From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #318 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 28 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 318 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: October 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] STAS and below ["c Karma" ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] Re: STAS and below [Deb Messling ] Re: ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: STAS and below ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: STAS and below and Pazfest [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: hastings again ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: hastings again ["mack watson-bush" ] Joni would want us to vote! [Hejira924@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #432 [paul mccloud ] Joni's vocal range ["William Chavez" ] Jimmy Webb/Linda R. ["William Chavez" ] Joni voice Older?? ["William Chavez" ] More Jonifest Love [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:02:58 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 27 1987: Joni performed at the "Cowboys for Indians and Justice for Leonard Peltier" benefit in front of an estimated 9,000 people at the Pacific Amphitheatre in Costa Mesa, California. Joni concentrated on recent material, previewing a new song ("Lakota") and offering a dramatic rendition of "Tax Free." More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=161 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:51:39 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: STAS and below With all the discussion about Joni's vocal range having lowered (as is biologically normal) through the years, I'm wondering how few people note that her range on STAS is much lower than on the subesequent three ("career defining") records. I wonder if Joni felt pressure to raise her range to that of Baez and Collins so as to provide competitive product in those years. We as music consumers are reticent to believe that such detailed coersion is placed upon artists, but it is not without precedent. Over the past 30 years, I've increasingly felt that some of the vocal stretches in Clouds, LOTC and yes, even in Blue are just that. She long has maintained that her music has mirrored her visual art and like many artists, strives to avoid artiface and impurity in both content and execution. Certainly her most visually abstract period corresponds with her most political musical-poetry. Perhaps later period vocals have appeared even more "plain spoken" and lack the embellishment that would render them "marketable" among those who would consider themselves fans, but who won't allow themselves to let go of the early 70s. I've said before that her true admirers are there for "goosebumps, but not for 'The Big Chill."" The fact that Joni's vocal range has come down to what she now calls "alto" is no surprise here. I'm rather glad to see her wear comfortable clothes. A good song is a good song, even without the curly-ques, as "Travelogue" will prove. CC "I can't go back there any more. You know my keys won't fit the door." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:10:38 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >>I do especially like her version of "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress." >I think I prefer it over Joe Cocker's.' I think Judy Collin's rendition of "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is tops for me. Here you have a woman of incredible talents. She is probably one of the best interpretive singers in the business. Her voice is stronger than ever. When she decided to start composing songs we saw that she was great at that too. She was the major push behind the documentary on Dr.Antonia Brico "Antonia, Portrait of a Woman" (nominated for an Academy Award-not that this means anything). I have this documentary and the day I played it at my house everybody who walked by became GLUED to the set. Her small acting roles have received great reviews. As a pianist(initially a classical performer) she is rivaled only by Tori Amos and maybe Bruce Hornsby(his playing is more pop/jazz). I think Billy and Elton don't come close in technique, although I don't think Judy is a great improviser. Has anybody really listened to what Tori is doing on that Piano?!?! What about the harpsichord. This is a very difficult instrument to play and just because you are a great pianist does not mean you can play a harpsichord. >>Those are my favorites too although I don't have 'Don't Cry Now'. I'd >> >like to get a hold of 'Silk Purse' but I don't think it's available on >> >cd. 