From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #347 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, November 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 347 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: November 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] swan song ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Thongs to a Seagul [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Swan song [FredNow@aol.com] t'log for uk listers at cd-wow [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: Joni solo [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #498 [Kardinel@aol.com] T'log review [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: the cookbook, STILL! ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Joni's not the only one ["Jerry Notaro" ] Today's Mondegreen ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Joni solo ["Maggie McNally" ] NY Daily News review:full text [Deb Messling ] Re: NY Daily News review:full text [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: VLJC Joni & Woody [Franklin Shea ] Jonifest 2003 Correction [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Jonifest 2003 Correction ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni TV documentary ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Joni TV documentary [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni TV documentary [Randy Remote ] Today's Mondegreen ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Today's Mondegreen [KJHSF@aol.com] Joni scores another accolade [Little Bird ] Re: Joni scores another accolade [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch [nyroman ] Re: Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Me [KJHSF@aol.com] [none] ["William Chavez" ] joni on bravo [cul heath ] Re: Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch ["kakki" ] "TRAVELOGUE" artwork ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Me (now Me, too!) [Julius Raymond ] RE: Joni TV documentary ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Volunteers Needed !! ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: Joni scores another accolade, short ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: swan song john i. >She was never a commercial success because she was never about commerce.< oh, she was definately a commercial success in her early years... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:50:29 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Thongs to a Seagul Gordon Mackie Been reading the deluge of posts and trying to synthesise some >thoughts but getting nowhere fast. As ever, Fred's got me thinking. >Where would we be without him. Glad to be of service. >Anyhoo, this notion about critics and >personal taste has made me reflect upon the idea 'Has Joni realised >her intent in putting together 'Travelogue' I haven't heard 'Travelogue' yet, but I've always felt that Joni's realization-to-intent ratio has been extremely high. >I laughed about one of the other posts about the tight knickered >Brits. Would that include the maestro himself Signor Mendoza? No, he is from the USA. >Serious thought time.....( not gigling but looking quizzical) ..again >its Fred that's go tme thinking....is it possible to express ideas >which are objective? Attaining true human objectivity is probably akin to attaining the speed of light ... one can continually approach it yet never totally get there. But I think there are some ideas, concepts, judgments, etc., that can come very close to objectivity. In artistic terms, it is a nearly objective, nearly universal, assessment that Joni (or Miles Davis, Beethoven, Shakespeare, what have you) is a great artist. This has nothing to do with taste ... there are many people for whom she is not their cup of tea. Indeed, popularity, in and of itself, is a dangerous test of objective artistic worth; millions of folks think The Beatles were great artists, and in a nearly objective sense this is likely true, but millions also think that Kenny G is a great artist, and in a nearly objective sense this is likely false. In other words, there are criteria that can be used to measure the excellence of craft, skill, inspiration, and invention in artistic endeavors, criteria which can be taught and learned, either formally or informally. There are reasons why the songs of Richard Rodgers are exceptional, reasons which are revealed in the very nuts-and-bolts of his work, and reasons why the songs of Andrew Lloyd Weber fail to meet these standards despite his massive popularity. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:00:36 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Swan song johnirving writes: >While the rest of us here see >"Orchestral" in the context of padding, cheese, and insubstantial >flourish Hey, speak for yourself! (insert emoticon here) >Joni heard the Orchestra as a deeper palette of color tones to >aurally paint with. And hired the great Vince Mendoza to do the aural painting ... an astute choice. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:40:36 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: t'log for uk listers at cd-wow go to http://www4.cd-wow.com/ http://www4.cd-wow.com/detail_results.php?product_code=4067 for t'log at 12.99 i've ordered from these guys before and it takes 3 days to arrive from hong kong. might be worth if for the cost saving as this price includes delivery. check it out. les (london) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:41:11 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni solo dsk wrote: > > Joni's comments were unusually harsh and got so much attention it makes > me wonder if they and the whole swan song idea are part of the publicity > for the upcoming release... just an idea. > > Debra Shea Oh, Debra. You New Yorkers are so jaded. That could NEVER be it. Jerry, not a big fan of Madonna's, but just a bit disappointed at Joni's nastiness........ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:09:15 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #498 I think we are so used to spin that we are not used to someone telling it like it is. Madonna's videos-I especially disliked her Austin Powers video- are gross esp. for someone her age. No dignity at all. I guess Joni feels she might as well speak her mind. As far as David Letterman goes, I have a relative who owns some hotels and he told me David L. stays sometimes in one of his places. He described him as a "very unfunny man." Dour and quiet. So it's interesting to read some of the comments. All this aside, I am looking forward to the cd tomorrow morning. Have one held for me at the music store. I need something to look forward to esp. with the state of the world and the cold ice and snow up here in NE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:13:27 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: T'log review In yesterday's NY Daily News, Jim Farber, their pop/rock music critic, called Travelogue 'supernatural theater' in a very positive review. bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:24:01 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: the cookbook, STILL! <> sure! just send me (privately! you wouldn't want muller sending you all those darned covers CDs) your mailing address, and i'll get one out to you..... (shhh..... i'm using the company's paper, binding materials, etc., so this is a freebie for all of us.) cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:33:25 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Joni's not the only one SHE'S NO GOOD, SHE'S NO GOOD, SHE'S NO GOOD: We're guessing that videos are among the things Linda Ronstadt has shunned since distancing herself from pop culture after her 1970s Top 40-belting heyday. Ronstadt, who has a preteen son and daughter, says she recently had to buy an Eminem CD to see if it was appropriate for an 11-year-old. "It's not," she tells New York's Daily News. She says she would have hated that answer when she was 11. But she doesn't care. "As a parent, I'm a Victorian." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:43:02 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Today's Mondegreen ... is brought to you by the merchants who roll their awnings down. : ) "Morning Morgantown" is SUCH a great Sunday morning song, and I was playing it yesterday as I cooked breakfast (Sugardale bacon, white rice, and fried eggs). From the kitchen, I overheard Mary singing along, and I had to grin when I heard this: "Wrap your dreams in eiderdown" Of course I gently corrected Mary, telling her it's "Buy your dreams a dollar down," which led to me pulling out the lyrics to prove it. Mary now says that HER interpretation is a better lyric! And you know, I think I agree! Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:51:26 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Joni solo Wading through the many posts that have accumulated since I left work on Friday...this may have played itself out, but on Saturday I read something that I thought worth sharing as it relates to the "should Joni do a simple solo project rather than get out of the business" thread. From Wall Street Journal, Friday November 15. "Fed up with expending hard work on records that few people bought or heard, and the radio didn't play, Mr. Cash had considered dispensing with his recording career altogether...Along comes Rick Rubin. Mr. Rubin, known for his production of cutting-edge rock acts like the Beastie Boys and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, liberated the artist from the shackles of record-label expectations. His purish vision, boiling Mr. Cash down to just guitar, voice and an endless stack of songs, brought the singer closer to the true nature of his artistry than any fancy studio in Music City could. This artistic freedom allowed Mr. Cash to explore , to try new songs, by young writers...to reinterpret old classics and delve into his own back catalog...'Rick told me,' relates Mr. Cash, 'I would like to just sit you down in front of a microphone and let you sing to your heart's content every song you ever wanted to record.'" I was struck by the similarities to the aforementioned thread. I would add, however, that it is OUR wish (for many of us) that she take this approach, not hers. She has chosen a route that is hers (not record-label dictated). If anything, I would think that her company would welcome the much-cheaper route that Johnny Cash has taken. But certainly it is a similar lament in that he didn't feel supported by the record company or the radio execs. Maggie NP: Beatles, "Good Day Sunshine" > -----Original Message----- > From: Patti Witten [mailto:patti@pattiwitten.