From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #321 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, October 31 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 321 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: October 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Joni and Joan [Gordon Mackie ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] RE: Joni on... ["Heather" ] Rich Republicans, and Democrats [] RE: The Personal is political [] Re: Big Yellow Taxi - the group ["J.David Sapp" ] Judy Collins ["Christopher Treacy" ] thank you's and N.O. birthday report... [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #450 [Kardinel@aol.com] Blue Tapestry Live CD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Rachel Z - "Moon At The Window" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Judy Collins ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Rich Republicans, and Democrats ["kakki" ] Re: sorry ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:14:27 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 30 1998: Joni performed in Kanata. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981030.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainKanata1098.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:24:29 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Joni and Joan Welcome from foggy Glasgow, Two thoughts: 1. Thanks to Colin for reading my mind and reminding us all that life is political (even if we think we're not) 2. Joni's voice in some of the 'Second Fret' recordings are very 'Joan Baez'. She has admitted in interviews that she sounded a lot like Joan in her early days with lotsa vibratto. I think Joni made an astute political decision to sing differently. I'm off to make a political (and probably politically unsound) cup of coffee (oh yes it is) Gordon PS Laurent...I'll be in touch soon...honest ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:46:02 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >I like Judy Collins. I loved the "Judith " album but I have to say "In >My >Life", "Wildflowers" and "Who Knows Where the Time Goes" are >wonderful >albums. Those three albums that you mentioned are probably her best albums. I like them better than "Judith" eventhough Judith WAY out-sold them. _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:58:04 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >Bob >NP: Laura, "You Don't Love Me When I Cry" What a way to start off an alnum. I' may have to pull out this LP and cranck up my turntable. Will _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:13:40 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni on... good for you, vince. - -----Original Message----- From: vince [mailto:revrvl@chartermi.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:25 PM To: Heather Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni on... Heather wrote: > No wonder Joni makes some of the bonehead comments she does. She's still > stuck in early fifties! The ultimate authority on all things is Dave Letterman, if not what he says, what we think he would say. And if we were to get Dave Letterman to comment on Joni, I bet he would say, "Our Joni is quirky." And that is how I understand her and it works for me. And it is just fine. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 9:45:47 -0600 From: Subject: Rich Republicans, and Democrats Kakki wrote: "Yikes - The richest people in America according to the yearly lists that I read in Forbes and Vanity Fair are overwhelmingly Democrats. 99% of all of the media and business and entertainment moguls and artists listed are. So where do I find the list of the rich Republicans? Are the far richer Democrats exempt from blame because of their political party? Or are they exempt as long as they give money to the Democrat party?" HUH??? Well, for starters, I'd get the list of the CEO's, Board of Directors, and top executive staff of the Fortune 500--and then go down from there. Can anyone who reads the Wall Street Journal regularly (I have, and do) and listened to Friday night's "Wall Street Week in Review," with the WSJ's editorial board, really believe that the top--and richest-- business leaders in this country are *Democrats*?? I sure don't. And I'd like to see that list you referenced. It's possible that those on the very top in the arts and some businesses are Democrats, but my guess is that they're outliers--not representative of the norm. I'd like to see, again, the top 500. . . 1000. . . 10,000. Then it would be possible to make an informed judgement. While we're at it, it would be interesting to get a percentage of the number of *poor* Democrats and Republicans. Then again, that might not be representative, because the poorest of the poor may tend to throw their hands up in despair and dismay, and abstain from the whole sorry mess. It's a tired old saw, but it's one with a fair amount of truth to it. "Conservatives" are often those with something to conserve. Mary P. P.S. And what's with the name of that slighly more liberal political party in the U.S.: those who are members call it the "Democratic" party, and those who aren't call it the "Democrat" party?? What's THAT about? Just something I've noticed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:08:57 -0600 From: Subject: RE: The Personal is political Hell wrote, and Yael responded: "Hell said: >It depends entirely on the motives of the person involved. If Bob is >choosing between zucchini and summer squash on the basis of where it was >picked, and whether the workers picking the vegetables have been taken >advantage of etc., etc. then yes, the choice is political. But if he's >choosing simply on the basis of flavour, ie. he prefers zucchini to squash, >and ignores those other factors, then that choice has no political motive >whatsoever. It's simply a matter of taste. It may not have a political MOTIVE but it does have political implications and CONSEQUENCES. so even though it is a very personal act, it has broader ramifications. if anyone chooses to think that their actions have no implications, that simple and basic choices are only their own personal and individual choices, they are making a choice right there, as far as i am concerned, to *ignore* the ramifications of their actions." Me now: I agree with what I remember to be Hell's first line, that the personal CAN be political, but also agree with Yael that it very often is. Namely, a decision not become informed about whether there are political implications in choosing one vegetable over another IS a political decision, as is the deicision to focus on taste to the exclusion of political implications. IMHO. I remember, as a graduate student in English literature, a battle royale in the Academy over the use of "political" analyses in interpreting literature. Those on the "no politics" side held that the Text Almighty was a sort of artifact in and of itself, and should be studied, as much as possible, free of considering such "extraneous" matters as the social conditions under which it was written, or the subtle (or not so subtle) biases of the author. Those in the other camp believed that to hold that a Text was somehow separate from political concerns or analyses was simply to deny reality: saying this was so did not make it so. Such an unquestioning separation in the mind of the reader might even have the effect of continuing to prop up the dominant power structures that may have influenced the work. Can you guess which camp I was in? As with all things, there is a happy medium here. The enjoyment of good literature IS an aesthetic experience, removed, on at least some levels, from any social or political concerns. And to ignore those concerns is, in my opinion, not to fully appreciate the work. I know no one here before me was saying anything about the study and interpretation of English literature. But some of this discussion has taken me back to those days, and those battles. Perhaps the more things change, the more they stay the same. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:39:40 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi - the group Christina you absolutely nailed it - it is quite beautiful. As to Black Crow, I am not a musician but I hear a different rhythm or something from Joni's version - maybe someone could explain. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:32:49 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Judy Collins Any takers for "The Fifth Album"? or the "Recollections" compilation of the early troubadour material? That's how I like her the best.However cheesy "Hard Times For Lovers" has a place in my heart.-Chris NP: Silence (eeeech! Gotta get rid of that!) --- Christopher Treacy--- ctreacy1889@earthlink.net--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:18:11 +0100 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: thank you's and N.O. birthday report... Hey eberybody, Sitting at the library the morning after, I have a terribly heavy head, but I'll try and put some kind of report together anyway. First, thank you all so much for the nice birthday wishes...it was great to hear from so many of you - reminds me that I have a lot of friends overhere. Here's a little about what happened on my big day... At 7pm Jack and I arrive at Michael's house in a limo (oh yes, I'm serious!) and I'm greated with four pairs of open arms. Feeling very much at home, I'm furnished with a drink (naturally) after Michael has come back with tequila supplies. Surprisingly, I don't smell any food being made but soon find out that Michael is grilling fish on the terrasse. Wow, what a delicious meal - you all ought to be jealous of the way I'm spoiled here! Arriving at the big surprise that Jack has for me, blowing out all 26 candles of the yummy birthday cake shows that I have no boyfriends...(in Denmark we say that every candle you leave burning is a boyfriend or a girlfriend). At least my wish will come true...yay! The night goes on, we're jamming in the studio, it's great and I'm reassured that these people have become my second family (Michael keeps saying "Who's your daddy"?). Last night was wonderful and so is my stay here. Michael's taking me to Baton Rouge this afternoon which I can't wait to see. We'll soon meet up with different songwriters that might have some songs for me. It's all very exciting and everyday is like a dream for me... Christina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:53:37 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #450 I like her a lot too and I think she is an enduring singer. She is very different than Joni Mitchell in her style but both have a grace and dignity lack ing in so many of the women singers today. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:30:12 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Blue Tapestry Live CD Looks like the UK Joni/Carole tribute band "Blue Tapestry" has recorded a cd taken from their live shows: http://www.bluetapestry.co.uk/ I'll be picking up a copy, and will report back when I spin it. If any of you Brits have it yet, speak up! Looks like their doing some cool covers! Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "Lovesick Blues" 11/15/01 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:19:23 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Rachel Z - "Moon At The Window" Holy Cow! The Joni tributes are falling out of the sky faster than you can say "Murphy is a cover-lover!" :~) Just released this month is a CD by Rachel Z, a Manhattan jazz pianist, titled "Moon At The Window". True to its title, it's a full tribute to Joni! Here's the lineup for THIS one: 1. Big Yellow Taxi (Mitchell) - 4:25 2. Carey (Mitchell) - 5:47 3. Ladies Man (Mitchell) - 5:06 4. Chinese Cafe (Mitchell) - 7:23 5. Free Man in Paris (Mitchell) - 5:30 6. From Both Sides Now (Mitchell) - 5:10 7. Moon at the Window (Mitchell) - 6:39 8. Help Me (Mitchell) - 4:10 9. River (Mitchell) - 4:53 10. Circle Game (Mitchell) - 5:15 11. All I Want (Mitchell) - 5:11 12. Lakota (Klein/Mitchell) - 10:04 WOW! A ten-minute jazz version of Lakota - how cool is that? Well, I'm going to find out as soon as CD Universe delivers my copy! I suppose Reprise will be issuing "A Case of Joni" any day now! ;~) Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "My Winding Wheel" 11.15.01 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:35:49 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Judy Collins Christopher wrote: > Any takers for "The Fifth Album"? or the "Recollections" compilation of > the early troubadour material? That's how I like her the best. A little bit too on the folksy side for me to be that enamored with either but enjoy them from time to time. However > cheesy "Hard Times For Lovers" has a place in my heart. What is your definition of cheesy? Surely not the same as mine as I find this album beautiful and by far my favorite by Judy thus far, although I only have 6 to date. Mack. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:00:30 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Rich Republicans, and Democrats Hi Mary, > Well, for starters, I'd get the list of the CEO's, Board of Directors, and top executive staff of the Fortune 500--and >then go down from there. Can anyone who reads the Wall Street Journal regularly (I have, and do) and listened to >Friday night's "Wall Street Week in Review," with the WSJ's editorial board, really believe that the top--and >richest-- business leaders in this country are *Democrats*?? I sure don't. You can download the Forbes 400 at their web site. My point is that the list of the very richest, mega billionaires, not country club millionaires, has been comprised of mostly Democrats for a number of years now. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Summer Redstone and so on. I just think the myth that all or most of the rich are Republicans went out of date (or should have) many decades ago. I have a sense that the perception may differ based on geography. Certainly the mega billionaires and millionaires out here in the west are mostly Dems. Virtually all of the media, film, music and high tech big business moguls out here in the west are Dems. Maybe in the mid-west and the east it is different. I don't know about the Wal-Mart family's political affiliation, for example. Nonetheless, these are the people that have been at the top of the money list for a number of years now. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:08:47 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: sorry Sorry Joni-onlies - I didn't realize my post was not marked njc. Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #321 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)