From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #331 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 331 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: November 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Travelogue - Tune A Day [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] OUR Original Visual Concept ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Nonesuch [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Celebrating Joni's birthday [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Corned Beef Re-hash ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: Corned Beef Re-hash ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] RE: Corned Beef Re-hash [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: Travelogue - Tune A Day [Rusty10113@aol.com] Rachel Z [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Corned Beef Re-hash [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Travelogue - Tune A Day [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Corned Beef Re-hash ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! [Murphycopy@aol.com] Corned Beef? C'mon Kids! ["Christopher Treacy" ] Fwd: Meanie! Joni Mitchell Talks Trash [WARREN901@aol.com] travelogue ["joe farrell" ] Travelogue - First Impression [Merk54@aol.com] buzztone.com preview alternative ["J. G." ] Today in History: November 7 ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni's comments about Letterman ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Travelogue - First Impression [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Kate's tribute ["J. G." ] Re: Corned Beef? C'mon Kids! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #469 - Letterman & Amelia [BRYAN8847@aol.com] re: nonesuch ["joe farrell" ] Premature Ejaculations ["jeff t." ] [none] [Franklin Shea ] [none] [Franklin Shea ] Re: N/A ["Lori Fye" ] Travelogue question (again) [FMYFL@aol.com] Smiling in Cyberspace [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Sound files location and use UPDATE [colin ] Re:Amelia [Gertus@aol.com] Corned Beef Re-hash ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Corned Beef Re-hash ["Kate Bennett" ] That girl is travel drained ["William" ] Re: Premature Ejaculations [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Travelogue question (again) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Some Up and Coming Joni Fans? [Lindsay Moon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 03:12:48 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 8 1996: Joni was taped for an appearance on the Rosie O'Donnell Show in New York City. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:23:46 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Travelogue - Tune A Day Hey Gang I was listening to Otis & Marlena and I LOVE THIS!!!! It sounds kinda baroque, much like chamber music, regal and humorous. Still waiting for the 18th (as play.com have promised) but wondering whether that will be the special edition (I doubt it but ya never know) Heard Amelia and that was a much more straightforward symphonic interpretation, but I still love it. Raffaele, which magazine did you see the advert in? Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:26:08 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Celebrating Joni's birthday Just got home a bit ago from Kate Bennett's 2nd annual tribute to Joni at Soho in Santa Barbara and fundraiser for music programs in the local schools. It was really fantastic and Kate and Jeff did a superb job. We had our first hard pouring rain here in it seems like years and so it was a challenge getting there and I missed the first hour (which included Yael and Jim Messina!! argh). Probably before tonight Kate was the almost the only one who knew Messina produced Joni's first demo. (Not Crosby!). I met up with Coyote Rick and Yael and Messina had just left their table. He did not perform but told the story of producing the demo and working with her. Many of the top Santa Barbara singer-songwriters performed and, of course, Kate even got Jeff Pevar there, too! The place was absolutely jam-packed but it was good to see such a turn-out on a stormy night. The songs spanned all of Joni's periods and each were introduced with a reading by Kate. Some standouts for me were Anita Bayley singing "Electricity" and "For the Roses" absolutely beautifully and perfectly note for note like the original, Karen Thurber, who reminded me so much of Marian in her brilliant precision and perfection on "Good Bye Pork Pie Hat," and then OMG Marcella and George Quirin with friends doing a "Centerpiece" that was part Tuck & Patti, part Manhattan Transfer and part early Annie Ross. OMG. I'd noticed George earlier sitting in on dulcimer on "All I Want" and I thought to myself "he's (our) Victor!" When he later played acoustic guitar (try to imagine this for that song) on "Centerpiece" better than Tuck, I again thought "Victor." When I raved to him after the show, he was so humble and said he'd just learned it today, I knew it he was truly our local "Victor"! ;-) He and his wife Marcella have a CD called "Clarity" on sale at Borders. Highly recommend checking them out. The performances tonight were taped and I hope there will be a forthcoming CD. Next year I hope more of the jmdlers can make it. Major kudos to Kate for an outstanding night! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 08:29:09 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: OUR Original Visual Concept I was wondering if anyone out there at one point or another in their life heard a record on the radio or at someone's house loved it and eventually bought it. BUt before you had purhcased it, you had no idea what the singer looked like. SO, in your head you created you own little private visualization. I was inspired by someone who wrote an article about being 6 years old and falling in love with "What's Love Got To Do with it" by Tina Turner. This person did not have MTV, nor was he old enough to recall what Tina Turner looked like. This person came up with the idea that She was this tall, Sinewy, NOrdic Goddess with Golden hair. I thought the idea of posing this question to the list was a good one. SO, Have any of you created an image in your head of what your singer/performer looked like based on what they sounded like? Blair :) NP: "How Am I Different?" Aimee MAnn _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:10:38 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Nonesuch David Marine wrote: > Some gems like "The Dawntreader" are > nothing short of spectacular. > I have to agree with David. The Dawntreader has grown on me as being the > stellar track.. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:24:42 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Celebrating Joni's birthday Damn, Kakki. You get to go to everything! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:53:50 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Sound files location and use UPDATE Hi there, seems that the folks who run the website with the Flash sound files are reading this here, too. The directory browsing has been disabled :)) But the files are still all there, you just have to know the file names :) For those of you who didn't have the time to grab the previews so far, here are the complete file paths: http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/amelie.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/borderline.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/cherokee.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/chinesecafe.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/circlegame.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/dawntreader.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/hejira.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/lasttime.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/love.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/otisandmarlena.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/refugeofroads.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/slouchingtowards.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/woodstock.swf http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/youdream.swf As I wrote earlier, these files are in Flash format. I found this a little inconvenient to handle as there is no player with start/stop buttons etc. So I searched for a tool that can extract sound from a Flash file. I found a freeware program (for Windows) called SWF Extractor which you can get from http://www.19.5degs.com/downloads.php You can then extract the embedded mp3 files from the swf files :)))) The mp3s then can be nicely played in Winamp etc. The mp3s are in 22050Hz Mono only but sound pretty cool if you turn up the volume a bit. The sound is the same as in the swf file, but of course the handling is much better with the mp3 version. Then I looked for a Winamp skin that would give me an optical impression of an old radio - I thought that would fit the simple sound quality and the songs as such. I dug out one from http://turnerclassicmovies.com/FunStuff/VideoSkins/0,13207,11962,00.html Feel free to email me if you have any questions. Enjoy! moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:42:53 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Corned Beef Re-hash I tell Amelia, it was just a false alarm. Go on, kill me, but as a lover of Joni and of classical and operatic (and jazz and folk etc etc) music, I was not 'blown away' by the orchestration on Amelia which I heard today. It wasn't Mantovanni but it wasn't Adams or Glass either. What am I saying? I dunno. Is is great art? Is Mendozza a master...I doubt it so far...do I wanna be wrong...u betcha! Please make the other tracks spine tinglingly good. I'm praying for some insight on the other tracks. I want the musicians to add something meaningful ....am I an old moan...almost certainly... but as Joni calls herself a painter and not an artist, IMHO Mendozza is a musical furnisher not a great orchestrator. (could I do any better I ask myself...lol) . Time to go home and let the bile out somewhere else..Sorry folks..I hope if she does more of this kinda thing, she teams up with someone else Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:52:12 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: Corned Beef Re-hash Gordon wrote: I tell Amelia, it was just a false alarm. From the tracks I heard, I am blown away by nothing and have not been able to discern any new musical statement being made by this album. At my most cynical, it is like the release of U2's Greatest Hits, just in time for Christmas gift giving. And this album is kind of a greatest hits of Joni thing. Hell yes I am buying it - I had it preordered a long time ago - but I wonder what is the real purpose here, what is supposed to blow me away, what is the new thing, why? I am aching to hear new Joni material. And as a seasons ticket holder to the opera and great lover of classical music, I am not impressed by what sounds to me more typical overblown orchestrations. Kind of like the Hollywood Sgrings playing Beatles songs, except in this album we have Joni singing. Damn I tried to like what I heard on the links, tried real hard, and maybe when I play the album I will hear it differently. I will now duck from the angry responses that I will get. