From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #344 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 16 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 344 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: November 15 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Cookbook ["Marian Russell " ] Re: What Nonesuch Records is trying to say.... [FredNow@aol.com] Joni Mitchell, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow, Trisha Yearwood Sing For Walden Woods [Richard Goldman ] Re: What Nonesuch Records is trying to say.... ["colin" ] Swingin' Travelogue ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Joni solo [Mags N Brei ] Travelogue album edition issue ["Moni Kellermann" ] Re: Travelogue album edition issue ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: LA Times Review of Stormy Weather II [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Who's breasts are they anyway? 100% JC [colin ] Re: Travelogue album edition issue ["Moni Kellermann" ] Joni live photos ["Moni Kellermann" ] Travelogue [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Cookbook ["Maggie McNally" ] the cookbook, STILL! ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Swingin' Travelogue ["Kate Bennett" ] Speaking of presents for Joni ... ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? [Ken Corral ] Re: Travelogue album edition issue [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Travelogue album edition issue [Jerry Notaro ] wagner ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? ["RSM" ] Re: Travelogue album edition issue ["Moni Kellermann" ] MuchMusic Poll [James Leahy ] joni files ["janine sherman" ] Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Who's breasts are they anyway? 100% JC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni live photos ["kakki" ] Re: Cookbook ["kakki" ] Chinese Cafe [KJHSF@aol.com] Life can be funny [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: Travelogue format [FredNow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:15:37 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 15 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed twice today at the Convention Center in Niagra Falls, New York - once in the afternoon and again in the evening. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:16:49 -0500 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: Re: Cookbook Thanks are also due to Julie Z. Webb and Beverly who dreamed up the idea. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:22:55 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: What Nonesuch Records is trying to say.... >With material that reaches >back to 1970 ... Fact checkers? We don't need no stinkin' fact checkers! >It s a journey that began nearly three >decades ago ... Apparently arithmetically challenged as well. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:30:00 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Joni Mitchell, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow, Trisha Yearwood Sing For Walden Woods >Mitchell, who closed the show with three numbers, including Bob >Dylan's "Sweetheart Like You" and a new, orchestral version of her classic >"Woodstock," that served as a preview of her upcoming Travelogue release. What was the third song? and HOW WAS SHE???!!! >Items auctioned included a trip on a >private jet to Las Vegas to see Celine Dion perform, a guitar autographed >by the night's performers, and another signed by Bruce Springsteen & the E >Street Band. How much did the tip to see Celine go for? and How much did Bruce's guitar go for?! Richard n.p. Pearl Jam on Letterman: "I am mine" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:43:01 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Thongs to a Seagul Hi everyone, ..my posts are best appreciated when imagining me giggling at my computer....I laugh a lot ! Been reading the deluge of posts and trying to synthesise some thoughts but getting nowhere fast. As ever, Fred's got me thinking. Where would we be without him. Anyhoo, this notion about critics and personal taste has made me reflect upon the idea 'Has Joni realised her intent in putting together 'Travelogue' So my question is not to anyone on the list but to Joni herself 'What were you thinking about woman?' I laughed about one of the other posts about the tight knickered Brits. Would that include the maestro himself Signor Mendoza? In reading the rest of that post I realise a change of heart has taken place...so it is posssible and I want to be one of them. Serious thought time.....( not gigling but looking quizzical) ..again its Fred that's go tme thinking....is it possible to express ideas which are objective? I'm off to put on a realy tight pair of pants ( work that one out) Gordon PS Have a good weekend all. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:03:16 -0000 From: "colin" Subject: Re: What Nonesuch Records is trying to say.... I recently bought the DVD of NO Secrets. the only visuals are the lyrics and photos as it plays. The sound maybe better but other than that, this is juts a cd. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:43:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni solo Of course I would also love a Joni solo record...and what's more, so would the biz and so would the general public! When I think back to the hype given to "comebacks" like Bonnie Raitt, Carlos Santana, Eric Clapton, etc, I think our Joni would be given much the same treatment, unless there's too much resentment over all the nastiness she's been spilling lately. Really & truly, if she DOES quit she's admitting that the industry is right - that there's no vitality or marketability in women of her age & stage...how much sweeter to come back with something kickass and prove them totally WRONG. Joni, call Ani stat! Nebraska remains one of my favorite Springsteen records...and it CERTAINLY wasn't because he gave the biz what it wanted. Have a great weekend all - I'm bound for the SC coast. Bob NP: Patti Witten, "Walk A Mile" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:01:35 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: LA Times review, Stormy Weather POP MUSIC REVIEW Talent burns away 'Stormy Weather' The singer-songwriter tradition takes center stage as women stars lead a benefit. By Randy Lewis, Times Staff Writer Stars aplenty shone from the Wiltern stage Wednesday at the second "Stormy Weather" concert, a fund-raiser for Don Henley's Walden Woods Project. Yet despite many stellar performances among short sets by Joni Mitchell, Stevie Nicks, Reba McEntire, Trisha Yearwood, Sheryl Crow, Norah Jones, Paula Cole, Deborah Cox, Susan Tedeschi and Michelle Branch, the star of the evening wasn't a single one of them. The true headliner was the singer-songwriter tradition itself. The 10 women, each given time for a couple of songs with a 60-piece orchestra, championed that tradition, from newcomer Branch's opening notes to Mitchell's captivating closing set more than two hours later. In addition to samples of their own songs, most of the participants saluted at least one of their favorite songwriters. Mitchell easily handled Bob Dylan's Mitchell-esque "Sweetheart Like You," Jones glided through the Band's "It Makes No Difference" and Crow deftly rendered Steve Earle's heartbreaking "Goodbye." Cole inhabited Tom Waits and Kathleen Brennan's "House Where Nobody Lives," while Yearwood aced Harold Arlen and Ira Gershwin's "The Man That Got Away." There were moments, however, when some of the relative newcomers didn't seem quite at home alone in front of an orchestra. The blues-based Tedeschi, for instance, did an admirable job as a torch singer, both on the standard "These Foolish Things" and in an appropriately moody reading of Mitchell's melancholy holiday song "River." Still, you ached for someone to hand her a guitar so she could really cut loose. Likewise, jazz-blues sensation Jones, while exhibiting the evocative vocal phrasing that has made her one of the year's brightest arrivals, appeared especially ill at ease without her piano in front of her. That may have been as much a function of experience as sheer comfort level. As the show progressed to the veterans, the poise and confidence level rose. McEntire gave a reminder of what a marvelous straight country singer she was before she became a mistress of all media, with her treatment of the Ray Price hit "I Won't Mention It Again." Even Nicks stepped convincingly out of character, delving deeply into the blues of Etta James' "Sunday Kind of Love." Mitchell capped the evening as spiritual godmother to the women who had preceded her onstage with a stunning update of "Woodstock" that recast its original wide-eyed optimism into a haunting fable that mourned the loss of youthful idealism. If she truly intends to retire from music, as she's been quoted as saying recently, she made it clear that when she does, she's not about to go gentle into that good night. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:11:24 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Swingin' Travelogue > > is an orchestra supposed to swing? (rhetorical question) > > > > I personally tend to suscribe to Duke Ellington's famous theory: "It don't > mean a thing if it ain't got that swing". > > sure but isn't that for a jazz band? > Hi Kate, I have a feeling that swingin' applies to a lot more music styles, not just jazz. Perhaps the professional musicians in this list could help since my music theory knowledge is very limited. It seems to me that the difference between a boring and a non-boring music delivery has to do with where the beat is in relation to the rest. And isn't that also the definition of swing/groove? I can't express clearly concepts I don't master, but in essence this would mean that without a heartbeat music is "dead". Help! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Joni solo southern man Bob wrote: <> me too me too! My dream of dreams for Joni doing a solo gig would be the Twee Meter Sessies Studio in Amsterdam. Uncle John can tell us more about that...anything Ive heard from that amazing space is incredible. npimh: sarah mclachlan and venice, not at the same time, but in the same venue as per above. mmmm sweet. