From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #322 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 1 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 322 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: October 31 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Ryan & Joni ["Sarah Cartwright" ] Re: Ryan & Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] judy judy judy ["walterphil" ] Tr: 1987 Benefit ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #451 [Kardinel@aol.com] Travelogue in UK [Stephen Pelton ] Re: Travelogue in UK [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] oops ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: JM on GMA and in RS [Bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 03:18:12 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 31 1968: Joni began a four-night engagement at The Main Point in Bryn Mawr (a suburb of Philadelphia), playing two shows each night. Chris Smither is also on the bill. 1970: Matthews Southern Comfort topped the UK chart with their version of "Woodstock". 1976: Dressed as Art Nouveau, the character who graces the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter - Joni hit the Halloween party scene. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=9 http://www.jonimitchell.com/ArtNouveau76.html 1985: Joni appeared on the U.S. "Good Morning America" TV program - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:13:06 +0000 From: "Sarah Cartwright" Subject: Ryan & Joni Bob, Just wanted to heartily applaud your NP Ryan Adams 'Winding Wheel' - do you like no.13 on Heartbreaker too out of interest? i can never remember the name of it but i just love the lyrics .There are a few tracks on Demolition Man which are worth a mention too. The start of You Turn Me On I'm a Radio of Joni's is slightly Ryanesque I feel? have taken the advice from the Joni Die-Hards and bought both FTR and C& S, both of which I absolutely love, esp. Judgement of Moon & Stars which Ken of JMDL kindly sent me the piano music too and my neighbour came round last night to ask me what it was as she could hear me playing it so Joni can travel fine through walls aswell....! is FTR all about James Taylor or is there another man of the moment too at that time? ( 'xcuse my lack of in-depth jonifacts ..i am trying!.) sarah - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:52:03 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ryan & Joni > Just wanted to heartily applaud your NP Ryan Adams 'Winding Wheel' - do > you like no.13 on Heartbreaker too out of interest? Yeah Sarah, I really enjoy that entire record. Ryan hasn't done any wrong yet in my book, whether it's the early Whiskeytown stuff or his latest collection of 'demos' that makes most singwriters look like also-rans. "Gold" remains my favorite Ryan to date, inspired by and not derivative of the best of 70's classic rock and balladries. But I know a certain Paz-dawg who lists "Heartbreaker" as #1, which is cool. It's all good. < Demolition Man which are worth a mention too. The start of You Turn Me On > I'm a Radio of Joni's is slightly Ryanesque I feel? Hadn't thought about that, but I wouldn't disagree with you now that you mention it...my immediate response to Demolition is that it is VERY Paul Westerberg/Replacements influenced, from the fragile ballads to the balls-out rockers. Adams admits to being a huge 'Mats fan. And Adams' duet on "Concrete Sky" with Beth Orton is certainly one of my favorite tracks of the year. Simply takes my breath away! > is FTR all about James Taylor or is there another man of > the moment too > at that time? That is the conventional wisdom, Sarah...the giveaway clue is her line "Pack Your Suspenders", referencing his look on the cover of "Mud Slide Slim & The Blue Horizon". Cold Blue Steel references his heroin use. I'm sure there are others on there, I'll leave it to those who have FTR in their blood to comment. Bob NP: Afghan Whigs, "My Curse" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:53:13 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: judy judy judy joni---laura---judy the big 3 of course laura and joni have the edge because of their outrageous songwriting skills but listening to old judy albums gets me so excited yes i agree with you folks that "wildflowers," "in my life," and "who knows..." are probably her best, but that sells the first 5 folk albums short again with the alto soprano comparisons in general judy's first 6 lps (thru "in my life") she mostly sang in a rich alto starting with "wildflowers" her voice began to get more soprano to where it eventually got on my nerves. (recently it seems that she is beginning to mix the 2, thank goodness) 1."maid of constant sorrow" and 2."golden apples of the sun" have recently have been released on a single cd. beautiful beautiful beautiful rich readings of well chosen folk songs. particularly outstanding is "pretty saro" from the first (poigniant and elegant) and "golden apples" from the second (a poem by yeats judy set to music) and "the great silkie" is stirring beyond belief and "crow on the cradle"--- what an odd and scarey song. if you like folk traditionalism these first 2 may be your cup of red zinger 3. judy collins #3 have you ever heard her do guthrie's "deportee?" or dylan's "farewell"? for me the definitive versions of each 4. judy collin's concert. and what a perfect concert it was! (at carnegie hall) "wild rippling water" is amazing as is "winter sky," "last thing on my mind" and "coal tattoo" (they don't wite em or sing em like THAT anymore) i only hope that when she finally puts this one out on cd, it's an expanded version (for that matter, #3 also.) 5. 