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:52:29 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: Corned Beef Re-hash Gordon wrote: I tell Amelia, it was just a false alarm. From the tracks I heard, I am blown away by nothing and have not been able to discern any new musical statement being made by this album. At my most cynical, it is like the release of U2's Greatest Hits, just in time for Christmas gift giving. And this album is kind of a greatest hits of Joni thing. Hell yes I am buying it - I had it preordered a long time ago - but I wonder what is the real purpose here, what is supposed to blow me away, what is the new thing, why? I am aching to hear new Joni material. And as a seasons ticket holder to the opera and great lover of classical music, I am not impressed by what sounds to me more typical overblown orchestrations. Kind of like the Hollywood Sgrings playing Beatles songs, except in this album we have Joni singing. Damn I tried to like what I heard on the links, tried real hard, and maybe when I play the album I will hear it differently. I will now duck from the angry responses that I will get. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:09:02 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Corned Beef Re-hash I'm very much afraid that these are impressions i share on the subject of Travelogue based on what i've heard from these networked music files. i'm ready to go on at length about where i think this has gone wrong but am going to wait to hear the CD. Corny, Beefed-up on orc-castration and very much a re-hash. les (london and desparate to be proved wrong with this) - -----Original Message----- From: Lavieri, Vince [185776] [mailto:revrvl@chartermi.net] Subject: Re: Corned Beef Re-hash Gordon wrote: I tell Amelia, it was just a false alarm. From the tracks I heard, I am blown away by nothing and have not been able to discern any new musical statement being made by this album. Damn I tried to like what I heard on the links, tried real hard, and maybe when I play the album I will hear it differently. I will now duck from the angry responses that I will get. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:51:16 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue - Tune A Day Hi all, gotta say, I'm loving Amelia, it's beautiful and fabulous fun to hear Joni cover herself, so many years after the original, I just hope the rest of Travelogue is this good... so, who's heard it from start to finish? cmon gang, Im dying to hear... and yes, I'm dismissing the Rolling Stone review as irrelevant... MR Happy New Yorker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:55:18 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Rachel Z Have to give a BIG thumbs up for The Rachel Z Trio's cd Moon at the Window. It is dazzling. And she is opening for Peter Gabriel on his upcoming 20 city tour. Aren't many trios around doing that! Thanks to our own Music Man Here In River City, Bob Muller for turning me on to it. Jerry np Rachel Z Trio - Chinese Cafe ( listen to this arrangement, Mr. Mendoza) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Corned Beef Re-hash But Gordon help me here ... How do You really feel about this version of Amelia! LOL! Seriously I appreciate hearing a very unbiased non patronizing opinion. As a lover of jazz - -especially jazz divas, while I enjoy Joni's renditions - I haven't really thought of her as a major song stylist in that area - she hasn't blown me away! AND I Absolutley believe who you work & that chemistry is paramount. This seems elementry but I think often artists get comfortable with eachother and mistake that for chemistry. I do hope Joni works on style developement and regaining some strength & power. I happen to know that both Cyndi Lauper and Phoebe Snow use a voice coach, and the same one as a matter of fact, or did, ... Wonder if Joni has considered this, if she is not to busy "wrestling with her ego!" Peace, Susan - --- Gordon Mackie wrote: > I tell Amelia, it was just a false alarm. > > Go on, kill me, but as a lover of Joni and of classical and operatic > (and jazz and folk etc etc) music, I was not 'blown away' by the > orchestration on Amelia which I heard today. It wasn't Mantovanni but > it wasn't Adams or Glass either. What am I saying? I dunno. Is is > great art? Is Mendozza a master...I doubt it so far...do I wanna be > wrong...u betcha! Please make the other tracks spine tinglingly good. > > I'm praying for some insight on the other tracks. I want the > musicians to add something meaningful ....am I an old moan...almost > certainly... but as Joni calls herself a painter and not an artist, > IMHO Mendozza is a musical furnisher not a great orchestrator. (could > I do any better I ask myself...lol) . Time to go home and let the > bile out somewhere else..Sorry folks..I hope if she does more of this > kinda thing, she teams up with someone else > > Gordon U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:07:21 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue - Tune A Day In a message dated 11/8/2002 12:51:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rusty10113 writes: > so, who's heard it from start to finish? cmon > gang, Im dying to hear... If you really love that Amelia, you're in for a GREAT treat. I've played it all the way through 3 times since I got it yesterday, and there are some hits and misses to be sure. I am going to dwell on the stuff that I like at this point rather than be a negative nelly about it. I'll only say that there is some frustration when you hear glimpses at what might have been with some of these tracks. And I don't want to dampen the enthusiasm & surprise for those who haven't heard it. I too am clamoring for NEW Joni, but when you look at it she has given us 4 cd's in as many years, so while we wait for her musical muse to return at least we have some new stuff to listen to. Bob NP: Van, "Caravan" (Last Waltz) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:33:04 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Corned Beef Re-hash I know Both Sides NOw got similar flack that the orchestrations were "syrupy" or "overdone" but honestly they fit the subject material. And in concert all the covers done, "Hejira" "for the Roses" "Be Cool" and others were well adapted. I am not sure how mucht those songs will differ on record. HOnestly, I don't think this record was made to Blow ANyone away. I see it as a new introduction, a reinterpretation of familiar