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:43:58 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Travelogue album edition issue Hi there, I spoke to the guy in charge of promoting the album here in Germany on the phone today. He told me that he has no information of any "special edition" of Travelogue. His info is that the album consists of 2 CDs in a box with 2 booklets, one of the booklets containing paintings. He doesn't know of any CD-ROM. He also said it's unlikely that there would be such an extra version published later as it would be targeted at those folks who buy the album first, so if there were any special edition it would have to come out first, not later. He also mentioned that JM is said to feel "misquoted" in the Rolling Stone interview which may now result to her doing fewer or even no other interviews. In my humble opinion JM should do more interviews, not less. If she can get more stories from different point of views then the whole media would not have to keep on recycling the "misquoted" contents of the RS interview. moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:48:01 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue What Rolling STone interview? are you referring to the W Magazine interview? thanks, Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moni Kellermann" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Travelogue album edition issue Hi there, I spoke to the guy in charge of promoting the album here in Germany on the phone today. He told me that he has no information of any "special edition" of Travelogue. His info is that the album consists of 2 CDs in a box with 2 booklets, one of the booklets containing paintings. He doesn't know of any CD-ROM. He also said it's unlikely that there would be such an extra version published later as it would be targeted at those folks who buy the album first, so if there were any special edition it would have to come out first, not later. He also mentioned that JM is said to feel "misquoted" in the Rolling Stone interview which may now result to her doing fewer or even no other interviews. In my humble opinion JM should do more interviews, not less. If she can get more stories from different point of views then the whole media would not have to keep on recycling the "misquoted" contents of the RS interview. moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:50:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Who's breasts are they anyway? 100% JC At a time when many beautiful young women were selling their images on their covers (sorry, Colin, Carly in that nightie on the cover was a sell out) it is important to remember that a few, like Joni, Laura, Janis, Judy, and Joan never did. In fact, the cover of Joan on Farewell Angelina makes here look much less attractive than the beauty she still remains today. Jerry NP: Laura Nyro - Let It Be Me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:27:56 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni solo Muller writes: << When I think back to the hype given to "comebacks" like Bonnie Raitt, Carlos Santana, Eric Clapton, etc, I think our Joni would be given much the same treatment >> NORMA DESMOND: "'Comeback'! I hate that word. It's a 'return'." --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:27:36 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue Moni Kellermann wrote: > Hi there, > > I spoke to the guy in charge of promoting the album here in Germany on the > phone today. > He told me that he has no information of any "special edition" of > Travelogue. > His info is that the album consists of 2 CDs in a box with 2 booklets, one > of the booklets containing paintings. He doesn't know of any CD-ROM. He also > said it's unlikely that there would be such an extra version published later > as it would be targeted at those folks who buy the album first, so if there > were any special edition it would have to come out first, not later. I've seen three separate editions online. One plain 2 cd, one with special booklet, and one with enhanced cd. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:00:12 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: LA Times Review of Stormy Weather II Here is a link to the LA Times review of Stormy Weather II. Online edition has a photo of Nora Jones. Print Edition has a picture of Joni and Deborah Cox http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-et-lewis15nov15.story ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:06:22 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: LA Times Review of Stormy Weather II In a message dated 11/15/2002 10:55:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, spyboy@earthlink.net writes: > http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-et-lewis15nov15.story > Thanks for the link Ken. I wish the online edition showed a photo of Joni, but at least Kakki gave a little fashion review. AND good to see you back Ken. Talk about old timers :~) We got a post from both you and Phyllis in one day. Glad you LA JMDLers are back among the living. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:07:03 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Who's breasts are they anyway? 100% JC Jerry Notaro wrote: > At a time when many beautiful young women were selling their images on > their covers (sorry, Colin, Carly in that nightie on the cover was a > sell out) Carly did sexy covers from the beginning. The sexiest being Anticipation ,No Secrets,Playing Possum, Bogs In The Trees. The most stunning photograph wise were head shots on her first G.Hits album and on Hello Big Man. She is very photogenic. