From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #337 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, November 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 337 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Travelogue [Michael Paz ] Re: Travelogue ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Speaking about bizarre links... ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ljc [Franklin Shea ] RE: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Travelogue ["kakki" ] Re: Speaking about bizarre links... ["kakki" ] Re: Joni segment on PBS ["kakki" ] Re: "all the guilty people..." [ewwt@juno.com] Re: Joni, Jane & Jesus [ewwt@juno.com] Early Recordings Remastered [David Sadowski ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:05:22 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Travelogue Just wanted to add my .02 on the new cd. I cannot wait to get the real thing in my hands. My deep thanks to my benefactor (you know who and WHAT you are!!!!) for filling me in with a copy. I will be standing in line on the 19th to get the real thing. Joni can do no wrong in mine eyes. What can I say?? I think she knows exactly what she is doing and believe she is the most amazing artist of our time. Some of the stand out trax for me are Refuge of The Roads-OMG the harp just kills me. Slouching and Sire-Songs like I liked before when they were first released but they have grown on me and they have grown up in these versions. Judgement and For the Roses-I just loved this album and these versions shed a whole new lite on their brilliance. I love all the songs but these are my faves so far. These are the ones that really do it for me from the first few listens. My feeling about the whole orch projects are that she is looking back on her work and making them grown up versions of the stellar pieces. I love listening to alternate versions of peoples work (either live or new studio versions) There is nothing like the original versions, but it is so special to be able to hear different takes on the artists version. The Hissing Demos was one of the most amazing times I have ever spent cause they were the infant versions of the songs that later changed in to what I am So familiar with now. One thing that I have found about HER music is that I don't always like every song right away, which is a good thing cause then I have the future to look forward to, when the songs finally do HIT me. As far as her rants. Gawd she always just kills me with her comments to the press, esp. about the industry. As far as I am concerned she told no lies here and I agree with her on so many levels. It also gives me hope that maybe Les and Jim will be the head to the new Joni Label that will do things the right way that she deserves so much. BTW I am available to assist with production and promotion (and I can leave my pitch corrector in the box). Best Paz (so sleepy now) P.S. I got George Harrison's new one in the mail a few days ago and it is really good. It also will be released on the 19th and I highly recommend it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:34:28 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Travelogue Wow. You've come a loooong way from where you were after seeing the BSN tour in LA. I recall that "hoping they work the bugs out of the arrangements" and "I'm not sure if all of the dissonance I was hearing was intended" were the paraphrased memories. Lama Kakki said, >>>>>>>>>>I've heard it a few times now in its entirety. If you are someone who has listened to Joni since STAS and been in love with all or part of her music since then you will absolutely fall in love with Travelogue. It's hard for me to even describe the way it affects me. For a long time Joni fan it will be like experiencing an exquisite and magical reincarnation of all those first listens long ago. The orchestration IMO is a huge part of its magic. Brilliant and original. Kakki>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:34:34 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... Wow! It's so good to have Joni True Intent revealed to me, at last. Seriously though, I have two bits of advice. Bit #1: About that link- don't bother. It doesn't live up to Muller's normal standards: no hooker content. Bit #2: All right-thinking Joni fans that we are the only ones who could possibly "get" her true intent, right? Uhhhhh, no? Lama ps, wait a minute. Joni also uses the phrase "holy wine" in "A Case Of You"........ > > http://users.motion.net/debbie58/joni02.htm > > Quote: > > "The great turning point of the CD is A CASE OF YOU. With Christian > symbolism dripping all over the lyric, Mitchell becomes a kind of latter-day > Mary Magdalene, from whom she receives wise advice: "Go to Him! Be with Him! > But be prepared to bleed!" " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:59:45 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: travelog surprise p.s. Please stop slamming Joni after listening to those shitty mp3 files on your computer speakers! If i wait one more minute I will erase this so I am pressing the "send now" button.......... This is one reason why I have not plugged into the internet travelog. Not only am I the type that wants to know if a baby is a boy or a girl only after its born, but I know most of the music I listen to on my computer sounds horrible. I just ran into the CD cover by mistake the other day and now I have one less surprise. I want to be completely overwhelmed by the potential greatness of this effort. Hopefully it will be just that. Great! Is this CD going to be enhanced with visuals? Will _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:17:17 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: ljc Franklin here AGAIN - AAAARRRRRGGGG I don't get the JM orchestral stuff at all. Wow, it's like a parody or something... (easy now gang - just an opinion from a "Blue" C&S" lover). Didn't someone else already ask, "what was she thinking?" I think so, so I won't. Thanks for the post on the "Post" page 6. I love Joni's brutal honesty. She doesn't pander to anybody, I can tell. Particularly the poodles of popular "culture". The idea that their status allows them immunity from criticism, particularly of the highly insightful and perceptive variety, is exactly what has kept the airwaves, TV channels polluted with so much worthless garbage for so long. (Oh, we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings - particularly an artist, er, I mean celebrity. You know how fragile they can be.) If more people insisted on quality as opposed to acquiescing to incessant, hammering, relentless "marketing", payola scams etc, there just might be another cultural revolution. The trouble is that this has gone on for so long that most of the "masses" no longer have any idea what real culture is. As L.A. Cowboy said in an interview: "Mediocrity is the bane of the masses". BTY: Did I read someone (Bree...) use the term mature and Madonna in the same sentence? Now THAT'S a keeper!! Thank you so much. I collect excellent oxymorons. Forever yours, Franklin NP - you guessed it! "Conspiracy Theory" song by Steve Earle - excellent. http://www.mp3.com/steveearle My only question as I listen is, "does this have some truth in it, or is it just HIS theory?" lol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:18:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! does anybody have the full text or can quote by heart? apparently, you have to BUY the text from the NY post if you want to read it. the nerve. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:21:15 -0500 From: "greenstudio" Subject: thanks hey y'all I'm usually a lurker. I'm an painter/writer up in Canada. I don't live among Joniphiles and I read the list like a daily soap for a special interest group; I realized today I've been doing so for over a year now, a year full of head spinning changes for me personally, during which, daily, there was ... this thread running. I'd like to introduce myself, thank everyone and slip back into lurkdom. Take care. http://www3.sympatico.ca/greenstudio/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:25:10 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Travelogue Lama, I hope this is your sly humor! But just in case, you know I am probably one of the 1% who traditionally have always raved about anything Joni does. I swooned about the BSN tour for days, and do believe I have collected the entire set of tour cds! Kakki, used to be called "sychophant" in earlier jmdl daze heeheehee > Wow. You've come a loooong way from where you were after seeing the BSN > tour in LA. I recall that "hoping they work the bugs out of the > arrangements" and "I'm not sure if all of the dissonance I was hearing was > intended" were the paraphrased memories. > > Lama > > > > Kakki said, > >>>>>>>>>>I've heard it a few times now in its entirety. If you are someone > who has > listened to Joni since STAS and been in love with all or part of her music > since then you will absolutely fall in love with Travelogue. It's hard for > me to even describe the way it affects me. For a long time Joni fan it will > be like experiencing an exquisite and magical reincarnation of all those > first listens long ago. The orchestration IMO is a huge part of its magic. > Brilliant and original. > > Kakki>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:08:15 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... I agree, it's gross to behold when someone wants to exclusively claim or subvert Joni's words and music for their own poltico/religious/ideological bent. Goes back to my argument as to why she doesn't want to let people label (at least of her own accord). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:17:32 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni segment on PBS Ken, Thanks so much for your review. I have such an admiration for him and wish I could have caught this ;-( > It occurred to me that she really must have felt frustrated as she outgrew her peers, choosing > to focus on her art and passion and leave the drunken revelry behind. I think you are exactly right and she and others have alluded to it, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:11:26 -0500 From: ewwt@juno.com Subject: Re: "all the guilty people..." Relayer211@aol.com wrote: << "All the guilty people,he said,they've all seen the stain on their daily bread,on their christian name I've cleared my self I sacrificed my blues And you can complete me And I complete you" -Court and Spark I've been thinking about these lyrics.any ideas about what they mean? >> Pure Gospel! But I hear "and you could complete me I'd complete you." It's all about the Spark....... F**k the Court! Most interesting to me is "but I couldn't let go of LA city of the fallen angels." ET NP: Down To You ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:28:37 -0500 From: ewwt@juno.com Subject: Re: Joni, Jane & Jesus Hell wrote: << I don't know, I kind of like: "The CD begins with the bliss of her original success in the Sixties. Apparently, whatever entity ran the universe blessed her with talent, brilliance, beauty and a ruthless business sense. However, since Marxist "Revolutionaries" such as Joan Baez, Bob Dylan and John Lennon dominated that period, Mitchell was swept into a vortex that was entirely godless, thankless, self-pitying, self-entitled and in fact, almost psychotic." Thank god she managed to crawl away from that vortex of psychosis! This is almost funnier that the mental image of Bob Murphy in gold lame! >> All of the above is the funniest damn thing I've contemplated in months! I suspect that Marcel wrote this in drag..... ;~* ET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:18:22 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Early Recordings Remastered When I joined this group, I arranged a few trades for early JM material. I recently spent several hours working four of these shows over using a wave editor. I eliminated unnecessary gaps and silences between some tracks, reduced tape hiss on some, and brought the volume up to normal CD standards. I also made new cover artwork for these shows (UK 9/67, MA 1-4-68, BBC '70, BBC 10-29-70 w/James Taylor). I just sent off copies of these four shows to Bob Muller and Jerry Notaro, but there is one other person who sent me some discs whose name I have lost. If you were this person, please contact me off-list. I will send you these as well, plus the other shows we must've arranged to trade. These are great recordings and I am very pleased to have them. Sorry it's taken so long to work on them, but I probably spent ten or twelve hours working over these four recordings to make them sound better. Thanks. - -Dave ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #337 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)