From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #320 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 30 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 320 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: October 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] 1987 Benefit ["J.David Sapp" ] Joni Mitchell aka Songs to a seagull [James Phillips ] Re: Joni on politics ["kakki" ] RE: STAS and Joni's vocal range ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Joni on politics [dsk ] Re: Joni on politics ["kakki" ] Re: Joni on politics [colin ] Fw: 1987 Benefit ["Happy The Man" ] RE: Joni on politics ["Heather" ] Does anyone know the song and songwriter? [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Does anyone know the song and songwriter? [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni on... [vince ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi - the group [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: 1987 Benefit Laurent - i've been looking for any recording of this - are you aware of one? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2002 10:11:20 -0800 From: James Phillips Subject: Joni Mitchell aka Songs to a seagull hello.... after this talk about Joni singing in a lower register on her first album, I decided to listen to it earlier. There are some songs in which she does sing higher (I had a king sounds like she is singing or at least playing in the key of E) but on a whole she sounds like she is singing in her "natural" range. take care of yourselves, James Phillips Blue, songs are like tattoos, You know I've been to sea before, Come and anchor me, Or let me sail away.... "Blue" written by Joni Mitchell http://www.geocities.com/thebleachboi/home.html - ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:20:46 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni would want us to vote! vince wrote: > > Joni was always a supporter of the peace and justice movements, some > examples shown above by a most wise poster. I am not claiming Joni a member of > any party, not sure she has ever gotten remotely close to being other than a > fierce independent, I think she would flee for a party label, but Joni has been > one of us for peace and justice issues from the beginning. Yes to that, along with her being consistently against huge corporations, pollution, rigid thinking, falseness, and putting the pursuit of money above all other goals (all expressed in her work and interviews). I can't imagine she'd fall for anything Bush or his co-leaders have to say. In general I see her as a political moderate, drawn more to the Democrats than the Republicans, as most artists are. Is Joni a U.S. citizen? Usually there's some publicity when a celebrity becomes a citizen and I don't remember ever hearing anything about that. So, she may not even be able to vote in the U.S., which doesn't mean she wouldn't (or shouldn't) have strong opinions about what goes on here. Debra Shea NPIMH: Ethiopia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:04:08 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni on politics http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=859 JL: We're back now with our Inner View with Joni Mitchell and what was to me some rather surprising revelations for anyone who began listening to Joni in the 60s and came to identify her with the radical idealism of the times. JM: For one thing, I didn't really identify with that. To me, it wasn't really radical change, the 60s. The costumes were the change. You know, for all physical appearances people had painted geometric designs on their faces and they were wearing jester's costumes, 14th century looking apparel, and they'd grown their hair long. I think the style was the most radical. Nothing really that startling came upon me in the 60s. I don't think I've changed very much in my thinking since I was maybe 10, you know, generally speaking. JL: Oh really? JM: Nothing really radical has changed. Things that I observed on the playground in the third grade were fairly astute visions in the small, later to be applied to high school, later to be applied to committees, later to be applied to politics, you know, later to be applied to the world. (Music up: "Songs to Aging Children Come.") JM: I didn't feel a part of the 60s even though that's the part I'm accredited. Mine was an internal revolution. In the 60s I was going through more what people were going through in the 70s in a certain way. You know what I mean? I was going through more of a personal revolution. I didn't find a lot of the leadership in the 60s particularly inspiring in government or within our own peer group. I always felt that we were rather fleas on an elephant's leg and much more powerless than we would want to trump one another up to believe. So the transition wasn't too radical for me. Phil Ochs, of course, when the war ended, he ended. You know, there were some people that were very caught up in it. I'm not a political person. My interest has always been in the spiritual, and they stand in direct opposition in a certain way. Mine has been a freeing of my own bigotry, you know. You need to be a bigot from time to time in order to have confines on your art. You have to prefer, which immediately makes you a bigot. So for me it's been lack of identification with groups. I mean I have no religious affiliation, I have no national affiliation. I'm a Canadian living in America, but I don't feel any more like a Canadian or an American or -- you see what I mean? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:04:17 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: RE: STAS and Joni's vocal range It has often seemed to me that in her early albums Joni used her high register as she would use Shorter's sax in later years. The "to,to,to,to,to,to,to,to,to,tooooo" at the end of Roses Blue always sounded silly until I envisioned her voice a saxophone. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:04:36 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni on politics I've never seen Joni as a radical, especially never far left, and she's said many things about politics over the years. There was one story about her turning a bowl of oatmeal onto Graham Nash's head, out of anger? frustration? because he wasn't interested in what was happening in his country, which gave me the impression that she feels that some political involvement is important, at least on the personal level. I looked a couple of days ago but couldn't find that story in the archives. And whether Joni calls it "political" or not, many of her songs do express a definite political opinion, not always overtly. It's kind of like her saying she's not a feminist, even though her life shows that she very much is. Joni might like to believe she lives outside the confines of society, but she's very much a part of it. Debra Shea NPIMH: The Arrangement (political opinion expressed in a personal way) kakki wrote: > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=859 ... > So for me it's been lack of identification > with groups. I mean I have no religious affiliation, I have no national > affiliation. I'm a Canadian living in America, but I don't feel any more > like a Canadian or an American or -- you see what I mean? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:00:21 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni on politics > And whether Joni calls it "political" or not, many of her songs do > express a definite political opinion, not always overtly. Of course. Or ultimately a spiritual point of view that transcends political party platforms. I ahve always been opposed to big corporate monopolies and malfeasance, was a volunteer tutor for Headstart, opposed the Vietnam war, worked on the campaign for coastal preservation, along with being a volunteer for a number of environmental causes, have always been sickened by tele-evangelists and have never stepped on anyone to pursue money. Whatever motivated me to have these points of view never came from any instruction from, or identification with, a particular political party. Joni doesn't seem to agree with pigeon-holing but strives for enlightenment beyond that. This was my favorite quote in the interview - very wise: "Things that I observed on the playground in the third grade were fairly astute visions in the small, later to be applied to high school, later to be applied to committees, later to be applied to politics, you know, later to be applied to the world." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:09:02 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni on politics > And whether Joni calls it "political" or not, national > > affiliation. I'm a Canadian living in America, but I don't feel any more > > like a Canadian or an American or -- you see what I mean? we are all politcal whether we like it or not. We all live and we all make choices and those choices are political. Choice in what we think, what we buy, what we eat, who we give to, even who we sleep with. It is all politcal. - -- bw colin TANTRA LHASA APSO (reg 1982) colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:52:23 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Fw: 1987 Benefit > > I was there. What the reviewer doesn't say is that Joni did stop more > than > > once because the talk from the audience was literally covering her singing > > at the piano. Joni opened the benefit (gasp!) and everybody had come for > > Willy Nelson and Kris so you can imagine how much attention they paid Joni > > in between 2 frankfurters and beer! Grand fiasco at the piano. You wonder why she would continue to do these. Did she ever say she was going to be more selective about what she did? You had the Amnesty concert where the crowd was loud and almost peltered her with a water bottle and a couple of others come to mind but not he details. Peace, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:46:57 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni on politics No wonder Joni makes some of the bonehead comments she does. She's still stuck in early fifties! Heather http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=859 <> JM: <> Nothing really that startling came upon me in the 60s. I don't think I've changed very much in my thinking since I was maybe 10, you know, generally speaking. JL: Oh really? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:03:38 -0500 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Does anyone know the song and songwriter? I just found out about this Joni referance.I've never heard the song.the lyric is:"Hearin' Joni Mitchell is as good as smoking grass". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:17:37 -0500 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Does anyone know the song and songwriter? sorry it's "feels as good",not "is as good". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:24:35 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Joni on... Heather wrote: > No wonder Joni makes some of the bonehead comments she does. She's still > stuck in early fifties! The ultimate authority on all things is Dave Letterman, if not what he says, what we think he would say. And if we were to get Dave Letterman to comment on Joni, I bet he would say, "Our Joni is quirky." And that is how I understand her and it works for me. And it is just fine. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:43:47 +0100 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi - the group > i've been listening to the Big Yellow Taxi CD - its GORGEOUS. My favorite > track is Dawntreader (have we ever analyzed these lyrics? i could use it). Thank you, David, I'm so glad you like it! I sang Dawntreader a couple of times before I got the right feel and I really enjoy singing that song. One of my faves of all. I won't start the analysing process, though. I'm still not hooked up with my computer - am in fact going nuts about it - so I have limited time on here...hopefully that'll soon change. > Black Crow and Sunny Sunday are also superlative. You just picked my two other favorites! I'm lucky to get to sing lots with Michael playing along these days...what a treat! Thanks again for the comment! Christina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:54:17 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: PazFest, that number again is.... To get ordering info on the 2-CD, $30 set, in the USA, send an email to the Ruth Paz Foundation at: michaelpazz@directvinternet.com Will said, >>>> >Pazfest demonstrates that even if Joni had never sang or played any musical >instruments in public, her song writing alone would >have given her genius >status. to which William Chavez said, DITTO!!!!!!!! Will-Eventhough I don't own Pazfest I know what your trying to say. I guess I need to get this CD twofer.>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:52:10 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi - the group And the party JUST ended! It is more of a treat for me to be able to play these tunes for someone so pure with a voice of a angel... Or a queen... But no... Maybe a princess. Happy Fecking Birthday! and welcome to the REAL world.... We've only just begun to play.... Paz (getting ready for a week from 'ell with 'alloween upon us) on 10/29/02 3:43 PM, Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup at christi@dsr.kvl.dk wrote: >> i've been listening to the Big Yellow Taxi CD - its GORGEOUS. My favorite >> track is Dawntreader (have we ever analyzed these lyrics? i could use it). > > Thank you, David, I'm so glad you like it! I sang Dawntreader a couple of > times > before I got the right feel and I really enjoy singing that song. One of my > faves of all. I won't start the analysing process, though. I'm still not > hooked > up with my computer - am in fact going nuts about it - so I have limited time > on here...hopefully that'll soon change. > >> Black Crow and Sunny Sunday are also superlative. > > You just picked my two other favorites! I'm lucky to get to sing lots with > Michael playing along these days...what a treat! > > Thanks again for the comment! > > Christina ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #320 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)