From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #309 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 309 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: October 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: Live from LA -- Joni! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: early early songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] good samaritan [Dave Cuneo ] Re: One more thing Joni needs..... ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: One more thing Joni needs..... ["Brenda" ] RE: One more thing Joni needs..... ["Jerry Notaro" ] pissing tequila anacondas; content unsure ["jeff t." ] Re: Joni in RS ["Brenda" ] Re:Travelogue. ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper ["Bree Mcdonough" <] Re:Travelogue. ["Reuben Bell" ] JMDL Chat: November 19th ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] joni/stevie photo comparison NJM? ["William Chavez" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I've always assumed it was Martha Mitchell.... Roberto > >Martha definitely IS a character in the Bible, but I'm not sure that it's >the subject of the lyric in "Talk To Me". Putting it in context, the next >line is: > >"We could talk about landscapes" > >Is there a significant Martha in the art world that this might have related >to? I don't know, I'm just throwing it out in case it rings a familiar note >with anyone. I would be more inclined to believe that she was referencing >Martha Graham, the dancer & choreographer since she juxtaposed it with a >painting lyric next. _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:51:01 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: A Serious Collection of Travels I too have recorded these 23 songs on cassette to listen to until November 19. This collection is not just the greatest hit songs about getting or losing love that is so trivialized in all the top 40 songs today. The first two tracks Love and YDFT are about love but after Woodstock the following songs are about very serious topics STB ,JOTM&TS,and TSOS. Her subjects about the state of social conditions are the main themes in these songs example Sex Kills, Borderline, Cherokee Louise. This collection of songs have the strongest composition of melody rythmn and counter rhythm and offer the greatest advantage for orchestral arrangement. It is interesting that WTRF has 3 songs on this list, I am happy with 4 off Hejira but sad that no songs off THOSL were picked a symphonic Jungle Line would have cracked some plaster off the walls. This record Bussinees trend today still feeds off of radio play time the only FM station in Portland,Oregon will infrequently play Joni's Free Man in Paris, You Turn Me on I am a Radio or Woodstck from MOA. The only full time jazz station did play The Man I Love and Summertime that Joni sang with Herbie Hancock on his Gershwin's World CD. So will the Travelouge songs get any play on Jazz stations or maybe classical stations ? Travelogue will be bought by the most addicted Joniheads around the world. No regrets Coyote! sums it up on the last song . Added observation When I go into Borders or our local CD shops the Joni Bin has usualy most all of her Cd's I have an habit of spending some time putting them in order and then I reflect on the clacking hard plastic CD cases and remember when the weight and size of the vinyl LP's.The sight of STAS(Pyshodelicdoodles) and my love of Joni's colorfull self portait on Clouds. This has to be my longest post, blame it on the Sumatran Coffee and 18 JM CD's NP Don't Interupt the Sorrow. Good night Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:22:30 +0100 From: "Sarah Cartwright" Subject: re. THe Jungle Institution Hi Walt, glad to see someone else spends far too much time thinking about lyrics!! I have to say the 1st time I heard The Jungle Line I thought it was Jean Jacques Rousseau she was referring to, putting JJ Rousseau in the context of Joni, i.e. author of Reveries of a Solitary Walker etc, I did study him in my younger years and so put two and two together and most probably got 5! However reading the glossary on the jmdl web page the description of the artist Rousseau also seems to perfectly fit the song. who knows? maybe she was just being ultra clever and its' meaning can be ambiguous and it can be either Rousseau!! or maybe we just have far too much time on our hands.... and actually I don't even like the song so why am I even bothering writing about it!!! must get back to my own little analytical world, sarah - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:55:56 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Live from LA -- Joni! Murphy writes: > Sheryl Crow, Norah Jones & Others To Play Stormy Weather Walden Woods > Benefit > > I wonder if we'll be calling 1800AT&T again for our free copy when the CD is released. I remember dialing and dialing when the first Stormy Weather promotion came out. It's