From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #363 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, November 27 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 363 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing ["Heather" ] Aging, smoking singing ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Travelodge ["Heather" ] Re: Aging, smoking singing ["kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing ["kakki" ] Re: Travelogue - some first/second/third impressions ["Mark or Travis" ] Travelogue [Chihuahua50@aol.com] Re: Travelogue [vince ] Re: Travelogue [Janet Hess ] Joni's statue ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Aging, smoking singing ["J. G." ] Re: Art criticism - why? [Michael Paz ] Re: [Michael Paz ] Re: Smokin voices [Susan Guzzi ] Today in History: November 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: November 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Joni's statue [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Travelogue [David Marine ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:48:08 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing okay ... so which one of you are gonna tell Joni she's going through 'the change' ? ;-) Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:48 PM To: kakkib@vzavenue.net; messling@enter.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing There is also the hormonal aspect - I've read how hormones affect the vocal chords of some women as they age. Not that they make the voice deeper - but there is some kind of shortening or other physiological affect on the vocal chords. There was also an interview with Linda Thompson posted here a few months back that spoke of her almost complete loss of voice from just that which has now been resolved by botox injections> I would say this is definitely one of many factors in Joni's voice change. I have heard Joan Baez mention on a couple of occasions that she had to see a voice teacher and learn to sing all over again when she hit menopause. Jenny Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:51:16 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing Bravo Catherine! Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:57 PM To: Murphycopy@aol.com; courtandspark@earthlink.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Mack writes: > > << Sad, but obviously true, that the anti-smoking > agenda has even reached > here. >> > > Artists who have died of heroin overdoses don't get > the level of criticism > for their habits that Joni gets for her nicotine > addiction. > Kinda pointless. They're dead. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:00:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Aging, smoking singing i know quite a few singers who have had nodes on their vocal cords & surgery to remove them...a fellow musican told me joni had throat cancer awhile back...but i don't know if it is true... >>Kakki - is it you who said Joni had throat surgery? Do you know what it was for? << ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:00:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Aging, smoking singing thank you jenny & kakki for your intelligent & informed thoughts on the changes that happen to a woman's voice as she ages...i am sure menopause is a big factor & it affects women in so many different ways & to wildly different degrees...it is unfair & uninformed to assume that all the change is due to joni's smoking...i'm not a smoker, i have nothing to defend...but anyone who does not take the hormonal aspects of aging into consideration when speaking about voice change...well they are just talking out of their...you know what... jenny >>I would say this is definitely one of many factors in Joni's voice change. I have heard Joan Baez mention on a couple of occasions that she had to see a voice teacher and learn to sing all over again when she hit menopause.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:03:59 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Travelodge Hmmm... too bad we can't get E. H. Gombrich to dissertate for us on question #1. Vince and Kakki are the same person ... didn't anyone tell you?? ;-) Hmmm.. isn't Joni a specialist with open tunings? Of course Joni is better at some things than others ... that's why we listen to her music :-) Lovely thoughts, Gordon. Best always- Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Gordon Mackie Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:06 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Travelodge Hi All you JMDlers.... Some brief thoughts for today are ; 1. Is there such a thing as good art? (an old philosophical question but it seems to be the root of a lot of discussion). Is all expression worthwhile no matter what the consequences. 2.How can I agree with Vince and Kakki...but I do 3. If Joni is against a "society of specialists", then it makes sense that she would 'particiapate' in many of the arts. Not as a (specialist) poet not as a painter but as a complete human being. 4. Is Joni 'better' at some things than others? I muse over these as rhetorical questions...you dont need to feel compelled to answer them...unless you can help. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:29:38 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Aging, smoking singing Kate wrote: > i know quite a few singers who have had nodes on their vocal cords & surgery > to remove them...a fellow musican told me joni had throat cancer awhile > back...but i don't know if it is true... She was diagnosed with it about 14 years ago but it wasn't true. (thankfully they didn't do radical surgery on her back then due to a misdiagnosis). Below is a relevant portion of an article that essentially relates what she spoke about at the PWWAM taping. I may be wrong about the throat surgery but could swear I heard about it somewhere. Maybe she will talk about it all in her bio. Joni Mitchell by Giles Smith London Independent October 29, 1994 Before Joni Mitchell consulted a mystic healer on the matter of the bleeding lesion in her throat, she asked some conventionally qualified, AMA doctors about it and they informed her it was what Sammy Davis Jr had. The late Sammy Davis Jr. They told her it was caused by smoking and gave her five years Five years later when Joni Mitchell tells this story, we are approximately half way through our interview and she is approximately half way through a packet of Marlboro Lights. Mitchell chain-smokes, and it's one of the smoothest chains you've ever seen. As her left hand stubs one out, her right is already loosening the next from the packet. She's been smoking since she was nine - maybe literally - and she wasn't about to quit simply because her voice packed up during a video shoot and doctors were showing her fibre optic shots of an open wound on her larynx. "I grasped that smoking was an irritant," she says, "I didn't believe it was a cause." So (and here the story takes a mildly Californian twist) she sought a second opinion from a Hawaiian mystic called Oleta. "She's a two-powered mystic. With you fully dressed and lying on a table, she can see into your body by going wall-eyed, seeing light and shadow through your clothes. I said, 'Look in my throat, Oleta. Do you see death there?' 'No,' she said. This sounds so crackpot: she sent me water. The water was electrically charged and commanded to sluice and slowly restore. She fixed me. "It's healed up. My voice is fragile, but I do believe I'm singing better than ever in my life. I'm on the brink of being a great singer. I've lost my high end but I don't miss it - you don't need it. I had three and a half octaves, all of that stratospheric stuff was just trying to impress. Billie Holiday had seven notes. And what she did with it." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=169 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:32:09 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing Jenny wrote: > I have heard Joan Baez mention on a couple of > occasions that she had to see a voice teacher and > learn to sing all over again when she hit menopause. You don't know how many years I've held back and bitten my tongue from broaching this subject here until now. Must be the hormonal changes in me - acccck! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:43:10 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #362 In a message dated 11/26/2002 9:46:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Why are you so sure it is all due to smoking? Thanks ... I'm a reformed smoker, but don't think that it's the root of all vocal evil. And when I'm 85 - I'm starting again (as long as I can tie my running shoes). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:01:42 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "Joni bewildered by plan....." > "And then I could come and sit there and when someone asks how I feel about > it I can honestly say, 'I'm beside myself'." > LMAO!! How can you not love this woman?? Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:11:55 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni appearances Heather asked: > Has Joni really toured that extensively to have her voice affected that > much? Thanks to Simon's meticulous documentation over the years: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:14:38 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Travelogue - some first/second/third impressions > Bob, trying to remember to say "I would have liked more Billy Preston" as > opposed to "There should be more Billy Preston" ;~) > Why not just say 'Mark E is full of s**t' and have done with it? M E I S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:29:45 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Smokin voices Susan, Today while I was out on my smoking break (that quiet time where I sometimes ponder about topics on the list), I was running through my head the jmdler singers who smoke but who have not seemingly been affected by the awful habit and I swear you were right at the top of my list. (I've heard your absolutely amazing performance from the last J-Fest). I have an impressive list of members in mind but will not name them so as to not embarrass them. I've had the Joni smoking discussion with a couple of jmdler singers and they say, like you, that the problem is with her breathing - or lack of strong lung capacity probably due to the smoking. I would never disagree with that. What doesn't add up to me as far as blaming it completely on the smoking is that I heard her voice change significantly so many years ago - back in the 70s. The change to me seemed kind of sudden - that is why the smoking rationale doesn't add up 100%. And for many years, I was also very upset with it because I loved her early voice so much. I've thought for the past few years that she has consulted a vocal coach. I think she has had to do this. It also occurred to me, sadly, that maybe she is all too aware of how much her voice has changed and that may be one of the real reasons she keeps saying she is going to retire. I'm at the point where I don't care anymore what she sounds like - I'd just be happy for her to continue. T-Log sounds pretty good to me, all things considered. I also thought she sounded a lot like Peggy Lee. When BSN came out I played it for my parents to get their take on the remake of all their old fave songs, and my mother, who has heard the constantly playing of Joni's songs from the beginning, said very authoritatively "Now that is GOOD, she has FINALLY learned how to sing!" Go figure! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:37:19 EST From: Chihuahua50@aol.com Subject: Travelogue I have been a Joni fan for over 30 years. I own all of her LPS/cassettes/CDS. There is no artist I think more highly of than Joni Mitchell. Travelogue, however, has been a major disappointment. It is definitely my least favorite CD of everything she has ever done. I've had it for a week now and listened to it every day since last Tuesday and several times in its entirety. I keep hoping something will kick in for me and I'll start liking it, but the last few listens have been painful. I have now retired it and filed it on my Joni shelf. Maybe I'll get it out and listen to it every now and again, but I really can't imagine why I would do that. I don't think there is a single song on Travelogue that is better than the original versions. The Travelogue versions aren't even interestingly different. Travelogue reminds me of a 101 Strings version of Joni Mitchell. Do you remember those? 101 Strings of the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, etc. Travelogue also reminds me of the times in the late 60s and 70s when older singers would try to perform some of the "hip" songs of the time. So you had Dinah Shore singing Paul Simon's 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover. But if some other singer, besides Joni, had made this album of Joni's songs she would be run out of town. Only Joni could get away with this, and get praised for it in some quarters. I know this is not a popular opinion on this list and at times I seriously have to wonder if I somehow got some kind of different version than the one everybody else is listening to. Maybe I got some kind of early demo version by mistake. The Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind.... Between the last two CDs and Joni's ranting in the press, my love for her is waning, and I can only hope that she will bounce back minus Larry Klein, and minus the orchestra, with some new material. Wouldn't it be nice to hear Joni in a studio with a guitar and a piano and some new songs? I'm not asking her to paint a starry night again. In fact, it seems like what she's attempted with Travelogue is to paint a starry night again, and it didn't work. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:59:53 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Travelogue Oh my, Very well written post and all I can say is oh my. There may be others out there in JMDLer land who agree with you and have tried to say what you said so genteelly and gingerly that no one noticed. And here you went and said it. Oh my. There is at least one other JMDLer who is not me who is nodding in agreement with your post. I think of a few of the tracts rise above your description, but just a few. Your second paragraph is laugh at loud funny and too close to true to be anything but painful. Your last sentence is great. Oh my. Oh well, now I will be on the shit list with you. Oh my. I shant sign my name to this because I have less courage than you. Oh my. Chihuahua50@aol.com wrote: > I have been a Joni fan for over 30 years. I own all of her LPS/cassettes/CDS. > There is no artist I think more highly of than Joni Mitchell. Travelogue, > however, has been a major disappointment. It is definitely my least favorite > CD of everything she has ever done. I've had it for a week now and listened > to it every day since last Tuesday and several times in its entirety. I keep > hoping something will kick in for me and I'll start liking it, but the last > few listens have been painful. I have now retired it and filed it on my Joni > shelf. Maybe I'll get it out and listen to it every now and again, but I > really can't imagine why I would do that. I don't think there is a single > song on Travelogue that is better than the original versions. The Travelogue > versions aren't even interestingly different. > > Travelogue reminds me of a 101 Strings version of Joni Mitchell. Do you > remember those? 101 Strings of the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, etc. > Travelogue also reminds me of the times in the late 60s and 70s when older > singers would try to perform some of the "hip" songs of the time. So you had > Dinah Shore singing Paul Simon's 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover. But if some > other singer, besides Joni, had made this album of Joni's songs she would be > run out of town. Only Joni could get away with this, and get praised for it > in some quarters. > > I know this is not a popular opinion on this list and at times I seriously > have to wonder if I somehow got some kind of different version than the one > everybody else is listening to. Maybe I got some kind of early demo version > by mistake. The Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind.... > > Between the last two CDs and Joni's ranting in the press, my love for her is > waning, and I can only hope that she will bounce back minus Larry Klein, and > minus the orchestra, with some new material. > > Wouldn't it be nice to hear Joni in a studio with a guitar and a piano and > some new songs? I'm not asking her to paint a starry night again. In fact, > it seems like what she's attempted with Travelogue is to paint a starry night > again, and it didn't work. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:18:40 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Travelogue Vince, sweetie, I can't help myself. Some things that you work on are sometimes called "tracts." What Joni works - --and often plays-- on are sometimes called "tracks." I confess that I purely love your posts, and this one had the bonus of making my dimples ache. Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, neither of whom has yet heard "Travelogue" and both of whom are on the wrong tracts/tracks At 11:59 PM 11/26/2002 -0500, vince wrote: > >There is at least one other JMDLer who is not me who is nodding in agreement >with your post. I think of a few of the tracts rise above your >description, but >just a few. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:19:44 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Joni's statue Joni, on her own statue: "I'm beside myself". Joni, you are too much! Jimmy, I liked your mention of "I am not some stone commission Like a statue in a park". What about: "Joni's cast in bronze, and she's standing in a little park" or "In the court, they carve your legend with an extra seat" Anybody recall any other statue lyrics? Mia _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:29:58 -0800 From: "J. G." Subject: Re: Aging, smoking singing Just my two cents here... Pete Seeger is an example of someone who admits that improper vocal strain caused the marked decline of his voice. I know that Emmylou Harris smokes nearly as much as Joni does. Her voices has certainly changed from that "lear as a bell" brunette voice to the current "cracked crystal" sound of her silvery years. But I don't hear the same changes in her voice as Joni's. And she tours FAR more often. And it was only about four years ago, if memory serves, that Aretha Franklin quit her four pack a day habit. Certainly it had it's effects, she's said as much, but it did not give her a smoky rasp like The Mitch. And Leonard Cohen said not too long ago that he quit smoking some time ago and his voice continued to deepen. The mystery, well, deepens. Jerome p.s. some mention was made of vocal quality at PWAAM. I saw her perform a week before that taping and she sounded AMAZING. I believe she was sick during the taping or just prior to it. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:36:52 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Art criticism - why? At Studio 54 in Ethyl drag??? Love Paz on 11/25/02 9:59 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Paz writes: > > << absolutely was in mortal pain throughout the disco era. >> > > Funny . . . I was in moral ruin. > > XO, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:41:14 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi Mickey and welcome to the list. Song For Sharon is very close to the top of my Joni faves and one that I love to play and sing. I hope you get your copy of T'Log soon. Best to you Paz on 11/26/02 10:52 AM, Mickey Morose at topmickey@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi > This is my first posting, my name's Mike and I live in england. > > I'd been reading the posts for a while but thought I'd wait until I had > something m,eaningful to say about travelogue but - guess what - it still > hasn't arrived. I'm grateful to whoever it ws on the list gave a link to > cd-wow as the price of #12.99 seems unbeatable, but I've just had a message > from them that they're out of stock and promising delivery within a few > days. In a perverse way, I'm quite pleased they're out of stock as it might > mean that a lot of peeople are ordering and to me not enough people > appreciate enough about Joni and, like her, I get pretty pissed off with > people talking about her as, for example, "one of the best female > singer-songwriters". I mean, really!!! > > So I'm still listening at the moment to my one-disc cd of Shadows and Light > - what a bargain that was and incredibly underrated imho - fantastic > versions of Amelia and Hejira from my favourite Joni album and the Mingus > cuts sounding much warmer and "better" imo than on the original. My forst > Joni album, purchased on its release when I was 17 (gave my age away there) > was For The Roses which I still think is right up with her best, but for me > her most under-rated album is Hissing of Summer Lawns, which absolutely blew > me away when I first heard it and still has the capacity to surprise and > shock and give new meanings almost every time I hear it. > > I did start to listen to the Nonesuch files of travelogue on the internet, > but I was disapointed with the quality so gave up after Dawntreader, which > sounded leaden and jaded to be honest so thought I'd wait for the actual cd > wehich I'm sure won't sound so compressed and weedy (at least I hope not) I > gather that most of you weren't very impressed with BSN but I love it - I > can't get past Answer Me and A Case of You without crying, and while A Case > of You is obviously great on Blue as well I actually prefer it in the > context of BSN. > > Anyway, I'll let you know what I think of travelogue when (eventually) I get > it. I had been hoping that Song for Sharon would be on it - I love > everything about that song and think it would have fitted the theme and mood > perfectly - but never mind, there's plenty else to enjoy and I'm > particularly looking forward to Sire of Sorrow - my favourite 90's Joni song > at the moment, and I'm interested in hearing the male antagonists mentioned > and how these add to the song. > > Best of everything to everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Smokin voices Hi Kakki, First off thank you for your kind words as to my performance. But of course I hear it much differently than you do. I am limited in what I want to do or try to do as far as singing. The positive to this is, I must sing the song much more in a style that is my own. So I can no longer just copy the phrasing and inflections of Joni or whomever. This is making me learn to sing in some ways, all over again. And I further agree, Joni is learning to sing more than she has ever had to before. Earlier it was more an instinct and now there is more of a thought process behind it. I like much of the new sound and have mentioned previously what I think she can do to help her voice furhter. I would agree that smoking is only one part of it and age, menopause, hormones do take their own place as additional culprits. Not to mention a lifetime of voice strain. I just believe she can eventually come up with a marriage between some of the old voice and a more educated mature voice. I am not knocking her at all. And perhaps her singing is not that important to her at this point. But I did suspect that part of her fit to retire may indeed be tied to her limited range