From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #341 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, November 14 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 341 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- you guys are selling joni way short.... ["walterphil" ] Re: Joni and Zappa [David Sadowski ] Re: Joni Quote - comment ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: RollingStone.com: Recordings: Joni Mitchell, Travelogue, 2 Stars ["Ka] Re: RollingStone.com: Recordings: Joni Mitchell, Travelogue, 2Stars ["Kat] RE: "all the guilty people..." ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: YOU BET!! was RE: Re: Joni, "an original" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\] Re: Joni and Santana [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Article says Joni's calling it quits ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #486 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: RollingStone.com: Recordings: Joni Mitchell, Travelogue, 2Stars [Murp] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #486 ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni segment on PBS [KJHSF@aol.com] RE: Article says Joni's calling it quits ["Heather" ] rolling stoned ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: Speaking about bizarre links... [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup ] Re: Article says Joni's calling it quits [Eric W Taylor ] thinking of women [Yael Harlap ] Re: Joni and Santana ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni segment on PBS ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Article says Joni's calling it quits ["Kate Bennett" Subject: you guys are selling joni way short.... in my list joni has 9!!! breathtaking albums back to back stas, clouds, ladies, blue, roses, court, miles, hissing, herjira thats 9!! 9 perfect lps methinks only the beatles can break that pp me, with, hard, 4 sale help, rubber, revolver, pepper, mm tour, white hmmm 10... (damn that yellow submarine!) (could have been longer) stones? aftermath, buttons, satanic, beggars, bleed, sticky, exile (a measley 6) but taking your point of view, i have seneral more groups or artists that have at least 3 airplane-surrealistic, baxters, crown. pointed head, volunteers dylan--another side,bringin, highway, blonde judy--jc5, in my life, wildflowers, who knows joan--jb5, farewell, noel, joan laura--ist songs, eli, tendaberry, christmas, miracle bowie--hunky, ziggy, aladin, pin ups, diamond dogs (damn that young americans) but then... station, low, heroes, lodger, scarey monsters (looks like the beats and joni had a run for their money here) (and at this point, let's discount live albums, shall we?) kinks--face to face, something else, village green, lola elvis c--aim, this years', armed, get happy, trust, imp bed (and for all you nitpickers---ok ok noel and gonna take a miracle are not groundbreaking albums i just happen to love them) my point is song per song, album per album joni is right up there with (or well ahead of) anyones best xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:13:24 -0500 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: RollingStone.com: Recordings: Joni Mitchell, Travelogue, 2 Stars First of all never trust Rolling Stone they are a crappy crappy rag of a mag, and secondly please pardon my french but the magazine that promptly features the two whoring bimbos, Christina and Britney, as musical acts no less, doesn't know shit!! >From: "Blair Fraipont" >Reply-To: "Blair Fraipont" >To: davidmarine@mindspring.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: RollingStone.com: Recordings: Joni Mitchell, Travelogue, 2 Stars >Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:07:19 -0500 > > I usually trust Rolling Stone, but every now and then, >they'll get someone totally fresh out of college to write reviews. >You can bet if David Wild or David Fricke would give it at least >31/2 stars or more. I can trust them, becuase they have such a >consumate history of reviewing records and the like. Joni getting 2 >stars makes me think of Tori AMos, who back in 1996 released, Boys >for Pele. Well, the Rolling Stone review said something very similar >to what they said about Joni, > Since Tori Amos plays piano they asserted that unlike Jerry Lee >Lewis, who plays songs like "Great Balls of Fire" with gusto and >ferver, that Tori is lacking in that category and those >aforementioned qualities should be added to her work. Well, First of >all, that was just sexist, second, Tori is never and was never, a >'rock n' roller' more of a spiritual muse and thirdly, What the fuck >does Jerry Lee Lewis have to do with anything relevant today, aside >from sodomy? > Same with Joni, she really isn't a 'rock n' roller' and never >would strive to make a 'rock orchestration record' becuase it is not >her style.. Poo POO. > Blair :) >I'll wear it proudly-Elvis Costello > > > > > > >>It seems Rolling Stone does not feel that the strings on Travelogue >>are up >>to the standards of "great orchestral rock." Glad that the reviewer >>is >>shielding RS's readers from orchestral recordings that are not >>sophisticated >>enough for them! >> >>Cherokee Louise lives under a tunnel? >> >>And so the slamming begins........ >> >> >> >>http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/cd/review.asp?aid=2045280&cf=360 > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:27:04 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni and Zappa >Harald: I've read somewhere that she showed up at least once at >Zappa's place in the late 60's. Seems a very strange connection >to me (was she >wearing feathers and bells?) Of course, Joni and Frank only lived a few hundred yards apart, he on Laurel Canyon Bl. and Joni on Lookout Mountain Av. I imagine that if she were bored, popping over to Frank's to see what was going on might have appealed. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:31:26 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Joni and Zappa On one of those early live recordings I recently worked on, I seem to recall Joni saying that one of her songs had been somewhat influenced by hearing the Mothers of Invention... could that have been Chelsea Morning? Steve Dulson wrote: >> Harald: I've read somewhere that she showed up at least once at >> Zappa's place in the late 60's. Seems a very strange connection >> to me (was she >wearing feathers and bells?) > > > Of course, Joni and Frank only lived a few hundred yards apart, > he on Laurel Canyon Bl. and Joni on Lookout Mountain Av. I > imagine that if she were bored, popping over to Frank's to > see what was going on might have appealed. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:27:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni Quote - comment bob s >>Anyway, my take on this is that your point is consonant with Joni's point - without Madonna having paved the way, there might have been more 'new Jonis' in the world of pop today, and fewer Britneys and Christinas.<< this is so true...having watched how so many a&r folks are always looking for someone new to replicate the last 'artist' who just sold a gazillion records...its not about art [joni's husband ;~} ], it is about record sales bob s >>And why was Madonna ultimately so successful in selling her wares ? Because most people are willing to buy the product she was willing to sell,<< madonna's wares (at least in the beginning) were primarily 'sex' & 'shock' which are obviously an easy sell... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:27:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: RollingStone.com: Recordings: Joni Mitchell, Travelogue, 2 Stars my general assessment of RS (overall) is that it is a very sexist rag...so there...lol performing songwriter is a much much much much much much better magazine...its actually mostly about music...imagine that... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:27:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: RollingStone.com: Recordings: Joni Mitchell, Travelogue, 2Stars is an orchestra supposed to swing? (rhetorical question) imo, a reviewer should have a good understanding & respect for the artist he/she is reviewing & based on that foundation, ought to then give an honest review...unfortunately this is often not the case... ahemm bob...i am not that old...try UNCLE! >>NP: (Kate's older brother) Tony Bennett, "They Can't Take That Away From Me"<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:04:36 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: "all the guilty people..." Jenny, You college gurls shure do talk purty. Lama, who knew you had that kind of thinking going on the whole time. Why do you lurk so? > From: Jenny Goodspeed said, > Well, Jim, since you asked... ;~) > > If Webster's had an entry for poet-songwriter, Joni > would be the definition and Court and Spark would be > included as the example - to me it is the most > exquisite marriage of music and words. From the first > poignant notes of the piano intro (as Bob and Bree so > aptly admired) to the very last slide of the guitar - > the song is perfection. > > I imagine during the "All the guilty people..." verse > that this rogue wanderer is telling the protagonist > about his spiritual conversion, attempting to win her > over, so that she too will leave behind her current > life and all it's hypocrisies and trappings > (spiritual, material, creative or otherwise) and to > make a new life with him. > > A bit more romantic of an interpretation, then Lama's, > "come-on line", wouldn't you say? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:16:48 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: the "W" interview "Don't make me sound too dissy, ok?" Joni, you just keep on pissing in that fireplace...it's working here! (ROTFL) CC But the day she hits, that's the day she'll leave. That one little victory is all she needs. -- JM _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:29:28 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: YOU BET!! was RE: Re: Joni, "an original" Hmmm. There are HOLES in my Carly Simon collection. I only have four: "Anticipation", "Hotcakes", "Boys In the Trees" and "Spy". Where do I go from here? (I know. I know. '....To the record shop. Duh!') Lama PS, I hate it when you're right. :) > colin said, > It was written by Carole Bayer Sager and Marvin > Hamlisch(defibately by CBS maybe > not Hamlisch), not Carly. > -- Lama said, > > . Maybe Carly wrote "Nobody Does > > It Better" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:12:46 -0500 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Santana I think Joni should collaborate with some innovative musician like Carlos Santana. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:12:52 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Article says Joni's calling it quits Yeah! Go, Norma go! It's not like you'd put a vividly ripe vaginal symbol on your album cover or anything. ( 1969 http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics ) Or a photo of a bikini-clad chick swimming on her back. (1975) Or your bare backside on a poster-sized foldout! (1972) You have higher standards! And you'd never say 'feck' in a lyric either. Or write a saucy story. You're above the fray! The thing is: she's getting quoted ALL OVER THE PLACE for these pesudo-outragous statements. She lucky enough to be a natural at getting quoted and in that, she's EXACTLY like Madonna. It's not calculated when Joni does it and it's probably not calculated when Madonna does it. They're both broads and I love (one of them) for it! Advice to Victor and Jack: Practice up for your release party. Try this: "Rolling Stone can BITE me." Say it in front of a mirror, boys, until you can make eye contact everytime and deliver the line with CONVICTION. "Rolling Stone wouldn't know ART if it tickled them under the CHIN and said coochy-coo!" Put THAT on a CNN banner! Oh, she's stoking the machinery all right. Sit back and watch how all of this gets picked up next week (the week of the release, eh?) in the tabloids: "CURMUDGEON CALLS IT QUITS!! The Inside Story: Why I won't grab my crotch for MTV!!!, A grandmother's anguish" She's RIGHT where she should be. You *GO* girl! Joni quoted on a CNN banner! That's so outrageous and perfectly excellent! Lama In a message dated 11/12/2002 10:23:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, Joni teases the MTV stars: > "Show my tits? Grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a > choreographer? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:39:30 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and Zappa Yes, they did hang out and there was some posting on the Zappa list about it at one time. Also read that Joni, I think, dated Captain Beefheart for a bit (they had the painting thing in common). Beefheart was Zappa's boyhood friend. Kakki > >Harald: I've read somewhere that she showed up at least once at > >Zappa's place in the late 60's. Seems a very strange connection > >to me (was she >wearing feathers and bells?) > > Of course, Joni and Frank only lived a few hundred yards apart, > he on Laurel Canyon Bl. and Joni on Lookout Mountain Av. I > imagine that if she were bored, popping over to Frank's to > see what was going on might have appealed. :) > -- > ######################################################## > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com > "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com > "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:47:25 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #486 The poet Robert Lowell once described himself as "feeling too much, seeing too much with a layer of skin missing". Kind of applies to Joni I think. I feel a little bad for her. I think she may be having a very difficult time with leaving the music world and maybe aging too. It's not easy on anyone. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:05:45 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: RollingStone.com: Recordings: Joni Mitchell, Travelogue, 2Stars Muller wrote: << NP: (Kate's older brother) Tony Bennett, "They Can't Take That Away From Me" >> And then a heartbroken Kate responded with: << ahemm bob...i am not that old...try UNCLE! >> Dear Kate, I am so sorry this was posted. My heart just fell -- fell! -- when I saw what that mean Muller had written. And they call HIM the *nice* Bob . . . Go figure. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:12:49 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #486 >The poet Robert Lowell once described himself as "feeling too much, seeing >too much with a layer of skin missing". Kind of applies to Joni I think. Yes..it really does. Thanks for sharing this! Lama: I went to get the book today. I did not know that it was not available in stores yet.. Borders will not have it until (April) 2003? I will order it from Amazon though. (I'm always behind the time..just like this train..) RECOGNITION: When I think of you and your place here, I think of you as a professor.. all things Joni. We need a professor here. Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:15:32 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni segment on PBS I found the name of the PBS show from last friday that had the brilliant Joni content: From TV GUIDE: Under the Covers Photographer Henry Diltz and artist Gary Burden, who created some of the classic album cover art of the 60's and 70's, tell stories of Los Angeles during rock's heydey. Diltz' apparently shot a lot of blue-filter stuff for Blue, none of which was used. For me, the best part of the segment was the old super-8 footage of Joni. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:42:50 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Article says Joni's calling it quits is it possible ... just possible ... that joni may secretly want to be glitzy? No .. I just can't picture in my minds eye joni grabbing her crotch but show her tits? Well, she showed her ass on FTR. She has every right to be pissed about the music business but Joni, please, move on already. Joni is the crhme de la crhme. Kate has a good idea... Joni should start her own label. Would she let anyone else record on it though? Kate ... doesn't Joni consider Jonatha Brooke and Aimee Mann part of the mainstream? Maybe we should start writing Joni's responses in interviews for her ;-" Best- Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:27 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Article says Joni's calling it quits >>saying she would never take another deal in the record business, "which means I may not record again".<< who knows... but NEVER taking another record deal is one thing... & MAY not record again is another...hope springs eternal... pssst....Joni, you can do this on your own...you don't need no stinkin record company...there is a lot of great music out there! pay no attention to what the mainstream biz is producing these days...you won't find it too much of it there...that doesn't mean it isn't alive & well...your songs stand up on their own...remember when you recorded with just a vocal & guitar/piano? & blew us all away...c'mon...you still have a lot to say... stephen wrote >>But she said: "no one wants to listen to what I have to say." She seemed extremely pissed, and rightly so, that she has not received the "recognition" she truly deserves.