still one of my favorite CD's and I can't wait to hear what song Joni will sing. Jimmy (we're finally in a cool front 65 degrees this a.m. :~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:40:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: early early songs "this is my first post to this club" Welcome, Walt! Not sure if I recall the JMDL referred to as a club...maybe we need to print up some membership cards and issure Joni decoder rings! :~) > "Do you think joni would ever consider releasing all those old radio shows > (i think the versions i have are from a bbc show) she did in the mod 60's > before her career really took off? " Well, she says no, but I think that at some point there will be a 'rarities' boxset that will include the "Second Fret" stuff and maybe some other things that we've not heard. > "eastern rain-what a beautiful melody- > did you ever hear fairport conventions version?" Most of us have - they're the only ones who have officially recorded it, as well as 5 or 6 other Joni songs. > "these are on double cd (boot) i bought on ebay last year" Well, there are other unreleased Joni songs out there, like "Play Little David Play", "Day After Day", "Gift Of the Magi". And you don't even have to troll E-bay for the "privelege" of paying an exorbitant price! You can get copies here merely for the cost of a blank cd and postage. > "one more thing-boy did she talk a lot back then-giggly and non-stop. (kind > of like this email)." Well, she DID have to retune her guitar from song to song, so rather than have the audience just sit there while she did, she would yak. Although she's probably chatty even without having to retune...one of the things I LOVE about her live shows. > > "I also have an old vinyl bootleg which has a studio version of a song > called "good samaritan" which to me sounds like an eary version of "this > flight tonight."" The actual song title is "Hunter", it was originally designated for Blue but left off and as you know never saw the light of day. It is very similar to TFT, probably the reason why. Thanks again for the intro, Walt! Happy Joni-ing to you! :~) Bob NP: Ani, "In Or Out" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:10:16 -0400 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: good samaritan Ciao joniphiles, a poster wrote: "I also have an old vinyl bootleg which has a studio version of a song called "good samaritan" which to me sounds like an eary version of "this flight tonight." Hey, I just heard this for the first time the other day and that is exactly what I thought! The guitar part seems to be the same - I was waiting for "Look out the window the Captain said..." but it never came! Also, listening to the joni at Carnegie Hall CD for the first time recently, she was definitely "the chirp" back then - like a giggly little schoolgirl - but when she plays the piano, or the guitar - Wow! Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:26:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: One more thing Joni needs..... Sure I can. She put her image on the Gap ad. She's not above promotion..... Lamadoo Brenda asked, on Tuesday, The problem is Joni doesn't seem even remotely interested in feeding the machine like Faith does. I mean, can you just see Joni doing an easy, breezy beautiful Cover Girl commercial with Queen Latifah? ; ) Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: jenny lind and vocal range and a little Joni Joe Palis wrote: In history we were taught that a soprano called Jenny Lind has an unrivalled octave but she was used a freak-show attraction in one famous traveling circus. Actually, Jenny Lind was a very famous opera singer. I don't know what her range was, but I recall reading her autobiography. > What about Minnie Riperton? According to press releases during her career, she had a five octave range. And as for Joni content, I'm pondering which is the highest note Joni sings in her recordings? I'm torn between the trailing vocal on California and the vocal/instrumental interlude in Car on a Hill. I'm leaning toward COAH. (The electric guitar comes in on that note, and it's hard to tell if Joni actually sings it.) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:40:29 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: One more thing Joni needs..... and didn't she then make a painting of the image used in the Gap ad, ironically calling it 'self promotion'? - -----Original Message----- From: Jim L'Hommedieu Subject: Re: One more thing Joni needs..... Sure I can. She put her image on the Gap ad. She's not above promotion.....Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: One more thing Joni needs..... Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Sure I can. She put her image on the Gap ad. She's not above promotion..... I ve never seen Joni's image associated with Gap...surprised me some. That said, they are trying to appeal to 'all generations' so who knows. I love the image of Joni on Travelogue, for what it's worth and I am enjoying all the interpretations. Cat's eyes...and a mix of Kilauren...I like that idea a lot. Good call Michael. Must be that Canadian perspective :-) speaking of images....Lama!!! your photos on hatstand are very, very good! !!!!! I dont know if you posted notice to the list, if so I missed that. Just had a look and you've captured some really excellent moods in your shots. I am especially impressed with the lighting in the performance area, where the lighting was so low. Bravo!!!! Mags, who promises to try to take more photos *next* year. np: NPR....talk of that trial from yesterday *shudder* You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:20:52 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: One more thing Joni needs..... On 18 Oct 2002 at 6:26, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Sure I can. She put her image on the Gap ad. She's > not above promotion..... > But wasn't that more than a decade ago? She just seems decidedly less interested in doing that stuff these days. I really hope to be proven wrong, because Joni's involvement in the marketing of her records is just as important as any label's effort. Besides the Gap ads were cool back then (some of them still are) and they were more about musicians as musicians not musicians as models. So it was a bit like doing the Apple "Think different" ads. And the underlying point was that Faith Hill, unlike Joni, doesn't seem to turn down much when it comes to promotion. After all, her thing is really about the face, then the song and not so much the performance. She was on some show recently performing her new single and the weakness of her voice really showed. Brenda n.p.: NPR - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:25:28 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: One more thing Joni needs..... Don't you all think Joni was much more involved in promoting BSN than she was in any previous release? I mean, BSN virtual greeting cards?! And all those truly wonderful live television performances. Looking forward to more of the same soon. Where is Rosie when we need her??????????? Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Brenda Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:21 AM To: joni@smoe.org; Jim L'Hommedieu Subject: Re: One more thing Joni needs..... On 18 Oct 2002 at 6:26, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Sure I can. She put her image on the Gap ad. She's > not above promotion..... > But wasn't that more than a decade ago? She just seems decidedly less interested in doing that stuff these days. I really hope to be proven wrong, because Joni's involvement in the marketing of her records is just as important as any label's effort. Besides the Gap ads were cool back then (some of them still are) and they were more about musicians as musicians not musicians as models. So it was a bit like doing the Apple "Think different" ads. And the underlying point was that Faith Hill, unlike Joni, doesn't seem to turn down much when it comes to promotion. After all, her thing is really about the face, then the song and not so much the performance. She was on some show recently performing her new single and the weakness of her voice really showed. Brenda n.p.: NPR - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:00:04 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: early early songs What a wonderful first post! And welcome to the club, Walt! It would be great to see Joni release a CD on all her early stuff. <> I actually like hearing this song. Joni sings a funny electronic noise at the end of this song -'eeeeyowwwwwww-wwwoww'. We were talking about Ricki Lee Jones earlier, and I wonder if Ricki got her 'eeeeeyowww' car taking off sound in "Last Chance Texaco" from Joni also. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:53:15 -0700 From: "jeff t." Subject: pissing tequila anacondas; content unsure If I faithfully, religiously, and even sometimes obediently read the lines (and often in between) of the JMDL posts, but only rehearse the dialogue in my head (Sheryl reinvented), am I a lurker? I sense there are others who come and go, always acknowledging their covert ways. I admit it. I was forced out. One day synapses atwitter, next day sulking and skulking cause some feckless coward says he's 'disappointed' that Otis and Marlena has been chosen for Travelogue. Sorry? Come again? Yet again, wearily, I must sit my son down and patiently explain that yes, opinions can be wrong. That tune blends sound and imagery so well I, uh, well, help me out here oh articulate zealots et al ... Load shooter comes to mind but I sense it's inappropriateness. And before you even mention the difficulty of incorporating those bandit muslims into that sweet salve of a song, that tranquilizing tincture of a tune, that bewitching balm of a ballad ... be strong. Remind yourself(ves) of