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 7:35 AM > To: onlyJONI List > Subject: Re: Joni solo > > > Joni and the biz, solo or no? I believe her complaints about > the biz in > general are valid and always have been, but she's not going to win any > friends in high places this way. > > I think that one way she could make a comeback a la Raitt, Santana or > Clapton, would be to collaborate with current musicians (like > Santana and > Clapton have with Rob Thomas and Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds) either as a > natural extension of staying in touch with the musical > community or as a > more calculated decision. But it's my perception that she > never takes an > equal or backseat role in collaboration, preferring to > "drive." And why not, > good on her. Which brings us back to the gender roles issue, > perhaps -- the > bossy, bitchy female artist in American culture is not > exactly beloved. And > she would have to play big stadium tour dates to promote the resulting > comeback record. She does not seem to want to do either, or > perhaps no one > much wants to work with her, and/or her health prevents her > from going on > the road. > > A solo project, stripped down record would be so good... but > I guess her > current feel for composition doesn't go in this direction. She's an > orchestral composer, "orchestra" meaning large ensemble. Or > so it seems. > > Just some random thoughts. Of course I would love to see her > be happier and > more comfortable in the music biz, however she accomplished it. > > > NP: Patti Witten, "Walk A Mile > Bob, the new CD is ready and available at CD Baby and I-Town > Records. We had > a fantastic CD release gig last night. http://sycamoretryst.com > > NP: "Cipher" / Gabriel Tavares > > Patti > -- > Patti Witten, singer-songwriter > http://pattiwitten.com > Acoustic-Rock with a touch of Twang ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:56:45 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: NY Daily News review:full text Repaving paradise Joni Mitchell orchestrates her past; JONI MITCHELL "Travelogue" (Nonesuch) Who but Joni Mitchell would have the nerve to record a tribute album to herself? On the gutsy singer's latest release, she reconsiders 22 songs from her own catalogue, with the help of the 70-piece London Symphony Orchestra. Given the breadth of Mitchell's talent, she deserves the self-salute. As a lyricist, she should be enshrined in a triptych with Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen as the greatest wordsmiths of the last half century. As a musician, Mitchell long ago became inimitable, boasting a style so daunting and quirky it's nearly impossible for other artists to cover her stuff. In fact, there is already a multiartist tribute album to Mitchell, cut several years ago, which is languishing in the vaults. God knows what it sounds like. But in the meantime, we have the creator herself to give these amazing songs a second life. The impetus to do so grows out of Mitchell's last project, 2000's "Both Sides Now"  an album in which she covered American standards with the London Symphony Orchestra. She had the temerity to place two of her own compositions in that vaunted company  the title cut and "A Case of You." As it turned out, both those songs stood comfortably shoulder to shoulder with those by writers like Irving Berlin and George Gershwin. Still, covering the Mitchell classics on the new album invites some itchy comparisons. Even the liner notes to the CD warn longtime fans to warm up to these versions slowly. To say the least, Mitchell's voice has changed over the years. This lifelong heavy smoker has moved from a girlishly flighty soprano (until 1973) to a grandly fluid alto (from the mid-'70s to the late '80s), to a singer hampered by some serious technical limitations (in the '90s). While some singers gain character from damage, in Mitchell's case the years have made her tone increasingly shallow and coarse. Her range has narrowed to the point where it affects her ability to express herself. For this reason, it's easier to accept the covers of her more recent songs, like 1994's "The Sire of Sorrows" or "Borderline," where there's less degeneration from the versions we already know. It's more difficult to hear Mitchell gingerly work her way through once-soaring '70s classics like "The Last Time I Saw Richard" or "Amelia." What she's doing here sometimes seems less like singing than orating: Think Rex Harrison in "My Fair Lady." Essentially, she's narrating these songs. But the approach gives the pieces a strange and intriguing new perspective. In older songs, like "Trouble Child" or "For the Roses," Mitchell isn't singing as the scared and volatile character described in the songs, but rather as the observant author of them. And that puts a fresh focus on every burning word. If Mitchell's vocals can seem detached from the immediacy of the experience, she connects to a newly considered point of view. Placed amid the grandeur of the orchestral arrangements, Mitchell sounds as if she were looking back at her earthly experiences from the afterlife, delighting in the perceptions and errors of her past with a serene wisdom. In the end "Travelogue" seems almost like a supernatural piece of theater  unlike anything else out there, and quite apart from anything the artist has done before. From Joni Mitchell, should we expect anything less? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:27:38 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Daily News review:full text In a message dated 11/18/2002 1:56:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > it's nearly impossible for other artists to cover her stuff. I'm not sure I would have used the phrase "nearly impossible"...;~) Bob, counting down to 1,100 covers now NP: BoDeans, "Cold Winter's Day" PS: Thanks for this review, Deb! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:16:04 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: Re: VLJC Joni & Woody Franklin here> WOW! Digest #498 - what a collaboration - very little filler!! lol So many interesting topics, perceptions, personalities. Kudos to all contributors! Joseph in Manilla wrote>I too like Woody Allen films and I have two of his books: "WithoutFeathers" and "Side Effects". I think he is brilliant if films like "Crimes and Misdemeanors," "Hannah and her Sisters," "Annie Hall," and "Manhattan" are concerned. Even in his misguided homage to Bergmann film called "Shadows and Fog" has its innate charm, not only because of the use of Kurt Weill's "Seven Deadly Sins" leitmotiv but because he can coax good acting from a ensemble cast (even Madonna, though only a few minutes onscreen, is good here). Franklin> I totally agree with this entire paragraph. In spite of his questionable personal defects (odd, spontaneous, choice of words - is it redundant? Isn't that what a personal defect is - a recognized trait that is questionable? Which leads to another question: What about unrecognized personal defects? They must be reacted to in unrecognized ways... but I digress.) I think that the reliable ensemble casts Woody has built around his movies are extraordinary, similar to what John Sayles has done in many ways. I love both their use of recurring actors - the ones they rely on. Both also have a definite knack of bringing out the best from actors one might expect the least from - I personally have never been able to "get" Alan Alda (the TV "Mash" was such a shallow, boring, dare I say, nauseating "rip-off" of Altman's classic, ground-breaking anti-war film (even the making of the film was ground-breaking - they had to hide everything they were doing from the "suits" until the entire thing was finished and "in the can". That Altman! (but another topic altogether) As far as Alan Alda - I finally "got" the guy to some degree in "Crimes and Misdemeanors" - but then again "when in doubt typecast"? Sayles did the same for that guy from the idiotic TV series "The Rookies" or whatever it was called in "Matewan" (he played the bigger of the two tough Pinkerton private cops) which is IMO one of the ten or twenty greatest films of all time. Not that familiar with his clarinet playing. Apparently, obiously, at the VERY least serious, and respected hobbyiest there. Joseph>When the Soon Yi Previn case happened, I was disgusted with his person but still managed to watch his films because of the delight I associate with them. I think his most underrated film of all time is "Husbands and Wives" with great performances from everyone but most especially from Judy Davis, Sydney POllack and Juliette Lewis. Franklin> Agree on both thoughts. Joseph> Of course, I realize that people have different views of Woody Allen as a person and as an artist. But this is how I see things and pop psychology aside, this might be revealing of my personality. Franklin> It IS revealing of your personality: you have both excellent taste AND high morals..LOL Thanks for the post - really enjoyed your thoughts. BTY - I don't know why, but I do find it rather odd that Woody and Joni have never worked together in film. They MUST know each other personally on some "artistic/personal" level. Wonder if he ever approached her to act in one of his fims? For some reason, it wouldn't surprise me - nor her replying "not interested". Who knows? Ah, the inherent worthlessness of conjecture!! hahaha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:44:42 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2003 Correction Mea Culpa. This kind of thing happens every single year. I usually miss *something* when I make the Jonifest announcement, and this year, I wrote 2002 instead of 2003. I wish I could say I do it on purpose, to see if anyone is paying attention........but, alas.......the brain just isn't what it used to be. Ah, well. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003 Correction Wanna proof-reader? Lord knows I work cheap. Lama BTW, I found an unscrupulous CD store that will sell me the "TRAVELOGUE" set TODAY! I'm outta here!! They also have poly sleeves roomy enough for the old-fashioned gatefold LPs like HOSL. And DJRD. And C&S. And FTR. And..... Those days are loooong gone, friends. - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Mea Culpa. This kind of thing happens every single > year. I usually miss > *something* when I make the Jonifest announcement, > and this year, I wrote > 2002 instead of 2003. I wish I could say I do it on > purpose, to see if anyone > is paying attention........but, alas.......the brain > just isn't what it used > to be. Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:53:13 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni TV documentary Here it is folks! Just in time to celebrate Travelogue! Airing Teusday, November 19th, 2002 from 9pmET (6PM PT) See this two-hour documentary at http://www.bravo.ca/aw_music/ Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now And Then In this exclusive documentary, the renowned Canadian singer-songwriter tells her story; in-depth interviews are interwoven with her words and music. The film explores the impact of lonely Prairie winters and childhood illness, an unplanned pregnancy, and a disastrous early marriage on Mitchell's evolution as a writer, vocalist and musician. Both Sides Now And Then features commentary from the prominent artists who know her personally, such as Neil Young and Bob Dylan, as well as the contemporary musicians she has influenced, like Prince, Tori Amos and Sarah McLachlan. (I'm just sick because we don't get this station in Quebec City! I will try to get someone in Montreal to tape it.) Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:11:47 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni TV documentary Does anyone know whether this can be seen by people who have satellite TV in the U.S.? Is anybody going to tape this to share with us? Please!? michael o'malley wrote: > Here it is folks! > Just in time to celebrate Travelogue! Airing Teusday, November 19th, 2002 > from 9pmET (6PM PT) > See this two-hour documentary at > > http://www.bravo.ca/aw_music/ > > Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now And Then > In this exclusive documentary, the renowned Canadian singer-songwriter tells > her story; in-depth interviews are interwoven with her words and music. The > film explores the impact of lonely Prairie winters and childhood illness, an > unplanned pregnancy, and a disastrous early marriage on Mitchell's evolution > as a writer, vocalist and musician. Both Sides Now And Then features > commentary from the prominent artists who know her personally, such as Neil > Young and Bob Dylan, as well as the contemporary musicians she has influenced, > like Prince, Tori Amos and Sarah McLachlan. > > (I'm just sick because we don't get this station in Quebec City! I will try to > get someone in Montreal to tape it.) > > Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:11:32 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni TV documentary Very cool! Note that this is Bravo Canada. The US counterpart has no listing for this program in November. Yassup with that? michael o'malley wrote: > Here it is folks! > Just in time to celebrate Travelogue! Airing Teusday, November 19th, 2002 > from 9pmET (6PM PT) > See this two-hour documentary at > > http://www.bravo.ca/aw_music/ > > Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now And Then > In this exclusive documentary, the renowned Canadian singer-songwriter tells > her story; in-depth interviews are interwoven with her words and music. The > film explores the impact of lonely Prairie winters and childhood illness, an > unplanned pregnancy, and a disastrous early marriage on Mitchell's evolution > as a writer, vocalist and musician. Both Sides Now And Then features > commentary from the prominent artists who know her personally, such as Neil > Young and Bob Dylan, as well as the contemporary musicians she has influenced, > like Prince, Tori Amos and Sarah McLachlan. > > (I'm just sick because we don't get this station in Quebec City! I will try to > get someone in Montreal to tape it.) > > Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:59:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Today's Mondegreen lori said >> ... is brought to you by the merchants who roll their awnings down. : ) "Wrap your dreams in eiderdown"<< shawn colvin sings (in poloroids): please no more therapy mother take care of me piece me together like a needle & thread wrap me in eiderdown a place for your wedding gown (something i forget) & lay me down on your bed (what great lyrics!) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:57:15 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Mondegreen In a message dated 11/18/2002 9:52:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > lori said >> > ... is brought to you by the merchants who roll their awnings > down. : ) > "Wrap your dreams in eiderdown"<< > > shawn colvin sings (in poloroids): > > please no more therapy > mother take care of me > piece me together like a needle & thread > wrap me in eiderdown > Carly Simon sings (in After the Storm) Wind's pulling the moon down, Underneath the eiderdown You're taking me to town and tossing me around..." kinda sexy, huh? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:01:37 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Joni scores another accolade Monday, November 18, 2002 Mitchell, Furtado win Socan awards By ANGELA PACIENZA Canadian Press TORONTO -- Renowned songstress Joni Mitchell and pop princess Nelly Furtado were among the honourees at the 2002 Socan awards. Presented by the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada, the awards recognize the Canadian songwriters whose work received the most domestic radio, film and TV airplay in 2001. Country star Paul Brandt was the host for Monday night's gala ceremony at the Art Gallery of Ontario. Mitchell was given the Wm. Harold Moon Award for her contribution in bringing international recognition to Canada through her music. Hailed as one of the most influential singer-songwriters of her generation, Mitchell, 59, wrote and performed songs such as Big Yellow Taxi, Help Me, The Circle Game and Both Sides Now. In the pop category singer Nelly Furtado's songs I'm Like a Bird and Turn Off the Light were honoured for achieving the greatest number of performances on domestic radio. Alt-rockers Nickelback, country singer Carolyn Dawn Johnson, hip-hop artist Kardinal Offishall and Celtic band Leahy also won awards. Myles Goodwyn, frontman of rock band April Wine, received the National Achievement Award. Formed in Halifax in 1969, April Wine had a successful career putting out 13 albums, which included the hit songs Fast Train, You Could Have Been A Lady and Just Between You and Me. James Leroy, Terry Jacks and Ken Tobias were each awarded with Socan Classics Awards for songs that reached the 100,000 airplay mark on Canadian radio in 2001. A second Socan ceremony is being held Tuesday in Montreal to recognize outstanding music creators from Quebec Yahoo! 