From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #332 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 332 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Rachel Z Trio - "Moon At The Window" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Travelogue question (again)... Grammy's ["Brenda" ] Travelogue or Travelogue ["Happy The Man" ] can I say, Joni vs Em? [vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:33:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Rachel Z Trio - "Moon At The Window" In a message dated 11/8/2002 4:25:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, joe.farrell@ukonline.co.uk writes: > NP: Moon At The Window Rachel Z ( really like her take on Joni's stuff) > I'll piggyback onto what you're saying, Joe...what a BIG surprise this one turned out to be! While I liked the Steve Klink cd, THIS one betters it. Like Jerry said, Rachel's currently playing on Peter Gabriel's tour, so you know she's no slouch. And this is one COOL trio...besides Rachel Z on the keys, you've got Patricia Des Lauriers on bass & the Brian Blade-like Bobbie Rae on drums. All 3 of these musicians are outstanding and really work well together. There's never a doubt as to which Joni song is being interpreted, but Rachel throws in some of those "weird minor chords" and invents some very creative mini-riffs throughout. Her solos are very accessible, and she always returns to the melodic line so you stay anchored with the song at hand. And she gives her rhythm section to flex its muscles as well. One of the many things I like about this cd is that Rachel finds some nice grooves in rarely-done compositions like Ladies Man, Moon At The Window, & Lakota. It's exciting to me that musicians are picking up on and expanding on Joni's 80's work. And there is still so much fertile ground for exploration! (Or would that be "Myrtle" ground?) ;~) Even her takes on BSN, Carey, River, Circle Game are fresh & original. (The cd is subtitled "Piano impressions of Joni") Anyway, I can honestly say that I love every song on the CD, and highly recommend it to Joni fans. Hey, pick it up to help you through the wait to November 19! You can hear some samples on the cdnow site: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=749554027/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album. html/ArtistID=RACHEL+Z/ITEMID=1597247 Bob, VP of covers NP: Rachel Z Trio, "Ladies Man" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:36:43 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Travelogue question (again)... Grammy's On 8 Nov 2002 at 20:05, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/8/2002 5:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > FMYFL@aol.com writes: > > > Someone???? > > > > > > You're right Jimmy, it won't be eligible for a Grammy until 2004. I > don't know if that's true, but at least now you have a resonse! :~) > You're right, Bob. The cutoff is September 30th. B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:45:43 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #331 I like what I've heard so far - - but I do have to admit I thought Woodstock might have fit nicely on the soundtrack for Cleopatra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:56:19 EST From: Chihuahua50@aol.com Subject: Travelogue Call me old-fashioned, but I'm waiting to hear Travelogue until I buy the CD. It will be a holy day. I will come home, turn the phone off, turn off all the lights, light a candle, and sit and listen in the dark. Maybe I won't like it. Maybe it will be heaven. Either way I know that eventually, with a little luck and time, I'll catch up with Joni. I remember the first time I heard For the Roses. I didn't like it. It was a friend's copy and I didn't even buy my own copy until many years later. Now it's my second favorite CD by Joni. (Hejira being first.) I owned Paprika Plains for years and never listened to it. Now it's one of my favorites. I hope I will immediately love Travelogue. But if I don't, that's okay. I'll just think of it as long, slow foreplay. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:52:33 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Some Up and Coming Joni Fans? What a wonderful post!! It is times like this that I wished I had children. But then again..the diapers...terrible two's... I think they did.. I just think they did!! Thanks for sharing. Bree >Do you think they get it?? Could it be so?? Well, they once seemed to get >along for about 24 hours and then that all fell apart, so I won't hold my >breath. It's a glimmer, though, and I'll take a glimmer. Glimmer is good. > >Musing, >Lindsay _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:50:59 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Travelogue question (again) > You're right Jimmy, it won't be eligible for a Grammy until 2004. I don't > know if that's true, but at least now you have a resonse! :~) I think if the proper paperwork was already filled out and sent to NARAS in advance then it may indeed be eligible for the coming grammy awards. But I don't know if that is the case or when the deadline is. Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:21:08 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Travelogue - Joni doesn't need instruction (imo) > Wish you all could have seen her...Joni was so excited in Toronto last year when she shared the samplings/demos. It was wonderful to be there, to witness her exuberance. Let's take it easy on her and perhaps take a more gentle approach to this new body of work...and be thankful that it's here at all. I couldn't agree with you more, Mags. One of the dangers of being on this list as I have discovered with the releases of 'Hits', 'Misses', 'Taming the Tiger', 'Both Sides Now' and now 'Travelogue' is that you hear so much about the new cd before it is actually released that some of the joy of discovery is taken out of it for you. Somebody always gets ahold of advance copies and being the curious beasts, hungry for anything new from Joni that we are, we of course want to know about it. And now we have access to these tracks on the web. So some people seem to have their minds made up before the record is even out and of course they have every right to express their opinions and of course