Orpheus. The heavy-handed penalty which lack of faith may impose. She's had tougher nuts to crack... So, speaking of Carly Simon (Orpheus, not cracked nuts), a member posed a question: Is there a song that Carly DIDN'T sing well? Aah the rueful smile that plays on my face. The chorus of her version of Angel From Montgomery leapt so quickly to mind I near called you (him, her,...whatever). Speaking of cracked nuts. And all this allusion to the tiredness of her artwork devices? Her need to get a life? Her lack of PR skills? Her redundant ranting regarding Rolling Stoners? If I was a halfway decent spitter, I'd let one fly. At the ground I mean, I've always hated the imagery of spitting in someone's face. Her 'art' is what it is. I can't possibly match MaryanneRizzo's pithy post, so I'll simply repeat it. Play/say/and paint/and design/and give what you want. Ok, it's not been all bad. I did like the description of live Cactus Tree creating waves that traveled up whomever's body, ending in some sort of sweet release... I may be extrapolating there, but that lovely lilt never fails to get my attention. By the way, what IS a magsnbrie? Something English? And the nifty way you all agreed on how to teach your children. The initial post used 'instill', but subsequent follow-ups (oh Gilligan) championed 'exposure'. I agree, there is nothing like the moment when the fruit of your loins, only eight gentle years of age, able to sing every word to Coyote, phrasing intact, looks you straight in the eye and tells you he likes Britney. Shit, I've gone through more kids that way... Stay calm, pause significantly, return his gaze, and say "I like her more". Oh, and I need also to thank the Bobs of this world. I still don't know who is who but I find your posts informative and amusing. Left and right sort of. And whichever one of you is pursuing your inner Ethel, well, break a leg. And though I know you're more savvy than I, sometimes you miss big. Talk To Me's copyright is 1976 and 1977. Knowing she generally does the page and then the strings, Martha is clearly a reference to our once-upon-a-time first lady, given the celebratory nature of our nation back then. Sheesh. Fondly, Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:39:21 -0400 From: vince Subject: Joni in RS I just read the *actual* Rolling Stone interview - not the *purported* RS interview - with Joni and it is 1800 removed from what has been reported. I thought the reviewer was awe struck and fair, and Joni was very pleasantly Joni, not the bitching whining shrew that was kind of predicted. And Joni on Britney and Christina? "They're sweet." This article was Joni at her best, a very lovable Joni who gave some good insights, shares her opinions, and comes across very well. RS did a good job for Joni. And in the 50 essential women's rock albums of ALL TIME., each artist with one listing, Joni gets #2 for Blue, second only to Aretha Franklin. That is a damned fine ranking. The reality was much different than what was predicted, and I am saving this issue of RS as a Joni keepsake because it is Joni, pure Joni at her best. RS was good to her. And Joni comes across so well in RS. Vince And yes, I get po'ed at RS sometimes, but I still read RS all the time, have a subscription, because I get a lot of music news as well as real in-depth reporting on non-musical issues of importance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:22:39 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Joni in RS On 18 Oct 2002 at 19:39, vince wrote: > I just read the *actual* Rolling Stone interview - not the *purported* > RS interview - with Joni and it is 1800 removed from what has been > reported. Is the one in the magazine longer than the one on the RS web site or is it the same? http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=1250 B n.p.: Scientist - "Dance of the Vampires" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:04:27 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re:Travelogue. > > sell Diana, or Diana to sell Joni; or just who the > > sticker info is aimed at: old fogies like me who > > remember Joni Mitchell (y'know the folk singer?) or > > young fogies who might know Diana, see the name Joni > > Mitchell and decide to pick up a Joni CD at the same time?> DK said that being on the TNT tribute was the best thing for her career. I guess doing ACOY doesn't hurt her either? Bree..waiting for my chicken to come out of the oven. (never ever put a half frozen chick in the oven...a long wait) >It's definitely using Joni to sell Diana to the old fogies like you! lol! > >Diana's on a different label, so they won't go out of their way to sell >Joni records. I'm >sure it's there because she was performing the tune in concert before it >turned up on >a record and they want to let people know they can finally get it. > >B > >n.p.: Tony & kd - "Moonglow" >-------------------------------------------- >"Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:15:55 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper >Relayer wrote: > > > Joni may be right about this subject,but doesn't she seem to be a broken > > record?