From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #349 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, November 20 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 349 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Travelogue album edition issue ["Bill Dollinger" ] While Muslims stick up Washington [Little Bird ] T'log ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Re: Joni TV documentary [AsharaJM@aol.com] NZ Music ["flopit" ] Re: "TRAVELOGUE" artwork ["kakki" ] T'log [Merk54@aol.com] Re: "TRAVELOGUE" artwork [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: "TRAVELOGUE" artwork ["kakki" ] just babbling ["walterphil" ] Just in with Travelogue [SAVtheWAVE@aol.com] Re: Getting the word out ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Joni Mitchell Not Quitting ["Heather" ] Re: Travelogue review in Boston Globe - OUCH, long ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Travelogue [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #501 [dgcarl@interactive.rogers.com (Doug Carlson)] Updating Joni's lyrics ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Ouchy reviews [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Travelogue's "Sire of Sorrow" [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JM Painting - Osama and Nude Blond Girlo [Bobsart48@aol.com] Bravo Special [Rick and Susan ] Re: Joni's calling it quits...Joni going indie..Joni NOT quitting ["Bren] travelogue artwork ["patrick leader" ] Re: Joni Mitchell Not Quitting ["kakki" ] 2 Joni disappointments today [Catherine McKay ] Bravo Special [Rick and Susan ] Re: James Taylor and Jackson Browne Interviews - SJC - Long [Bobsart48@ao] Travelogue comes to Can. on the 26th [Little Bird ] RE: the Canadian mentality ["patrick leader" ] Re: Travelogue's "Sire of Sorrow" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Travelogue doesnt scream at us like the rest of us! ["Suzanne MarcAurele"] Canada: work it baby! [Little Bird ] Travelogue, Muslims ["c Karma" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:12:08 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue I am amazed with the booklet, the artwork, the stunning completeness. What is the deal with the virtual gallery? Mine doesn't have it... Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue >>I've seen three separate editions online. One plain 2 cd, one with special booklet, and one with enhanced cd.<< Jerry Crawling out of lurkdom for now---I think they're all one and the same, Jerry. Just got my advance copy today, and the package is spectacular! The domestic, US version has a complete, cardboard outer-case, with a 'hardbound' book (er, travelogue) inside, which holds the disc's and features a 28 page, glossy booklet of quotes, credits and mostly paintings (including a rather scornful looking one of George Dubya, btw). Then, there's a additional booklet entirely of lyrics. Disc 1 also has 'enhanced' cd-rom features, including a virtual gallery of Joni's own paintings that you're gonna love... XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:12:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: An interesting SOCAN footnote Well, probably only interesting to me. I noticed that among those receiving awards in this presentation was: Domestic made for television film music award: Jonathan Goldsmith And in a bit of Joni-related trivia, this guy (I assume it's the same guy) was part of the group (Buzz Circo) that recorded the bizarre "River" on the "Back To The Garden" Canadian compilation. Like I said, only interesting to me...such is the way of a Joni covers freak! :~) Bob NP: Jonatha, "Still Point" 6/4/00 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:16:24 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue whoops, spoke too soon. the first disc was actually disc 2. wow! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue >>Billy: how big are the images of the paintings displayed on the CD in terms of resolution? Are they full-screen? moni<< Hi Moni. Well, the CD 'gallery' is presented in a 'scrolling' format (rather than individual slides), and not really full-screen--partly because the prints are framed, much like the cover portrait. Still, it's very crisp and classy looking, and you have control options of scrolling left OR right - --and even holding a still frame--either with or without audio. And I should probably have made it clear earlier that this wonderful package is indeed included in all standard, US domestic versions of "Travelogue" (thankfully...), and is not a special edition in any way, shape or form. YESSSS ;-) XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:30:47 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: T'log It exceeds my wildest dreams -GORGEOUS. The music blows me away. When I opened the booklet it smelled of paint. The voices book does also. I wonder how they do that. Talk about a complete package. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:31:01 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: While Muslims stick up Washington The selection of songs on Travelogue seems to me to be a subtle look at the current political climate, and what that in turn, has done to the post-September-11th individual. Travelogue is not only a revisitation of some very haunted emotional states for the individual, but also a retrospective of phsysical journeys and pilgrimages - Hejira and Woodstock, to cite two examples. The constant search for paradise is a recurrant theme in Joni's work and she seems to be re-addressing it here. The political overtones are pretty obvious, given the paintings of Osama and Geoge W. Bush. Lines like "While Muslims stick up Washington" take on a whole new meaning, 25 years after they were penned. The song Borderline reveals an awareness of physical borders as well as internal ones - the changing of "pretense" in the song to "defense" is interesting. Getting ourselves back to the garden, it would seem, is paramount in a world so filled with turmoil. A very appropriate selection of songs, given the current political climate. Just some very sketchy, initial thoughts on the political theme. - -Andrew Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:33:12 -0500 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: T'log WOW! Awesome and beautiful, not to sound like a broken record but I am floored, exceeds all of my expectations, and have chills running up and down my spine. I live in Boston and wrote Matthew Gilbert a little note, did he really listen to this? I don't think so.....because Sire of Sorrow has, imho, never sounded better. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:44:03 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni TV documentary Michael O'Malley wrote: <http://www.bravo.ca/aw_music/ >> Anyone in Canada willing to tape this for me on a good grade tape with a decent machine for a possible future tape tree? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:02:11 -0800 From: "flopit" Subject: NZ Music Hi Hell wrote: > > something about NZ music being crap - that will get me going! Sybil replied What?! There is music in NZ?? I had no idea! yeah - theyve got 1 (one) song. its called the haka (sic) oh wait... thats right.... they stole it from samoa :-) (tho i probably shouldnt be talking about rugby after saturdays show....) ron np - the real thing - rory block/keb mo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:13:12 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: "TRAVELOGUE" artwork Oh I've been waiting to see if she included this painting!! ;-) Jimmy wrote: >I'm not sure what the blonde girl exposing her breast over Bin > Laden means, but it's a great painting. I've held off mentioning this one (because I didn't know if it would be publically shown) but she talked about this painting when I saw her last year right after 9/11. She was laughing about it. What it means? Um, I think kinda like something along the lines of that if the radical Islamacists had a more, uh, open society, ahem, and were not so repressed, maybe they wouldn't be so, uh, you know. The way she described it was something like "this girl lifting her blouse and showing him her tits." LOL Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:05:35 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: T'log I just spent my lunch hour, sitting in my car, and listening to some of Tblog b damn, why are lunch hours only an hour! Ibve been on a steady diet of the 14 downloads from the Nonesuch website ever since Jonibs birthday (thanks again, Moni!). At first I felt a little guilty listening to these songs, I should have been patient and waited for the official release, but after listening to Tblog this afternoon, I no longer feel bad. Listening to these previews gave me chance to warm up to some of these arrangements, and since they were only in mono, listening to the official CD is almost like listening to them for the first time anyway. Ibve got nothing but superlatives for this release. The packaging is spectacular, and I havenbt even checked out the CD-Rom Gallery yet. The artwork is beautiful b I actually poured through the entire catalog before playing any of the music. It is worthy of a stand alone viewing b besides, once you start playing the music, you will want to focus all of your attention on that. Oh yeahb& and regarding that music! It is at once, rapturously beautiful, emotionally staggering, and 100% Joni. I sat in my car with tears literally pouring down my face - sometimes out of the sheer beauty of the work, other times overwhelmed by the pure emotions of the songs. The sound quality is everything everyone has raved about b this is truly a sonic wonder. I encourage those who were not blown away by this recording to give it some additional time. I had some doubts when I first started listening to the downloads, but after listening to them pretty much non-stop, and now hearing the actual recordings, I am totally sold on this project. As Kakki so aptly put it, this is a gift, and one I will be cherishing for a long, long time! Jack PS. - Ibm almost sorry Ibm going to see Brian Ferry tonight, because I canbt wait to rush home and listen to this on my home system ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:13:31 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "TRAVELOGUE" artwork Kakki writes: > What it means? Um, I > think kinda like something along the lines of that if the radical > Islamacists had a more, uh, open society, ahem, and were not so repressed, > maybe they wouldn't be so, uh, you know. The way she described it was > something like "this girl lifting her blouse and showing him her tits." That makes sense Kakki. I noticed under the girls right breast, there's a tattoo (I guess) that reads "made". Under her left breast, it reads: re dun dant I didn't know if the "made" and "redundant" were referring to the woman's false looking breast. Did she mention anything about those tattoos Kakki? Jimmy (waiting to get home to actually LISTEN to T-log) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:36:47 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: "TRAVELOGUE" artwork Hmm, Jimmy, she did mention tattoos and the "redundant" theme is a whole nother story which I'll try to answer later. Have to run back to work for now! Kakki That makes sense Kakki. I noticed under the girls right breast, there's a tattoo (I guess) that reads "made". Under her left breast, it reads: re dun dant I didn't know if the "made" and "redundant" were referring to the woman's false looking breast. Did she mention anything about those tattoos Kakki? Jimmy (waiting to get home to actually LISTEN to T-log) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:27:21 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: just babbling gotta cut out these 2 drink lunches