From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #360 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, November 25 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 360 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni art, poetry, critics ["kakki" ] Re: awww [colin ] Re: Travelogue review - painful! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] For Annie Lennox fans - new song! [Little Bird ] Annie Lennox - try this one? [Little Bird ] Re: Adam Durtz Diaries [again?] ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: travelogue [Alison E ] The ageing female voice [Little Bird ] Re: The ageing female voice [Little Bird ] Make that AGING female voice [Little Bird ] my take on T'log [vince ] JM mention on All Things Considered [vince ] Re: Art criticism - why? [Michael Paz ] Travelogue Through Time [Scott Price ] Re: For Annie Lennox fans - new song! [FredNow@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Women performers and ageing [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing ["mack watson-bush" <] Re: Art criticism - why? [Monafitz@aol.com] Re: JM mention on All Things Considered ["RSM" ] Giving Vince Mendoza his due, part 1 of ?? was "wow, again." ["Jim L'Homm] Re: For Annie Lennox fans - new song! ["Mark or Travis" ] Winn-Dixie cold cut theives ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #522 unsubscribe ["karen monte" Subject: Joni art, poetry, critics Been catching up with the digests at smoe.org from the past few days (my computer crashed in a power outageFriday and ate all the mail in my inbox ;-( Lots of good reading on critics and art and everything else. My 3 cents - Joni's art - She has always told us she was a painter first - from the time she was a child. I know what that is like because I was painting everything in sight from the time I was a toddler. It was like I was born with that and I wasn't much good at anything else except words and a love of music throughout school. A love for, and desire to want to do nothing but, painting from such a young age is something that is so inherently buried in me that it will always want to express itself. I had to do other things to make a living (having no benefactors or patrons to support me) and had to suppress the painting to a large extent when I "grew up." I did find a way to excel at other things that were more immediately "marketable" and provided a steady income. In a sense, that is what Joni did, too. Her music may always be regarded as superior to her painting, but as she has said a few times, that was more of a "job" to her. But her first love and urge is to paint! I don't have the luxury of time to indulge myself in painting as much as I'd like to, but if, and when I ever do, that it where you will find me. Not to become prominent or famous in the art world, not to compete with thousands of other painters, not to have the esteemed critics approve of me, but because it is something that is essential for me to do. It is another way of expressing what one sees, hears, thinks and imagines where words and sometimes even music fails. The other side of the artist coin are people like I met in college who had never drawn or painted or created anything before who enrolled in the arts program saying "I am going to be one of the greatest artists of all time." Disturbing to me then and now. I seriously doubt that Joni likes to include her paintings with her music packaging because she wants to split peoples' critical attention. "Oh why are you forcing me to look at these paintings of yours when all I want to do is hear your lyrics and music?" I think she simply does it because that is part of who she is. Hopefully it doesn't *detract* from someone's enjoyment of the music. I really don't think she is doing it so that people will now consider her a great "artiste." I don't think all of Joni's lyrics are poetry, but some definitely strikes me as brilliant and genuine poetry. My academic pedigree and achievements are not in the stratospheric level, but not entirely pedestrian, either. Many of her lyrics rank right up there with, or better, a lot of what I was exposed to in my advanced English classes. A number of Dylan, Van Morrison and Stevie Wonder (oh and Jim Morrison ;-) songs also qualify as bonafide poetry in my book. Critics - I mostly avoid reading the "professional" ones in advance - they rarely help me in choosing whether to buy a piece of music or art or a movie ticket. A few of the ones who have reviewed Travelogue truly do not seem to have really listened to it or have just turned in a hack job. The most insightful reviews of Joni's and many other artists' music I've ever read have been right here on this list. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:48:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: awww >If you say you like something, or don't like it, you are giving it a >thumbs up or thumbs down, just like a critic. You're just not >saying why. > sort of. except if i like something or not, has no bearing on the validty ofthe piece. Just cos I like it, doesn't make it good, or bad if I don't like it. If i took notice of other people's opinions, there would be a lot of music I didn't hear and films I didn't see! I make up my own mind. I have all of Joni's albums. Those I like and those I dislike are the same despite 5 .5 years on this list. >RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:26:33 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue review - painful! In a message dated 11/24/2002 11:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > I think her next CD should be a tribute to Tom Waits, since > she is sounding more and more like him. Pitiful! That guy is on to something...we've knocked that idea around here a couple of times, and I'd love to see Joni do it. Might even inspire her to come up with some new ideas. Holly Cole did a wonderful Waits tribute. Maybe Tom can show her how he writes and records new songs without a choreographer & a hair extension. ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:34:42 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: For Annie Lennox fans - new song! For any fans of Annie Lennox, here is a leaked preview of the first single from her upcoming solo album, due out in early 2003. It's called A Thousand Beautiful Things. http://th.t.free.fr/Audio/Annie%20Lennox%20-%20(New%20song!)1,000%20Beautiful%20Things.mp3 - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Annie Lennox - try this one? Note: forwarded message attached. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:20:59 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Adam Durtz Diaries [again?] This reminded me - I saw on Counting Crows' website that they have re-recorded Big Yellow Taxi with Vanessa Carlton and are releasing it as a single, complete with video. I listened to the song at the website, and it's pretty "poppy" sounding, so maybe radio will actually play it and earn Joni many more royalty pennies. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:29:27 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Adam Duritz Diaries [again?] In a message dated 11/25/2002 1:20:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, sybilskelton@hotmail.com writes: > I saw on Counting Crows' website that they have > re-recorded Big Yellow Taxi with Vanessa Carlton and are > releasing it as a > single, complete with video. That's pretty interesting, Sybil, and a bit ironic that it seems to be the track from Hard Candy that's generating the most buzz. Have they released "Butterfly In Reverse" as a single? I think that's far & away the best thing on the disc. Like you say, good news for Joni, to be sure! Bob NP: Cat Power, "Peking Saint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:41:11 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: thoughts on criticism & ageing andrew wrote >>>There are not that many office furniture critics, although they probably do exist<<< lol, andrew...that would be my husband, who as a designer, has strong feelings about such things! but really what i wanted to say is i really enjoy your thoughtful posts...how old are you? much wisdom for someone who i think said they were quite young... re: that amazon review....no doubt joni's voice has been affected by smoking (if my lungs could take it i might think of taking up smoking as i love that smoky voice...just kidding) what few seem to be talking about or taking into consideration is the natural ageing of a voice, especially a woman's, that happens anyway...& it really bugs me when people talk about her voice in comparison to when she was younger...i hear many of the same qualities in her voice now that was there when she was younger...but it is a voice that has aged... this is the work & the voice of an almost 60 year old woman...& i applaud her for her vitality at this stage of her life- to take on such a monumental project, not too just rest on her laurels...but to still be taking the risk, because it is quite a risk she took, redoing her songs in a new format & singing them again ... just look at all the criticism she is getting, most of which is in some way, comparing her songs & voice to the her original versions...honestly, i love both of her voices...the voice when she was young & the voice she has now...they are not exclusive of each other... this is not meant as a criticim of those who do not like the record for whatever reasons...there are plenty of things i just don't like & no argument from anyone can change my mind... however, there is a nagging thought that keeps coming up for me...& i may take some flack for this from those who will insist this is not why they do not like her voice...but i bring it up as a question to see if it is worth considering... if it is possible to put the smoking issue aside for one moment....is there some insidious youth culture in all of us (i include myself) that is afraid of ageing which makes it hard for us to accept the natural ageing process- especially that of a woman....it is so common to admire someone for their youthfulness rather than admire them for their age...& do we have difficulty seeing the beauty of age because we are so conditioned to only seeing the beauty of youth? why can't we see that both are beautiful in their own way? ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:49:44 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: travelogue ok, folks, just got my shiny-wrapped-in-plastic copy of travelogue...it is stunning, more on that later...but first--- WHERE THE HELL IS DON ROWE WHEN YOU NEED HIM! the version of "you dream flat tires" on this album is AMAZING! it's like the song finally figured out what it is! and i LIKED the version on WTRF! man, it's really a brilliant interpretation. and now playing is "love"...seriously, i didn't think i was going to dig this. alison e. in slc np: joni, "love", travelogue. Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:13:17 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: The ageing female voice Wonderful point, Kate. I do think Joni's voice has changed drastically and a lot of it is probably to do with the simple process of ageing. The most marked difference came between Wild Things Run Fast and Dog Eat Dog, I think. After that it remained more or less consistent until Taming The Tiger, when I noticed a further lowering - "The general offered no apologies..." It rebounded quite a bit for Both Sides Now and on Travelogue it's back down to the base, and much dryer in sound, a thinner voice than on Both Sides Now. I am thinking of some of the other older women in music, like Tina Turner and Cher, and have to conclude that their voices have not changed as radically as Joni's has, which leads me to believe that it is the smoking that has affected it so noticeably. I have quite a bit of respect for Joni as an ageing woman in the entertainment business, but I think that's rare in our culture. She is the only woman her age who acts her age, really. She artistically writes about and sings about the themes and emotions that affect people of her generation, something other women have abandoned in favour of facelifts and tight leather outfits. (I'm refering to Cher's plastic visage and Tina Turner's dominatrix outfit from her previous tour.) I think Tina Turner is an incredible performer, but I think so many women love her precisely because she doesn't act her age. "Can you believe she's 63?" they all say. Yes, it's hard to believe that a 63 year-old woman can look so youthful, dance and kick in high-heels and rock the night away with the best of them, but it's not normal. She is a rarity. Our youth-obsessed culture, however, sees her as a beakon to women everywhere, like some final vestige of hope that 'you too can beat ageing!' Wrikles? Tina Turner doesn't have wrinkes! Lack of energy? Tina Turner runs 5 miles a day! It's unrealistic for the majority of women and yet I heard Oprah Winfrey say the other day that Tina Turner is her inspiration for how to age gracefully. What about Joni? Is she not ageing gracefully because she is content being a 59 year-old woman who LOOKS like a 59 year-old woman? I think Joni is ageing much more gracefully than Tina Turner, but tell that to a world obsessed with night creams and tummy-tucks. A few years ago Natalie Merchant was on The View and she pointed out that Joni Mitchell was the only female singer/songwriter she could think of who actually wrote songs about ageing and has invented a role for herself as an older female musician in a youth-obsessed culture. Right on, Natalie! I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about Joni's later body of work and he said that it reminded him of listening to a grandmother singing songs. And that's exactly what it is! I thought it was a beautiful observation. And there is a comfort in Joni's new voice, something familar and calm. It's dripping with wisdom and experience, which is so rare to hear these days. With Joni Mitchell, one is consistently witnessing history in the making. And the same holds true with Travelogue. She is breaking ground and the masses just don't see it yet. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: The ageing female voice I just realized I "outed" myself as a viewer of Oprah Winfrey and The View. Don't beat me, please... - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Make that AGING female voice I'm a bad speller. I spelled beacon wrong too. Don't beat me, please... - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:59:10 -0500 From: vince Subject: my take on T'log This review will verify why some people hate critics! T'log was better than I thought it would be based on the sound clips. What I really felt over all was that this was like a very special evening with Rosemary Clooney or Peggy Lee or Frank Sinatra or Tony Bennett... not is not a negative comment, it just had that feel to me. As a fan, I would love it and be on my feet applauding were I in the audience. If I wasn't already a fan, no big deal. The loss of voice really got to me. I don't think it is just aging. Cough. Cough. "Love" did nothing for me the first time around and failed to do it for me on this. And Joni's voice doesn't rise above the orchestration. I finally heard Joni sing a version of Woodstock that I don't care for. And I hated the chorus in Sire of Sorrows and God must be a boogie man. Edit out those chorus singers and I would have loved these versions. All the passion and anger that drove For the Roses, and made it such a great recording,, is missing. The sense of an intimate conversation that was not ever vocalized but more of a continual vapor thought process crystallized in a moment for our hearing which is Amelia is missing. For the rest, I was reminded of why I am a Joni fan, why she is an all-time person with me. Slouching and Judgment (why the extra "e" on the track listings?) were made for this treatment. I'd like to remix them even more with a classical bent. Borderline, Dawntreader, and Last Time I Saw Richard were excellent. Refuge of the Road and Hejira lost their sense of freedom and movement, but these were certainly interesting interpretations. I suspect I won't play this much - I don't have those cultured evenings at home where I listen to classy music, and in the car, I like something that I can sing along to and the phrasing of these interpretations are so particularly Joni that I don't think I'll ever sing along with them. On the other hand, I listened to these while driving on open road in open country and the album lends itself towards that listening location - - space does affect our perception of what we hear, and perhaps it was where I was physically that allowed much of T'log to fill up all the space around me with beauty. I'm glad that I did not hear this the first time in an enclosed room. It was just so perfectly set for listening to in the wide open spaces. I sure would like new Joni lyrics for Circle Game. I wrote my own new lyrics years ago. The span of life of the song sounded so vast when I was 20 (and I wasn't as jaded as the boy in the song at 20) but with some new lyrics reflecting a (our) longer life span, it would be a life time anthem. It almost cramps the album to end with a song that thinks turning 20 is a final stage in the circle of life. I was thinking as I was listening about Joni and Eminem. Yes, of course I was. One artist got her ground of being of being in Detroit, one totally developed in Detroit, and both identify heavily with African American music. And for all the rap (clever pun) on Em being white in a black genre, at least he has never appeared on an album cover as black persons of various genders. Joni has always thought of much of her music as African American (I think I have read this in her interviews through the years). So I would like to hear Joni do her next set of remixes and interpretations - not with a rapper, that is just not her - but with a great blues band. I think that would pick up the rhythms and really put her music in some contexts where it would be so natural. Joni with her cigarette singing the blues with a great band at 2 am - now that I would love to see and ever more hear. Joni, come back to Detroit, or Chicago, or Memphis, someplace where the blues are thick and heavy and infuse yourself with some blues rhythms and give us that album... I think your whole oeuvre cries out for you to do that interpretation next. Just my random and meaningless thoughts. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:35:28 -0500 From: vince Subject: JM mention on All Things Considered Since I wasn't paying attention very closely, I kept missing the first part of the announcement on All Things Considered that ended with "Joni Mitchell's new album which spans the length of her career." And then again, I am not even sure if that was on nation wide All Things Considered, or a sponsorship note from a Michigan sponsor on WUOM (University of Michigan). It possibly was Borders book store sponsoring the local broadcast or the national broadcast since I very faintly remembering hearing the word Borders when I wasn't listening. It was on at least twice so you'd think I would have caught it the second time, but nooooooo.... Just nice to hear Joni's name on the radio. Too bad I have no clue (how often that is true) about what was being said. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:42:14 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Art criticism - why? Hi Andrew- I am one of those freaks that you might be hard pressed to find. I don't mind coming out of the closet about artists I do like that are not necessarily cool to like. Britney is one of them that I DO like. I am not crazy for her, but I "get it" so to speak. I also LOVE Nsync and Backstreet Boys, Michael Jackson, Bee Gees (early years pre disco), Bread (yes I love that song Diary and If and It Don't Matter to Me and Guitar Man) and I even like Celine Dion (although I don't own any of her records. But then I have been up close and personal with lots of them and worked along side of them which might cause me a little biased. I usually prefer not to divulge in writing my dislikes, but for the sake of argument I can't stand Madonna or Donna Summer, absolutely was in mortal pain throughout the disco era. There is not that much music that I dislike. My friend Zachary Richard might have a cut on the new Celine album and I am praying for this cause I know it can help with his retirement. It's great to have diversity and people liking different stuff. What is really a drag is when people put down other people for their dislikes or likes for that matter. Best Paz P.S. You ought to hear this song my friend Beth Patterson wrote to the tune of the theme from Titanic. She works in an Irish bar a lot and when the movie came out she got asked all the time to play that song. It really is hysterical. I need to check and see if she has the lyrics posted some where and post them here. on 11/24/02 8:08 PM, Little Bird at littlebird3333@yahoo.com wrote: > I think we'd be hard pressed to find a major supporter of Britney Spears on > this list, and even if there was one, he or she would think twice before > coming out of the closet about it. Because, as critics (and we are all > critics!), we have defined Britney Spears as a lesser artist than Joni > Mitchell. And, she is a lesser artist than Joni Mitchell - it's just a fact of > life. But who defines that? Would a 16 year-old fan of Britney agree with that > evaluation or would she defend Britney to the end and denigrate Joni in the > process? Borderlines, baby. Borderlines. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:15:32 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Travelogue Through Time Joni's latest album, Travelogue, has had my attention for a few days and it will take several more for it to sink in. Like so many others here, I was blown away by the packaging and spent at least an hour studying the book and the CD visuals before delving into the music. Upon opening the book, I saw the image of Icarus and knew that we were about to be taken on a journey up toward the sun. Also like Icarus, I knew that at some point we'd crash back to earth, and it didn't take long before the images of September 11 were bringing me back to the cold and still unbelievable events of that day. Joni depicts the television news camera images of the towers on fire, the faces in the smoke, and a president bearing the weight of the catastrophe wrought by people whose motives are unfathomable to most of us. A ghastly scenario was hinted at before in "Slouching Toward Bethlehem," which foresaw a "blood dimmed tide loosed upon the world," but who could have guessed it would be this horrendous? Her painting of the flag of the United States being raised by firefighters with the World Trade Center ruins in the background pays tribute to the victims as well as the survivors and chillingly illustrates the lyrics: "innocence is drowned in anarchy" while trying to comprehend the actions of those who are "full of passion without mercy." The next several paintings seemingly accompany "Refuge of the Roads" which is my all-time favorite Joni composition. The cross-country trip which spawned the song and the album "Hejira" was just one of her life's journeys, but exemplifies how she observes and captures the things one can see as we go through life. Next up, to the lyrics from "Woodstock," and "The Circle Game," we see pictures of children playing in the idyllic setting and a portrait of Marlin, her grandson, who may be a couple of generations removed but will soon enough find the circles of time passing ever more quickly and will be dragging his feet to slow them down. After reading some reviews and previews of the album I was most pleasantly surprised to find that this ravaged voice I had been hearing about was actually sounding more youthful and strong that it had on the last project (BSN). Joni has chopped off so many of the sustaining notes lately that it sometimes seems that she is short of breath, but on several of the "Travelogue" songs she belts it out and holds the notes and proves that reports of her vocal deterioration are greatly exaggerated. The sopranic innocence is gone but has been replaced by a highly-nuanced presentation that colors the sonic palette with an ease that could only come from an artist so supremely talented. The lack of Mitchell vocal overdubs (a trademark throughout her career) is not missed due to the dramatic flourishes of the orchestra and the featured players, especially Wayne Shorter, whose expressive riffs help create these musical masterpieces. With so many instruments in the orchestra and the arrangements which quickly move between moody quiet passages to huge crescendos there are abundant musical colors throughout. The songs are all-so-familiar to those of us who have played the older albums for years. To re-work them all, with the new arrangements, was a courageous move that will no doubt draw fire from critics who are content with the old versions, but they give me a whole new appreciation for her craft and also speak volumes for her ability as a songwriter. Only songs with a deep and complex base, songs like "Judgement of the Moon and Stars," "Slouching Towards Bethlehem," and "The Sire of Sorrow" could be given this orchestral treatment and remain so cohesive and dramatic. Others, such as "The Dawntreader" and "The Last Time I Saw Richard," show true creative genius in their adaptations. Joni, I've been travelling this road with you for 30 years. We've seen many of the same things, felt many of the same things, but you have the unique ability to convey that which you see and feel to us through your music and your art. "Travelogue" is a continuation as well as a review of the journey, richly annotated and inspiring. Life may indeed be a circle game; everything goes around and around, including your songs. But you show us that as the cycle continues, there is still room to consider, to adapt, to reinvent, and for that, I thank you. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:45:35 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: For Annie Lennox fans - new song! littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: >For any fans of Annie Lennox, here is a leaked preview of the first single >from her upcoming solo album, due out in early 2003. It's called A Thousand >Beautiful Things. > >http://th.t.free.fr/Audio/Annie%20Lennox%20-%20(New%20song!)1,000%20Beautiful %20Things.mp3 This link worked for me at 6pm CST 11/25/02, and, even better, the song *really* worked for me. I love Annie Lennox; her album "Diva" is one of my all-time faves, I love "Medusa," too, and this new song is making me salivate for her new one, which I will make a point of buying since I've tasted for free. Thanks for posting that, Little Bird. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:48:38 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing > if it is possible to put the smoking issue aside for one moment....is there some insidious youth culture in all of us (i include myself) that is afraid> of ageing which makes it hard for us to accept the natural ageing process-especially that of a woman....it is so common to admire someone for their youthfulness rather than admire them for their age...& do we have difficulty seeing the beauty of age because we are so conditioned to only seeing the beauty of youth? There's some validity to this, I'm sure. But let's face it, the problem is smoking. Critics who aren't mentioning the vocal problems in their reviews are being kind, but not doing Joni any favors, really. Someone in her inner circle, if she listens to anyone, needs to level with her: time to stop smoking or stop singing. Or at least limit the singing to jazzy numbers she can smokily croon through. But even that won't be possible after another year or two of smoking. Listening to much of this new collection is painful, and not because of Mendoza's arrangements. I hate to say it, but it's true. I adore Joni, as you all do, but the handwriting has been on the wall for years now. On that dreadful note...happy Thanksgiving to all. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:49:31 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Women performers and ageing Sorry about the inelegant title, but I've lost the original thread; it was on the subject of Joni being the only female singer-songwriter who's writing about growing old. Well, I agree that there aren't many of them around, but I would like to raise a cheer for Kate & Anna McGarrigle's wonderful album Heartbeats Accelerating, which has some beautiful songs on this very topic, including the quietly devastating "I Eat Dinner". And then there's the superb new album from Linda Thompson, which is unmistakably the work of a middle-aged woman who's been through a lot and emerged bloodied but unbowed, and indeed with a new lease of creative life. Until she was tragically taken from us, Laura Nyro, too, was writing and singing passionately about all manner of things that were clearly close to her heart and relevant to where she was in her life. And as for female performers who've retained their dignity into middle age: well, we had Joni contrasted with Cher and Tina Turner; the name that is screaming to be mentioned here is the redoubtable Bonnie Raitt, an examplar of all that is honourable and admirable in being a touring musician. A few others that spring to mind, mostly a bit younger than Joni, would be: Lucinda Williams (round about 50 and a formidable and fabulous woman) June Tabor (has grown and developed her own unique niche) Marianne Faithfull (an object lesson in how to grow old disgracefully) Jane Siberry (a true genius, whose next record is always eagerly awaited by the faithful) Emmylou Harris Azeem in London PS Although I'm not a big fan, I can't resist the temptation to pre-empt Colin and say "what about Carly Simon?" - still singing as well as ever, despite having "partied" with the best of them! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:22:26 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing Bryan wrote: There's some validity to this, I'm sure. But let's face it, the problem is smoking. Balderdash. The only ones that would know that would be Joni herself and her physician. Critics who aren't mentioning the vocal problems in their reviews are being kind, but not doing Joni any favors, really. As a smoker, I would imagine Joan would not be interested in this anti-smoking tripe than I am. Someone in her inner circle, if she listens to anyone, needs to level with her: time to stop smoking or stop singing. That is absolutely ludicrous. But even that won't be possible after another year or two of smoking. Listening to much of this new collection is painful, and not because of Mendoza's arrangements. I hate to say it, but it's true. I adore Joni, as you all do, but the handwriting has been on the wall for years now. Then don't listen. Sad, but obviously true, that the anti-smoking agenda has even reached here. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:23:51 EST From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re: Art criticism - why? In a message dated 11/25/02 6:42:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: > . It's great to have diversity and people liking > different stuff. What is really a drag is when people put down other people > for their dislikes or likes for that matter. > Well, said Mr. Paz and worthy of coming out of lurkdom for. .. Put another way.... Diversity makes for interesting characters....and life is made interesting by the characters that we know in it. Cheers, Mona Mona L. Fitzgerald monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:28:03 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: JM mention on All Things Considered Here is the website for the radio report you missed. Listen to it on your computer! http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=854780 To quote: In his special year-end installment of Director's Cuts, Ned Wharton, music director of Weekend Edition Sunday, offers musical gift suggestions, including albums by Tim Sparks, Joni Mitchell and Rachel Z. The recommendation of T'log (positive, of course) is about 4-5 minutes in. L.A. Ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" To: "joni" Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: JM mention on All Things Considered > Since I wasn't paying attention very closely, I kept missing the first > part of the announcement on All Things Considered that ended with "Joni > Mitchell's new album which spans the length of her career." > > And then again, I am not even sure if that was on nation wide All Things > Considered, or a sponsorship note from a Michigan sponsor on WUOM > (University of Michigan). > > It possibly was Borders book store sponsoring the local broadcast or the > national broadcast since I very faintly remembering hearing the word > Borders when I wasn't listening. It was on at least twice so you'd > think I would have caught it the second time, but nooooooo.... > > Just nice to hear Joni's name on the radio. Too bad I have no clue (how > often that is true) about what was being said. > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:49:36 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Giving Vince Mendoza his due, part 1 of ?? was "wow, again." Beautiful? Yeah. There's beauty in it. And fright. Disappointment. Exhilaration. Clarity. Confusion. Syncopation. Swing. There's an *AWFUL* lot here. Today I'm thinking this is the most complex, most layered, most detailed, most varied title yet. I thought this was gonna be a retread. It's emphatically NOT a repeat of anything. It's apparent that Mister Mendoza has given breath to many of Joni's best lines. Remember the "COURT AND SPARK" collection? At the end of "Trouble Child", there are shimmering musical effect after the line "Trouble child, breaking like the waves on Malibu." Vince has fleshed out dozens and dozens of moments in that spirit. In literature when an author gives human characteristics to an animal, it's called an7thro7po7MOR7phism. Does anyone have a word for using instruments to give sound to a thought? To say that he "orchestrated" these tracks is to understate the way he's extracted juice from them, and given them a new metamorphosis. Some of these thoughts have entirely new context. The other day, someone mentioned that "Woodstock" is now a cautionary tale. Boy, howdy! It sure is. Ya know, Kate Bennett and her band (Jeff, Chris, and Les if memory serves) anticipated this very aspect of "Woodstock" in her take that closed the JoniFest 2002 in Upstate New York. I was hanging around when they were hammering out the arrangement. When they struck upon the idea repeating the chorus and ending on a minor chord, it took on the ominous tone that Vince also saw within it. Am I the only one who now hears this line in a new and disquieting way? Joni wrote: >> I dreamed I saw the bombers Riding shotgun in the sky>> Admittedly, in Joni's tie-dyed original, she hoped >>>they were turning into butterflies Above our nation.>>> To me, the root of the flower-power thang was a backlash against killing. In later years, like the decades of the 80s and 90s, the peacenik aspect of "Woodstock" took on a soft-focus nostalgia. Since we were no longer at war, and we had the soft-focus M*A*S*H on TV, "Woodstock" became a wishy-washy sentimental tune. No more. We are again looking at the grisly machinery and actively trying to _wish_ ourselves into a brighter, safer world. The whole point to it was "We have to get ourselves BACK TO SOME SEMBLANCE OF A GARDEN." It has been a cautionary tale, lying dormant for thirty-fricken years! Okay. That's one, too-long post about just ONE of Vince's moments. Like I said, there are dozens of moments like that. This album is as much "Joni Does It Vince's Way" as it is "Joni Sings Joni". Like our own David Lahm, Vince "gets" it. Enough for now........ Lama np: "Dead Of the Night" on LP by that Shawn Colvin person. This is a wonderful record. I keep coming back to it. From: "Mark Connely" Subject: wow, again. >>>>> This may be the most beautiful album yet. God, my heart breaks listening to "Love". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:58:13 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: For Annie Lennox fans - new song! > >For any fans of Annie Lennox, here is a leaked preview of the first single > >from her upcoming solo album, due out in early 2003. It's called A Thousand > >Beautiful Things. > > > >http://th.t.free.fr/Audio/Annie%20Lennox%20-%20(New%20song!)1,000%20Beautif ul > > %20Things.mp3 > > > This link worked for me at 6pm CST 11/25/02, and, even better, the song > *really* worked for me. I love Annie Lennox; her album "Diva" is one of my > all-time faves, I love "Medusa," too, and this new song is making me salivate > for her new one, which I will make a point of buying since I've tasted for > free. > > Thanks for posting that, Little Bird. > > -Fred > I just heard it myself and I agree 100% with everything Fred said. Annie Lennox is one of the most talented singers in the business, imo. Wonderful voice. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:32:38 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing Joni has smoked like a chimney for her entire career. I believe what ever effects it may have had on her voice happened a long time ago. Also there is quite a good chance critics didn't mention a voice problem because they didn't hear one, or somebody neglected to tell them there was one.:-) The underground is just as straight as the overground they just don't like change - Lennon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mack watson-bush" To: "JMDL" Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #523 - Aging, smoking singing > Bryan wrote: > > > There's some validity to this, I'm sure. But let's face it, the problem is > smoking. > > Balderdash. The only ones that would know that would be Joni herself and > her physician. > > > Critics who aren't mentioning the vocal problems in their reviews are being > kind, but not doing Joni any favors, really. > > As a smoker, I would imagine Joan would not be interested in this > anti-smoking tripe than I am. > > Someone in her inner circle, if she listens to anyone, needs to level with > her: time to stop smoking or stop singing. > > > That is absolutely ludicrous. > > > But even that won't be possible after another year or two of smoking. > Listening to much of this new collection is painful, and not because of > Mendoza's arrangements. I hate to say it, but it's true. I adore Joni, as > you all do, but the handwriting has been on the wall for years now. > > Then don't listen. Sad, but obviously true, that the anti-smoking agenda > has even reached here. > > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:32:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: My 2 Scents on the 'Louge YUP!! Wow. We're completely on the same page on TRAVELOGUE, Kate. I didn't see much for me in 'HITS', 'MISSES' or 'BOTH SIDES NOW', but this is something wonderful. She's stepped into her own shoes, meaning that she's re-visited these stories as an assured, active, co-interpreter. I'd really like to hear her talk about how she and Vince worked together. Too bad she's retiring from the "cesspool". She seems to be getting on......... swimmingly. :) Lama np: Disc 1 of TRAVELOGUE Kate said, >>>>>> to those of you who don't like this record- have you listened to it in the dark, with no distractions, just letting yourself go where the music takes you...because this record really takes me on a visual journey, if i let it....it's cinematic...>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:32:12 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Winn-Dixie cold cut theives Has anyone heard The Band in the video called "THE LAST WALTZ" talk about shoplifting in supermarkets of the US in the old days? They'd send one guy through the checkout line with a loaf of bread, while the rest of the band (er, The Band) would say, "See ya in the car! We're gonna go on ahead!", skipping the line, with lunch meat loaded down in their Canadian trenchcoats. Winn-Dixie a supermarket chain the the US. I'm sure someone already spotted that, but her enunciation is much clearer on this particular line in the new and wonderful TRAVELOGUE. I agree with the reviewer (and Bennett too) who said this is not background music. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:53:46 -0500 From: vince Subject: [Fwd: JM mention on All Things Considered] X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3DE2EE6A.BDC5ED36@chartermi.net> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:45:47 -0500 From: vince X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSM Subject: Re: JM mention on All Things Considered References: <3DE2B3C0.50797F8E@chartermi.net> <00b301c294eb$113708c0$1832320a@D82RDM11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds like what I heard Sunday on Weekend Edition, which I posted scanty information about yesterday morning and you have admirably added fuller information and a link and I am profoundly grateful! Thank you! I heard something else today, and wish I had heard that instead of semi heard, but it was something different. I have no idea if it was on national ATC or just on the WUOM broadcast. Thanks so much! Vince RSM wrote: > Here is the website for the radio report you missed. Listen to it on your > computer! http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=854780 > > To quote: > > In his special year-end installment of Director's Cuts, Ned Wharton, music > director of Weekend Edition Sunday, offers musical gift suggestions, > including albums by Tim Sparks, Joni Mitchell and Rachel Z. > > The recommendation of T'log (positive, of course) is about 4-5 minutes in. > > L.A. Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vince" > To: "joni" > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:35 PM > Subject: JM mention on All Things Considered > > > Since I wasn't paying attention very closely, I kept missing the first > > part of the announcement on All Things Considered that ended with "Joni > > Mitchell's new album which spans the length of her career." > > > > And then again, I am not even sure if that was on nation wide All Things > > Considered, or a sponsorship note from a Michigan sponsor on WUOM > > (University of Michigan). > > > > It possibly was Borders book store sponsoring the local broadcast or the > > national broadcast since I very faintly remembering hearing the word > > Borders when I wasn't listening. It was on at least twice so you'd > > think I would have caught it the second time, but nooooooo.... > > > > Just nice to hear Joni's name on the radio. Too bad I have no clue (how > > often that is true) about what was being said. > > > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:35:01 -0800 From: "karen monte" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #522 unsubscribe On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 03:00:09 -0500 (EST) JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Monday, November 25 2002 > Volume 2002 : Number 522 > > > > Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! > http://www.jonifest.com > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > njc why criticism - 2nd attempt at sendinf > [vince ] > Today in History: November 25 > [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Today's Library Links: November 25 > [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:38:15 -0500 > From: vince > Subject: njc why criticism - 2nd attempt at > sendinf > > Criticism in the arts is as old as the arts. > The teaching of critical > analysis of various fields of art - and other > things - is taught, and > has been since recorded history, and was > certainly all the craze as far > back as Aristotle and "Poetics." > > A critical review is an important review, in > one sense of the word, as > in "this is of critical importance." And > critical views (as opposed to > fawning reviews, ignorant reviews, puffery > reviews) is of vital > importance - shall I say, critical importance - > to the study of the > arts. > > I rely on critics to evaluate what I want to > buy, see, or experience. I > > have certain reviewers that I go to for certain > things -Blair Kanin on > architecture, for example, the New Yorker and > Michael Wilmington of the > Chicago Tribune for movies, Greg Kot of the > Trib for concerts... > > Read a critic enough and you know the standards > and biases of the > critic. I could tell in two sentences from a > Gene Siskel review if I > wanted to see the movie or not, regardless of > his opinion, because I > knew what he looked for and what I look for and > my experience of Siskel > allowed me to make an informed decision. > > Critics know a lot more than I do about the > subject at hand, where I am > really subjective, I trust their professional > expertise. I may search > out a number of reviews, or sometimes, am > content with one, depending on > > my needs, but if I really want to know about > something, I check many > reviews. I learn a great deal that way. > > (And what have all of the posts on T'log been > but critical reviews of > the album?) > > Of course there are crappy reviewers out there, > and each reviewer has > their places where I know my perspective > differs. There a few bad > drivers out there too but I am not going to > suggest that we ban all > driving. > > Reading Pauline Kael, Stanley Kaufman, and Gene > Siskel taught me so much > > about cinema... Blair Kanin on architecture is > an education in each > review... > > As far as criticism, are we confusing this with > nasty words said by > someone who doesn't like us with a critical > evaluation? Never then go > see a movie with me, for I do a critical > commentary on every movie I see > > as I leave the theater. (Me: I thought that > plot was weak. Gage: Yes, > it made no sense.) (An outstanding moment in > my life was with Gage's > father, Jeremy went to see Beverly Hills Cop II > when he was maybe 9 or > 10 and came home and said, "dad, you were > right, the movie sucked. It > was a series of disconnected scenes." Bingo, > kid, you got it!) > > If someone attends a worship service that I > take part in, I want > critical commentary on me. Did I make sense? > Did I present well? Did > I perform well? Were my words and gestures and > style real and sincere > or wooden and forced? Did I speak too fast? > Did I start talkin like a > Chicagoan an drop the ends off of de wurds in a > flat Chicago accent? > > The best sermon criticism I ever had, someone > said, "good sermon but > your views on [that subject] are myopic." > Well, upon further > examination, my views were indeed myopic! > Thank God for the critical > commentary! > > We had a sermon criticism class in seminary - > we'd videotape ourselves > and with the class review our performance, and > if anyone saw me at the > beginning (not that anyone has seen me now) > you'd be as glad as I am > that I had that class. Any service now to this > day that is videotaped, > I want to see to critically evaluate my > performance. That is how I > improve! And I bet every performing artist in > the JMDL does the same > thing with tapes and reviews from friends. We > ask for, we desire, we > lust for, we need criticism, reaction, our own > critical analysis, so > that we can improve. > > When I served as a chaplain at the U of > Michigan Medical Center, we had > small groups called IPR groups in which we > would critique each other's > interactions with patients. Damn did I learn a > lot! It was essential > to my growth in being a very good pastoral > visitor now, and having > learned the verbatim/critical response process, > I can "IPR" myself on > every visit and see where I missed something, > where my approach was > wrong, where I wasn't listening, where I said > something that mattered to > > the patient. > > Last Stones tour they were roundly criticized > for formula performing. > They took it to heart. The current tour is > amazing, and I doubt it > would have been had it not been for the reviews > that suggested that > Rolling Stones, Inc. was selling a tired > corporate product. The current > > tour is far improved. > > I learned so much in life reading book reviews, > I can't imagine where > I'd be today without those little seminars each > week. In last Sunday's > Chicago Tribune, an excellent review on Charles > Bowden's Down By the > River, a book on the drug cartels and their > interdependency with the > political aristocracy of Mexico, followed by a > review on a subject of > which i knew less than I do now,. the > pioneering role of women in social > > activism in Chicago in the post Chicago Fire > period which set the stage > for Jane Adams and Hull House and a total > re-definition of what it meant > > to assist those in need. > > As far as studying criticism, any good school > with a cinema department > will have classes in criticism. Hell, in > seminary, I studied Biblical > textual criticism, historical criticism, > redaction criticism, among > others, all vital to understanding the > Scriptures and unlocking passages > > and solving those passages which seemingly make > no sense and finding > depths of meaning. > > Art criticism - a subject unto itself and I > learned art appreciation by > reading the critics and reviewers. > > Criticism is not trash talking. Criticism is a > good thing. Of course > it can be done meanly, in spite, and that > perhaps happens far more in > our personal lives than in our public lives. > We have all been trash > talked to the point of pain and tears and we > can all cite reviews that > just plain are no good. > > But that does not negate the essential and > positive role that critical > study, critical reviews, play in our own growth > and understanding of > ourselves and the arts. > > The simple sentence: Joni Mitchell is > ______________ artist. Whatever > you put there, is a critical comment. > > Which