From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #305 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 16 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 305 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: October 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Release Dates: COURT And Spark, MILES Of Aisles [simon@icu.com] Pop Idle/American Ideal/ Canadian idyl [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Nonesuch question [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Nonesuch question [Les Irvin ] Re: Nonesuch question ["Brenda" ] Joni's Travelogue cover art [Steve Polifka ] We're My Thrill ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: We're My Thrill [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Joni's Travelogue cover art [Murphycopy@aol.com] Please help me get off this list ["Paul Read" ] Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper/britney rant ["blon] Mother Hips ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Reuters message boards reactions ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Please help me get off this list ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: nonesuch ["Brenda" ] travelogue and other snippets (SJC) ["Yael" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #429 [paul mccloud ] Re: Nonesuch question [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re:JMDL Digest V2002 #424 - Joni at supermarket [Susan Guzzi ] Vocal ranges (SJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Vocal ranges (SJC) [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: nonesuch ["kakki" ] Re: nonesuch [FMYFL@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:06:42 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 16 On October 16 the following items were published: 1985: "Joni Mitchell Takes Up Topicality" - New York Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/851016nyt.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Patriot Ledger (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981016pl.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Dayton Daily News (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981016ddn.cfm 2001: "Mitchell, Atwood will see stars " - Toronto Sun (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/011016ts.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:17:09 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Release Dates: COURT And Spark, MILES Of Aisles Chihuahua50@aol.com writes > ----- > For some reason I have this idea that I gave someone a copy of > Miles of Aisles as a Christmas present before Court and Spark > was released. But according to jonimitchell.com Miles of Aisles > as released after Court and Spark. The date on both cds is 1974. > Does anyone know the months they were released. > ----- COURT AND SPARK was released in January 1974 and debuted on Billboard's Popular Albums charts on February 9, 1974. The album peaked at #2, spent 64 weeks on the charts and eventually went double platinum. BTW: there was an earlier little taste when Asylum records released the 'No Sax' version of "Raised On Robbery" on a Promo LP sent to radio broadcasters "Elektra/Asylum Fall 1973 Releases" (EK-Promo-22). MILES OF AISLES was released in November 1974 and debuted on Billboard's Popular Album charts on December 14, 1974. This album also peaked at #2, and spent 22 weeks on the charts; not too shabby for a Live LP. MOA is a certified gold album. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:38:56 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Pop Idle/American Ideal/ Canadian idyl Hi nice peeps Joni's lament at the music biz... aimed at the packaging of music as product.. problem when you see your expression as art...you want fries with that? I laughed at a recent Pete Waterman (of Stock Aitken and Waterman, responsible for a lot of 80's/90's pop) quote saying he got inspiration for a lot of his hits from classical music. I think he said Kylie's 'I should be so lucky' was based on Pachobel's Canon. Aye right. Anyone see French and Saunders piss take of classical artists doing orchestrated pop songs....funnily enough they did a version of ' I should be so locky, locky, locky, locky' Isn't life so political Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:49:54 +1300 From: "Tom Rodwell" Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper I have to say I largely agree with what Joni says - while also acknowledging that the article probably misrepresents her interview - due to space constraints probably. Journos (and I am one occasionally) and their editors tend to go for the outlandish quotes. They make good copy. I really doubt if Joni is isolated from new music (her decision to go with Nonesuch shows that - deeply cool label), and given the context the interview appears in (godawful Rolling Shtone on "Women in Rock Music") I interpret her comments as being addressed to the Top 40, major label part of the biz - rather than the the working musos slugging it out in bars worldwide, or young songwriters, or jazzbos or whoever else. And the top 40 is undeniably a cesspool. It's brave of JM to come out saying it at this time, when superficiality now seems like a desirable prerequisite in popular music. Frank Zappa said similar things throughout his career. As has Steve Albini (Nirvan producer etc), who wrote an excellent article for The Baffler