if joni thinks madonna is baring too much for her career who was showing her naked ass in the gatefold of "for the roses?" even carly "pressed ham" simon never went that far! sorry-national lampoon once called carly's "next album" "pressed ham" and i always thought it was hilarious. as much as i used to like carly (and still do to a point) how can she and joni be mentioned in the same breath? i'll never forget sheepishly liking carly in the 70's and a sweet girl in the dorms was shocked that i could even listen to her after she stole james from joni!?!? ha ha that aside lets just compare "your so vain" to "electricity" or "no secrets" to say "cold blue steel and sweet fire" or "anticipation" to "this flight tonight" it's like comparing nursery rhymes to byron much as i like those carly songs gimmie a break also as much as i liked "no secrets" and especially "hotcakes" i couldnt find one good song on "playing possom", so i quit there ("coming around again" notwithstanding) and on an entirely different note i'm a big woody fan also. (in fact, for me, his career parallels ms. jonis) and while my faves are "husbands and wives" "love and death" "crimes and misdemeanors" and "annie hall" i'm always AMAZED on how much i like all of his later movies (especially the second viewing) i would place "decontructing harry" and "sweet and lowdown" right up there ditto for "jade scorpion" or "hollywood ending" all very dense, very funny, and beautifully directed how touching is that deaf girl in "lowdown?" how OUTRAGIOUSLY FUNNY is "deconstructing?" (my friends and i could not stop laughing) ooo also another big fave--- "another woman" how great is gena rowlands? IN ANY MOVIE SHE"S EVER BEEN IN? and her brilliant husband? and mia in "rosemary's baby? rambling rambling sorry isn't it funny how "stas" is turning in to my most favorite joni album? it's just so damn perfect xxx valty ps. i could see joni and woody never crossing paths he's had nothing but contempt for "rock culture" from the beginning The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:57:22 EST From: SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Subject: Just in with Travelogue Just in the house with Travelogue. Had the local music store hold one for me and I tore into it as soon as I got into the Truck. I just sat amazed at the art work included. Only heard the first 5 cuts on CD 1 and am already in a trance and wanting to hear the rest of it tonight. And it is said that Joni Mitchell fans won't get into to this CD? This smells like grammy to me and since I have absorbed BSN and come to love that for what it was, at that point in her career, I know what this is going to do to me only after a play or two. She is showing the music world that she isn't just a recording artist, but a full fledged Renaissance Woman, paintings and all ! She has done it again. And you all know what it's like to have a new Joni Mitchell in your hands and can't wait to hear it? Well, it happened again, and once again, I feel like there is someone out there ( thanks Joni ) who knows how to take you someplace way inside yourself. Joe ( in Rhode Island ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:44:23 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Getting the word out Yes...very proud too....I'm just blown away by it all!! I was talking to a former lister on the phone just a bit ago and she said she was going to call her local radio station that plays Joni sometimes and ask ..plead for them to play something from Travelogue. She went on to say that we owe Joni this....the entire list that is...and I agree. I told her I would pass it on. Soooooooo..if you are so inclined..it only takes a few minutes of your time. Bree..emotions running the gamut right now... >Congratulations, Joan. This is a homerun smash of a >beautiful package. Full stop. Well done. I'm very >proud to be a 25-year fan today. > >A bit misty, >Lama >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:51:12 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell Not Quitting now this is more like it! i think joni has been reading our posts ;-) heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Victor Johnson Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 1:01 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni Mitchell Not Quitting From the Toronto Star http://thestar.com Nov. 19, 2002. 01:00 AM Joni Mitchell `not sour,' will keep making music Singer `not bitter' after threatening to quit recording Legend receives Canadian honour at AGO ceremony MURRAY WHYTE ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER Joni Mitchell pauses for a moment, considers the question, and then delivers some welcome news: No, she's not quitting the music business. At least, not yet. "I'm not raffled, I'm not sour and I'm not bitter," she said last night with a laugh, taking a brief pause from the crush of admirers vying for her attention at the Art Gallery of Ontario. "All the bosses in that industry have been so nice since I knocked it, everything's been smoothed over. So let's get on with it." Mitchell, in town to receive the Wm. Harold Moon Award from the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada for her contributions to bringing international attention to Canadian music, will likely have given welcome relief to the legions of fans she's built up over three-plus decades as a singer-songwriter. Recently, Mitchell, disgusted at the music industry's insatiable hunger for Britneys and Shakiras, said Travelogue, her new double CD that will be released today, would be her last. "What would I do? Get hair extensions and a choreographer?" she said in the December issue of W magazine. "It's not my world." But even if she's changed her mind, she certainly hasn't changed her position. "I don't want songs to be disposable," she said last night. "Instead of being swayed to demographic and marketing procedures, it has