songs of past. Maybe I enjoy them, because I am a romantic type.. I have no clue if that has anything to do with it. I doubt Joni wanted this record to be the next best thing to Debussy, or Glass, or Edgar Varese, but to be only but true to what she wants it to be. Who knows? when interviews come out we'll see what she'll have to say. Blair NP: "Up on the Roof"-Laura Nyro >Hell yes I am buying it - I had it preordered a long time >ago - but I wonder what is the real purpose here, what is >supposed to blow me away, what is the new thing, why? > >I am aching to hear new Joni material. > >And as a seasons ticket holder to the opera and great lover >of classical music, I am not impressed by what sounds to me >more typical overblown orchestrations. Kind of like the >Hollywood Sgrings playing Beatles songs, except in this >album we have Joni singing. > >Damn I tried to like what I heard on the links, tried real >hard, and maybe when I play the album I will hear it >differently. > >I will now duck from the angry responses that I will get. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:39:47 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! I guess we all screwed up when we didn't give Joni what she really needs for her birthday: an anger management course. Although I am not a huge fan of Madonna, I do think she is a great example of someone who has absolutely made the most of what little talent she has, in addition to being a very smart businesswoman and a PR genius. (And a Joni fan, for chrissakes.) What's more, I have great respect for David Letterman. He always makes me laugh and is just about the only reason I turn on my TV. (And incidentally, I think he has truly seemed awestruck whenever Joni has appeared on his show, which will probably never happen again after this latest bitter outburst.) If Joni really wants to watch musicians being interviewed, there are other shows on the tube -- such as the stuff you find on VH1 or MTV -- that cater to that. If musicians and singers generally made interesting interview subjects, late night TV would have picked up on that years ago and they wouldn't all be following the same format of putting musical acts at the end of their shows. Call me crazy, but I think musical acts are at their most entertaining when they're making music. Joni should get over being "ashamed to be in the music business" and start thinking about the hurtful things she says about people who admire her. God, I can only imagine what she would think of someone who takes the time to respond to one of her outbursts by posting to this list. -- Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:46:24 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Corned Beef? C'mon Kids! My word, y'all are so ready to bury this fuckin' project before it's even gone retail. However vulgar the analogy, I will admit that Joni could walk into the vocal booth, take a dump, and issue it with a scratch and sniff patch and I'd probably be blown away and give it five stars. That said, I just want to make clear that I DON'T THINK JONI WAS NECESSARILY TRYING TO MAKE ANY SORT OF 'NEW STATEMENT' BY RECORDING TRAVELOGUE. Moreover, I think she merely was looking to put a new spin on some of the older material she feels 'still holds up'. 'New Spin' and 'New Statement' are 2 different things entirely, so 'Travelogue' will either excite or disappoint depending on the expectations YOU bring to it...as far as I'm concerned, Joni, Vince and the rest of the gang did their part marvelously. With JM's feelings about the industry, I'm surprised she bothered to finish out her contract at all, and I think we're lucky to see a new release , period paragraph! On tour for BSN, she said that 'we had so much fun doing this project, we decided to do another one'. Don't disappoint Joni by being shortsighted about her new CD. -Chris, enjoying my advance of Travelogue to the fullest, save 'Woodstock,' 'Bethlehem,' & 'Sex Kills', and even those are slowly growing on me. - --- Christopher Treacy - --- ctreacy1889@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:06:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Nonesuch David Marine wrote: > Some gems like "The Dawntreader" are > nothing short of spectacular. and then Jerry wrote: > I have to agree with David. The Dawntreader has grown on me as being the > stellar track.. and now me: i heard slouching toward bethlehem yesterday on the radio and the arrangement is fantastic, imho. I am grateful that Joni has given us the gift of two CDs here and now. I admire her for doing covers of her own work...revisiting, playing , mixing old with new ideas/approach. of course these are not going to be exactly like the former renditions. She's grown, she's changed and no, her voice is not the *same*. Who's is?? I support her project completely and wish her the very best with it. Wish you all could have seen her...Joni was so excited in Toronto last year when she shared the samplings/demos. It was wonderful to be there, to witness her exuberance. Let's take it easy on her and perhaps take a more gentle approach to this new body of work...and be thankful that it's here at all. mags, feeling particularly blessed today . You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:14:09 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Meanie! Joni Mitchell Talks Trash Return-path: From: Warrenkeith91354@cs.com Full-name: Warrenkeith91354 Message-ID: <146.2456e4a.2afd63b2@cs.