From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #310 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, October 20 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 310 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: October 19 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: October 19 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Joni in RS [vince ] AMERICAN MASTERS [Cactustree78@aol.com] Joni album, F.Hill and Hunter ["William Chavez" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #309 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni at Carnegie Hall [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: Martha ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Second Fret songs and the gap ad [Susan McNamara ] [none] ["jeff t." ] Re: Joni's Gap Ad ["kakki" ] Re: nonesuch [Michael Paz ] Re: Travelogue track listing ["Brenda" ] Re: Joni's Gap Ad ["Brenda" ] Re: Travelogue track listing [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #434 - CD compulsion [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Lennie & Dom songs ["Christopher Treacy" ] Joni biting the hand [Les Irvin ] Re: Joni biting the hand [Murphycopy@aol.com] Framing ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] too proud to beg for jonifest photos [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:06:36 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: October 19 2001: Author Margaret Atwood and Joni attended the ceremony to unveil their "stars" on Canada's Walk of Fame. The ceremony was held at noon in front of the Royal Alexandra Theatre, 260 King Street West in Toronto. The same evening, "An Hommage to Joni Mitchell" was held at the Liberty Grand. Many tributes were expressed, and Joni improvised on the piano and played demo tapes of her new album. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/011019.cfm http://www.jonimitchell.com/star/StarUnveiling.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:06:36 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 19 On October 19 the following items were published: 2001: "Canada Honors Joni" - RollingStone.com (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/011019rs.cfm 2001: "Joni Mitchell, Margaret Atwood added to stars on Walk of Fame" - Yahoo News Canada (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/011019ync.cfm 2001: "Stoking the Star" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/011019tgam.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:09:13 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Joni in RS > On 18 Oct 2002 at 19:39, vince wrote: > > > I just read the *actual* Rolling Stone interview - not the *purported* > > RS interview - with Joni and it is 180 degrees removed from what has been > > reported. Brenda wrote: > > Is the one in the magazine longer than the one on the RS web site or is it the same? > > http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=1250 > same, and after all I read in here - I didn't read it on he website - and reading it in the RS it came across as a very positive interview - at least this is just the way I read it on paper. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:01:13 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: AMERICAN MASTERS Hello all!! I was looking at the PBS website and noticed that the airdate for Joni's American Masters was may 2002 now im asuming they mean 2003 why would we have to wait so long it should come out with the album..Along with the documentary..Hope you all have agreat weekend peace and love your way ***kev**** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 06:17:52 -0400 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni album, F.Hill and Hunter I have yet to go into any kind of web page to see the song listing or album cover of Joni's new product. I am awaiting that CD like a pregnant mother who refuses to now what sex her child is until it is born! I will tell you that it is great to here all of you speculate on every little nano sized detail. Faith Hill's voice is noticeably weak during live performances. The Divas show comes to mind. You could barely hear her and she was straining for a sound to come out. These are the not so pretty paybacks of having your voice abnormally amplified in the studio setting. "Hunter or Good Samaritan" As far as guitar tuning and hand positioning for chords, they are identical pieces. It's just that she switches the location of her capo. I use to know the capo locations but have not physically played either song on my guitar in a long time. I'm a proud owner of 2 of those bootleg LPs that had the song listed as the "Good Samaritan". The LP was called Lennie and Dom Songs I think. I have always wondered about that LP title. Anybody know the meaning? Both copies have a blue line drawing of what must have been a picture of a Joni like girl laying down in a grassy field. Maybe it was Joni herself? There are numerous pictures of her doing similar poses when she lived in Laurel Canyon but I've never seen the actual picture this could have been lifted off of. I have not played those boots in over 20 years! That reminds me of something I have to do... Will _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:15:22 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #309 In a message dated 10/19/2002 3:01:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > I just read the *actual* Rolling Stone interview - not the *purported* > RS interview - with Joni and it is 1800 removed from what has been > reported. I thought the reviewer was awe struck and fair, and Joni was > very pleasantly Joni, not the bitching whining shrew that was kind of > predicted. And Joni on Britney and Christina? "They're sweet." This > article was Joni at her best, a very lovable Joni who gave some good > insights, shares her opinions, and comes across very well. RS did a > good job for Joni. > I totally agree. She came off fine when you read the whole piece. I'm just surprised she agreed to it since she hates the notion of women as a separate category in music (songwriting, painting). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:39:58 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Good sleuthing! Yes....Martha Mitchell the woman everyone loved to hate back in the time of Richard Nixon's administration. She was married to John Mitchell, Nixon's attorney general. She spilled the beans on the goings on and ended up testifying before the Senate. She was a talker and such a blabbermouth!! Although, I believe, DJRD came out during Carter's reign? Bree >Concerning Martha in "Talk To Me"... Martha Mitchell was in the news alot >around the time of the release of 'DJRD'. I just naturally thought it was >M.M. that Joni was referring to. A thought. > >I'll now return to lurking mode, thank you. > >-denknee _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:43:49 EDT From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Joni's Gap Ad Does anyone know where we can view this picture? Love ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2002 07:58:33 -0700 From: James Phillips Subject: Joni at Carnegie Hall hello was going thru my digest earlier and noticed someone said something about listening to Joni at Carnegie Hall? Is this the aborted live album from the late 60's that I had heard about? And what is the track listing? James NP Rickie Lee Jones "It's Like this" cd "We come to the river, we'll walk away from all this now, We come to the water, we'll walk away from all this now" Rickie Lee Jones "Flying Cowboys" http://www.geocities.com/thebleachboi/home.html - ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:03:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at Carnegie Hall In a message dated 10/19/2002 10:59:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jamesphillips75@icqmail.com writes: > "Is this the aborted live album from the late 60's that I had heard about? > And what is the track listing?" Don't know if it is, James...but is great show - recommended! Joni Mitchell Carnegie Hall; New York, NY February 23, 1972 1. This Flight Tonight 2. Electricity 3. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire 4. Big Yellow Taxi 5. Blue 6. For Free 7. Banquet 8. All I Want 9. A Case of You 10. Carey 11. Lesson In Survival 12. Woodstock (edit) 13. You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio) 14. For the Roses 15. Both Sides Now 16. Encores: My Old Man 17. The Circle Game Bob NP: Prevost & Solley, "Both Sides Now" SWEET from Pazfest!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:40:54 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Martha Jeff wrote : <> I originally thought of this Martha, too. I even conjured up images of Martha's Vineyard in the following line. But then again, I do not know who Martha Mitchell or Martha Graham are. Mia NP: Tori Amos - "Yes, Anastasia" _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:46:39 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Second Fret songs and the gap ad To Walt, Bob, et. al., One of the things I'm passionate about lately is playing the old Second Fret songs. If you go to the guitar site and sort "unreleased" there are a number of good tabs for these songs, including Hunter (which is the same tuning as This Flight Tonight, with that low jangling G string, tabbed by Mark d.). Have fun!!! Eastern Rain is beautiful and I just discovered that if you play around with that tuning you can also play some great Nick Drake songs (To the Morning, Northern Sky, ). www.jmdl.com/guitar I played a very tentative version of Come to the Sunshine at Jonifest and originally had planned to also play Eastern Rain and another favorite Day After Day (which Marian tabbed). But I hadn't practiced enough, mea culpa. My goal during winter vacation is to tab Blue on Blue - another Second fret favorite. I LOVE THESE SONGS! > > "eastern rain-what a beautiful melody- > > did you ever hear fairport conventions version?" > > > >> "I also have an old vinyl bootleg which has a studio version of a song >> called "good samaritan" which to me sounds like an eary version of "this > > flight tonight."" > > >Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:40:29 +0100 >From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk >Subject: RE: One more thing Joni needs..... > >and didn't she then make a painting of the image used in the Gap ad, >ironically calling it 'self promotion'? > Talking about self-promotion, I tried my hand at a portrait of Joni after the gap ad in pastel. You can see it here at the Wanderer site: http://www.jmdl.com/wanderer/jonipastel.htm Received the Jonifest discs yesterday (thanks Jody!!!) and am really enjoying listening to you talented people. have a great weekend, suemc - -- ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:52:30 -0700 From: "jeff t." Subject: [none] No one has mentioned yet that the Nonesuch site lists Disc 1/Track 1 as Otis and Marlena, not Love. Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:08:37 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Gap Ad Jenny, I looked around the web sites but couldn't find it. I recall that there is a photo of it lying on the floor, with Joni sitting next to it wielding a paint brush, in the August 1998 issue of Mojo magazine. I have it here somewhere. It's a great issue and I think it comes up on eBay occasionally. Here's the article http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9808mojo.cfm Kakki > Does anyone know where we can view this picture? > Love ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:05:10 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: nonesuch Thank heaven for humor and insight. Paz on 10/16/02 9:04 PM, Mark or Travis at mark.travis@gte.net wrote: >> Personally I don't really care too much what the cover looks like - I'm >> going to spend a LOT more time listening to the music, than staring at the >> cover! >> >> Hell > > I'm with Hell on this one. Personally I'd buy it if it had a picture of > Divine eating a dog turd on the cover! > > But the thought just occurred to me that this is the second of her > orchestral albums with Vince Mendoza and maybe that's the reason for the > similarity in covers. Maybe she thinks of this album as a continuation of > the last one and this portrait as another study in a series. > > Maybe. Maybe not. Only Joni knows for sure! > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:03:13 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Travelogue track listing On 19 Oct 2002 at 9:52, jeff t. wrote: > No one has mentioned yet that the Nonesuch site lists Disc 1/Track 1 > as Otis and Marlena, not Love. Jeff > > Someone I know is working on a flash media player for Travelogue. I've seen it and Otis & Marlena is indeed the first track. I'll post here once the player launches. A new track is going to be added everyday as a preview before street date. B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:04:08 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Joni's Gap Ad On 19 Oct 2002 at 9:43, Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know where we can view this picture? > Love Here it is: http://www.jonimitchell.com/GapAd90.html B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:08:59 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue track listing In a message dated 10/19/02 5:05:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, music@soulstreet.net writes: > A > new track is going to be added everyday as a preview before street date. > > Oh, really? This is very interesting. I was hoping we'd get a sampling before the release date. Where will the player be launched from, can u tell us? ~rose in nj NP: Ryan Adams Nuclear ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:52:17 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #434 - CD compulsion shops the Joni Bin has usually most all of her CD's I have an habit of spending some time putting them in order and then I reflect on the clacking hard plastic Ha! So I'm not the only one who messes with the JM CDs in music stores! I've never put them in order, but I will flip them around if they're in backward or move one down or up a shelf to occupy an empty space (making it more visible). Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 0:28:41 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Lennie & Dom songs Lennie & Dom songs was recorded from 2 separate shows in 1969. It's a pretty decent boot, but not something originally intended for commercial release. It has Joni's "Get Together" on it if I recall. I believe Lennie & Dom are actually names related to the boot label that put the record out, the company escapes me (it actually might be a reference to the tapers names)...it's the same label that put out the "California" LP as well as "Kept On By Her Own Devices," my fave of the three. -Chris --- Christopher Treacy--- ctreacy1889@earthlink.net--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:22:20 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni biting the hand Joniphiles - There's a new review up in the Library of a concert in Detroit on 72.02.18: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/720219dn.cfm One paragraph states: "In a new song aimed at jabbing the moguls of the recording industry she states: "I know I'm biting the hand that gives me (material) things." And then she adds sadly: "But I can't afford to give it up yet." " Anyone have any idea what song she might have been singing? Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:53:05 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni biting the hand Les asks: << There's a new review up in the Library of a concert in Detroit on 72.02.18: (SNIP) "In a new song aimed at jabbing the moguls of the recording industry she states: "I know I'm biting the hand that gives me (material) things." And then she adds sadly: "But I can't afford to give it up yet." " Anyone have any idea what song she might have been singing? >> That's easy, Les! It's either the writer of the article or Joni herself paraphrasing "For the Roses." I guess I seem ungrateful With my teeth sunk in the hand That brings me things I really can't give up just yet But Les, what's a '72.02.18'? I hope it's February 18, 1972! Do I win anything? (Even Muller gives prizes!) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:56:08 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Framing Themes, out. Deep thinking, out. Writing, out. Delegating, in. Scattershot approach, in. This is Joni's fourth period that that's how it's been going. Lama James Leahy said, >>>>>>I'm still trying to make out some sort of overall theme from the song list given on the Nonesuch site. It still baffles me. Perhaps the pieces will all fall in place when I get the album.>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 02:28:02 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: too proud to beg for jonifest photos I have asked nicely. I have even pleaded and cajoled. But I ain't gonna beg for photos for the Jonifest 2002 page. Sometimes things just don't get done without a deadline, so with that in mind, my deadline for fest photos is Tuesday at midnight (Eastern US time). If I don't have your photo disc by then, or if you haven't uploaded your photos to Chris Marshall's hatstand.com site, they won't be on the Jonifest 2002 page. Thank you to everyone who has contributed. There are many spectacular photographs from this incredible weekend, so the page should be great. It would have been nice to have a few more photographs, but the fest was almost two months ago, so . . . as Janis once said, "That's it!" --Bob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #310 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)