From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #315 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 25 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 315 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: October 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Joni & baby ["Kate Bennett" ] JONI A HOMOPHOBE?? [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #314 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Joni Covers Dislikes and Likes ["Reuben Bell" ] Joni & Baby [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Joni Covers Dislikes and Likes [Mags N Brei ] RE: Joni Covers Dislikes and Likes ["Jerry Notaro" ] Speaking like a lesbian ["Laurent Olszer" ] the duel [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: the duel [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #440 -- Man, Woman, Dylan, Mitchell [BRYAN8847@aol.] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #440 - covers [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Thanks to all Joni Listers (from a lurker) [] Re: Two Grey Rooms ["janine sherman" ] jonifest cd [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] Re: Joni on the radio [Michael Paz ] Stormy Weather tickets ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:00:04 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 24 1994: Reprise Records held a "Turbulent Indigo" record release "meet & greet" at the Ruth Bloom Art Gallery in Santa Monica. The invited guests and the press could view more than 30 of Joni's paintings while hearing the new album tracks on the gallery's sound system. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:02:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni & baby "I would say that her decision/regret/sorrow surrounding her 'Little Green' experience has been an even greater one. A good question to consider: are these lyrical references intentional or subliminal?" that was interesting bob, i'd go with the unintentional aspect as i know how common it is for those unconcious emotional thoughts to seep out in disguise when you think you are writing about something else but really its all touching on the same emotional landscape.... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 05:32:52 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: JONI A HOMOPHOBE?? I DONT THINK SO...I know for a fact that Joni has publically and privately supported GLBT causes such as anti defimation & AIDS causes... she was only trying to say that if you speak with a deep voice people think you are a lesbian ..which is stupid ..but that was Joni's point.. that "americans", meaning the mojority of us believe that a woman w/ a deep voice is a lesbian (like a man with a high voice would be considered gay)..its hard to pick apart an interview because she doesnt have much time to elaborate...Just my thoughts. as a gay man i understand that we as gay people need to be sensitive but lets focus on the REAL homophobes... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:23:06 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #314 In a message dated 10/24/2002 3:02:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:31:57 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com > Subject: Joni & baby > I think Joni just uses baby as slang. It was a popular word of her era (of many eras) ... and Joni uses slang (bigwig, darling). Hate to be a mean old daddy -- but sometimes things are just that simple. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:54:09 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Joni Covers Dislikes and Likes I think that she also stood and applauded after Cyndi Lauper's outstanding reading of "Carey" at the TNT tribute a couple of years a go. Does anyone else remember this, or am I nuts? I know that she got a standing ovation, either way. This performance has been in my MP3 player for at least a year...fantastic! Reuben Reuben Bell, III Events & PR Coordinator Glencairn Museum 1001 Cathedral Road Bryn Athyn, PA 19009-0757 www.glencairnmuseum.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:59:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Joni & Baby "Hate to be a mean old daddy -- but sometimes things are just that simple. " Nothing mean about it...and I know where you're coming from as that was also my opinion for a long time. And of course we don't really KNOW for sure, we can only speculate. However, we DO know that Joni as a writer is neither obvious or simple! ;~) It's almost harder for me to believe that she could just dismiss her adoptive experience in her writing (or that writing "Little Green" allowed her to completely process her emotions) than it is for me to think that it became somewhat of a subliminal filter for her, and her interaction with the world was in perspective to it. Thanks for the response! Bob NP: Clarence Carter, "Patches" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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You and Jimmy saw Rebecca earlier in the week at another function in honour of Joni. And btw, I think Rebecca also sang Blue...gorgeous rendition. a night to remember!!!! and for you Bruce Cockburn fans...Rebecca does an incredible amazing cover of All the Diamonds (for you Jenny and ChuckE). She has a web site worth checking out ... Mags, the birthday queen (lol! i always wanted to say that). You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:03:23 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Joni Covers Dislikes and Likes We sat just a few rows away from Joni for Joni's Jazz and she hooted, hollered, swayed, and clapped along all night. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:46:44 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Joniphobic? Joni is prone to being misunderstood. She talks in a kind of mental stream of consciousness that can be hard to follow. As she said, "I talk too loose, again I talk too open and freely. I pay a high price for my open talking..." Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:04:08 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Scottish Jonifest As the esteemed Scotsman Gordon said, we met alongside with Willy the Shake. Gordon played in the car that CD of jazz Joni covers which he got from Bob Muller, and Willy and I were hardpressed to name any of the instrumental songs (except 1). It was embarrassing but histerically funny. Anyway, the interesting part was Gordon's friends were telling him beforehand that he was crazy to meet with a stranger from the web, my wife was telling me the same thing. And yet Gordon and I had no doubts that we should meet and IT WORKED, meaning Joni lovers must have something in common aside from Joni of course. My wife felt it the same way upon meeting Gordon and Willy. So JMDLers, do not hesitate to hook up with other members while traveling, it's the icing on the cake. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:49:06 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Speaking like a lesbian Lauren Bacall is straight. But I agree with Joni that american women in S. California tend to have a high pitched voice, at least nowadays. As Kakki said, must be the cheerleader/Valley Girl syndrome. By the way, I find myself agreing with Kakki and SC Bob 99% of the times. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:35:37 -0400 From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: the duel greetings listers! this was too funny not to share. peace! ric From the New Yorker..... THE DUEL by JESSE LICHTENSTEIN Issue of 2002-10-28 Posted 2002-10-21 An Iraqi vice president offered an unusual suggestion Thursday for solving the U.S.-Iraq standoff: Saddam Hussein and George W. Bush should fight a duel to settle their differences and spare their people the ravages of war. - -Associated Press. Dear Mr Saddam Hussein, By your Distempers and want of those Decent Principles by which have all Men liv'd peaceably, by your Baseness and notorious Felonies, your Threats and Vile Expressions, you have much offended one who give no Cause for Offence. Therefore it leave to me no Choice save that I request a Gentleman's Satisfaction, and do hereby await your Reply. I am, Sir, your most humble, etc., George W. Bush Dear Bush, Salutations! This be indeed a Surprise most pleasing-much time has pass'd. I trust this Missive finds you well mend'd from the Frightfull Fall upon your Cheek. Were it not you I recently espy'd on CNN, so flush'd and Healthfull? I pray you bestow my Fond Regardes upon Richard Cheney, and also the goodly cast of "Friends," in most particular Rachel, with Felicitations upon the Birth of a Girl Childe. I remain your humble servant, etc., Saddam Dear Mr Hussein, It seems you had mistook my Meaning, else do deliberately pervert it. Your Pleasantries and Flattery shall not preserve you in this most Grave Matter, nor shall your seditious Moustaches, for the Hour of Preens and Chatterings is pass'd. You, Sir, are a Plaguey detractor and your Presence a Pestilence upon the Common Peace. I must have Satisfaction. > Name the Place and Conditions of your Attendance there. It be prov'd unto the World you be a Prevaricator; shew yourself not to be a Coward as well. I am, Sir, your most humble, etc. etc., George W. Bush Dear Bush, I curse you. May you be trampl'd by Swines. May the Oil you unstintingly Obtain from me be of Inferior Quality. May your Ears grow by Night and your Nose by Day, you leprous Swag. There. Indeed that was most Refreshing. The exchange of wilde Oaths and Invecktives were always a favourite Pass-time for me, even as a Childe. I shou'd delight of a Meeting. I have oft heard tell of your Country Estates, which, if I be not in Error, inhere within the Texas country. This I do propose as mete for Conference. Be Texas not a Land of great Chattel and nubile Maidens? Are there not hang'd and Injection'd Criminals of most debas'd Nature? Further, your man Cheney avows that your Grounds be equipp'd with Hot Tub. If this be Truth, I shall assuredly convey with me the apposite batheing Attire. I am your devoted, servile, etc. etc., Saddam Dear Mr Hussein, Scoundrel! You will not by mine nor any other Permission befoul, besmirch, nor be-sully the Land of Texas with your Odious Presence. Kno' you nothing of the Code of Honour? The Grounds need must be neutral! You be the challenged Party, and Selection make. Look you do so without further Delay. I am, Sir, your most humble, etc. etc., George W. Bush Dear Old Bush, You Filth-Pot. You Scurvy Dog. You Slop-Monger. (This be Entertainment!) Very well, I accede to your Importunities. I will not have it say'd I forc'd you to Face your Destiny discomfit'd by the hounds. Hark, then, for either Disney World or Biarritz shall do-I have heard that both be lovely this Time of Year. I am, and remain, with Admiration, etc. etc., at your Bidding, Saddam Dear Mr Hussein, This selection of Location has prov'd Disastrous beyond all Sense and Reason. I think I shall be forc'd to track you like a Craven Animal into your Lair! At leaste have the Decency to make choice of Weapon. Have you a shred of Honour left to expend in this Meeting? I am, Sir, your most humble, etc., George W. Bush Dear Bush, Verily, you are in the right. Let us settle the Matter, then: I hereby select a Weapon of mass Destruction. Two, perhaps, were better, lest one Misfire. Yet, and this it paines me to Reveal, my Armory be somewhat reduc'd. Might I not trouble you for a Loan? I remain prostrate, self-mortifying, in terrible Awe, etc., Saddam Dear Mr Hussein, Good God, Man, can truly this great Mockery transpire in our enlighten'd Age? You shall employ Conventional weaponry, to be Inspect'd and