most of us will read what they have to say. And some of us will wish we hadn't. Blair wrote: I doubt Joni wanted this record to be the next best thing to Debussy, or Glass, or Edgar Varese, but to be only but true to what she wants it to be. Well said, Blair. I don't think Joni envisions 'Travelogue' as a great new compositional piece to be added to the catalogue of the world's great classical music. Not by any stretch of the imagination. And Christopher wrote: I DON'T THINK JONI WAS NECESSARILY TRYING TO MAKE ANY SORT OF 'NEW STATEMENT' BY RECORDING TRAVELOGUE. And again I think you're right on, Christopher! I don't think Joni was trying to record a great, new, innovative classical or jazz or folk or anything else album. My opinion is that mostly what she wanted was a setting in which to exercise her chops as an interpretive singer. In this case, to interpret (or re-interpret) her own work. She said in some interview that as her songs got wordier, her focus as a singer was to get all the words out and that she didn't have much room to play around with bending notes or letting her voice 'float' as I believe she put it. I also think that she views 'Travelogue' as a chance to flesh out musical ideas that she may not have been able to give full voice to when she first recorded the songs or that occurred to her some time after the first recordings. And I'm sure as she went through her catalogue to choose the material for 'Travelogue', she started to hear new things in her head when she re-visited some of her songs. I wonder how much input she had with Mendoza on the arrangements? We know that in the past she has instructed musicians by humming or singing or giving visual descriptions of what she wanted them to play. Finally, as I said before, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I really have very little patience with comments about what Joni did wrong or what she should have done or done differently. It's Joni's record. Maybe she'll call you up and have you help her out the next time she records if she really wants to know what she should or should not do. My advice is don't hold your breath waiting for the phone to ring. Joni knows what she wants her music to sound like, she knows who to hire to get it and she knows how to get it out of them. Sure you can say you don't like it and you can say why. But that's your take on it, not Joni's. It's her vision. It's her record. I'm sure she sometimes listens to one of her albums or songs at a later date and thinks 'Gosh, I could have done this here! Why didn't I think of that then?' But in the long run, I doubt that she has many regrets about her body of work or feels that she made horrible mistakes in creating it. And if as long as Joni's satisfied that it's what she wanted, I'm satisfied. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:24:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Some Up and Coming Joni Fans? lindsay, wow...yes, more than just a glimmer...keep playing that album for them...very very sweet! stas is my new favoritest album these days... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:58:09 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Travelogue or Travelogue Thanksgiving in Tennesee! So good the album comes out before we go. The boys are already fighting over who is going to sit where who is going to listen to what or watch what. I was able to be the music dictator when they were young and thought dad's music was still cool. We all agreed to burn two CD's each for the trip. Ah a 160 minutes of Dad music; joni, toad the wet (back together), neil or crowded, Peter the great up, Diana crawl towards me, etc. And 160 minutes of punk and 160 minutes of classic alternative scary chic music and 160 minutes of glam country (if I hear a dixie landsliding chick one more time). I was so looking forward what might be the last road trip together that I actually compromised. Now if I can just figure out away to sleep while the others drive and listen. the joni files have been great to listen too. I had another favorite singer songwriter who died a few years back. " we don't know what we got till it's gone". I would give anything if Rich would have made an album like this. I don't critique to much, different song make different moods. I remember hearing Both Sides Now before it was released on Jody Denberg's show on KGSR in Austin (he did a great job on her birthday too) the Sunday night before it was released I remember sitting in my car in the drive way when the song came on. He had dedicated the song to Wally before playing it. The emotion, I had not wept like that in years. Somewhere on this album each song will find the right place at the right time and each moment will be serendipitous. One of my favorite glovearms is "Just Ice" she tells stories before songs that fill in the framework of the picture. How she tuned the guitar to ocean sounds for one and her arguement with her mother for another. Basically the rest of the story. Travelogue will be good. It will hit just when I will need it.... Peace, Craig PS: Sanity with three teenage boys in a SUV for 16 hours now that is corned beef re hash. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 01:52:31 -0500 From: vince Subject: can I say, Joni vs Em? Since there have been people who have suggested that some of us are "trashing" this cd by what we have heard on the sound clips - do, not trashing. Less than overwhelmed, at least I am. And I would never think that even Joni blowing her nose was worthwhile - hell, no one is that damned good - Driving home from 8 Mile, I was thinking about how Detroit and the connections between Joni and Eminem, one who developed her talent in Detroit and one who developed his talent in Detroit and what the difference is between the music that I heard today, Joni's and Em's, and I got to be thinking that Joni needs to spend a little more time in Detroit. I think she is too used to her clean white linens and needs to spend a little more time scrambling down in the street - and that others will differ with me, that is way cool because the value of this community is the 800+ insights, not any one person's opinion. Vince ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #332 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)