From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #351 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, November 21 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 351 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #350 [SAVtheWAVE@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #350 ["kakki" ] Re: Asian Gentleman ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: 2 Joni Disappointments [Gerald McNamara ] Travelogue - cost? [Little Bird ] Re: Travelogue - cost? ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Is Joni a poet? [John Low ] Travelogue - VALUE !!, *WAS* RE: Travelogue - cost? ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(L] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:19:36 EST From: SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #350 In a message dated 11/20/02 10:07:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > What an astounding work in every way. It is overwhelming. > > Kakki > To say it is astounding work in every way is exactly right and yes, it is overwhelming. I have not been able to absorb it all as yet. There are so many paintings that need interpretation. I am amazed at the Osama and Bush paintings, in particular and their juxtapostion to one another ( naturally ), but I am wondering more about the other figures that have been purposely placed in each ot those pieces. I am especially curous about the older woman that stands behind Bush and the look that she is giving him while he obviously has been brought somewhere, he must have wished he never was brought to. The two female figures in the Osama painting clearly shows the two different ways of life of women, a strict fundamentalist vs.a very free individual. I could go on, but wanted to read more of what others thought of these two pieces, in particular . Yes Kakki, the eggs have intrigued me too. Just today, while looking at the eggs in the palms of her hands, I thought that perhaps they represented the fragile componenet to life. Any other thoughts? Joe ( in rhode island ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:58:22 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #350 Hi Joe, Nice to see you back again. I've looked at the placement of the paintings a few times now and have my own conclusions about them. They make perfect and beautiful sense to me, but maybe it is best for each individual to see them in their own meaning so I hesitate from giving my own interpretation. That's what makes her so amazing - the interpretations can be endless because she is so universal in her art. As far as the two egg theme, again I think there are many interpretations - all the ones given here so far I agree with. My first rough take was that maybe one egg represents the ongoing birth and creation of her earthly art and the other represents the birth and creation of her child and grandchildren. "Here is what I offer to the world." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:37:46 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Re: Asian Gentleman Thanks to whoever identified this man. I thought it was a painting of Colin Powell and I simply could not get my mind around that. After the paintings of 9/11, Bush and the flag, a front and center painting of Colin Powell was simply too much for me to take at this moment (having only listened to the first CD). Only an artist as great as Joni could make me go past these images to try to figure out WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING ON AN ALBUM OF HER MUSIC. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 5:32:49 UTC From: Gerald McNamara Subject: Re: 2 Joni Disappointments hell wrote: > > I called our local Borders store today, thinking they'd be up with the play. > Travelogue is current "on order" and will probably get here in about 3 or 4 > weeks. And it will cost $68.95. > > Then I checked the website of the largest independent music store here in > Auckland, and they have it listed. It can be ordered from the UK, and will > take 3 or 4 weeks to arrive. And the cost is $84.95. > I know how you feel, Hell. I've seen Travelogue here in Melbourne for $78 ( which is $43.50 US). Although I paid more than that for the hat-box last time, I'm gunna have to wait for a local release. It's just too expensive for me. -Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:48:40 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Travelogue - cost? How much is the album in the U.S., guys? It's not out in Canada yet, but I can gage the price by how much it is in the U.S. I know it's more than your average $16.99 CD. Those import prices you cited are outrageous, Gerald! - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:10:37 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Travelogue - cost? > How much is the album in the U.S., guys? It's not out > in Canada yet, but I can gage the price by how much it > is in the U.S. I know it's more than your average > $16.99 CD. > I saw it at Tower today for $28.99. But I'm waiting til I can get to Borders and redeem the very nice gift that a very generous JMDLer sent me for answering a political question on the list. (Thanks Bree!) Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:05:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Low Subject: RE: Is Joni a poet? clueless in connecticut wrote: >I know Joni would consider herself a poet,but >objectivly could she be called a poet?What exactly is >the difference betweena poetry and song >lyrics,anyway? I think there is a difference. A song is made up of lyrics and music, each an equally important and essential component of a composition that would not exist were either to be eliminated. In other words the lyric is written as part of a larger work. A poem, on the other hand, is written as an independent whole. It stands alone as a complete work, its music the rhythms of human speech. Despite this, however, a lyric can occasionally stand on its own and a poem can sometimes be put to music. But then, of course, both become something different! While Joni has put her creative effort into song writing I do believe she could also write good poetry. Wish she would!! John (clueless in Sydney) Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:19:17 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Travelogue - VALUE !!, *WAS* RE: Travelogue - cost? In a bricks-and-mortar store in the USA (not America), I paid $29.98 plus tax. Like everyone else who likes images, I was completely un-prepared for the built-in book. There's a scope to the images, a quiet claim that she's completely anticipated all of the disappointment and hope of the past year. As her own curator, she's found the same disappointment, the same hope, in her own catalog of songs, painted new images that make the old recordings seem like... well they seem like she was foreshadowing this collection. With finesse she chose background color & texture. I don't think I've yet seen anyone mention the completely unexpected and intimate setting for the paintings. (Hint: Wally Breese, bless his soul, would have recognized the setting.) With characteristic brevity and precision, she added in only enough text make you nod, and anticipate hearing those words in a NEW setting, as she's just shown you the themes updated in a new setting. As Joni did in her best work, she's working with new media. Here, she's in a place to reflect her old themes, especially those of danger and longing for love into new context. She's no longer angry about having the 'hits' on one disc. This collection is Joni, the master, reflecting on her whole catalog. More than 'hits'; more than 'misses'; more than the live albums; more than the PwWaM video. She's now accepted herself in some new way. She seems to be going through a process of going, "Ya know, it's okay to hold these up for exultation. This is very solid work. These themes hold up. These songs hold up. Here, it's as if she writing a post that any of us might, saying >>>>>> Yeah. This work is universal. Yeah, "Muslims hold up Washington." It's true today. Yeah, "You're a mean ol' daddy but (gee whiz) I like you." It's true today. "If they just once glimpsed their groom, then they'd know." It's true today. You're damn straight it's true today. >>>>>> She knows that these themes are reflected in today's news, today's friends, today's newly extended family, and the never-ending process of painting. And yeah, it's okay to put them together because, as Neil Young said from the stage after 911 "everything means something different now." I sense a new pride though. We're not listening to the giddy chanteuse doing songs of love and travel. On top of that, the images are presented in HER OWN context, as if someone was allowed to document an intimate visit to the master's open air studio, catching an accidental glimpse of a hand putting the finishing touches on this one, as the visitor glimpses another canvas, already finished, out of focus and tilted slightly away in the middle ground. Musically, this set also involves exploration of setting. No it isn't just merely changing instrumentation. Vince Mendoza has really done some bold work. For example, the original "The Sire of Sorrow" was a pastel warm-up for this colossal thump in the solar plexus he's devised. He uses many tempi, many different textures. He loves contrast as much as Joni does. I love the dramatic changes in loudness and Joni's sometimes radical new takes in character and delivery. ************** ************** ************** ************** I have to go to bed now. I wish I could type and type and type all night as I did during the BSN tour was on and PazFest was happening. I'm sure there's much more to say. I've barely scratched the surface of discussing the music. I was completely unprepared for this. I thought it was gonna be a total retread. I thought she was farming out the creativity. I thought of it as a sequel. I was mocking this project a year ago, calling it "Both Sides Now Again: Part 2 (The Sequel)" I was wrong. When her writing goes on hold, the painting flowers. Boy howdy, has it ever! Maybe the audience doesn't buy CDs to thumb through the artwork. The old clichi that "Nobody ever left a Broadway musical, humming the scenery" proves false for me this week. Too damn bad. It works for me. It's as successful at achieving its goal as Springsteen's masterful "The Rising" was. Rock on, Joan. Holy cow, Joan. Where does this stuff COME FROM?!?!?!? Lama ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #351 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)