prepar'd by our Seconds, avowing the Probity of these Actions. This be not Discretional! Justice shall be done, Honour shall be restor'd, and you shall Fall, you Murtherer, you shamefull, Cankerous Blight. I am, Sir, most humbly yours, etc., George W. Bush Dear Bush, Cankerous Blight! That were a splendid Frase-I shall have it fram'd. Lamentably, it be not possible that I concur with such Inspections as you proffer. You have my assurances that all my Armaments be in Working Order and of great Readiness, for they are amongst the finest know'd to the World, amongst which they be of Russian, Chinese, and American Fabrication. Allow me to Demonstrate by Means of an Assay upon my own Countrymen-my Friends the Kurdes are ever Eager to volunteer, and I have found this to be an effective Proof. If it suffices not, volunteer your own Expendables and we shall make a demonstration thereupon. Thus you shall have your Satisfaction. I remain assuredly in your Thrall, and humbly do submit this Reply, etc., Saddam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:12:17 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: the duel My whoreson body is wracked with gales of laughter!! Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:43:36 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #440 -- Man, Woman, Dylan, Mitchell > but bobby d was certainly being sexist to say joni was > 'like a man' as if > Well, there are different ways to see that remark, too. (And by the way, wasn't it at least 25 years ago when Dylan is purported to have said that?) Anyway, I think he was just recognizing that the public (at that time) expected women musicians to behave a certain way and that Joni didn't fit the mold. That's my take anyway. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:52:34 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #440 - covers > Has Joni ever chimed in on any covers? Other than Judy Collins' Both Sides Now, other early covers and the ones heard at the tribute concert a couple of years ago, she probably hasn't even heard any of them. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:00:03 -0700 From: Subject: Thanks to all Joni Listers (from a lurker) Thanks all of you Joni Only Listers! I've been lurking here for the last couple of months, and just wanted to thank everyone (in general!) for all of the inspirational and insightful posts I've been reading on this list. All of you know so much about Joni; I am sincerely impressed! Not only with the depth of your knowledge, but also your willingness to share! I've been Joni fan since I saw her name on a Tom Rush album I had in high school. He recorded "Urge for Going" on that one, and I liked it so much I ran out and bought "Songs to a Seagull." Of course, I liked that one so much I bought every other Joni album as soon as it came out, right up to "Mingus." Unfortunately, that one kind of turned me off to buying new Joni albums for a lot of years (until I joined this list!). My "biggest Joni thrill" was when I had 2nd row tickets for her concert (w/LA Express) at the Mississippi River Festival ('75 or so). I bought the tickets in Feb. for the concert in Aug! Since joining the "Joni Only List" I have purchased "Night Ride Home" and "Hits." Not sure what will be next, but maybe Dog Eat Dog? Maybe. Or maybe "Misses." Have to wait and see what inspires me as I'm standing at the CD rack! Anyway, that's all. Thanks again for all of your posts; excellent reading. This is a very fun-loving, expressive (opinionated!) literate/articulate group here! Rick From St. Louis, now in L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:09:52 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Hello Coyote Rick, Indeed, our Joan most definitely rose and clapped profusely for Rebecca's amazing performance of Two Grey Rooms. It was most moving..... It has been one year since that incredible evening. Thanks to you and Jimmy, you two beautiful fellows, for sharing it with me. I get teary-eyed thinking of it. When I close my eyes....... I can still see her lovely shoulders and gleaming hair and hear her murmur to Larry when the montage of the pictures she took on their trip through Canada was projected. Surreal......... It is still hard to believe we sat behind her, Larry, and Killauren. God Bless, Janine NP: news report of the way-too-close-for-comfort sniper. I teach in Frederick County where these guys were apprehended. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:57:04 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: jonifest cd 1. I want to thank the honarable joni branch from the great state of Virginia,Sir Speedy CD 2. The Sound persons get 10's, they go uncredited but the quality is very professional. 3. Now I have 2 more versions of Amelia for my daughter to listen too flying down the freeway. 4.Kate Bennett's version of Wolf Song is better than on her CD , who is playing the harmonica ?on this song This Jonihead wants to know. Brian Symes NP Urge For Going Jeff Bisch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:26:46 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni on the radio Thanks Mags and a VERY Happy Birthday to you. I would raise my martini glass your way but I am on the wagon and do you mind if toast you with abita springs water?? Love to you and Bri and I would wish you both So much happiness but that would be so redundant!!! ;-) Paz on 10/23/02 3:39 PM, Mags N Brei at magsnbrei@yahoo.com wrote: > > http://www.whyy.org/91FM/btdt/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:39:54 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Stormy Weather tickets Tickets are still available in all price ranges. Note the bit from Ticketmaster below - if you want to $pring for the $253.50, you get to go to the after-party! 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