to mean something. Music is too calculated now. It's good for aerobics, but it isn't moving." Mitchell, wearing a black Issey Miyake dress bought on the weekend at Hold Renfrew ("It's her favourite," said Mitchell's daughter, Toronto-based Kilauren Gibb; "they just don't seem to have it in L.A.," where Mitchell lives), graciously received fellow attendees seeking photos with her, and autographs. Also receiving awards last night were Nelly Furtado, rock group Nickelback and hip-hop artist Kardinal Offishal. Smoking contentedly in the AGO's Agora restaurant, Mitchell lamented the turn the business has taken  and how far that turn has taken it away from art that matters. "We need a counter-force. We can't all be bitches and ho's," she said, referring to the hip-hop boom that has consumed commercial radio. "The artist's job is to sit on the sidelines. We're supposed to be outcasts. An artist is not a politician. We have to be non-partisan, skeptical." A sampling of Mitchell's philosophy can be found on Travelogue, an album that assembles many of Mitchell's best-known songs but in a radically reworked form, using a 70-piece orchestra, a choir, and a corps of accomplished jazz players. It can be seen as a look back, but it's also a look forward for new challenges, which Mitchell is committed to pursuing. "I meet young artists all the time, and I tell them they have to do what they feel," she said. "Synthesize what you really like. Don't cop out." To be clear, Mitchell's relenting from her absolute position is not that. She's made her statement, and is ready to move on. "I threatened to quit because I was pissed off, and with good reason," she said. "I don't think I can quit, but in order to write again, there's going to have to be a real shift in me. Where that will come from, I don't know." - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:03:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Travelogue review in Boston Globe - OUCH, long Well, yeah. Mister Matthew Gilbert of the Boston Globe did a fine review. He spoke with knowledge and affection for Joni's music and lyrics. I think he understood her intent perfectly. He made his points respectfully. Me? I was raised up on the dance bands of the 40s, the bossa nova movement in Jazz, then the flowering that we now call Rock, that grew out of Bo Diddley and Chuck Berry. Later I discovered the drama of Aaron Copeland AND Stewart Copeland. I loved Progressive Rock which was a bombastic mix of synthesizers, strings, showy solos, melodramatic singing, apocalyptic stories, and drumming informed by Jazz. "TRAVELOGUE" smells like home to me. Thanks to Simon and some others, I've been listening to audience tapes of Vince Mendoza's rebirth of "Judgment of the Moon And Stars (Ludwig's Tune)" from the Both Sides Now tour in 2000. It makes perfect sense to me but I can't disagree with Matthew Gilbert assessment either. His is a valid perspective. It reminds me of my perception of "Dog Eat Dog" and "Turbulent Indigo" for their first two years in my life. I've played "Dog Eat Dog" through twice this afternoon and I feel very differently about it today. It's too bad he dismissed the sumptuous artwork of carefully ordered images and the exquisitely chosen text. They hold keys to appreciating "TRAVELOGUE" because they include current references that give the listener permission to hear "TRAVELOGUE" as a work that grapples with the September 11th attacks on the USA, and the futility of attempting to "win" in a spiritual battle. Joan didn't re-visit "The Three Great Stimulants" in "TRAVELOGUE" but it would fit right in. Joni wrote: > Fiction of obedience Fiction of rebellion Fiction of the goody-goody and the hellion Fiction of destroyers Fictpeace makerservers Fiction of peacemakers and shit disturbers Fiction of the moralist Fiction of the nihilist Fiction of the innovator and the stylist Fiction of the killjoy Fiction of the charmer Fiction of the clay feet and the shining armour Fiction of the declaimers Fiction of the rebukers Fiction of the pro and the no nukers Fiction of the gizmo Fiction of the data Fiction of the this is this and that is that ahh! > My opinion? The master lives on and has a great team. "TRAVELOGUE" has already given me new insight into why she hasn't written lately. After one has reduced all of the arguments to fiction, then goes one step beyond that, and even reject nihilism, what more is there to say? Lama http://www.boston.com/ dailyglobe2/323/living/ Joni_Mitchell_s_latest_reinvention_reaches_too_far +.shtml Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:48:13 EST From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Travelogue. Get It. Wow I love this CD! Slouching Towards Bethlehem gave me chills and The Dawntreader simply blew me away. For all those still holding out and not sure whether this album is worth their time or not, then I must simply say," Get thee to a record store!" And the packaging is simply divine and I haven'y even gotten to the CD-Rom with the paintings either. Love, Damien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:54:43 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni PBS American Masters Since I have been off the list for awhile, I don't know if this has been discussed, but I found this listing on the pbs website http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_homepage.html Is this the same as what they're showing on Bravo Canada, or something else entirely? BTW the accompanying photo is the one from the cover of Blue, but it is a black and white photo-I don't recall seeing that before. American Masters Joni Mitchell Airing May, 2003 The daughter of a grocery store manager and teacher in Canada, Joni Mitchell became a painter, poet and musician, influenced by Edith Piaf, Miles Davis and Bob Dylan. Uncompromising and iconoclastic Mitchell has confounded expectations at every turn -- wildly innovative, her music explored and transcended very personal and original acoustic guitar composition and evolved into pop, jazz and avant-garde, prophetic of the multi-cultural experimentation of the '80s and '90s. Fiercely independent, she has resisted the whims of mainstream audiences and the male-dominated recording industry. Mitchell's records may never have sold as widely as some of her contemporaries, but no one experimented so bravely, pushing the boundaries of musical convention. Watch this space in May 2003 for upcoming features, including essays, film clips, filmmaker interview, and an interactive timeline. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:59:54 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue Ashara wrote: > Stephen (from Vancouver/Topsfield) and I just went out to get two official > copies of Travelogue, and immediately threw the enhanced CD into the > computer. This is SOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D > What > fun to have her paintings shown in a gallery-like formula! This CD set is > worth EVERY penny IMHO. > > Oh the enhanced CD is GREAT. The first thing when I got home was to put disk 1 in the computer. "Refuge of the Roads" comes on and you get to see more wonderful Joni painitings, all of the lyrics, credits, contacts (and yes they have a link to JoniMitchell.com- alright Jim Johanson!!!!). I'm hoping that someone ah hum (KAKKI), can identify one of the portraits on the cd. I'm pretty sure the girl is Kilauren, but who is the man with her? Donald Freed? I know it's not the guy she was with in Toronto. Okay, now on to the big stereo system to listen to it ALL!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:27:16 -0500 (EST) From: dgcarl@interactive.rogers.com (Doug Carlson) Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #501 Greetings From Toronto! As you probably may or may not know, Joni was in Toronto yesterday being presented with a special honour at the 2002 slocan awards. It is an award presented by the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada. The ceremony was held at the Art Gallery of Ontario, where Joni received the William Harold Moon Award for her contribution in bringing international recognition to Canada through her music. Joni is quoted as saying: "all the bosses in that industry have been so nice since I knocked it, everything's been smoothed over. So let's get on with it." Cheers! Doug Carlson P. S. Would love e mails from anyone out there! http://interactive.rogers.com/dgcarl/DOUGSFAVORITETHINGS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:32:50 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Updating Joni's lyrics For the benefit of those who have been lurking this year, here are a few clever "updates" to Joni's lyrics that I've noted this year........... 1. Bryan Thomas - ------------------------------------- Venue: 2000's JoniFest in New Orleans (also known as "PazFest") Okay, admittedly this one's not new but this recording has, ahem, recently come to light. (Michael of New Orleans will be happy to hook you up with the 2-CD set for a $30 donation to the non-profit to benefit burn victims via the Ruth Paz Foundation. There's a prominent link on www.jmdl.com ) The song is "Black Crow". Joni wrote: > There's a crow flying Black and ragged Tree to tree He's black as the highway that's leading me Now he's diving down To pick up on something shiny I feel like that black crow Flying In a blue sky I took a ferry to the highway Then I drove to a pontoon plane I took a plane to a taxi And a taxi to a train. > *********** Bryan sang: > I took a ferry to the highway Then I drove to a pontoon plane I took a plane to a taxi "Big Yellow Taxi", "Just Like This Train". > Those, my friends, are brilliant substitutions. It always gets a laugh too. 2. Jack Neilson - ------------------------------------- Venue: JoniFest 2002NE (in the North-Eastern USA); Sunday night, disc 8 In Joni's song about a street musician, "For Free", Joni wrote: > Nobody stopped to hear him Though he played so sweet and high They knew he had never Been on their T.V. So they passed his music by > *********** Jack sang: > Nobody stopped to hear him Though he played so sweet and high They knew he had never Been on their DVD So they passed his music by > So simple. So smart. Jack's new one will be available for purchase shortly. 3. Gregg Cagno - ------------------------------------- Venue: JoniFest 2002NE (in the North-Eastern USA); Friday night, disc 1 On the "COURT AND SPARK" collection, Joni was a lady in party mode when she sang: > I want to be strong I want to laugh along I want to belong to the living Alive, alive, I want to get up and jive I want to wreck my stockings in some juke box dive > It's a fun song but how can a straight man make it his own? With humor of course. Here's where Gregg took it: *********** Gregg sang: > I want to be strong I want to laugh along I want to belong to the living Alive, alive, I want to get up and jive I want to wreck my Jockeys in some juke box dive > "Jockey" short are a brand name of man's underwear. Channeling for Julie Z. Webb, I'll ask: "What were your favorite 'updates' to Joni songs this year?" Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:40:19 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Ouchy reviews > > Today, Joni Mitchell is releasing a new CD that many of > her fans - definitely this one - will not want to play. Perhaps history will repeat itself -- dissed upon release but later (and almost universally) hailed as brilliant. We'll have to see how remaining reviews go, but my hunch is that most will be negative. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:47:31 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Travelogue's "Sire of Sorrow" As I did with BSN, I think the best way to listen to Travelogue is with a nice glass of wine and sitting in a nice hot tub or Jacuzzi. I've finished with disk 1 and I absolutely love it..........I'm *waterlogued* :~), but it's great. Joni has done it again. Sure there's no lyrics we can pick apart, but the orchestration and Joni's voice sounds great. I did have to listen to "Sire of Sorrow" a couple of times more. When I heard the antagonists, it threw me back a little. This was VERY different from Joni being in the chorus. An all male chorus chanting back to her. I listened to this song two more times, then I listened to the original from TI. It's very different, but it's great. It's such a contrast hearing these deep voices in the chorus. Some people might not like the way Joni does this song, but I think she was *right on*. On to disk two while I dry off :~) Jimmy (loving Travelogue and Joni) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:39:15 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Painting - Osama and Nude Blond Girlo Kakki wrote: > I've held off mentioning this one (because I didn't know if it would be > publically shown) but she talked about this painting when I saw her last > year right after 9/11. She was laughing about it. What it means? Um, I > think kinda like something along the lines of that if the radical > Islamacists had a more, uh, open society, ahem, and were not so repressed, > maybe they wouldn't be so, uh, you know. The way she described it was > something like "this girl lifting her blouse and showing him her tits." > LOL > > To me, sort of parallels these lines from The Magdalene Laundries These bloodless brides of Jesus If they had just once glimpsed their groom Then they'd know and they'd drop the stones Concealed behind their rosaries Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:46:47 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Bravo Special So far (the first 45 minutes) this special is a repeat of PWWAM. Don't know what the second half will be. I'll let you know Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:49:02 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Joni's calling it quits...Joni going indie..Joni NOT quitting On 19 Nov 2002 at 10:07, Lori Fye wrote: > > She wants the big boys to kiss her ass and treat her like a legend. > > As well they should, because she IS a legend. > You won't get any argument out of me! Brenda n.p.: Dixie Chicks - "A Home" (A very pristine recording...anyone else noticing the warmth in a lot of the records being released these days?) - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:03:48 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: travelogue artwork i knew there would be a thread with this title tonight and i see there is. i'm cheating and writing this post before reading the thread. i have some questions and suspicions about identities of people in the pix, but i'll read what's been written first. i'd listened to amelia on the web, been kind of disturbed. then listened to 'dawntreader' and had been truly touched by the honoring, delicate arrangement. decided i could wait til release day. bought it after work but wasn't able to listen to it immediately. what i did get to do is look at the packaging over a drink. i got teary-eyed. i think the pictures and the paintings and the selected lyrics make an amazing, brave narrative, just as much a travelogue through joni's thoughts and feelings right now as the album. i sure wish she had talked about that in the interview. i was surprised there's some very brave stuff here. i think in the first world trade series she's saying that bush and bin laden are both evil, especially with the lyrics from 'slouching' right next to them. but the very next page she shows one of the true images of hope from 9/11, with not a bit of irony. and if you are really seeing the pictures as a narrative, right there she really pours on the hope. she may be bitchy some times, but this is not a bitter woman. the images of the children are heartbreakingly beautiful, and it is so sweet, the last picture, with joni's youthful-looking foot definitely NOT trying to drag her foot to slow the circles down. patrick np - love (i corinthians 13) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:26:51 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Not Quitting Victor, Thanks for finding this - it's so great. > "I'm not raffled, I'm not sour and I'm not bitter," she said last night > with a laugh, taking a brief pause from the crush of admirers vying for her > attention at the Art Gallery of Ontario. "All the bosses in that industry > have been so nice since I knocked it, everything's been smoothed over. So > let's get on with it." I just loved reading this, along with Brenda's and Lori's comments ;-) Sounds like she is in a good place right now. This cracked me up: > Mitchell, wearing a black Issey Miyake dress bought on the weekend at Hold > Renfrew ("It's her favourite," said Mitchell's daughter, Toronto-based > Kilauren Gibb; "they just don't seem to have it in L.A.," where Mitchell > lives), graciously received fellow attendees seeking photos with her, and > autographs. And this says it all: >"I don't think I can quit, but in order to write again, there's going > to have to be a real shift in me. Where that will come from, I don't know." Oh happy days! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:09:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: 2 Joni disappointments today 1. Travelogue was NOT released here in Canada today. They've pushed it back to November 26. How typical and how pain-in-the-ass-y can you get. 2. The "Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now and Then" show on Bravo is just "Painting with words and music." Hell, damn and shit. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:09:05 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Bravo Special Well, it wasn't what it was billed as. As a matter of fact, the Bravo site now has PWWAM listed instead of the original listing of Both Sides Now And Then. Strange. I guess we continue to wait. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:37:50 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: James Taylor and Jackson Browne Interviews - SJC - Long JT and JB interviews were played on WFUV last night and tonight. I caught only the tail end of JT's last night, and did not hear JB's at all (but I heard a snippet of him discussing his disillusionment with the industry, and his reluctance to continue recording on a major label). Wonder if anyone did hear them, and could report further on them to us ? One comment of interest from JT was to the effect of "I guess there may be some truth to the idea that I have written the same 12 songs 150 times - but, that's pretty much true of all of us". Oh really ? Perhaps it would be better for JT to have said ''that's true of pretty much all of us". (Maybe he did :~), but that's not what I thought I heard - gimme an instant replay, please !) Of her 200 or so songs, I would venture to say that there are well over 100 complete originals that have no redundancies or parallels in JM's work. Certainly, in some cases the musical structure is similar - especially in her earlier work. And in a lyrical context, there is a revisiting of themes (although usually with a fresh take). And on nearly all of her post-70's CD's there is a consistent texture to her music within a given CD - (this was less true of her earlier works) - though the texture changed significantly from CD to CD - think WTRF, then DED, then CMIAR, then NRH, then TI, then TTT. And, sure, Circle Game and Little Green are almost the same song, musically. But really, how many songs were re-hashings of earlier work? Not many. She was as fresh as the Beatles (I was a huge Beatles fan before Joni garnered my obsession) - for that, I admire them both. On the strength of the originality of the cuts alone, I feel that CMIAR deserves more respect than it receives here. I would be interested in hearing others' views of which songs from that album could be viewed as re-hashes of earlier work. I can understand them not being one's cup of tea - some prefer the romance and general brightness of WTRF (not Love, or Chinese Cafe - which I think are great) to the less personal, 'heavier' art of CMIAR. But I would caution against dismissing CMIAR as inferior art. Especially if Joni thinks otherwise (I bet she does). Yes, we all have our opinions and are entitled to them. They just don't count for much, compared to Joni's. I am a 6 handicapper at golf, and dabble at the guitar at about the same level - maybe a bit worse. In short, I pretty much s**k at both, and I mean it. For example, if I had been allowed to play in this year's US Open, I would have lost to Tiger by 80-90 strokes (if I played well). Anyone interested in my opinion of Tiger's performance in this year's majors ? Or Phil's performance in finishing second at the US Open? I'm not :-) I've learned my lesson. Joni's the real deal. If she thinks it's good art, and I don't, it's time for me to listen harder. Every time. I suspect the same should hold true for most music critics. Bob S NP - BSN - a fine recording (Waiting for T and my other birthday CD's to arrive from Amazon.com, compliments of my children, who won't listen to me or Joni ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:42:33 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Travelogue comes to Can. on the 26th I had read about a week ago that the release date had been pushed back to the 26th in Canada but was hoping that it was incorrect information, like the Bravo! website that wrongly said "Both Sides Now And Then" was on tonight at 9:00. Crap. - -Andrew Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:48:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: T'log --- blonde in the bleachers wrote: > WOW! Awesome and beautiful, not to sound like a > broken record but I am > floored, exceeds all of my expectations, and have > chills running up and > down my spine. I live in Boston and wrote Matthew > Gilbert a little note, > did he really listen to this? I don't think > so.....because Sire of Sorrow > has, imho, never sounded better. I think you have to listen to them at least three or four times each before they start to grow on you. Therein lies the problem with music reviews and reviewers, I guess. They're probably listening, in a hurry, to get a review done - in a hurry. Not conducive to enjoying the music - more like a fast food fix on the run than a nice leisurely sit-down dinner with wine and the whole bit. If I had posted my initial reactions after listening to the pieces on the nonesuch site and those posted by or pointed to by Moni, (because initially I did sit down and type out my comments as I listened, but decided against posting this to the list for a number of reasons), it wouldn't have been all favourable. But I downloaded them and burned them onto a CD and listened to it over and over again and they did indeed grow on me. Now if only the Canadian distributors would get their act together and release the friggin thing at the same time as they did in the U.S., I wouldn't feel like the kid that wasn't invited to the birthday party. I may have to shuffle off to Buffalo if I get impatient enough (like, I guess I could order it online and have it shipped to me super-fast and it wouldn't cost me any more, but never mind about that.