magazine, roughly describing success in the industry as equivalent to swimming through a trench full of horse manure. Of course when they (rich white men) do it, it's cool and cynical and avant-garde. Why should JM be described as bitter when she states the same blindingly obvious thing? Tom np Eric Dolphy "The Illinois Concert" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:09:46 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Nonesuch question What other musicians record, or have recorded, on the Nonesuch label? RD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:12:52 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #424 - Joni at supermarket I have heard a lot of C&S - Just Like This Train, Twisted, maybe even Trouble Child. I heard Yvette in English at the wine shop - but they don't have Muzak; it was the owner's tape. Somehow, Joni and wine are a natural combination. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:24:46 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Nonesuch question It looks like an interesting group, including Bobby McFerrin, Philip Glass, Laurie Anderson, Mandy Patinkin, Afro Cuban All Stars. Check out the list on their site: www.nonesuch.com . The cover art for "Travelogue" is there! I hadn't see it until today. The portrait is beautiful... (Hi everyone...I'm back from the lurker's lounge) Reuben in Philadelphia >>> 10/16/02 12:09PM >>> What other musicians record, or have recorded, on the Nonesuch label? RD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:22:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Nonesuch question Engwall57@aol.com wrote: > What other musicians record, or have recorded, on the Nonesuch label? > > RD When I sang with Schola Cantorum and The Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra we recorded on Nonesuch. Jerry np: David Lahm - Solid Love ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:23:47 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Nonesuch question At 10/16/2002 10:09 AM, Engwall57@aol.com wrote: >What other musicians record, or have recorded, on the Nonesuch label? I think it's primarily a classical music label. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:24:31 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Nonesuch question On 16 Oct 2002 at 12:09, Engwall57@aol.com wrote: > What other musicians record, or have recorded, on the Nonesuch label? > > RD A lot - the label has been around for years. Have a look: http://www.nonesuch.com They also have brief info about Joni and Travelogue up, including the cover. Brenda n.p.: Black Sheep - "Do Your Thing" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:58:37 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni's Travelogue cover art Well, I'm a little disappointed in the cover art. Granted, the protrait itself is gorgeous, but isn't this the third CD with the same artwork idea? TTT, TI, and now Travelogue? BSN , even though it was a painting, was not a shot of a painting on a wall. I thought TI original cardboard packaging was great, and then with TTT she I felt she got redundant. Some of her other covers were sensational- Hejira for example. A journey- an escape from a dangerous situation, yet the picture has a road going into her- the journey within, where one truly finds escape and release... Blew me away! Don Juan's Reckless Daughter- a Southwest theme: Don Juan, Paprika Plains, turquois, it all fits in. (The magicians, the amazed child, the doves...) Wild Things Run Fast- one of my all time favorite self portraits of her- shoes to the side, looking solemn over a TV set, even though her and Larry smooch away on the inside sleeve... Night Ride Home was eerie in a way, but I loved it- the seer in the scene... So I could go on and on. I thought she might have a pass port or roadmaps or something like postcards... She can be literal with her art as well as obscure... Maybe she sees everything as a portrait, and wants it presented that way. I'd buy that, even though I'm disappointed... Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:13:45 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: We're My Thrill I was up half the night listening to Jonifest 2002 (Thanks Bob - I got the package yesterday). What a thrill! What a blast! You guys are AWESOME. I am so proud to be a member of this community. Thanks to one and all. I also listened to Muller's Sweet 16. It is sweet indeed. Kudos Bob its a great disc. Much to my utter amazement I'm becoming a covers convert. It started with Steve Klink, then Sweet 16,and then yesterday I ordered BYT from CD Baby - AARGH, where will it end? peace, david p.s. Hey Murphy I think the Joni in fiction section is just fine. I know you're a bit sensitive about covers:~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:20:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: We're My Thrill <> Face the facts, David...you won't rest until you have the whole collection from Volume 1 up! ;~)(Currently I'm working on #39!) Realistically, that may not be necessary, although for ME they all have stood up well over time...I mean Gershwin/Cole Porter/Rodgers songs are great songs and I love hearing them sung by whoever. Why should Joni compositions be treated any differently? I would also recommend Lydia van Dam's "Both Sides Now", a superb collection of jazz-influenced vocal renditions, as well as "A Bird That