winnipeg did a show called "Joni Mitchell: River" and The Great Canadian Theatre Company in Ottawa did a musical called "Passion Play." Both plays were based on Joni's songs, thematically and musically. It's a matter of time before Broadway catches on, I'm sure... - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:30:58 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Unbelievable In response to the approximate quote " She said if a white, straight man did get her music it's because he had been somehow screwed by the system, cheated of happiness and love, or probably suffers from consistent depression". Muller complains: > Yes, that was her 2000 interview on the CBC...pissed me off pretty good. I > thought I got her music just because I appreciated good talent. Then again, > > who among us hasn't been cheated by the system of lost in love? > > Bob > But once again, a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest, which included.... "She said that she had trouble believing that a powerful, white heterosexual male would truly understand her music, but I'm sure there are a few out there" Here she calls him unbelievable, and one of a few out there, and it's still not good enough for him ...... Well, I have no trouble thinking of myself as unbelievable ...:~) Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:33:41 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: JM website Is anyone else having difficulty accessing www.jonimitchell.com? I've been trying for months, both here at home, and using my work PC (networked, so much faster) with no success. It keeps telling me the server is down, or the connection has timed out :o( Any ideas? Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:35:18 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: some thoughts on repeated listenings Andrew, Joni recorded a wonderful "Trouble Man" for Kyle Eastwood's 1998 album "From There to Here." The album is mostly instrumental jazz but also includes Julia Fordham singing "In the Wee Small Hours" and Diana King on "Why Can't We Live Together." It's an excellent album and also features Peter Erskine, Billy Childs and Mark Isham. Kakki > I'm still waiting for a studio recording by Joni of > "Trouble Man." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:37:32 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Joni's Interview in W I finally got around to reading Joni's interview in W magazine this weekend and thought it was one of her most wonderful from both the interviewer and interviewee perspective. Is anyone currently transcribing this article? I may put up a few choice excerpts later when I have time. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:36:16 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Trouble Man Oh my god! I must have this! Tomorrow's after-work excursion solved in one click of the Inbox... THANKS! > Joni recorded a wonderful "Trouble Man" for Kyle > Eastwood's 1998 album > "From There to Here." Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:51:27 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Before the Cock Crows, the Jock "Dunno's" Kakki wrote "I remember e> ven a jock in college in whose collection I spotted Ladies of > The Canyon. > Of course, when I dug it out in front of a bunch of his friends, he claimed > it was his sister's album and that he didn't know how it got in his stuff > and promptly told me to take it away - haha. Still have it ;-) > Naughty girl - obviously, you never auditioned for the part of Elaine on Seinfeld (or you would have gotten it) :-) Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 23:59:32 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni's Interview in W At 12/1/2002 09:37 PM, kakki wrote: >I finally got around to reading Joni's interview in W magazine this weekend >and thought it was one of her most wonderful from both the interviewer and >interviewee perspective. Is anyone currently transcribing this article? I >may put up a few choice excerpts later when I have time. It's here for all to read in PDF format. http://www.jmdl.com/typing/0212w.pdf (Catherine McKay is currently typing it for the Library) Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 02:01:18 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 2 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. 1980: Joni's "Shadows And Light" concert special aired on Showtime TV. 1987: Rolling Stone had a 20th anniversary TV special which aired on ABC and Joni talked at a few points during the program. Also shown was a bit of rare footage of Joni singing "Woodstock" on the Tom Jones Show in 1969. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 02:01:18 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 2 On December 2 the following item was published: 2001: "A Trip to the Past" - Los Angeles Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=697 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 23:27:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: A nice love song "All I Want" Les Irvin wrote: > Here's a question from an non-member that I thought I'd throw out to the > list. > Thanks, > Les > > >From: NyEv@aol.com > >Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:29:00 EST > > > >Hi--hoping you can help me.....I am not familiar with Joni Mitchell's > >music--and I'm trying to find a nice, positive love song from Joni Mitchell. > >Can you help suggest something?? It's a gift for a wedding present.....need > >to get the lyrics. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:37:28 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: travelogue due anticipation overload ! Paul Headon wrote: << I am expecting Travelogue to arrive tomorrow I have already listened to the MP3 files. I think they are great but the backing musicians are a little muffled, but that will be sorted with the higher quality yes? >> Omygod Paul are YOU in for a total surprise (even if you don't have a good stereo, which helps)! The MP3 files played on my good PC speakers didn't prepare me for the overwhelming beauty of Travelogue. This could well be the finest album Joni has yet released. I've been listening to it every day for two weeks now and love it more every time I hear it. Slouching Toward Bethlehem is just AWESOME!!! Love & The Sire of Sorrow frame it in platinum. She should do a Gospel album sometime, hopefully including Passion Play. Disk 1 seems to me a commentary on the current world situation, appropriately beginning with Otis & Marlena (always among my fave Joni tunes) & ending with God Must be a Boogie Man (how appropriate). Woodstock is the weakest song on the CD IMHO & For The Roses takes several listens to begin to grasp. Disk 2 is flawless! Be Cool finally gets the orchestration it deserves; Wally would weep uncontrollably over Refuge of the Roads; Joni's voice has never sounded better on Chineese Cafe & I finally LOVE The Last Time I Saw Richard (a song that has bored me for decades). WHY aren't more people talking about the stunning packaging??? I have never seen anything like it! & the Quicktime video tour of Joni's latest paintings on disk 1 is the coolest thing I have ever seen!!! As I've long maintained, Joni Mitchell is the greatest artist of the 20th Century (& now the 21st Century). SIQUOMB~~~~~~~~ ET NP: Travelogue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 23:36:49 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: T'log Billboard review Billboard Nov 30,2002 "Noteworthy" section The basic concept for this two-disc set is compelling. 1995 Billboard Century Award Honoree Joni Mitchell revisits 22 songs from her rich catalog, rerecording them with a 70-piece orchestra, a 13 person choir, and a backing band that includes keyboardist Herbie Hancock and saxophonist Wayne Shorter. In this light, songs like "For The Roses" (from the 1972 album of the same name) and "Sex Kills" (from the 10-year old Turbulent Indigo) become even more epic and dramatic. At the same time, a somberness prevails throughout much of Travelouge. And while this isn't a bad thing, it requires active-not passive-listening. Of course, hardcore Mitchell fans wouldn't have it any other way. Other noteworthy gems include "Hejira," "God Must Be A Boogie Man," and "Otis and Marlena." ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #370 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)