5th album my personal favorite. every song a gem sung so perfectly. and richard farinia on 2 songs to boot! "so early in the spring" is jaw droppingly gorgeous and "mr. tambourine man" is definitive (sorry roger & bob). "tomorrow is a long time" is heartbreaking and "early morning rain" is my favorite judy performance 6. in my life. an amazing cover and album. her brittle alto singing in "marat sade", for instance, is sheer perfection as is "hard lovin loser." and again, "suzanne" is definitive 7. wildflowers i guess this is the one that put joni on the map- did you know her and joni are friends? read her book lovely for "both sides now" and "michael.." altho i wish this album had a guitar here or there. "since you've asked" is a lovely first judy composition 8. Who knows where the time goes for me, judy's other perfect album truly some of her stongest singing ever listen to the "when he comes to call..." part from "someday soon" wow! also backing by a great rock band, including steve stills. wished this one could have been a double and has judy's best composition, "my father" 9. Whales and nightingales here's where for whatever reason judy started singing in a higher register. but i still like this album a lot. joan baez' "song for david" is sheer magic and "marekie" is judy most beautiful performance (i plan on doing joan baez in another email) "recollections" and "colors of the day" and "so early in the spring" are all repackages. both are ok but the organal lps they are culled from are so much better. (and it is so annoying to me that some of the songs are redone.) why fool with classics? all her albums following (for me) are spotty-but they certainly have their share of classics. cook with honey, send in the clowns, pretty women, 4 strong winds, joan of arc, rainbow connection, i'll be seeing you, city of new orleans to name a few... but i return to those first 9 lps again and again. desert island discs all. sort of like joni's "song to a seagull" THRU "Don juans' reckless daughter." not a bad one in that bunch either. oh, and ALL of laura's xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:02:21 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr: 1987 Benefit > > > I was there. What the reviewer doesn't say is that Joni did stop more > > than > > > once because the talk from the audience was literally covering her > singing > > > at the piano. Joni opened the benefit (gasp!) and everybody had come > for > > > Willy Nelson and Kris so you can imagine how much attention they paid > Joni > > > in between 2 frankfurters and beer! Grand fiasco at the piano. > > Craig asked: > > You wonder why she would continue to do these. Did she ever say she was > > going to be more selective about what she did? > > > > You had the Amnesty concert where the crowd was loud and almost peltered > her > > with a water bottle and a couple of others come to mind but not he > details. > > > Hi Craig, > > The only explanation I could gather from this list is that she tries to > please her fans first and only her fans. > If you ask me she must have some masochist tendencies. >Let's hope the list gets us some answers. > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:32:54 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #451 I've heard that too but really we all have that side if pushed enough. I have read a lot of remarks about Joni Mitchell's Rolling Stone interview and I thought about a story a friend told me last year. She has a friend-a reporter- who spend two hours with JM and raved about how easy she was to talk with, friendly, open, and smoked non stop and talked non stop. I have heard other reports like this. Hey, we can all be bitchy at times and we all have a bad side. These women are human too. I think people get into speculating too much. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:20:52 +0000 From: Stephen Pelton Subject: Travelogue in UK Anyone know if Travelogue will be released in the UK on the same date as in the USA...? SP in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:27:53 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Travelogue in UK I have heard nothing about it being released in the UK but if you go to play.com they do it for 16.99 delivered. Just a tip Jamie Zoob Stephen Pelton wrote:Anyone know if Travelogue will be released in the UK on the same date as in the USA...? SP in London - --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:23:47 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #452 I agree with you on these albums. The early Judy Collins were beautiful. I used to own a copy of Golden Apples. Maybe I will get the cd with the first two albums. I think re the Joni albums- I liked all of them and some I love except those two horrors from the 80's. I keep saying it but can't believe DED was her., The lyrics aren't good nor the music or the cover. But Joni picked up again in the 90's and have loved some of her recent cds. You have good taste. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:05:37 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: [none] clive davis on donahue discussing janis. breaks the heart. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:06:16 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: oops sorry joni onlies. janis does that to me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:05:32 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JM on GMA and in RS In a message dated 10/31/02 5:21:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > 1985: Joni appeared on the U.S. "Good Morning America" TV program Is this the show I saw where a guy from the audience asks Joni to marry him, and Harry Smith chimes in (on time) "Hey, wait a minute pal, get in line !" ? Or was that a different show ? Also, on a plane to San Diego last week, I confess that I bought the Women in Rock RS issue (my second time ever, but I had 5 hours to kill and need to improve my knowledge of who's out there). Well, in the matter of written superlatives (not previously mentioned here in the discussions), I noticed that - once again - Joni was the only person among the 29 featured who had anything really amazing written about her. Each sketch began with an intro by the author, followed by an interview. Joni's intro included the following: "Still too oroginal, too jazzy, to spawn any real imitators, though many have tried" "Let's face the facts: Joni MItchell is one of the greatest songwriters ever - - no gender required" "Joni Mitchell always has been, and always will be, utterly irreplaceable". No other RS comment about any of the other artists featured even came close to those. And this from a magazine that could have been re-dubbed "Running Feud" magazine, as far as Joni is concerned. (As previously noted, Blue was ranked as the #2 "woman's" album of all time, and the release of STAS was labelled as one of the defining moments in the 65 year time line of events). It really is amazing how many 'over the top' compliments she has received in print. Plenty of critical acclaim, really - just not mass adulation. Bob S. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #322 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)