<< i know she feels this way & i can understand where she is coming from only in the context of where the music biz has gone...but i believe she is looking in the wrong direction for recognition...the music biz is indeed as she describes it but so what?...she can just go around it...i really wish she'd stop looking at her music reflected through the biz & start looking at what other folks (especially woman) have done recently ... 2 great examples are jonatha brooke & aimee mann...they've had more success & recognition on their own terms than they ever had when they had a record deal...joni may not have the widespread commercial success of some other, less talented, 'artists', but that has never been her priority... she has a significant fan base that i am convinced would buy an album of her new songs (!) if she were to release them independently & she'd be keeping all the profits from the sales instead of handing it over to a label... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:06:30 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Article says Joni's calling it quits In a message dated 11/13/2002 9:42:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, chiaroscuro@snet.net writes: > ... doesn't Joni consider Jonatha Brooke and Aimee Mann part of the > mainstream? > I don't know what Joan has to say about Jonatha, but about aimee she said "she dares to put the anxiety back in rock." ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:31:45 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... Bob wrote: << word on the street has it that Joni's already back in the studio doing her next project, orchestrating the following songs with added lyrical twists: 1. I Had a King of Kings 2. Tin Angel of the Lord 3. My Old Man - Jesus! 4. You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio that only plays bland Christian music 5. Free Man in Jerusalem 6. In France They Pass the Offering Plate 7. Otis & Mary Magdalena 8. Sex Kills, Jesus Saves 9. Urge For Going to Church 10. The Last Time I Saw Jesus >> LOLROTF! Here are a few I'd like to hear on Joni's new Gospel project: Conversation With Madonna Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Jesus Woman Of Heart, Mind & Spirit Help Me Lord Harry's House of Worship For Free Courtesy Of Gideon Down To You God Shades Of The Scarlet Harlot Two Grey Rooms In Hell A Strange Boy Is Saved The Wolf That Lives In Sheeps Clothing How Do You Stop An Abortion Night In The City Of Sin Wild Things Run Contrary To Christ ;~D ET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:32:35 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: rolling stoned anyone concerned about the review of Travelogue in Rolling Stone has only to peruse their archived reviews of her past work to see how idiotic their assessment of her work has been in the past. I just got through reading a few and boy! have they missed the boat! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:20:38 +0100 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... Bob's alternative songlist: > 1. I Had a King of Kings > 2. Tin Angel of the Lord > 3. My Old Man - Jesus! > 4. You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio that only plays bland Christian music > 5. Free Man in Jerusalem > 6. In France They Pass the Offering Plate > 7. Otis & Mary Magdalena > 8. Sex Kills, Jesus Saves > 9. Urge For Going to Church > 10. The Last Time I Saw Jesus >> > ET's list: > Conversation With Madonna > Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Jesus > Woman Of Heart, Mind & Spirit > Help Me Lord > Harry's House of Worship > For Free Courtesy Of Gideon > Down To You God > Shades Of The Scarlet Harlot > Two Grey Rooms In Hell > A Strange Boy Is Saved > The Wolf That Lives In Sheeps Clothing > How Do You Stop An Abortion > Night In The City Of Sin > Wild Things Run Contrary To Christ > > LMAO!!! (Jack had to translate the "LOLROTF" :) I'll add some suggestions for headlines for the NY Post... Joni Eats Madonna Last Chance Of Friendship Lost A Fist In The Sky Stormy Weather Between Joni And Madonna Don't Talk To Me - You're Too Dumb! Be Cool, Joni! Madonna interpreting Jonisongs... I'LL Be Your Off Night Backstreet My Secret Place Below The Waist Sex Kills So Why Am I alive? That Dream About The Runway And a statement from Joni... I'm Not To Blame - The Music Industry Is And last my wish for the future... Songs To Aging Joni Come ;-D Christina, the Danish ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:21:14 +0100 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... Bob's alternative songlist: > 1. I Had a King of Kings > 2. Tin Angel of the Lord > 3. My Old Man - Jesus! > 4. You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio that only plays bland Christian music > 5. Free Man in Jerusalem > 6. In France They Pass the Offering Plate > 7. Otis & Mary Magdalena > 8. Sex Kills, Jesus Saves > 9. Urge For Going to Church > 10. The Last Time I Saw Jesus >> > ET's list: > Conversation With Madonna > Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Jesus > Woman Of Heart, Mind & Spirit > Help Me Lord > Harry's House of Worship > For Free Courtesy Of Gideon > Down To You God > Shades Of The Scarlet Harlot > Two Grey Rooms In Hell > A Strange Boy Is Saved > The Wolf That Lives In Sheeps Clothing > How Do You Stop An Abortion > Night In The City Of Sin > Wild Things Run Contrary To Christ > > LMAO!!! (Jack had to translate the "LOLROTF" :) I'll add some suggestions for headlines for the NY Post... Joni Eats Madonna Last Chance Of Friendship Lost A Fist In The Sky Stormy Weather Between Joni And Madonna Don't Talk To Me - You're Too Dumb! Be Cool, Joni! Madonna interpreting Jonisongs... I'LL Be Your Off Night Backstreet My Secret Place Below The Waist Sex Kills So