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:00:02 EST Subject: Meanie! Joni Mitchell Talks Trash To: WARREN901@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 122 hey gang ! thought you might enjoy this item from compuserve... Meanie! Joni Mitchell Talks Trash By Cathryn Conroy, CompuServe News Editor Here's the big takeaway from Joni Mitchell's bombshell interview with W magazine: She can't stand Madonna. New York Post Page Six gossip columnist Richard Johnson got an advance copy of the interview in which sweet Joni gets nasty. Real nasty. "Madonna has knocked the importance of talent out of the arena," Mitchell said in the W interview. "She's manufactured. She's made a lot of money and become the biggest star in the world by hiring the right people." Joni also doesn't much care for David Letterman, saying: "Letterman treats musicians like the armpit of the [entertainment] industry. He tags you on at the end [of his television show], never talks to you--while he talks to the dimmest actress." Page Six contacted the representatives of both Madonna and Dave to find out what they think, and they both said the exact same thing: "The feeling isn't mutual." Joni is on a rampage. She says she's leaving the music industry forever because the "business is repugnant to me" and "most corrupt." She DOES like David Geffen, whom she described as "almost like my mother...I'm fond of David. Though I don't know why." She accuses pop singers today of cheating. "The artists don't have to play anything. They can cheat, buy songs, and put their name on them, so they can build the illusion that they are creative," Joni told W. noticing increasing joni press, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:55:11 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: travelogue I loved the new version of 'Otis and Marlena' previewed on Nonesuch site.It is a favourite of mine anyway and this new rendition really works, i particularly like the fact that she has kept the drum roll on the break of the chorus/hook it gives it a link back to the original version. Wasn't sure about listening to the album on the site,sort of wanted to wait for the album to arrive, but i just couldn't resist. Glad i listened though. In a book entitled 'A Firing Offence' by David Ignatius he describes one of the female characters as 'looking like Joni Mitchell'. I think he means beautiful. Hope you had a great day yesterday Joni,with lots more to come. Joe. NP: Moon At The Window Rachel Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:31:20 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Travelogue - First Impression I decided last night to celebrate Joni's birthday by listening to several of the new tracks from Travelogue (thanks, Moni!). I decided to listen to the songs in the sequence that Joni placed them on the CD. As such, I listened to Otis and Marlena through Slouching Towards Bethlehem. My first impressions were mostly favorable. Of the songs I listened to, You Dream Flat Tires was the biggest surprise. Joni has really transformed this song into a little gem. As far as the orchestration goes, I think this is a major improvement over BSN. The arrangements seem much more adventurous and diverse, Though I was a little disappointed with Amelia. Maybe this song was just too perfect in it's original form, but (at least after only one listening), this new version did very little for me. I thought all of the other songs were very nicely done, and I'm sure they will only improve with repeated listenings, expecially on my home stereo. I'm sure there will be people disappointed by this release, but hell, that's the story of Joni's life. My feeling is that whatever keeps Joni interested in creating music is just fine with me. Would I prefer her to come out with a masterpiece of all new material? Certainly! But given the choice of this, or nothing, I gladly, eagerly, and open-heartedly welcome this new release. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:41:05 -0800 From: "J. G." Subject: buzztone.com preview alternative Anyone else having trouble with the site Moni generously let us in one? I seem to be locked out. I can hear "Amelia" just fine today, but cannot get to the list... - -J _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:44:04 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Today in History: November 7 >1943: Joni was born in Fort MacLeod, Canada< happy belated birthday to joni...we are barely recovering from partying in your honor here in santa barbara! what a night! a 4 hour show & the heavy rains kept nobody away! (in fact the venue had to turn people away as we were sold out) we were honored that kakki & coyote rick came up to join us from los angeles & yael who came all the way from ann arbor to sing a song...hope you made it home safely kakki & rick... all the musicians were incredible & we were so blessed to have guitar great jeff pevar playing as well as jim messina telling his story of being the recording engineer when he was 18 years old...working with crosby on joni's demo before they did STAS... wow. ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:44:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni's comments about Letterman a musician friend of mine who went on letterman said he was was really really nervous to be doing so as he felt letterman can be very intimidating too...warren zevon is a friend of dave's...dave is actually on zevon's cd my ride is here...& zevon has filled in for paul in the past...i agree that it was a cool thing for dave to give the whole show to zevon...i wish dave gave more talk time to the musicians too... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:43:15 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue - First Impression In a message dated 11/8/2002 2:31:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Merk54 writes: > My first impressions were mostly favorable. Of the songs I listened to, You Dream Flat Tires was the biggest surprise. > Joni has really transformed this song into a little gem. Flat Tires is FAR AND AWAY my fave in this collection, Jack. I didn't know what the song was going to be at first, especially with the pacing...and when she starts "It came to pass..." I just lit up! The jazz tempo for this one is superb, and the HIGHLIGHT is the Billy Preston organ! At least I assume this is Billy, I had read where he was a part of the project. And not that any of us needed confirmation, but the song works quite well without Lionel Ritchie too! ;~) Unfortunately, I don't hear Preston anywhere else on this CD, and his keyboards on Flat Tires are such a breath of fresh air!! Bob NP: The Band, "Rags & Bones" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:43:41 -0800 From: "J. G." Subject: Re: Kate's tribute Just wondering if any listers had some reports about Kate's tribute. It was last night, correct? I wish I hadn't have been working. An old friend is a musician in SB - it would have been a great excuse to see her and catch some really cool music... - -Jerome _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:46:04 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Corned Beef? C'mon Kids! In a message dated 11/8/2002 1:49:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, ctreacy1889@earthlink.net writes: > That said, I just want to make clear that I DON'T THINK JONI WAS > NECESSARILY TRYING TO MAKE ANY SORT > OF 'NEW STATEMENT' BY RECORDING TRAVELOGUE. Moreover, I think she merely > was looking to put a new spin > on some of the older material she feels 'still holds up'. 'New Spin' and > 'New Statement' are 2 different things > Thanks for saying this Christopher!!! I've been reading today's email, and can't believe some of the things that have been said. I *LOVE* all of the songs I've heard from Travelogue. We all knew there weren't going to be any new Joni songs, where we could dissect some powerful lyrics. It's the same songs which most of us have loved for years, yet put to orchestration. Like you said, it would be nice for the CD to actually be released before people start trashing it. Of course...........this is just my opinion. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:35:25 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #469 - Letterman & Amelia > Cyndi Lauper also usually gets quite of bit of face > time in the chair afterwards, too. I do think, though, > that musicians in general get shafted on Letterman > because of their last in line placing. Anything the > runs overtime during the other segments takes its extra > directly from the musician. I doubt its Dave's fault, > though. I hope Joni hasn't shot herself in the foot again. I'll bet she's mad about her BSN appearance on the show, which was stuck at the end (probably because they had to clear everything else out for her orchestra) and followed an interview with a somebody-or-other actor. They tried to squeeze too much into that show. I hope Dave forgives her and invites her to do a show. I've only heard Amelia so far from the new set -- sounded lovely and well-orchestrated to me (and very well sung). But I'll admit I am not too musically sophisticated (never listen to classical music), Joni, jazz and Philip Glass are as high-brow as I get. But let's remember: this is a POP album and should be evaluated in that context. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:52:40 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re: nonesuch I notice that on the Nonesuch website they say that Joni is considering doing some selected dates to support the release of Travelogue. Anyone out ther know any more about this? Regards, Joe. NP: Moon At The Window Rachel Z ( really like her take on Joni's stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:45:22 -0800 From: "jeff t." Subject: Premature Ejaculations False Alarm? Corned Beef Rehash? Orc-castration? What happened while I was gone? Call me crusty, but I don't think her intention was to pen a new Rhapsody in Blue. Or revisit In the Hall of the Mountain King. Or even tell new Tales of the Piney Woods. Nor does she, I believe, have her sights set on being the next premier song stylist in the jazz arena. And certainly she ain't gunnin' for the next Tommy award. Not with Travelogue. Probably not ever. She pays a high price for her dilettantism, time after time. Funny (to me, your own eyes may glaze), but once again I was fooled. Having always loved the purr of Otis & Marlena ..."sl e e e a zing by the s e e a"... I couldn't help but be thrown by the sheer pluck of this revisit. Both literally and figuratively. That was the first listen. Now, older and wiser after 36 hours and several Expectationless listens, well, go head and finish my thought. Happens to me so often you'd think I'd be accustomed to... The pluck is what I now cannot get out of my head. Spinning out on her turns, for me, has always come farther down the road. And so it goes, as I've played The Dawntreader, Flat Tires, and the nine others I've heard thus far. I shudder to think how fine these will sound through my home speakers. Reference the subject line should analogies fail you. Who knows? Maybe I'll grow weary after a month or so. And maybe Kakki will vote Democrat-ic, Bob will utter an unkind word, and Colin will manufacture overseas. Stranger things have happened. jeff _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:11:26 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: [none] Hi, Franklin here - my first post. What a cast of characters!! Had to jump in after reading a couple of the group *e*s. What can one say about G.Dub. He's the first "vice president" we've ever had in the oval office. "President" Cheney is too busy hiding from all of his past enemies. Unfortunately, he must be at the top of every third world terrorist hit-list in the world. I guess they figure if you cut the head off, then the body will die. "The love of money is the root of all evil." Man, these oil barons just can't get enough. Of course they NEED it to drive all of their other industrial complex holdings (ie: military, power company, manufacturing). Looks like the Bush gang is going to put on their bandanas and hijack and rob the Iraqi stage coach full of gold (I mean oil). Of course Saddamm is riding shotgun (literally, with that ol' double barrell you always see him indiscriminately firing into his crowds of "admirers". This has got to be a first: "to hell with the