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:01:34 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: the Canadian mentality welcome andrew! many of us unitedstatesians know and love the canadian mentality, complete with the inferiority complex. one of my best friends in the world, living down here in nyc for 16 yrs, is a canadian (halifax, ns) (though his inferiority complex is nonexistent). and just a warning: we have many canadians on the list and the US even kidnapped one! just ask magsnbrei! one of the best folks i've ever met on this list is roberto holliston, who lives out in victoria. he once referred to "the famous canadian soprano theresa stratas" and i had to tease the shit out of him. (stratas is huge, thank you, even in the mean old states) however, i'm starting to think that this vaunted canadian insecurity is more a treasured source of humour than a real character trait. every canadian i know mentions it, and then works it. my favourite author ever (of any nationality) is canadian robertson davies, who never felt inferior to anyone on the planet. he used to tweak canadian insecurity mercilessly, hilariously, but he celebrated canadian culture. anyway, i'm appreciating your new energy on this list so much i voluntarily misspelled humour for you... loved this particular bit'o'writin': >We're the >nation that looks in the mirror and asks other nations, "Do we >look fat in this?" > sweet. patrick np - hejira ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:21:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue's "Sire of Sorrow" Jacuzzi Jimmy sez: > I'm *waterlogued* :~), but it's > great. Joni has done it again. > LOL Jimmy, you total goofball! It's why we love you so. Even though I've been enjoying the tunes now for a bit, I got the whole enchilada today, thanks to a Curcuit City gift card that I won as a door prize on Joni's birthday...synchronicity! Anyway, I know that I've taken some potshots about her packaging in the past and her paintings too. This time around the package is really great. Tasteful & impressive. I'm not nutty about all of these paintings, but the pictures in the book and the "virtual gallery" are among her best work, given my limited knowledge of the subject. I can see why she's saying she hasn't felt moved to write - so many of the songs she's re-cast seem to coincide with the art, and make up what seems to also be on her mind these days. Does anybody else think the painting where her hands are holding the golden eggs is a symbol of T'log and her "presenting" it to us? Who is the asian gentleman in the one painting? And man, that painting of Kilauren and ? is so good it looks like a photograph! As for the painting of the patter and Bin Laden, well, I don't know art but I know what I like! :~) All in all, this is quite a well-thought out & executed package, and we're lucky to have it. Bob NP: Otis & Marlena (one of my faves) PS: JJ warned on jm.com that the Bravo presentation was a bogus announcement and was most likely PWWAM... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:28:26 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Travelogue doesnt scream at us like the rest of us! Got my copy just in time for an early Christmas - once again Joni throws a whole new set of questions and how the hell do I get them answered? Believe any of you are an insider in her court? Naah I'm not springy. What do I think? First and foremost I am enjoying growing old with Joni even if there is a million miles (might as well be) between us, her music suits my mood, my space in life. More after I have listened a couple ten times or so Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:02:00 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Canada: work it baby! Hi Patrick (and all) I know what you mean about Canadians "working" the inferioity complex and making it funny. Joni does it quite well in some of her songs. I guess it's more a case of self-deprecation than inferiority - we get it from the Brits. We're the first to make fun of ourselves, probably because we know that if we don't do it first someone else surely will! I mean come on - our national symbol is a maple leaf, our national animal is a beaver and we still salute the Queen. Yes, Liz is, officially, the Queen of Canada! Although Joni would do a much better job, smoking on the thrown and strumming a few licks before cutting some sort of ribbon in the capital. But I love this country so much. Canada can be a very mystical place - the beauty of the landscape, the complexity and simplicity of the people, the fresh air, the sea. Joni's songs take on a whole new energy when you listen to it in the Canadian countryside. Everyone is making me feel so welcome I don't even have time to write back to everyone who has written to me personally to say hello. Forgive me - I do appreciate the wonderful greetings that have filled my inbox today. I'm really glad I joined! You're all so nice! Hi to Catherine in Toronto and others in Canada. And to the onlooking Unitedstatesians, may I just say "Bonjour, eh?" and thanks for understanding. You're an enlightened bunch. I met one American who thought we didn't have black people in our country and another who didn't know where Canada was on a map... I feel my national inferiority flaring up again... bed time. - -Andrew Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:06:58 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Travelogue, Muslims Finally slipped them in the machines back at the hotel after buying the first copy at BOTH Sunset Tower and Sunset Virgin last night at midnight. Virtual gallery is spectacular, but even more surprising are the links under CONTACTS and E-MAIL with automatic browser launching to find jonimitchell.com a mail list. How cool is THAT? Even more subtly pointed than her inclusion of "Otis and Marlena" along with the political paintings here on "Travelogue" is the recent road map Joni's Walden Woods 2 performance of "Sweetheart Like You" drew toward Dylan's 1983 album "Infidels." Written in the fits of the Reagan era, songs like "Neighborhood Bully", "Man of Peace", and especially 'License To Kill" couldn't be more valid than right now. As for the gallery...I DIG. And Joni...by the way, that's a cute hat. CC "You said , 'I can be cruel, but let me be gentle with you'." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #349 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)