'Prisoner' and 'Hasten' are particular favorites. Linda's version >> >of 'I Will Always Love You' puts Whitney to shame imo and she >> >interprets songs by J D Souther and Karla Bonoff like nobody else.' Whitney's version is good but Linda's is better. I do hate the fact that Whitney made it into such a BIG hit. It almost takes the sincerity out of it when something is soooo commercialized. I loved that song when it was country musics little secret. Somehow, if Elvis had made this song into another "Love me Tender" it would have still retained its validity. Dolly is one mega rich woman because of Whitney though. Silk Purse and Home Grown have good song and poor songs on them. I do think both are available on CD but don't expect to see them stocked at the local record store. The song "Long, Long Time" is on Silk Purse and this one is CLASSIC Linda. There is one album that is not easy to find and was released just before Don't Cry Now. It's called 'Linda Ronstadt'. The songs as individuals are very good eventhough the album as a whole is not cohesive. There is a live cut of the Neil Young song "Birds" on this album. This has got to be the DEFINITE RENDITION of this song. Those "not yet famouse" boys that were later to make up the group the EAGLES back her up throughout much of this album. >>she(Linda) interprets songs by J D Souther and Karla Bonoff like >nobody >>else.' True, I don't think I've ever heard anybody do Souther or Bonoff like Linda. I have a secret desire to hear Stevie Nicks due an album of Souther song in her Bella Donna vein. That will never happen(despite the fact that they use to date). >>I started exploring Billie Holiday's music around the time 'What's >New' >>came out and eventually discovered that a pretty voice does not >> >necessarily a great interpreter make and a less than pretty voice can >> >sometimes get to the heart of a song and give it life that you never >> >suspected was there. If you ever want to talk about Billie, I'M THERE. She is the prime example for demonstrating that a great voice means little and a voice with character is everything!!!! I think that Billie Holiday and Patsy Cline are the two most important vocalist of our time PERIOD! >>Ms. Ross. Diana. What can you say about her? I agree with William >that >>her vocals were surprisingly good in 'Lady Sings the Blues'. She >did do >>a pretty decent job of giving an impression of Billie's style. >But the >>character she played was not Billie Holiday. At least not >from >>everything I've read about Billie. I think you used a great word for Diana on Billie. IMPRESSION! She gives the impression of Billie without singing like Billie. That is what makes her renditions of these songs VALID. Her acting on this film (unlike others films that followed), was GOOD. With the exception of Cher(good singer but not a great), most singers turned actresses suck. I bet you guys are sorry you let me be a part of this forum(Ha Ha). In person, it is difficult to get a word out of me. I guess I'm not really speaking while typing... Workingwilly _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:26:16 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >>Joni's comment made me think of something that happened to me recently. I have a woman friend who has lots of gay friends and no one would ever think of her as homophobic. She works in an office that's next to an office where three lesbians work. Recently my friend was bemoaning the fact that she hasn't had a date in a few months and said, "Even the lesbians don't ask me out." Is my friend a homophobe? No. Is there a bit of homophobia lurking in her? Yes, definitely. << Gee Bob, that comment made me think that you work friend was not really homophobic at all. To me it sounds like she wants to join in on the extra fun. A little experimentation? workingwilly _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:33:13 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: STAS and below I've often thought the same thing. I also think Joni's earliest voice (STAS and before) sounds older and more old-fashioned than her voice on subsequent records. I wonder if she deliberately changed her style to make it sound younger and more contemporary. I like the STAS voice much better than the LOTC voice, myself, although by the time she got to Blue, I like that voice, too. At 09:51 AM 10/27/02 +0000, you wrote: >With all the discussion about Joni's vocal range having lowered (as is >biologically normal) through the years, I'm wondering how few people note >that her range on STAS is much lower than on the subesequent three >("career defining") records. I wonder if Joni felt pressure to raise her >range to that of Baez and Collins so as to provide competitive product in >those years. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/9/02 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:46:29 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: > I think Judy Collin's rendition of "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is tops for > me. Here you have a woman of incredible talents. She is probably one of the > best interpretive singers in the business. Her voice is stronger than ever. > When she decided to start composing songs we saw that she was great at that > too. Which album is this on? I've only recently started to collect Judy's stuff. I agree that she is a wonderful interpreter. For a long time I just thought she had a pretty voice and wrote rather precious little songs. I have since learned that I was wrong on both counts. 