Whistles", a Swedish tribute. Sadly, both of these are out of print, but I'm happy to make copies as you well know. Pazfest should also be on the list...can't remember if you already have that. And our own David Lahm has put out 2 cd's of great jazz Joni covers, which I wouldn't be without. I'm sure these are still in print and available. And as you say, the Fest CD's are proof of the wealth of talent that exists within our own ranks. And who knows? I MIGHT be inspired/cajoled to do another Sweet 16 some day. :~) Bob NP: The Choir, "It's Cold Outside" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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This is a great disappointment given the excellent trading I've enjoyed with other groups Best wishes Paul Read ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:44:30 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: We're My Thrill > And who knows? I MIGHT be inspired/cajoled to do another Sweet 16 some day. > :~) well i think you should - i thought everything about it was quite inspired, the selection, the order - a wonderful tribute to our Ludwig, Dear Joan from Saskatoon. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:42:42 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper/britney rant [>From: "Tom Rodwell" And the top 40 is undeniably a cesspool. It's brave of JM to come out saying it at this time, when superficiality now seems like a desirable prerequisite in popular music. Frank Zappa said similar things throughout his career. As has Steve Albini (Nirvan producer etc), who wrote an excellent article for The Baffler magazine, roughly describing success in the industry as equivalent to swimming through a trench full of horse manure. Of course when they (rich white men) do it, it's cool and cynical and avant-garde. Why should JM be described as bitter when she states the same blindingly obvious thing? ] Nicely said.... I am not upset about what she said because I think she is right, and it takes balls to say some of the things she has. Joni has never been one to mince words. I think being upset with her comments is a bit of an overreaction but alas everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If she wasn't constantly challenging the system then she wouldn't be Joni Mitchell. The only problem I do have with the article is the nerve of that reporter to ask her if she had any advice for Christina or Britney??? How insulting!!! That is really what we should be pissed about. Waste more space in that absolute piece of shit rag to promote Britney or Christina??? They should rename it Whoring Bimbos. It is horrendous and an insult to our intelligence (but lets face it intelligence is not a requirement anymore in "popular" American culture). When are they finally going to pose naked in Playboy or star in a porno together so they can be done with?????? Not soon enough!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:50:17 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Mother Hips I was wondering if anyone out there in Joni-Land knows of the Northern CA based band Mother Hips? Everyone here seems to know alot about different types of music so I thought I'd throw it out there. When I lived in Arcata, CA I saw them play a couple times and when I moved back to NH I saw there CD in a used music store, this lead me to believe maybe they have more of a name for themselves than I realized. They were alot of fun to hear live! Erica NP: GD, "Easy Wind" _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:19:07 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Reuters message boards reactions > For example, I doubt that Joni has "written off" Sting, Morissette and Crow > (whatever it means to "write them off"). Still, such an assertion can get a > rise out of the reader. This is from a Details interview from July of 1996: Joni: Alanis Morissette writes words, someone else helps set it to music, and then she's kind of stylized into the part. To me, Sheryl Crow is a style invention, and I know some of her inventors. As far as Sting is concerned, this is what she had to say: It's been said that Sting wouldn't have come up with his world-music/fusion bit if you hadn't done it first on Hissing. Joni: (laughs) Sting is a tributary of James [Taylor] and me and we call him our son, so whenever I'd see Sting I'd say, "Hello, son." Because for a long time he liked to think of himself as a pioneer blazing new territory, when in fact he wasn't. He did some bold moves, but blaze a trail? No. Me again. I think she's made similar comments about Sting being 'mine & James' illegitimate child'. I don't think she means to completely trash him. She just doesn't think he's necessarily the great innovator that he is sometimes said to be. In fact most of Joni's beefs about other artists have to do with giving credit where credit is due. A lot of musicians who are hailed a trail-blazers are merely following paths that she and others have already trod in Joni's mind. I do agree that there is music worth listening to and if Joni isn't aware of that, then she needs to get a clue. If she is aware of it, it would be nice to see her talking about that for a change rather than trashing what we already know is mostly mediocre at best (top 40 radio). But then again, maybe nobody asks her about independent or non-top 40 music and if they do, maybe her reactions never make it into print. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:25:00 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper blonde in the bleachers wrote: > > I am not upset about what she said because I think she is right, and it > takes balls to say some of the things she has. Joni has never been one > to mince words. I think being upset with her comments is a bit of an > overreaction but alas everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If she > wasn't constantly challenging the system then she wouldn't be Joni > Mitchell. The thing is she's not challenging the system, she's just complaining about it, and has been since "For the Roses" and maybe even before that. So 30 years of hearing the same complaints is a bit tiresome. I'd find her remarks easier to take if she was trying to find some other way of doing things. Perhaps she is but if so, she's not talking about that. Debra Shea NP: Aimee Mann, "I Should've Known" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:40:26 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Ryan Adams Just saw Ryan Adams for the fifth time last night. Anyone here on the list like him? He is a great songwriter and performer... has a wonderful voice, plays both guitar and piano. Anyway, he played an acoustic show here in Chicago last night that was just fabulous. His piano playing reminds me of Joni's, that's why I brought it up... at any rate, he's 28 and while his songs are usually pretty serious stuff about love and failed relationships and all that, he exudes a goofy charm and makes jokes between songs... Heartbreaker is his best record, Gold is not bad, and the new one (Demolition) is pretty good too... he was in an alt-country band called Whiskeytown for some years too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:52:53 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: RE: Please help me get off this list Paul, I would urge you not to act so harshly so quickly. I think perhaps you've just had an unfortunate run in with the wrong listers...When I first joined this list over 2 years ago, and in no time at all, I had managed to double my JM rarities collection. When trades were not possible, I did pay a tiny bit of cash for blanks and postage, but that's all (and there have been an equal number of instances where people have sent me recordings a/o videos out of the pure kindness of their hearts). Since then, my collection has (at least) quadrupled. This list is truly about the love of music. I might add that since I last participated in this community, I did join another list in relation to a band that I've followed since I was about 10. I have to say that, IMHO, we're a very sophisticated and well educated group of Internet-savvy people. You WOULD NOT BELIEVE the sort of nonsense I encountered on this other list. I attempted to organize a CDR tree and lost my patience rather quickly with the amount of totally clueless emails I was getting in response. Finally, the moderator had to step in and offered to take over the tree which is (alas) still in the planning stages. So here I am - and all I ever wanted was just to come in from the cold. - -Chris, out of absentee mode with (gasp) 1886 'only-Joni' messages to review and clear from his JMDL dedicated mailbox...it's nice to be back, Travelogue fever and all. NP: New Ben Folds Live CD....Good Shit! [Original Message] > From: Paul Read > To: > Date: 10/16/2002 1:32:18 PM > Subject: Please help me get off this list > > I joined in the hope of adding a few live/outtake CDRs to my official Joni > CDs. Sadly the only 2 offers I've had wanted a silly amount of money rather > than a genuine trade and I feel I'm wasting my time . This is a great > disappointment given the excellent trading I've enjoyed with other groups > > Best wishes > > Paul Read - --- Christopher Treacy - --- ctreacy1889@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:58:49 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper By challenging I meant her music, not her stance on the music industry or what steps, if any, she is taking to change it. >From: dsk >Reply-To: dsk >To: blonde in the bleachers , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper >Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:25:00 -0400 > >blonde in the bleachers wrote: > > > > I am not upset about what she said because I think she is right, and it > > takes balls to say some of the things she has. Joni has never been one > > to mince words. I think being upset with her comments is a bit of an > > overreaction but alas everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If she > > wasn't constantly challenging the system then she wouldn't be Joni > > Mitchell. > >The thing is she's not challenging the system, she's just complaining >about it, and has been since "For the Roses" and maybe even before that. >So 30 years of hearing the same complaints is a bit tiresome. I'd find >her remarks easier to take if she was trying to find some other way of >doing things. Perhaps she is but if so, she's not talking about that. > >Debra Shea > >NP: Aimee Mann, "I Should've Known" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:43:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Reuters message boards reactions <> In the last little "blurb" interview she did in RS, about a year and a half or so ago, she commented that she enjoyed the New Radicals CD, which I thought was