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LOL Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1970133706 Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:27:55 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni scores another accolade > Now it's just a matter of waiting for her to publicly trash the award & > dismiss Nelly Furtado as a wanabee and then complain about her lack of > recognition! ;~) > > Bob > Well they *did* honor Terry Jacks in the same ceremony. Mark E in Seattle We had joy, we had fun, we had seasons going round and round and the painted ponies.....well, maybe not. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:38:51 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch Well I doubt it will do any good but I just emailed the seller to educate them and told them to take Joni's name off of this auction or I will report them to Ebay for fraud. Mark E in Seattle > This is just too much!!! LOL Check this out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1970133706 > > Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:14:07 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Me Hi all - I should introduce myself. My name is Andrew Ritchie and I hail from Ottawa, Canada. Just joined. I've done a bit of transcribing for Jim Johanson and JoniMitchell.com, and I'm known as his "Canadian Connection" since I always seem to be the first one from north of the border to inform him of the goings on with Joni's Canadian cognoscenti. I've been a fan of Joni's since 1991's Night Ride Home. I'm 25 years old but have collected each and every Joni Mitchell album since I was first charmed in the early part of the last decade by Joni's music. It's Joni's way with lyrical composition and speech rhythm that most attract me to her work. I think she is vastly underestimated as a vocalist, despite her vocal troubles of late. I'm the only one in my peer group who seems to fully "get" Joni's work, which is a bit sad and sometimes lonely. No one really understands what I understand about her work or sees what I see, regarding its wisdom, it's beauty and its truth. But now I'm here and have a multitude of people (in Exxon blue?) to share my thoughts and news with. Looking forward to more discussion with the release of Travelogue! Cheers everyone - Andrew Favourite album: DJRD Favourite song: Hejira Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:05:07 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Me Welcome Andrew! I'm glad you found us! This is a great group of folks and you are gonna love having people to discuss all kinds of Joni stuff! Welcome. Hejira is my favorite tune as well! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:10:00 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] What is this cookbook that everyboby keeps talking about? Will _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:13:21 -0800 From: cul heath Subject: joni on bravo To All... I will be taping the show here in Canada of course...but need to know if this show will be available in the US. If not, I'll see what I can do about making copies for whomever might want one. cul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:13:58 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch I though maybe someone stoked some baad peyote before they listed it. the horror LOL Kakki > Well I doubt it will do any good but I just emailed the seller to educate > them and told them to take Joni's name off of this auction or I will report > them to Ebay for fraud. > > Mark E in Seattle > > > This is just too much!!! LOL Check this out: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1970133706 > > > > Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:23:15 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Article says Joni's calling it quits Bitch!!! on 11/14/02 6:19 PM, Chris Marshall at chris@secure-si.co.uk wrote: > Lama asked:- >> I think Bennett's on to something. What if Joni did a >> barebones project. Just one instrument and voice. No >> production. Just one project that's just demo-like >> simplicity. Would you buy it? > > I'd be there like a shot. I'd even allow her two instruments > and a touch of *subtle* percussion. > > ...as long as she didn't use either:- > > (a) a goddam VG-8. I'd prefer a real acoustic guitar. > (b) Larry Klein > > (ducks, runs for cover) > > --Chris > > If your name's M. Paz, ignore point (a). > If your name's L. Klein, ignore point (b). Point (a) optional. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:24:01 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: Repaving paradise Deb Messling posted: << NY Daily News review: full text Repaving paradise Joni Mitchell orchestrates her past; JONI MITCHELL "Travelogue" (Nonesuch) Who but Joni Mitchell would have the nerve to record a tribute album to herself?... If Mitchell's vocals can seem detached from the immediacy of the experience, she connects to a newly considered point of view. Placed amid the grandeur of the orchestral arrangements, Mitchell sounds as if she were looking back at her earthly experiences from the afterlife, delighting in the perceptions and errors of her past with a serene wisdom. In the end "Travelogue" seems almost like a supernatural piece of theater unlike anything else out there, and quite apart from anything the artist has done before. From Joni Mitchell, should we expect anything less? >> This is BEAUTIFUL!!! I've been wondering when the all-star tribute to Joni would finally be released. Did Joni suddenly switched from Reprise to Nonsuch for Travelogue because Reprise insisted on putting Madonna on her long promised tribute album??? SOMETHING must have REALLY pissed her off to quit music forever! ;~* ET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:39:09 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "TRAVELOGUE" artwork Oh my God! The master has outdone herself this time. This is what the "hits" package should have looked like if the full gravity of her work was to be complimented. She didn't slap THIS one together. I didn't even get to the music yet. I popped open the artwork, read 2/3rds of it and had to post immediately. Oh, my God! Standing in awe, Jim "Man-of-God" PS, Yes the record store sold it to me before midnight. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:37:49 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Me (now Me, too!) Welcome to the JMDL, Andrew! Francophile describes one who is enamored of French culture, I'm wondering what term applies to those who hold Canadian music dear. That would be me. Neil Young, Barenaked Ladies, Rush and of course my beloved Siquomb (...and you know there may be more). Oh Canada... > It's Joni's way with lyrical composition and speech > rhythm that most attract me to her work. Me, too! Yet the beauty of her musical genius is so multi-layered that even as she vocalizes so succinctly, she does magic with her gestural and percussive guitar, dulcimer and piano virtuosity. At the moment I'm thinking of "Coyote" ... how inspired her speech rhythm throughout, how allegorical her lyrics. (I've always marveled at how the first three words of the song form a true "exposition," setting forth the meaning and purpose of the song so cleverly from the get go.) One barely has the sensual capacity to give attention to the simultaneous beauty that is the cadence of her guitar playing, and the sense of movement it conveys. To me, her artistic gifts are otherworldly. A woman who tunes her guitar to the sounds she hears in her mind, and in so doing transforms it into an instrument no one else has ever played before. Kinda... But I digress, and my brevity deficit disorder is showing. I was just gonna say that I subscribe to the "don't worry about what you can't control" school of thought with regard to recognition of Joni's vocal acuity. I don't characterize her voice as being underestimated when I know that *I'm* appreciating it with all *my* heart. I don't care if Rolling Stone ever prints platitudes about her, or if all of her albums don't go platinum. There is no better authority than my own ears, I figure. I'll just buy my copy of Travelogue tomorrow, my most sincere form of flattery, and let providence handle the rest. Looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on Joni's music, Andrew. Glad you're here. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:50:50 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Joni TV documentary Damn stingy Canadian bastards! I say we add Canada to President Bush'es "Axis Of Evil". Right, lads! Let have your small arms, or we'll sic the United Nations on you! And while you're at it, hand over the Joni special! Make it snappy! Making diplomacy look easy, Lama Randy Remote said, > Very cool! > Note that this is Bravo Canada. The US counterpart has no > listing for this program in November. Yassup with that? > michael o'malley wrote: > > > Here it is folks! > > Just in time to celebrate Travelogue! Airing Teusday, November > 19th, 2002 > > from 9pmET (6PM PT) > > See this two-hour documentary at > > > > http://www.bravo.ca/aw_music/ > > > > Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now And Then > > In this exclusive documentary, the renowned Canadian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:24:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Volunteers Needed !! Attention! Later on Tuesday the JMDL is going to have an urgent need and we need volunteers. Now's your opportunity to step in and give something back to the community that's given so much. On the official release date in Canada and the USA we need to hand out cutlery, napkins, and motion-sickness bags to JMDLers who will be eating their words about the "high cost" of TRAVELOGUE. Let's ease their pain if we can shall we? Very smug indeed tonight, Lama np: my beloved "For The Roses" on TRAVELOGUE, following my beloved "Ludwig's Tune" on TRAVELOGUE "You mean I get to put this on whenever I want to?...... Really?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:50:08 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Joni scores another accolade, short Hey, welcome home, Little Bird. I can just hear our Norma now. "Oh, _that_ award? The little one? From the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers? That one doesn't count!" Lama, who wonders if he should make a joke out of giving her the "Moon" Little Bird said, > TORONTO -- Renowned songstress Joni Mitchell and pop > princess Nelly Furtado were among the honourees at the > 2002 Socan awards. > > Presented by the Society of Composers, Authors and > Music Publishers of Canada, the awards recognize the > Canadian songwriters whose work received the most > domestic radio, film and TV airplay in 2001. > > Country star Paul Brandt was the host for Monday > night's gala ceremony at the Art Gallery of Ontario. > Mitchell was given the Wm. Harold Moon Award for her > contribution in bringing international recognition to > Canada through her music. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #347 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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