'Albatross', 'My Father', 'Granddaddy' - these are great songs. And her choice of material to interpret has usually shown impeccable taste. Has anybody really listened to what > Tori is doing on that Piano?!?! What about the harpsichord. This is a very > difficult instrument to play and just because you are a great pianist does > not mean you can play a harpsichord. I do think Tori is talented but her lyrics are often too obtuse for me. Sometimes that's ok. I don't always understand what Rickie Lee is singing about in some of her later stuff (thinking about 'Traffic From Paradise' here) but I usually get some kind of impression from it. What little I know of Tori's songs (a tape a friend gave me some time ago) usually leaves me scratching my head and going 'huh?' People usually seem to lump Tori in with Joni's artistic decendants but I think she owes as much or more to Laura Nyro as far as her roots go. > Whitney's version is good but Linda's is better. I do hate the fact that > Whitney made it into such a BIG hit. It almost takes the sincerity out of it > when something is soooo commercialized. Whitney's interpretations in general have never struck me as being particularly sincere. To me her singing mainly serves the purpose of showing off her voice and how she can use it. I can't stand her cover of 'I Will Always Love You'. Makes me cringe. > Silk Purse and Home Grown have good song and poor songs on them. I do think > both are available on CD but don't expect to see them stocked at the local > record store. The song "Long, Long Time" is on Silk Purse and this one is > CLASSIC Linda. 'Long, Long Time' is one of the reasons why I want that album. > > If you ever want to talk about Billie, I'M THERE. She is the prime example > for demonstrating that a great voice means little and a voice with character > is everything!!!! I think that Billie Holiday and Patsy Cline are the two > most important vocalist of our time PERIOD! > I suppose that point could be argued but I'm not going to quibble about it. I love both of those singers. I think Linda (along with most every singer in C&W) owes a lot to Patsy. That voice was one of a kind and Patsy could break your heart or make you laugh or make you feel any emotion in between with it. And people on this list who have been around for awhile know that I can go on & on & on about Billie. Her voice has become ingrained in my soul. She speaks to me in a way that almost no other singers do. > > I think you used a great word for Diana on Billie. IMPRESSION! She gives the > impression of Billie without singing like Billie. That is what makes her > renditions of these songs VALID. Her acting on this film (unlike others > films that followed), was GOOD. I'm not saying that her acting wasn't good. I'm saying that the slim, doe-eyed, Cinderella-ensnared-by-drugs character that she played wasn't much like the real Billie Holiday. By all accounts, Billie may have been a vulnerable person but she had a tough exterior. While it's true that she was involved with several abusive men (Billy Dee Williams' portrayal of Louis McKay as the handsome prince who did his best to save her is a total farce), there are stories that she sometimes gave as good as she got. Also, photos of Billie show a rather Rubinesque woman who only became thin and finally painfully emaciated in the last few years of her life. Most of what I've read indicates that Billie was a party girl from as far back as her teen days when she was Eleanora Fagan in Baltimore and nobody pushed her around. If anyone tried they would probably come out of the encounter with a black eye. Maybe two black eyes. With the exception of Cher(good singer but > not a great), most singers turned actresses suck. Cher held her own with Meryl Streep in 'Silkwood' and lit up the screen in 'Moonstruck'. She showed 'em all. I wish she would get another decent part. She really is a talented, natural actress. > > I bet you guys are sorry you let me be a part of this forum(Ha Ha). In > person, it is difficult to get a word out of me. I guess I'm not really > speaking while typing... > Workingwilly Hey, I'm enjoying talking with you. It's nice to get responses to what I write once in awhile. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:56:25 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: STAS and below > I've often thought the same thing. I also think Joni's earliest voice > (STAS and before) sounds older and more old-fashioned than her voice on > subsequent records. I wonder if she deliberately changed her style to make > it sound younger and more contemporary. I like the STAS voice much better > than the LOTC voice, myself, although by the time she got to Blue, I like > that voice, too. I also love STAS and the sound of Joni's voice on that record. I bought a Judy Collins cd a while back called 'Maids and Golden Apples'. It contains all the material from her first two albums and is, I believe, all traditional folk material. Judy uses a deeper, more powerful voice on most of these songs than on subsequent records. It's almost like she's assuming a male persona when singing the traditional material. I'm wondering if this could be called her 'coffee house voice'. Joni's voice takes on some of this character on 'Tin Angel'. Some of that song almost seems to be over-sung to me. The STAS voice is deeper but it has a softer sound to it. Maybe it's the 'bell jar effect' that makes it sound that way. Joni has referred to her singing on some of the early records as her 'helium voice' and I go back and forth on how I feel about it. Sometimes it is beautiful and ethereal. Other times it just grates on me. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:08:51 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: STAS and below and Pazfest Mark writes: << Joni has referred to her singing on some of the early records as her 'helium voice' and I go back and forth on how I feel about it. Sometimes it is beautiful and ethereal. Other times it just grates on me. >> I agree, and I know that's it's that voice that has often turned off people I when I have tried to get them to love Joni. The Pazfest CD (such a great holidays gift -- and all for a good cause!) gave me a whole new appreciation for Joni the songwriter. So from now on, whenever I try to tell anyone how great Joni is, I think I'll let this nifty 2-CD set of great performances do the work. It's all Joni songs without the early voice that some people find grating or the later voice that some say is cigarette-ravaged. Pazfest demonstrates that even if Joni had never sang or played any musical instruments in public, her song writing alone would have given her genius status. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:52:14 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: hastings again He sure did, while I was at the chicken coop. You go boy. Hoorah for Emmitt. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:54:08 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: hastings again oops, njc on that one. sorry you exclusively joni people. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:48:01 EST From: Hejira924@aol.com Subject: Joni would want us to vote! I feel close enough morally and spiritually with Joni to dare to speak the following facts: 1) Having been a fan of Joni's since the early 1970's, with Vietnam, "The Fiddle and the Drum" and her involvement with the McGovern campaign, I know she does not believe in the status quo. 2) Having survived the Reagan years (with friends dying of AIDS and all), it was her album, "Dog Eat Dog" which gave me the hope that right wing America and their televangelists need not dictate the direction of this country forever. 3) I know she would have admired Senator Paul Wellstone for his liberal convictions, and we mourn his loss together. 4) Get out there and vote Democrat on November 5, to give her and this country a present a few days before her birthday. No hostile replies necessary - what do you want to do? Take away my free speech that Pres. Bush claims he is fighting for Iraqis? Put me on an airplane and cause it to crash like some Timothy McVeigh must have done to Wellstone's plane? I have nothing to fear, because Joni's music will always live on long after I am gone. Oh, and by the way, here is another reason to hate me, as I am suffering from recurring respiratory problems from having worked 3 blocks away from the World Trade Center, and I am a witness that this government under Bush and Giuliani did not do enough to protect us. Have fun with your empty T.V. watching and C.D. listening, while you allow your inaction to take away the last remnant of our democracy on November 5 by not voting to keep the Senate Democratic. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: paul mccloud Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #432 i wonder if theres any chance tom waites and joni mitchell could do a cd together? - --- JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Thursday, October 17 2002 > Volume 2002 : Number 432 > > > > The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by > Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It > contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, > lyrics and much much more. > > The JMDL website can be found at > http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, > archives, and much more. > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Today in History: October 17 > [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Re: Bali, NJC > ["kakki" ] > my feelings > [Cactustree78@aol.com] > Re: Nonesuch question NJC > [] > teach your children (and hello Walt!) NJC > [ReckersL@ebrd.com] > vocal ranges njm ["William > Chavez" ] > second part of a trilogy ["William > Chavez" ] > Joni on the music biz ["Marianne > Rizzo" ] > NJC Saying Hi > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Morning becomes Elektra [Gordon Mackie > ] > Re: Teach Your Children, NJC (and let your > children teach you!) ["Blair F] > Re: Vocal ranges (SJC) NJC > [] > Re: Vocal ranges (SJC) NJC > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: vocal ranges njm [Jenny > Goodspeed ] > Joni's artwork > [RoseMJoy@aol.com] > Re: Joni's artwork > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > RE: Vocal ranges (now, NJC) > [] > travelogue album cover > [SMC1254@aol.com] > Framing > [James Leahy ] > (njc) We're number 5! We're number 5! > [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] > Re: Morning becomes Elektra (njc) > ["Brenda" ] > Re: Framing > [colin ] > Re: Morning becomes Elektra (njc) [Jerry > Notaro The Jungle Institution > [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] > NJC Re: (njc) We're number 5! We're number > 5! [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: nonesuch > ["Brenda" ] > Re: Framing > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: nonesuch > [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= > ] > Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Erica > Trudelle" vocal range NJC > [Tyler Hewitt ] > I am on a lonely road and I am not traveling, > Man!!! [Susan McNamara RE: I am on a lonely road and I am not > traveling, Man!!! [Susan McNamara ] > Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > [Engwall57@aol.com] > Re: a new Joni page (for me) > [Engwall57@aol.com] > Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > [RoseMJoy@aol.com] > Re: vocal range NJC > [AzeemAK@aol.com] > Re: nonesuch > [AzeemAK@aol.com] > Vocal range njc > [AzeemAK@aol.com] > Re:Travelogue. > [johnirving ] > Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [Catherine > McKay ] > Re: Framing [Catherine > McKay ] > Vocal ranges/feedback (NJC) ["Timothy > Spong" ] > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:03:59 -0400 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today in History: October 17 > > 2001: Joni paid a surprise visit, accompanied > by her daughter, Kilauren Gibb, to Hugh's Room, > a Toronto folk club, and sang a duet with her > old pal, Eric Andersen. The tune was Andersen's > classic 'Blue River', which she recorded with > him almost 30 years ago. > More info: > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/011020tgam.cfm > > > > > > - ---- > For a comprehensive reference to Joni's > appearances, > consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of > Appearances: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:32:39 -0700 > From: "kakki" > Subject: Re: Bali, NJC > > Laurent wrote: > > > The sad truth is that human life doesn't have > the same value depending on > > location. Simple arithmetics: in order to get > media attention 5 American > lives = > > 500,000 Tibetans = 50,000 Kurds = 1 > Palestinian = 100,000 Tutsis. > > These numbers are just an example but you get > the idea. > > After thinking about it last night I basically > came to the same sorry > conclusion. They didn't get the attention and > payoff they craved until they > hit the big cheese, so to speak. > > > Who's to blame: Short attention spans? > Journalists? Violent movies? All > of > > the above? > > That's a good list for starters. Most people > in the world are self-absorbed > until it comes to their neighborhood. But even > knowing it is happening in > some place other than your own country and > being concerned - what can be > done? Intervening is seen by many as just as > wrong as looking the other > way. Damned either way to some extent. At > least now the whole world is > more aware and focused on the problem. At > least intelligence is being given > more of a priority and being shared and some > countries are working together > to thwart new plots and arrest the plotters. A > little late, but it's a > start. > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:21:40 -0400 > From: Cactustree78@aol.com > Subject: my feelings > > I think that Joni caouldnt have been more right > in her Rolling Stone interview and I thought > she looked fierce in the photo.. > Whatta beauty!!ANd her remarks were warranted > due to the fact that shes been screwed by the > business for so long she can finally speak > truthfully(albiet not for the first time) on > her feelings about the music industry..I mean > you only have to look as far as the cover of > the "Women in Rock" Rolling Stone to realize > how messed up music is today....Last time i > checked === message truncated === Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:41:51 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni's vocal range >>I wonder if Joni felt pressure to raise her range to >that of Baez and Collins so as to provide competitive product in those >years. We as music consumers are reticent to believe that such >detailed >coersion is placed upon artists, but it is not without precedent. I'm sure a lot of singers are manipulated in many ways