cool as I had just discovered it around the same time. I'm with Kakki - she needs to sign up on her list and she'll hear about more good new music than she can shake her "crotchety" stick at! ;~) Bob NP: Aimee Mann, "Deathly" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:14:53 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Reuters message boards reactions > I'm with Kakki - she needs to sign up on her list and she'll hear about > more good new music than she can shake her "crotchety" stick at! ;~) > I was thinking about this the other day as well. Like most of us, I suspect, I fantasize about recording an album and becoming a critically acclaimed singer (interpreter in my fantasy, since I don't write songs). If that were to ever happen (maybe in an alternate universe or a galaxy far, far away), I would log off of this discussion list as fast as I could and never, *never* subscribe to it again! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:38:00 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper blonde in the bleachers wrote: > > By challenging I meant her music, not her stance on the music industry > or what steps, if any, she is taking to change it. Your comment was about her remarks about the music biz, the "system", so no wonder I misunderstood. I agree completely that her music is challenging listening. Debra Shea > >blonde in the bleachers wrote: > > > > If she > > > wasn't constantly challenging the system then she wouldn't be Joni > > > Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:57:04 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Travelogue cover art In a message dated 10/16/2002 1:00:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > Well, I'm a little disappointed in the cover art. Granted, the protrait > itself is gorgeous, but isn't this the third CD with the same artwork idea? > TTT, TI, and now Travelogue? I completely agree Steve! With Joni concentrating on her artwork so much these days, I would think she could have come up with something more interesting. If she was leaning on her hand and elbow, I would think it was BSN again. The is the kind of cover that if the average person picked up "Travelogue" while browsing in the record store, they's say "Oh I already have this one". Not a smart marketing move IMO. (better than a hat box though :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:53:44 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni's Travelogue cover art/track listing The is the kind of cover that if the average person picked up > "Travelogue" while browsing in the record store, they's say "Oh I already > have this one". Not a smart marketing move IMO. (better than a hat box > though :~) I agree...also is it just me or does the first cd seem to contain many heavy more intense songs all in a row that are maybe not as accessible as some others would have been...from a marketing perspective, it doesn't seem like the best selection and/or order...I'm just wondering what the average fan reaction will be... and I really think that the cover art cound have been a little more inspired...it doesn't seem to go with the material...or maybe that same shade of green just triggers an image of TTT which is kind of weird in itself... Victor NP: Beck "Lonesome Tears".....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:00:32 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Was Re: Joni on the music biz ...Now Nonesuch On 17 Oct 2002 at 1:49, Tom Rodwell wrote: > > I really doubt if Joni is isolated from new music (her decision to go > with Nonesuch shows that - deeply cool label), and On 15 Oct 2002 at 8:25, Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > < will release her new album, "Travelogue" in November. >> > > Thanks for sharing this article, Bryan...I take it as a VERY GOOD > sign, and have said that it's something that Joni should have done a > long time ago. Here's hoping that her marketing strategies change for > the better! Also encouraged that it sounds like there's much more to > come from her...dare I say it? New songs! There - I said it! ;~) > and On 15 Oct 2002 at 3:23, BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Interesting that a new deal with the new label was signed, apparently, > at the last minute, just before the new CD release. I guess the artist > decided this will not be the swan song and wanted to sign on for > multiple releases (my hunch is a total of three on the new contract) > and that the powers-that-be at Warner/AOL nudged (or forced) her over > to the more boutiquish, less commercial Nonesuch label (which has an > impressive lineup of artists but is decidedly less mainstream than > Reprise). I suppose the facts around all this will come to light soon > enough (if it matters; I am curious at least). > This is just my opinion (I'm working on getting the background story), but I don't think Joni's move to Nonesuch is so much an artistic choice as it is a financial and marketing one. First of all, it's not an independent - it's owned by Warner Music. And that means that her new record will be in the same hands as her catalog - WEA Distribution. That is where everyone involved gets the big bang - using new releases to promote the catalog. If Nonesuch was not a WEA distributed label, I don't think she would be there. Tom Whalley, the chairman of Warner/Reprise has been nothing but clear since he arrived last year about rejuvenating those labels as pop labels and increasing market share. He came from Interscope - a big spend, big sales kind of label. Joni's new music doesn't fit that plan. Nonesuch works mostly because the marketing spend will be lower, a smaller staff will be used to get the record out and costs will be appropriate for the level of sales. Brenda n.p.: Sly & the Family Stone- "Fun" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:33:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: nonesuch http://www.nonesuch.com i can't find joni anywhere on this site..i did a search...nonesuch person is there! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:18:53 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: nonesuch On 16 Oct 2002 at 14:33, Kate Bennett wrote: > http://www.nonesuch.com > > i can't find joni anywhere on this site..i did a search...nonesuch > person is there! > From the home page, click on Popular Music. She's the first title listed. B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:21:06 -0400 From: "Yael" Subject: travelogue and other snippets (SJC) hi all- i went and looked at nonesuch's website... and i don't mind the cover, but it does seem like treading some old ground. did anyone else notice that "for the roses" clocks in at 7:28!? i mean, i know orchestral versions tend to be long and drawn out, but i can't imagine a tight little piece like 'for the roses' almost doubled... i'm looking forward to hearing this album... but, and i know lots of people agree and lots of others disagree, i don't have high hopes for liking it. i'm keeping an open mind though! in other upcoming-release-land, is anyone besides myself excited about the new tori album coming out in 2 weeks?! i have heard snippets from all the songs and a few sound like they're going to be GREAT. and how cool is it that bob and brenda were both listening to aimee mann! i love her. (i especially love the song 'i should've known', brenda). how sad am i that she isn't playing detroit. but i'd be more sad if she were because i'll be in LA while she's in the midwest. ah the irony. speaking of, aimee was listed to play in the Vanity Fair benefit at the Wiltern in LA on nov 5 along with neil finn and lucinda williams, etc. does anyone know if aimee is still playing that show? she doesn't appear to be listed there anymore... (and is anyone going? can anyone score tickets?! anyone want to pick me up from calabasas and drop me off again after the concert? i didn't think so...) hugs, yael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: paul mccloud Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #429 thought id say hi --i joined this list. saw a thing about joni saying most music is bad ,, it really isnt music anymore its noise - --- JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 16 2002 > Volume 2002 : Number 429 > > > > The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by > Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It > contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, > lyrics and much much more. > > The JMDL website can be found at > http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, > archives, and much more. > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Today's Library Links: October 16 > [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Release Dates: COURT And Spark, MILES Of > Aisles [simon@icu.com] > Pop Idle/American Ideal/ Canadian idyl > [Gordon Mackie RE: hold the phone! NJC > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > NJC > [colin ] > A Night w/ Bruce Springsteen NJC > [RoseMJoy@aol.com] > Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper ["Tom Rodwell" NJC Re: joni mention in usa today > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Nonesuch question > [Engwall57@aol.com] > Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #424 - Joni at > supermarket [Engwall57@aol.com] > Re: Nonesuch question ["Reuben > Bell" ] > Re: Nonesuch question [Jerry Notaro > ] > Re: Nonesuch question > [Les Irvin ] > Re: Nonesuch question > ["Brenda" ] > Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #428 - "Getting Out > More" NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] > Joni's Travelogue cover art [Steve Polifka > ] > We're My Thrill ["J.David > Sapp" ] > NJC getting on > [colin ] > Re: We're My Thrill - njc > [Murphycopy@aol.com] > Bali, NJC ["Laurent > Olszer" ] > Teach Your Children, NJC ["Laurent > Olszer" ] > Re: We're My Thrill > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: Joni's Travelogue cover art > [Murphycopy@aol.com] > Please help me get off this list ["Paul > Read" Re: We're My Thrill ["J.David > Sapp" ] > Re: Bali, NJC ["Lavieri, Vince > [185776]" ] > Re: NJC getting on ["Erica > Trudelle" ] > Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper/britney rant ["blon] > Mother Hips ["Erica > Trudelle" ] > Re: Bali, NJC ["Laurent > Olszer" ] > Mother Hips (NJC) ["Erica > Trudelle" ] > Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper (njc) ["Kate Bennet] > Re: Teach Your Children, NJC (and let your > children teach you!) [Bob.Mull] > Re: Reuters message boards reactions ["Mark > or Travis" Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper [dsk NJC Re: Please help me get off this list > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Ryan Adams [David > Sadowski ] > RE: Please help me get off this list > ["Christopher Treacy" Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper ["blonde in the ble] > Re: Reuters message boards reactions > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: Reuters message boards reactions ["Mark > or Travis" NJC NP: New Ben Folds Live CD.... > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper [dsk Re: Joni's Travelogue cover art > [FMYFL@aol.com] > Re: NJC Re: Please help me get off this list > [Mags N Brei > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:06:42 -0400 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today's Library Links: October 16 > > On October 16 the following items were > published: > > 1985: "Joni Mitchell Takes Up Topicality" - New > York Times > (Review - Album) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/851016nyt.cfm > > 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Patriot Ledger > (Review - Album) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981016pl.cfm > > 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Dayton Daily News > (Review - Album) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981016ddn.cfm > > 2001: "Mitchell, Atwood will see stars " - > Toronto Sun > (News Item) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/011016ts.cfm > > > - -------- > Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:17:09 -0400 > From: simon@icu.com > Subject: Release Dates: COURT And Spark, MILES > Of Aisles > > Chihuahua50@aol.com writes > > ----- > > For some reason I have this idea that I > gave someone a copy of > > Miles of Aisles as a Christmas present > before Court and Spark > > was released. But according to > jonimitchell.com Miles of Aisles > > as released after Court and Spark. The date > on both cds is 1974. > > Does anyone know the months they were > released. > > ----- > > > > COURT AND SPARK was released in January 1974 > and debuted on Billboard's > Popular Albums charts on February 9, 1974. The > album peaked at #2, > spent 64 weeks on the charts and eventually > went double platinum. > > BTW: there was an earlier little taste when > Asylum records released > the 'No Sax' version of "Raised On > Robbery" on a Promo LP sent > to radio broadcasters "Elektra/Asylum > Fall 1973 Releases" > (EK-Promo-22). > > > > MILES OF AISLES was released in November 1974 > and debuted on Billboard's > Popular Album charts on December 14, 1974. > This album also peaked at #2, > and spent 22 weeks on the charts; not too > shabby for a Live LP. > MOA is a certified gold album. > > > > > for now ~ take care, > - ------- > simon > === message truncated === Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:44:28 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Nonesuch question In a message dated 16/10/2002 17:15:01 GMT Daylight Time, Engwall57@aol.com writes: << What other musicians record, or have recorded, on the Nonesuch label? In addition to those already mentioned, let's not forget the wonderful Robin Holcomb - and Bill Frisell, one of my favourite guitarists. Azeem in London NP: Beth Orton (with Ryan Adams) - Concrete Sky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re:JMDL Digest V2002 #424 - Joni at supermarket Ruth wrote: I have heard a lot of C&S - Just Like This Train, Twisted, maybe even Trouble Child. Lately I can't leave my supermarket without hearing Joni - when did Jewel Foods get soo hip!? They play Car On a Hill, Raised on Robbery and all that you mentioned above... and I might add I sing right along. I am officially one of those nuts who sings outloud on the street & in stores. And I toss in snapping fingers for good measure. Nobody ever bothers me! Ahh - Joni has given me such freedom! Peace, Susan Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:37:39 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: nonesuch > On 16 Oct 2002 at 14:33, Kate Bennett wrote: > > > http://www.nonesuch.com > > > > i can't find joni anywhere on this site..i did a search...nonesuch > > person is there! > > > > From the home page, click on Popular Music. She's the first title listed. > > B I found her by going to 'New Releases' on the bar on the left and from there clicking on 'Upcoming Releases' in the upper right corner of that layout. As far as the cover goes, I like what I can see of it. It's really hard to tell what the entire package is going to be like until we get it in our hot little hands, now isn't it? But from what I can see, this portrait looks to me like she's looking out of a window - maybe the window of a ferry or a car or a pontoon plane or a taxi or a train. I love the fact that half or the face is in shadow. I suppose if that is cigarette smoke we can rule out the pontoon plane, though. ;-) It also makes me think of Edward Hopper as others of Joni's paintings have. At any rate, there seems to be a marvelous rendering of depth and dimension that some have complained about there being a lack of in Joni's painting. She looks like she could open her mouth and speak to you at any moment. The shadow also gives the portrait a mysterious quality. And maybe this is a portrayal of her duality, shadows and light, both sides now, yin and yang what with the face being partially in shadow and partially in the light, eh? Or maybe it's emerging from the shadow? Mark E in Seattle not an art critic but 'I know what I like' (and it just might go with that sofa too - I said get down off of there!