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:08:48 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dollinger" > What Rolling STone interview? The one in the October 2002 issue > are you referring to the W Magazine interview? no. moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:11:58 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Joni live photos here are 3 photos from the concert: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2omgq.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2omgr.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2omey.html (please assemble the links into one line each) moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:27:00 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Travelogue Travelogue is the 96th best selling cd this week on Amazon.com. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:36:34 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Cookbook I, too, was "somewhat present" at that Jonifest (no cracks from Paz, please) and will attest that the cookbook is one that deserves greater distribution. But I forget why that didn't happen. Did Marian and Jerry and the others for whom it was a labor of love just burn out? Too many lost little gray cells - please refresh my memory. As for Kakki's observation that Joni's comment testifies to the creativity and talent of the people on this list, I feel moved to add that it isn't as if we don't get regular proof of that. On this list, on disc, in person at Fests and informal gatherings - time and time again I am blown away by the intelligence of this community, as well as the humor that many of our members bring to their wry observations of life and love. Add to that the passion, the caring and the positive spirit that so many members bring to living and you have a positively addictive mix. By golly, I'm high as I write this! Maggie McNally NP: Jonifest 2001: Chuck E., Trouble Child > -----Original Message----- > From: kakki [mailto:kakkib@vzavenue.net] > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:28 AM > To: Jerry Notaro; AsharaJM@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Cookbook > > > Jerry wrote: > > > Yes she did, though we never did get it printed up for mass > distribution. > BUT, I > > do still have it and the cover electronically and will send > it out to > anyone who > > asks. Just don't ask for any more revisions. Those are done! > > I still wish we could do a mass distribution of it. Jerry - > even though I > was somewhat (lol) present at the J-Fest where some multiple special > editions were given by Marian, I never got to see them! I > would love to see > a pic of the cover if you can email it. I've told the story > before so sorry > for the redundancy - but for newer listers - when I saw Joni > at her '99 > painting exhibit in L.A. ALL she wanted to talk about was > that cookbook. > She absolutely loved it. People around us were changing the > subject but she > kept going back to the cookbook and the bios (very clever and > funny) that we > sent along with it. The best part of all was an interview > published a few > months later where she mentioned the cookbook from her > "internet people" > most glowingly ;-) She really loved it - a testament to the > creativity and > talent of the people here. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:00:18 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: the cookbook, STILL! in case i didn't make myself clear..... (which clearly i didn't!!).... i'm willing to print, bind and distribute a hard copy of the cookbook (complete with snazzy laminated covers to be manufactured by resident assistant techno-wizard lori fye) to whoever is interested. all you need to do is just send me an email with your address and all that stuff, and i'll get the thing out to you asap. you don't even have to guess a joni song. cindy (if you just want the electronic version, i've got that, too, of course.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:23:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Swingin' Travelogue "It seems to me that the difference between a boring and a non-boring music delivery has to do with where the beat is in relation to the rest. And isn't that also the definition of swing/groove? I can't express clearly concepts I don't master, but in essence this would mean that without a heartbeat music is "dead"." laruent, i see what you are saying...far as i know swing describes jazz & groove describes a bunch of other genres...anyway my original point was that the reviewer was disappointed that joni's songs did not swing which i thought was silly because i would not expect that of a full orchestra arrangement... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:28:50 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Speaking of presents for Joni ... Joni will turn 60 next November. Quite a milestone, or maybe it should be referred to as a gemstone. In anniversary terms, it's the "diamond" year. I realize it's a bit early, and with all the discussion about T'log this may get lost in the shuffle, but ... Perhaps we might start tossing around ideas NOW as to what kind of special gift and/or celebration we can put together for November 7, 2003? Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:45:47 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Whose breasts are they anyway? Gee, It's nice to see a subject I can get my hands on, after all the politics... :) Lamadama wrote: >I know boobs when I see 'em and there are two! Did we ever resolve whether >it's a model or uhmmm... the artist herself? Actually, we have discussed this - some dedicated archive surfer might be able to find the posts. My contention is that the person on the cover of DJRD is...er...somewhat more endowed than our Siquomb. I base this on the red evening gown she was wearing, braless, at the '74 Universal Ampitheatre concert. I can dig out my photos (I was seated stage left) if you like. (Also pleased to see Ken C. back!) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:48:07 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? > I base this on the red evening gown she was wearing, > braless, at the '74 Universal Ampitheatre concert. I can dig > out my photos (I was seated stage left) if you like. Yes, please!!!! : ) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:49:27 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: Speaking of presents for Joni ... Perhaps we might start tossing around ideas NOW as to what kind of special gift and/or celebration we can put together for November 7, 2003? An anger management course with a note that when you are in the Rock and Roll of Fame, make the #10 (top 5?) of every list that counts, have received Grammys and ASCAP awards, TNT tributes, jazz tributes, and have such adoring fans as us, that you are not UNDER appreciated. Most artists would die for that type of recognition. Vince, ducking from the flack that will cvome my way ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:56:33 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Travelogue format Hi List -- There's been a question about the format of Travelogue, so I asked Nonesuch. Here's the good news: Dear David, Yes indeed, Travelogue is an enhanced CD, containing a gallery of Joni's artwork. Thanks for writing & best regards, Sam Lambert Nonesuch Records Best, David http://www.davidmarine.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:11:22 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? Steve Dulson wrote: > > (Also pleased to see Ken C. back!) > -- > ######################################################## Ah Steve, thank you --- I see you're still as gracious as ever. ======================== Ken Corral http://www.kencorral.com ======================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:23:36 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue >>I've seen three separate editions online. One plain 2 cd, one with special booklet, and one with enhanced cd.<< Jerry Crawling out of lurkdom for now---I think they're all one and the same, Jerry. Just got my advance copy today, and the package is spectacular! The domestic, US version has a complete, cardboard outer-case, with a 'hardbound' book (er, travelogue) inside, which holds the disc's and features a 28 page, glossy booklet of quotes, credits and mostly paintings (including a rather scornful looking one of George Dubya, btw). Then, there's a additional booklet entirely of lyrics. Disc 1 also has 'enhanced' cd-rom features, including a virtual gallery of Joni's own paintings that you're gonna love... XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:33:22 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue Thanks, Billy. I got the advance version which has not booklet or enhanced cd. I went to one of my favorite sites for preordering and the 3 copies available had 3 separate descriptions, thus my misunderstanding. Glad to hear they are all "deluxe!" Jerry Wtking59@cs.com wrote: > >>I've seen three separate editions online. One plain 2 cd, one with special > booklet, and one with enhanced cd.<< > > Jerry > > Crawling out of lurkdom for now---I think they're all one and the same, Jerry. > > Just got my advance copy today, and the package is spectacular! > The domestic, US version has a complete, cardboard outer-case, with a > 'hardbound' book (er, travelogue) inside, which holds the disc's and features > a 28 page, glossy booklet of quotes, credits and mostly paintings (including > a rather scornful looking one of George Dubya, btw). > Then, there's a additional booklet entirely of lyrics. > > Disc 1 also has 'enhanced' cd-rom features, including a virtual gallery of > Joni's own paintings that you're gonna love... > > XXXOOO, > Billy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:44:58 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? Steve Dulson wrote: > > Actually, we have discussed this - some dedicated archive surfer > might be able to find the posts. My contention is that the person > on the cover of DJRD is...er...somewhat more endowed than our > Siquomb. That was my first thought, too, based on the swimming pool picture and the ones of her in the desert. And, to veer even more toward the indelicate... our Siquomb is a natural blonde, yes? and the figure on the dress isn't. I vaguely recognize the figure from some painting, but can't pinpoint or find which one. It's never struck me as sexy even though it is nude. Joni's liveliness in that photo is much more appealing to me. And thanks to Bree (I think) for pointing out that the way the figure is holding her arms is similar to the way Joni has been photographed. Interesting. I still don't think the nude figure is Joni, but there may have been some unconscious copying going on in the photos. Maybe it's a painting Joni really loves. Now that I'm looking closely at the cover, what's with all those big-eared cartoon images? Doves I can understand, a nude "art" figure makes sense, too, but mickey mouse??? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:01:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: wagner i just read the posts now and then, so i don't know exactly who said what to whom, so this goes to the list in general. to dis wagner because hitler liked his music is like ... well the analogies are so abundant that i won't even write one. i leave it to your enlightened heads. to dis wagner's music because wagner was a horrible man is like ... again, complete the analogy yourselves. i very emphatically believe that only a very intellectually challenged person can pass the kind of judgment i have read on this list about wagner's music on the basis of politics. folks, if you don't like opera, if it bores you, if you hate classically trained voices, if you're only contact with opera has been the occasional boheme or don giovanni, please refrain from making fools of yourselves. i can go with, ?? i saw die walkure and i was bored to death?? or any comment on your PERSONAL experience. you hated every minute? fine. i get it. but it bothers me when you make unwarranted generalizations and judge what you have no background or significant exposure to judge. it offends me as a relatively intelligent member of this list. sometimes many of you sound like those people who stopped LIKING woody allen movies after he married his step-daughter. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:07:05 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? A resend of an earlier email that I suspect was magically deleted by my computer: Found this on a Google cached page from a jmdl page: "In the song, Don Juan is really the art of the tongue, it's rapping - coffee house poet talk," says Joni who dressed up as a black guy for the LP's cover and sleeve. That's her too, underneath the Indian garb. The shooting sessions were upbeat, with Joni trying on different dresses and dancing around while Norman Seeff clicked away. When he asked for another change of clothes, he hardly recognized the black character that strutted from the dressing room five minutes later. "At that point, I realized I really enjoy character acting," she says. Working again with the Camera Lucida (Lucy) machine, Joni arranged the photos agreed upon from the sessions: she blew up the shot of her as the black guy and put it in the foreground; she liked the spirit of the shot with the top hat because it symbolized what she felt was the 'magic' on the album; and she included the shot of a kid who'd been in a session for a previous album. "He was shy and had never danced before, that's why he's looking at his feet," she says. But to her, the elements were not "homogenized" enough to be the final cover shot. When she noticed a postcard of a nude with a Mickey Mouse hat and balloons on a bulletin board she felt it was "the element that was like the cherry on the pudding that makes the whole thing come together." She worked it onto the dress, partly obscuring the pubic area and figure of Mickey Mouse (for legal reasons), I added the birds, and then had an airbrusher smooth over the edges of all the photos. She then selected the background colors from the options presented by Glen Christensen, who, she says, has a "wonderful knowledge of inks." http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=don+juan%27s+reckless+cove r+art Ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dsk" To: "Steve Dulson" ; Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? > Steve Dulson wrote: > > > > Actually, we have discussed this - some dedicated archive surfer > > might be able to find the posts. My contention is that the person > > on the cover of DJRD is...er...somewhat more endowed than our > > Siquomb. > > That was my first thought, too, based on the swimming pool picture and > the ones of her in the desert. And, to veer even more toward the > indelicate... our Siquomb is a natural blonde, yes? and the figure on > the dress isn't. > > I vaguely recognize the figure from some painting, but can't pinpoint or > find which one. It's never struck me as sexy even though it is nude. > Joni's liveliness in that photo is much more appealing to me. > > And thanks to Bree (I think) for pointing out that the way the figure is > holding her arms is similar to the way Joni has been photographed. > Interesting. I still don't think the nude figure is Joni, but there may > have been some unconscious copying going on in the photos. Maybe it's a > painting Joni really loves. > > Now that I'm looking closely at the cover, what's with all those > big-eared cartoon images? Doves I can understand, a nude "art" figure > makes sense, too, but mickey mouse??? > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:26:07 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue I guess that the description of the German promoter was correct, i.e. a box containing 2 booklets and 2 CD's. He