and lung capacity. Finally, as someone mentioned earlier Joni's voice is much more in tune these days for blusier and jazzier renditions. Joni - please come to Chicago for the help that you could get hanging with the Blues community here - and of course I will be your guide! Thanks again Kakki - must light up myself now as I am listening to Diana Krall, speaking of jazz. You gotta smoke when you listen to this smokey jazz sound! A very "dear" old friend suprised me with several homemade cd's tonight! Good going - many points for her! Peace Susan NP: Diana Krall/I've Got You Under My Skin - --- kakki wrote: > Susan, > > Today while I was out on my smoking break (that quiet time where I sometimes > ponder about topics on the list), I was running through my head the jmdler > singers who smoke but who have not seemingly been affected by the awful > habit and I swear you were right at the top of my list. (I've heard your > absolutely amazing performance from the last J-Fest). I have an impressive > list of members in mind but will not name them so as to not embarrass them. > > > I've had the Joni smoking discussion with a couple of jmdler singers and > they say, like you, that the problem is with her breathing - or lack of > strong lung capacity probably due to the smoking. I would never disagree > with that. What doesn't add up to me as far as blaming it completely on the > smoking is that I heard her voice change significantly so many years ago - > back in the 70s. The change to me seemed kind of sudden - that is why the > smoking rationale doesn't add up 100%. And for many years, I was also very > upset with it because I loved her early voice so much. > > I've thought for the past few years that she has consulted a vocal coach. I > think she has had to do this. It also occurred to me, sadly, that maybe she > is all too aware of how much her voice has changed and that may be one of > the real reasons she keeps saying she is going to retire. I'm at the point > where I don't care anymore what she sounds like - I'd just be happy for her > to continue. T-Log sounds pretty good to me, all things considered. I also > thought she sounded a lot like Peggy Lee. When BSN came out I played it for > my parents to get their take on the remake of all their old fave songs, and > my mother, who has heard the constantly playing of Joni's songs from the > beginning, said very authoritatively "Now that is GOOD, she has FINALLY > learned how to sing!" Go figure! > > Kakki Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:00:02 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 27 1974: The album "Miles Of Aisles" was certified gold by the RIAA. 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Municipal Auditorium in Bangor, Maine. 1985: The video for the first single "Good Friends" premiered on MTV. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:00:02 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 27 On November 27 the following items were published: 1976: "Joni: Summer Lawns, Grey Gardens" - Melody Maker (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=186 1976: "The tip of the iceberg" - Sounds (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=354 1982: "Songs For Ageing Children" - New Musical Express (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=210 1982: "Wild Things Run Fast" - Melody Maker (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=190 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:04:28 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's statue In a message dated 11/27/2002 12:21:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, hvnphun16@hotmail.com writes: > Anybody recall any other statue lyrics? > > Here he comes after midnight To find her again He will come a few times more Till he finds a lady statue Standing in a door In her door Maybe this could be changed to: He will come and very soon He will find a lady statue In a park in Saskatoon Saskatoon... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:32:41 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Re: Travelogue on 11/26/02 8:37 PM, Chihuahua50@aol.com at Chihuahua50@aol.com wrote: > I know this is not a popular opinion on this list and at times I seriously > have to wonder if I somehow got some kind of different version than the one > everybody else is listening to. Maybe I got some kind of early demo version > by mistake. The Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind.... Really? All people do on this list is spew their Joni opinions. Even the heavy fans have suggested ways in which Joni might improve her work or her life. I've never had a sense that she has been treated like the "Emporer" from the story. > Between the last two CDs and Joni's ranting in the press, my love for her is > waning, Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds. (William S.) > and I can only hope that she will bounce back minus Larry Klein, and > minus the orchestra, with some new material. > I hear the Emporer favors Mr. Klein. I hope you have used a fake name. > Wouldn't it be nice to hear Joni in a studio with a guitar and a piano and > some new songs? Yes. > I'm not asking her to paint a starry night again. But you are asking her do do something other than what she wants to do? > In fact, it seems like what she's attempted with Travelogue is to paint a > starry night again, and it didn't work. I always interpreted the "paint a starry night" story to be making a statement about the tedium of playing her hits when touring. Joni did her jazz singer thing on Herbie's album. I think she would be brilliant with a jazz combo, but maybe she just figured that it wouldn't be anything new. Or maybe she's saving it for later. I guess we'll see. I the meantime, I'll listen to whatever she wants to play. David ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #363 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)