and if a singer's vocal range allows them to sing in many different keys, then suggestions might be made to sing songs in higher keys. I will have to disagree on this with Joni in particular. The whole purpose behind David Crosby producing her first album was so nobody would alter the Joni Mitchell he fell in love with when he saw her in My home town Miami, FL. He wanted her to sing just like she did at the Gas Light in Coconut Grove. Joni has thanked David publicly during several interviews for the way he produced her. He was basically a token producer, just sat back and let her do her thing. It kept the record label from sticking a producer in the studio that would change her. It might be possible that Joni herself might have thought she needed to sing in a high somewhat thinner voice. It was what was expected of women on the folk circuit, with the exception of Odetta(what a voice!). She has stated in early interviews that she was influenced by Joan Baez singing. The same with Blue. She has stated on many occasions that the recording of Blue was done behind close doors. Nobody was allowed in unless she wanted them in. This is why the album is thought of as being sooo honest and personal. She put emotions on record that most people could only bare to think about in the privacy of their own bathroom. I don't know about anybody else, but when I'm in the bathroom, nobody else is allowed. You can conjure up the strangest things when you got that kind of privacy. Additionally, Joni is one of the few artist that has barely gotten ripped off by the music business as far as royalties and publishing rights go. That's because she has always been so savy and has not let anybody push her around. Someone with this kind of attitude is not going to let anybody tell her how to sing. Her first four albums were not big seller despite how influential they might have been on other artist. Who in the record business do you know that is on a big label, has low record sales and still manages to produce herself. This is basically unheard of. Lets face it Joni' got B____S! Probably why she's got such a huge case of "penis envy"! Wow, everybodies been picking on Joni lately(including me), it's nice to be able to stick up for her once in a while(Hee, Hee). workingwilly(Hee, Hee) P.S. Joni does sing some pretty high notes on the song "Song to a Seagull" but its not as high as the ones on "California" from Blue(eventhough her high notes on "California" are so high that she can barely control them-I think this adds to the appeal-very human). The thin, airy, girl-like voice on STAS does give the impression she is singing high throughout even when she is not. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:54:04 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Jimmy Webb/Linda R. >I think Judy Collin's rendition of "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is tops >for >me. >And Jimmy Webb's too. Jimmy's version of "Galveston" is also incredible. >I've been a fan of Linda's since the beginning and through all her >phases. >I'll always be a little partial to the Stone Poneys days Linda has always had a beautiful voice right from the get go. Her phrasing was a little different back then with the Stone Poneys. She was going for that "proper lady folk" diction. Will _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:58:52 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni voice Older?? >I've often thought the same thing. I also think Joni's earliest >voice >(STAS and before) sounds older and more old-fashioned Old fashion-yes, but not necessarily older. Will _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:25:45 EST From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: More Jonifest Love Yes Even Though I picked up B Marsalis new CD "Footsteps of Four Fathers" Which sounds A+ I have been spinning all 8 JF disc's while designing a 10' x 14" addition to a friends house today. I think I would give the Siquomb statue for best Male performance too Bob Muller's version of "Talk to Me "the way he adds JMDL list verses to the song is so loose,hey Bob blame it on the Tequila !. And the Best Female performance goes to Claudia San Soucie's "Give yourself Love" the warmth of this performance made me feel in a second hand way the love I missed out on . The voice I can not get out of my mind is Yael, only two songs ! The most Professional performance Gregg Cagno sound like a child prodigy born with a steady rhythm in his head, a songbird in his throat, and the evereadybunny battery in his heart. The best 8 songs in a row go to Jeff Bisch and Kate Bennett, Jeff tells a story in these songs Like Ramblin Jack Elliot does. I know I cannot mention everybody. But most important Thank you Ashara Sugarpants ! NP Channeling Ethel 2003 JF needs a DVD. A PS goes out to Jeff B I bought two $4.50 Horner Harmonica's for Amelia and I this weekend ! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #318 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)