seems not to have noticed that one of the CD's is enhanced. Thanx for the info, Billy! :)) Although the German release date is listed as Nov. 25, I hope I will get my copy next week, I am really keen to see more of the paintings! Billy: how big are the images of the paintings displayed on the CD in terms of resolution? Are they full-screen? moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:14:01 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? RSM wrote: > > When she noticed a postcard of a nude with a Mickey Mouse hat... Oh, I see. Sometimes a mickey mouse is just a (disguised for copyright reasons) mickey mouse. Thanks for finding that info from the jmdl.com treasure house. I always like learning about Joni's creative process (or at least the conscious part of it) and hadn't read about the DJRD cover before. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:59:32 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: MuchMusic Poll MuchMusic's website had a poll with the following question: "Do you think Joni Mitchell has gone too far by quitting music and saying the business is a cesspool?" The results were: Yes 41% No 59% Not a scientific poll question.You could interpret these results by saying that 59% of respondents felt that Joni has not gone too far by quitting the music biz. Here in Canada, there are conflicting reports about the release date for Travelogue. Some say the 19th; others say the 26th. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:16:11 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: joni files Moni- Could you post those Joni files again? Many thanks, Janine NP: Chinese Cafe daily T'log Nonesuch release ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:25:50 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Whose breasts are they anyway? Debra writes: << Oh, I see. Sometimes a mickey mouse is just a (disguised for copyright reasons) mickey mouse. >> I think Joni stole this whole putting-Mickey-Mouse-into-art idea from Claes Oldenburg, circa 1974. But Claes never really had to worry about stinkin' copyright reasons. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:04:24 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Who's breasts are they anyway? 100% JC > At a time when many beautiful young women were selling their images on > their covers (sorry, Colin, Carly in that nightie on the cover was a > sell out) it is important to remember that a few, like Joni, Laura, > Janis, Judy, and Joan never did. In fact, the cover of Joan on Farewell > Angelina makes here look much less attractive than the beauty she still > remains today. > I think Jerry makes a very good point here and I think it's a big part of why Joni has such a low opinion of Madonna as an artist. Joni has worked in the music business for more than 30 years, turning out work of a quality and depth that few people have even begun to approach. She has done this with dignity, grace and class. So now she sees Madonna, a person whose talent is maybe a notch or two above mediocre, resorting to every outrageous antic of self-promotion in the book and dragging down the standard that Joni worked so hard to set and maintain. On top of that, Madonna has the nerve to proclaim Joni as one of her influences. I'm no prude. I admit to having enjoyed watching Ricky Martin on tv shaking his bon-bon or whatever the hell he calls it from time to time. I own just about everything that Carly Simon has recorded but I know that she didn't appear bra-less on 'No Secrets' with her nipples on high-beam or kneeling on the floor in those black boots and black lace teddy on 'Playin' Possum' because she thought it was an artistic statement. She was using her natural attributes as an extremely sensual-looking woman to sell her albums. But there's a difference. Carly has talent in spades. Maybe not the same kind of talent that Joni has but in terms of pop singing and songwriting, Carly's in the upper echelon, imo. And Janis, bless her, was the all time Earth Mama. She was sexy, earthy, visceral and exploding with the gigantic soul and talent that consumed her from the inside out. I can hardly separate Janis's talent from her image. She wore the times, her soul and her heart on her sleeve and everywhere else on her exterior, for that matter. But Madonna? Others have said it, but I will say it again that without her shrewdness about self-promotion, her dancing ability, her bitchin' bod and the people she gets to produce and play on her records, nobody would bother with her. Her voice is ok but nothing remarkable. I guess she's co-written some of her songs but, again, they are ok as pop ditties but nothing great. So I have to agree with Joni. Madonna has taken talent (at least exceptional talent) out of the equation and become a cultural icon mostly by making herself sound good and shoving T and A in our faces. It's like she's turned live music into a Las Vegas showgirl act. Why wouldn't this make Joni, a true artist who has worked for so long to maintain a standard of integrity and excellence with dignity and class, pissed off about it? Madonna cites Joni as an influence when in fact by lowering the standards that Joni has worked so hard to set, she is really pissing all over those standards. Mark E in Seattle on the soap box tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:17:50 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue >>Billy: how big are the images of the paintings displayed on the CD in terms of resolution? Are they full-screen? moni<< Hi Moni. Well, the CD 'gallery' is presented in a 'scrolling' format (rather than individual slides), and not really full-screen--partly because the prints are framed, much like the cover portrait. Still, it's very crisp and classy looking, and you have control options of scrolling left OR right - --and even holding a still frame--either with or without audio. And I should probably have made it clear earlier that this wonderful package is indeed included in all standard, US domestic versions of "Travelogue" (thankfully...), and is not a special edition in any way, shape or form. YESSSS ;-) XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:48:02 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni live photos Thanks for posting these! My favorite is the third photograph. She looks stunning.....fresh and beautiful!! (this now adorns my desktop) (lovely dress..great colors) Bree >here are 3 photos from the concert: > >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2omgq.html > >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2omgr.html > >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2omey.html > >(please assemble the links into one line each) > > >moni _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:32:41 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni live photos Moni, Thanks so much for the photo links! Kakki > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2omgq.html > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2omgr.html > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021114/170/2omey.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:37:14 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Cookbook Hi Maggie, > As for Kakki's observation that Joni's comment testifies to the > creativity and talent of the people on this list, I feel moved to add > that it isn't as if we don't get regular proof of that. We do, but it was a chance for Joni to see it, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:37:05 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Chinese Cafe Well, I hadn't loved the initial Travelogue selections at the Nonesuch site, but damn!!! Maybe it's the November dreariness or this lingering, stubborn depression I've been grappling with, but Chinese Cafe caused me to weep. Joni's voice is so appropriate, and just jammed with emotion and melancholy. It's just unbelievable how each phrase is packed with emotion. "where does the time go" "I bore her, but I could not raise her" Wonder what it was like for Joni to sing that lyric knowing that now everyone knows the story? It's a great song for her to revisit at this stage since she was 40 or so when she wrote it, right? The phrasing seems right on this one cuz the lyrics have a more succinct structure--she can pack a punch with every phrase! What kind of bugged me about, say Amelia, was that her short punch-packed phrasings would come five or six times before the lyrical line's message was over. Compare "Nothing lasts for long" (a complete concept) to "it's so hard to obey his sad request of me to kindly stay away." Her phrasing on Amelia, IMHO, was so emotive with every three or four words that it started to feel a little forced to me. But, with Chinese Cafe, it is golden! I really enjoyed Hejira the other day, too-the percussion was perfect. Have any other listers who weren't thrilled at first come to change their minds? I'm curious. Can't wait till Tuesday Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:53:00 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Life can be funny Ive only had the pleasure of seeing Joni live once and as far as hearing covers of her songs the closest ive come was seeing Janet JAcksons Velvet Rope tour and the "got till its gone" hook..Now I love Tori Amos almost as much as madame Joni and she played in jersey(my home) tonight however i couldnt go cause of work so im goin in Connecticut tomorrow..i digress..ALERT COVERS KING...Tori covered River tonight and I wasnt there...UGGH!!!Reports from my friends on the song range from "I was blown away" to "im not even gonna tell you cause it was so good youll cry" now youd think one of my friends would have taped the show.. but no.. so if anyone out there gets a hold of this particular cover let someone on the list know..OH YEAH 4 DAYS TILL TRAVELOUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!peace y'all ****KEVIN**** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:58:52 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue format David Marine writes: >Hi List -- > >There's been a question about the format of Travelogue, so I asked Nonesuch. >Here's the good news: > >Dear David, >Yes indeed, Travelogue is an enhanced CD, containing a gallery of Joni's >artwork. > >Thanks for writing & best regards, >Sam Lambert >Nonesuch Records What Sam didn't say is, "And somehow, no one at the label saw fit to mention this on our site." - -Fred ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #344 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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