Why Am I alive? That Dream About The Runway And a statement from Joni... I'm Not To Blame - The Music Industry Is And last my wish for the future... Songs To Aging Joni Come ;-D Christina, the Danish ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:35:07 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Dawntreader from Travelogue I just listened to "Dawntreader" from Travelogue, and man! what a knockout! You could knock me over with a feather! It seemed completely timeless to me, suspended in that perfect place in art that just grabs you from any point in time. She could have written it yesterday. I hope if she does some interviews for this work she'll talk about what it's like to revisit her "ingenue" work as she's called it. I don't see much ingenue in that; just great, timeless beauty. I am reminded of when I saw her on the BSN tour and she played "Ludwig's Tune" and I remember wondering (right after I pulled myself up off the floor) how it must feel for her to revisit that piece -- was she just so proud of what a great piece of music she created even as a young woman. Pretty awe-inspiring. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 01:14:12 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: Article says Joni's calling it quits Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\) wrote: << Yeah! Go, Norma go! It's not like you'd put a vividly ripe vaginal symbol on your album cover or anything >> Are you referring to the Court & Spark cover symbol? Or do you see the same thing I do on the Mingus cover, accompanied by a guy with a flaccid penis? Is this an ink blot test that only true Joni fans can see? The big difference between the Mingus cover, the naked butt on For The Roses and the Hissing bikini shot is good taste. It's like the difference between Michaelangelo and Linda Lovelace. ET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 01:16:20 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: thinking of women hey- i'm not putting NoJoCo on this because even though it isn't directly joni content, it derives from the conversations of joni's representation (or lack thereof) in rolling stone magazine and other media outlets... and i just want to suggest that there are better ways to critique britney/madonna/christina a - both their music and their marketing - than labeling them as "sluts" and "whores" and "bimbos". my general rule is that if a disparaging word is gendered (ie: only is ever used to describe people of one gender), i avoid using it. it is disrespectful to women. ie: bimbo=assumption that women who use their sexuality are dumb and "easy"; "whore" and "slut" = promiscuous behavior is seen as negative in women which wouldn't necessarily be a problem except that it is lauded in men - aren't men who have lots of partners "studs"? there's a double standard for you. it is unfortunate that our societies are structured so that the thing that makes women "successful" more than anything else - and what is seen as the most appropriate role for women (who aren't domestics) is selling their bodies and sexuality. one's body/sex in exchange for independence and strength. its sad that although men's strength, independence and success are not tied to their sexuality and their bodies, women's are, traditionally... and as we can see both through the way britney/christina/etc are marketed AND through people's reactions to that marketing (eg: calling them "sluts" for how they choose to allow themselves to be marketed), we are still mired in those traditions. - -yael, once again atop soapbox. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:47:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni and Santana why i was just thinking about santana who also has a string of great albums but i can't recall the names at this moment... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:14:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni segment on PBS oh, coooool...! i have that on dvd !!!!...i bought it when henry came to town with his photos...what a nice guy...i haven't seen it yet cuz i don't yet have a DVD PLAYER !!! lol..asking santa for one this year... >>I found the name of the PBS show from last friday that had the brilliant Joni content: From TV GUIDE: Under the Covers Photographer Henry Diltz and artist Gary Burden<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:14:51 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Article says Joni's calling it quits thanks ken, i wondered if joni had said anything about either aimee or jonatha...i think her quote is a compliment? >>I don't know what Joan has to say about Jonatha, but about aimee she said "she dares to put the anxiety back in rock." ken<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:53:10 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #486 as I was watching CNBC this morning. Between imminent war with Iraq and news of the snipers, the news stream at the bottom of the screen announced that "singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell says her next album will be her last. Mitchell is disgusted with the music business, calling it a 'cesspool'". Really? Is that a joke or for real? Joni may not be "popular," but she can certainly generate headlines. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:58:54 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #486 - RS review >The critics should be able to be honest. Of course. But I suspect the reviewer isn't even capable of appreciating T'log in the first place. But perhaps that is Joni's dilemma, creating a work, that while lovely and distinctive, is perhaps only accessible to those who've been listening for years and already "get it." Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #341 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)