recorded version of Woodstock do we like > best? The answer is a > critical study of her various versions - not > that critical means > negative, it simply means a thoughtful > examination based on one's > knowledge, insights, and feelings. And > because each critical review is > > not only objective ("her jazziest version") it > is also subjective, and > thus, I need either one very skilled critic > whom I can rely upon (I know > > the biases and the amount of knowledge and can > make my own judgment > accordingly) or we need 800 critics to give us > a body of critical > studies from which to draw. And has not each > of us had our > understandings of T'log enhanced by the number > of critical (not > negative, but evaluative) comments posted on > these boards? > > When I write something important I circulate > the text amongst people I > trust and beg for, pled for critical comments, > not just proof reading, > but critical comments. And, for example, on my > last paper, Laurent > found a serious flaw in my application of a > descriptive word on a series > > of events that indeed not all of them fit that > description. Since on > that description my paper rises or falls, > Laurent's critical comment > (not negative, but critical, evaluative) was > essential to fixing a fatal > > flaw in the paper, as well as challenge me on > some too easy assumption I > > made and forced me to think and rethink in that > area - so it was all > good. The critical process is essential to the > production of good > work. (Another friend made some critical > comments that were less than > insightful and I noted them but the impacted > nothing. Not all criticism > > is equally valid. And the friend who > contributed nothing to me this > time has made wonderful contributions through > criticism in the past, and > > will again, i hope.) > > Last word; I did a public prayer at a community > Thanksgiving service > which brought together two communities that > never do anything > together. I worked very hard to work in some > humor - ever try to write > > a prayer with humor in it and not make the > prayer a joke? - with some > simple jump points that would cause a sudden > inversion of the symbol so > that a new meaning would be lifted up: i.e., we > give thanks not for what > > we have or want, but rather, we give thanks for > what God has: us. > > So here is me, flaming leftist, with my prayer > with humor that inverts > the old understandings for new meanings and I > got knowing laughs (no one > > laughs during prayer, it was a milestone new > achievement and I loved it > as the humor was not in the joke which didn't > exist but in the irony of > human life that is funny), a few humorous quips > from the congregation > (at least they were involved in the prayer!) > and accomplished my goal of > > waking every one up to hang onto my next word > rather than snooze through > > another typical, boring thanksgiving prayer. > Then I did several symbol > inversions, ending with the major symbol > inversion re-emphasized as > *the* point. > > Results: the very conservative preacher made a > point of my "great > prayer" and two rather conservative pastors > commented that they loved > my familiar, easy way of talking to God in > public prayer as if it were a > > real conversation and not church talk (aha! I > did it!) as well as grab > common symbols from the gathered community that > made the prayer about > their reality, not about "spiritual" things > (aha! I did it!) and the > other conservative pastor said it was "really > God-centered" which > indeed was the attempt with the inversion of > symbols. So I got > reinforcing critical comments. Which was cool. > And had someone pointed > > out something that could have ben better, where > my attempt did not work > as well as I had hoped, that would have been > valuable as well so that I > can improve my ability to do this. > > Long and boring, but I feel compelled to > support the good and utterly > essential role that critical evaluation, > critical comments, critical > reviews play in improving and understanding the > arts and public > performance. > > the ever boring (self criticism at its finest) > Vince > > > PS I would affirm that Britney Spears is a > major talent, and a better > talent, in the world of dance tunes usable in > aerobics classes - a sub > category of music in which she excels and Joni > sucks, unless Joni is big > > time re-mixed and not always then. Will > Britney last? I think not. > But she has her niche, and she does her niche > art well. The fact that > other than its application in aerobics I have > little use for it is just > a factor of my life. > > The critical study of office furniture is a > major concern of Herman > Miller, located about 30 miles from me, where > criticism of function, > structure, lay out, and ergonomics of office > furniture allows them to > improve their products. Many people are in > that field, critically > analyzing office furniture, and every time I > set in my new office chair, > > I am thankful. And I look to those people with > a key to getting the > feng shi of my office right. too. > > more boring - that's me! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:03:03 -0500 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today in History: November 25 > > 1976: Joni joined The Band's "Last Waltz" at > the Winterland Ballroom in San Francisco. She > sang backup to Neil Young on "Helpless" and > with The Band on "Acadian Driftwood", performs > "Coyote", "Shadows And Light", and "Furry Sings > The Blues", and joins Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, > Neil Diamond, Dr John, and others for the grand > finale "I Shall Be Released." > More info: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/LastWaltz.html > - ---- > For a comprehensive reference to Joni's > appearances, > consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of > Appearances: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:03:03 -0500 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today's Library Links: November 25 > > On November 25 the following items were > published: > > > 1970: "Alberta-born Singer Gets Raves in > London" - Alberta Herald > (Review - Concert) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=431 > > > 1982: "More Songs About Love From Joni > Mitchell" - Rolling Stone > (Review - Album) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=303 > > > 1982: "Wild Things Run Fast" - Rolling Stone > (Interview, with photographs) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=302 > > > 1994: "Thirty Years With a Portable Lover" - > Los Angeles Weekly > (Biography, with photographs) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=165 > > > > - -------- > Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2002 #522 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: > mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? > (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) > unsubscribe monte ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #360 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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