(pun intended)If I'm not mistaken she said the same exact thing >in > > "Rolling Stone" a few years ago and about a trillion other times... > >Because Rolling Stone keeps asking her the same question over and over a >trillion times to keep it stirred up. I was thinking about her latest >comments today and again just started laughing out loud. I almost have a >feeling Joni is having fun with it all at this point like "you want to hear >my opinion on the music business AGAIN? O.K, let me give you yet another >pithy quote!" ;-) Kakki..I think you are right on with your observation. Joni is just having fun..of course she means what she says. But yeah..darn it..ask me AGAIN and AGAIN to opine on the music biz..and I'll give you some adjectives to remember. "Cesspool!" "Crapper!!" (got to love her) Bree >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:41:05 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re:Travelogue. I noticed today at Tower Records that the sticker on the new DK album says its Diana's first recording of "A Case Of You", buy doesn't actually mention Joni by name. I thought that was interesting that the label assumed that people would know the title without the original author. Reuben >>> "Bree Mcdonough" 10/18/02 09:04PM >>> > > sell Diana, or Diana to sell Joni; or just who the > > sticker info is aimed at: old fogies like me who > > remember Joni Mitchell (y'know the folk singer?) or > > young fogies who might know Diana, see the name Joni > > Mitchell and decide to pick up a Joni CD at the same time?> DK said that being on the TNT tribute was the best thing for her career. I guess doing ACOY doesn't hurt her either? Bree..waiting for my chicken to come out of the oven. (never ever put a half frozen chick in the oven...a long wait) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:56:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: JMDL Chat: November 19th Who's in? I've noticed on the Cowboy Junkies' list that the worst thing to possibly do is to pre-order a new release. People who do that have found that their mail order is PULLED on the release day and shipped the following day. That means that the people who went to the mall and bought the disc at the biggest music store in town, have already posted their intitial impressions, the second day impressions, and their followup, full reviews of the strong points and weak spots before the people who pre-ordered have even seen the artwork! So, I suggest that those of us who will actually be able to get "A Travelogue" on November 19th, should take advantage of that. Is it going to be released in the Ukranine on the 19th? In Austria? In Denmark? In the UK on 19, November? If so, Europe will have a headstart on the Canucks and the Yanks. We can have a rolling chat about it. Who's in? Lama np: Bryan Thomas' live version of "Jennifer" from JoniFest 2002. Major thanks go out to Les Irvin, Chuck Eisenstadt, Bob Muller, and my branch leader, John Moore. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:37:10 -0400 From: "William Chavez" Subject: joni/stevie photo comparison NJM? Your right, it does appear as if Stevie Nicks has a lot of make-up on in this photograph. Why? I don't know, but it sure as hell isn't to hide her age! I recently saw her up close with very little make up on and she looks better than most 30 year old women around my neighborhood and work place. She, like Joni, is in her mid fifties. There are very few lines on Stevie's face and don't even think about coming back to me with the plastic surgery garbage. She has stated on a few occasions that she would never alter the aging process of her face that way. I think the photo in question was just a fun opportunity for dress-up(studio setting with royalty type clothing and crown) while Joni's pic was a casual shot in the garden while having a conversation. Granted, I would much rather go with the light make-up if any. Especially if you don't need it(and Stevie does NOT). Yes Bob, I'm a Joni fan and a Stevie fan too. Will _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:48:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: JMDL Chat: November 19th Corrections: My friend Chuck is an Eisenhardt, not an Eisenstadt. I always want to name Chuck after the master photographer Alfred Eisenstadt. I always make that mistake and it's always because I associate Chuck with the Master's eye for quality and detail. Ooops. Furthermore, from the JMDL map, it looks like 19, Novemeber will come to Hell, Honora, and Joseph P. in Auckland. Hell, are you gonna be the first JMDLer to see the sun on 19, November? Lama npimh: "Talkin' bout a one-man thread, y'all. Nobody needs to know." 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