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:50:02 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Vocal ranges (SJC) In the article about Joni in the new "Rolilng Stone," as read from the link in Wednesday's digest (I haven't bought a paper copy yet,) Joni credits her old self with a three-octave vocal range. Here is a short list of vocal ranges claimed by, or for, several other women that I've read of recently: Three octaves Les Sampou (who just performed at the Delmarva Folk Festival) Bet Williams A local/regional type who performed at one of a series of noontime concerts last May in Denton, Md. (I didn't go). Four octaves Julia Fordham Seven octaves (!) Kate Bush Who can add to this list? Feel free to add for men, also. Let's generally stay with singer-songwriters; I'm not sure including, say, opera singers would be useful. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:29:46 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Well well well I have to say, that I hadn't heard this album for about twenty years, having once loaned out my vinyl copy - never to be seen again. I was recently offered a CD version as a gift, nearly completing my Joni inventory. I'm thrilled, I really am. The music sounds so good, and the two records fit onto one CD!. I remember thinking it was a weird and uneven album - an interesting but flawed jewel. As a young man in my twenties, I couldn't relate to the symphonic interlude in Paprika Plains, for example. Today, it's my favorite song on the album! That's interesting - What changed in the interim? I enjoy all the cuts now. I feel like I've opened up to this music, more attuned to it than ever before. It's a gas. The album is also edgy - not at all an *easy listening* experience. By the way, who's Martha? Michaelo in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Vocal ranges (SJC) Seven octaves (!) Kate Bush I'm having trouble understanding how this is humanly possible. Can anyone confirm? Mariah Carey's press info says 6 octaves, but that turned out to be a big ol' lie. Dar Williams, 3 octaves according to her press materials Jenny Timothy Spong wrote:In the article about Joni in the new "Rolilng Stone," as read from the link in Wednesday's digest (I haven't bought a paper copy yet,) Joni credits her old self with a three-octave vocal range. Here is a short list of vocal ranges claimed by, or for, several other women that I've read of recently: Three octaves Les Sampou (who just performed at the Delmarva Folk Festival) Bet Williams A local/regional type who performed at one of a series of noontime concerts last May in Denton, Md. (I didn't go). Four octaves Julia Fordham Seven octaves (!) Kate Bush Who can add to this list? Feel free to add for men, also. Let's generally stay with singer-songwriters; I'm not sure including, say, opera singers would be useful. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:30:52 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: nonesuch I know - why should I even post this because it's a me, too and a lot expect me to say it anyway, lol, but I love the cover painting, too!! From the little thumbnail image I see, I think it's a GREAT painting and look forward to picking up the litho(s). Thanks Mark for sharing the excitement ;-) Kakki > As far as the cover goes, I like what I can see of it. It's really hard to > tell what the entire package is going to be like until we get it in our hot > little hands, now isn't it? > But from what I can see, this portrait looks to me like she's looking out of > a window - maybe the window of a ferry or a car or a pontoon plane or a taxi > or a train. I love the fact that half or the face is in shadow. I suppose > if that is cigarette smoke we can rule out the pontoon plane, though. ;-) > It also makes me think of Edward Hopper as others of Joni's paintings have. > At any rate, there seems to be a marvelous rendering of depth and dimension > that some have complained about there being a lack of in Joni's painting. > She looks like she could open her mouth and speak to you at any moment. The > shadow also gives the portrait a mysterious quality. And maybe this is a > portrayal of her duality, shadows and light, both sides now, yin and yang > what with the face being partially in shadow and partially in the light, eh? > Or maybe it's emerging from the shadow? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:06:30 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: nonesuch In a message dated 10/16/02 10:54:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > I think it's a GREAT painting and look forward > to picking up the litho(s). Thanks Mark for sharing the excitement ;-) > Kakki and Mark, I also think it's a GREAT painting, it does show a different light and mood of Joni, BUT I think we are all biased when it comes to Joni. I can't think of a decent analogy, but it's almost like the Beatles had put out a follow up to the "White Album" in an off white color. I just know of many of my non joni friends who really liked BSN. They don't give a hoot about "Hejira" or her wonderful artwork. I just see the average person looking at this cover and thinking "Oh, I already have that one". .........however, maybe Joni doesn't give a hoot about *average* people buying her albums. Just my humble opinion. Jimmy ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #305 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)