stage coach, let's just hijack and rob the entire desert." They're already carving it up. Don't believe me? See - http://www.free-market.net/rd/226305840.html If they only listened to their own advice - "If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein, you have to go to Baghdad. Once you' ve got to Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime, or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts towards the Islamic fundamentalists? How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the US military have to stay to protect the people who sign on for that government, and what happens to them once we leave?" Vice-President Dick Cheney, New York Times 13 April 1991 I couldn't agree more with your statement regarding Joni's lyrics, Will. "I think this is why we all like Joni. She has a quality in her writing that makes you understand what she is saying by merely reading it. Few are this descriptive and visual in writing. (Then she puts on the vocals and music and WOW!)" Will There is only one artist I've ever heard who actually does it (if I may dare say - better.) He is a true Prosodist (one who combines the words and thoughts of pure poetry with melodies). His name is L.A. Cowboy. Are you familiar with his work? I wonder if Joni knows him.?? He is a top-shelf philosopher, artist,songwriter. Quite obscure evidently, but I keep hearing more and more about him hear and there in various music chats and posts. I checked out a recommended web site http://www.mp3.com/lacowboy, and sure enough, if you hit the "view track info" of each song, it brings up the lyrics and damned if they aren't all stand-alone poems - really inspiring ones. (I really don't know anyone else who does that besides Joni). I love the way he melodically orchestrates each song I heard also. Very versatile. He has eight CDs. I found all the poetic stories (read:lyrics, I hate that term) at his "official" web site, http:www.lacowboy.com I just clicked on the pictures of each CD and every song poem is there (unfortunately, no music). I found it to be a fascinating body of work. Let me know what you think. I e-mailed him from "contact" at mp3. His label manager e'd me back and told me that Joni Mitchell is one of his biggest early influences (surprise, surprise). I told her to check out Joni's wonderful site, and recommended to her that L.A. join so he can get his music profile listed there. She e'd me back, thanking me and saying she was checking it out. Well, I've babbled enough for one fan's introduction to this cool digest. Hope to get to know some of you better as time flies by. Regards, Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:13:41 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: [none] P.S. Sorry I forgot to write NJM in the subject line. I'm new at this. Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:22:23 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: N/A > Hope to get to know some of you better as time flies by. Hey Franklin! Nice to have you here! Your first post sure packed a punch! (I loved every word.) By the way, regarding "NJM", it's "NJC" (no Joni content), although you DID have some Joni content, so don't worry too much about it. Welcome aboard! Lori in MD ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:26:33 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Travelogue question (again) Yesterday I posted : <> So far, no replies. Not even private ones. Jiminy Crickets, doestn't anyone know the cutoff date for Grammy nominations??? Someone pleeeeeease??? Marcel? IVPaul? Nuriel/Ada? Marsha Doyle????? Someone???? Jimmy (not a Bob) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:42:48 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Smiling in Cyberspace In a message dated 11/7/2002 2:50:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, FredNow writes: > You know, I may as well put a stop to this here and now; I guess in > cyberspace no one can see you smile. It's a joke, I'm just > funnin' ya ... Fred, I had a pretty good laugh over this. I attempted a similar joke back in the very early days of the JMDL, involving a story about me and my wife trying to purchase a pair of Joni Mitchell paintings from a local woman who ran an ad in the local paper. It was a very long and harrowing story, where, when me and Ami finally arrived at the woman's house to buy the paintings, they were done by a John Mitchell, not Joni. The punch line was that "I told Amelia, it was just a false alarm". Of course the whole story was made up. For some reason, it just struck me as funny thing to do, and I was certain that once everyone else got to the punch line, they would know the whole thing was a joke. Instead, most of the people believed the story completely, and sent me and my wife (whose actual name is Betty!) all sorts of condolences, and warm wishes - admiring my ability to keep a sense of humor under such awful circumstances. Of course, I felt terrible, and immediately told everyone that it was a joke. Unfortunately, there were several people who found no humor in it what-so-ever. I got the nickname of the Jestering Jack-a-lope as a result of this episode. Ever since, I've been a little cautious about joking via email. :>) Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 23:11:02 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Sound files location and use UPDATE Thank you very much Moni for these links. I am listening now. i ahev heard Slouching, Circle Game, Cherokee Louise and Amelia. I am very surprised. i really like these so far and will buy Travelogue. This is perfect drak room or bed music. Nice and relaxing and the sort of stuff you can really listen to and absorb. Now when i heard BSN was coming, I wrote and said I couldn't imagine it would work as i feel Joni cannot sing now. I bought the cd anyway and ;istened twice and put it away, opinion not changed. So i was not looking forward to this Travelogue. I am so pleased to able pre hear this and hear that I was would have wrong to ignore it. Her voice is not what it was but it works on these. I think her voice works on TT and TI and NRH etc. It still doesn't work for me on BSN. Mind you these songs are not helping my mood! My poor Aysha has just had major surgery to remove an 8" stick from her stomach andJohn is away in Delhi and I feel lonely and want a cuddle. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:44:53 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:Amelia I've been listening to Shadows and Light a lot in my car during the last 2 days - it's always one of my favourite albums and it's great when you listen to it again after a while. I've been especially enjoying Amelia. 2 days ago I took delivery of a brand new computer system with beautiful quality speakers and right now I'm listening to the new Amelia on Nonsuch. It sounds completely wonderful and so lush on this system. The several glasses of wine are probably helping quite a bit but I'm really looking forward to hearing the album. Flat tires may be more of a challenge though but I wait to see! My best as ever, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:54:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Corned Beef Re-hash vince wrote "I am aching to hear new Joni material." me too...i love joni's voice (all of them) & her musicianship (guitar, piano) but what i really love the most about her is her songwriting...last night listening to so many great musicians singing her songs i was awestruck at the quality of her work...somehow this becomes amplified when i hear others perform her songs...& i really get to hear the song...to me it is her songwriting that stands out as something so very special... however, i did plug joni's new release last night... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:08:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Corned Beef Re-hash it is interesting, in researching things & storys to say about joni that i found her often talking about arrangements in terms of art metaphors or almost as often in terms of symphany or orchestral terms...going way back in time... also, it speaking of mediums & her new release, it appears that john lennon is truly having a great influence on joni these past few years ("put some fiddles on it")...heheh ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:32:41 -0000 From: "William" Subject: That girl is travel drained Oh no! Flat tires. "No-one ever said to Van Gogh, "Paint 'A Starry Night' again man"." Hopefully just a false alarm. WtS xxx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:53:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Premature Ejaculations In a message dated 11/8/2002 4:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, wyeth99@hotmail.com writes: > I shudder to think how fine these will sound > through my home speakers. This is one the MAIN thing that struck me as SO NICE about T...as much as I DON'T care for the synthetic sounds on CMIARS, DED & TTT, this one is pure REAL! Not a "Fairlight Oboe" to be found, just genuine oboes, and other woodwinds, and strings, and horns, and keyboards - not programmed, but played by some of the best in the biz! Whatever else is said about it IS sonically a wonderful thing to behold. It almost feels like a concert, like the whole thing was recorded live in one take. And Joni's vocals don't feel as buried as they were on BSN. (Colin, I agree with you and still cannot jive with BSN) So shudder away... Bob NP: Rachel Z Trio, "Free Man In Paris" (even better still!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:05:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue question (again) In a message dated 11/8/2002 5:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: > Someone???? > > You're right Jimmy, it won't be eligible for a Grammy until 2004. I don't know if that's true, but at least now you have a resonse! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:26:22 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Some Up and Coming Joni Fans? My kids, 8 and 6, have long despaired when I put on a Joni CD in the car -- or anyone else I like for that matter ("Awwww, Jonatha Brooke / Neil Finn , etc. again??!!") to the point where I wait until they're gone to listen and enjoy (okay, and sing at the top of my lungs). Yesterday being Joni's birthday, I told them we were going to listen to some Joni in her honor. I put in TI, but somehow the mood wasn't right and the themes for kids are a little bleak. I dug out STAS and lo and behold there was dead silence the whole way to our destination. My daughter asked to have the sound faded into the back seat. After a while, she said, "what did she say?" about a certain lyric. Hmmm, I thought, maybe they're listening. Today my son was helping with a chore and out of the blue he said, "what does she say after 'you know my key won't fit the door'?" Later, we were in the car, and my son said, "Aren't you going to play Joni Mitchell?" I pushed the 'play' button from where it had been, and he said, "No, start it from the beginning." They asked what "Nathan LaFraneer" was about. I remarked that I thought "Night in the City" was a great song, and sophisticated musically for a person who was probably 20 when she wrote it. (Like I know because I'm some highly trained musician ... ha!) Dennis asked what the first words were. I came inside and found my original album sleeve and put it out for him to read the lyrics. He had a big smile on his face as he read them aloud. My daughter, who is a wonderful artist, thought the artwork was great. Do you think they get it?? Could it be so?? Well, they once seemed to get along for about 24 hours and then that all fell apart, so I won't hold my breath. It's a glimmer, though, and I'll take a glimmer. Glimmer is good. Musing, Lindsay ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #331 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)