From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #299 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 299 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Seasonal Joni [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] Re: Seasonal Joni [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: joni only - self absorption [Engwall57@aol.com] new joni traditions ["Marianne Rizzo" ] [none] ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Pazfest CDs [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Don't it always seem to be a possible Joni pop lit reference? (sjc, but not much) [BigWaltin] Quick question about Joni books on Amazon.com [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] 31 Blue Years ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Seasonal Joni [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Don't it always seem to be a possible Joni pop lit reference? (sjc, but n... [FMYF] re: powering up the "electricity" thread ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: new joni traditions ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Fixin' Transcriptions [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: the joys of baseball [vince ] Apologies to Joni Onlies [vince ] Re: the joys of baseball [colin ] miscellaneous music morsels [anne@sandstrom.com] roberto's birthday! [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: CMIAR & PazFest [Bobsart48@aol.com] My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . . [Murphyc] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:25:33 -0400 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: Seasonal Joni hi everyone. i love this thread. my strangest seasonal joni association is "hejira," which for me will always be a *summer* album. i know, i know, despite the wintry cover and the chilly emotional tone and "thaw out or freeze"...but i discovered hejira right when i needed it, which happened to be the beginning of a long, hot, airconditionerless summer in brooklyn--when i'd left a man i had been living with for a while and moved, heartbroken, to a great apartment in a wonderful old school brooklyn neighborhood, fort greene. hejira got me to come out swinging again--i would play it on my crappy discman as i walked through fort greene park, and on the D/Q train stuck over the manhattan bridge, and on my tiny player in the kitchen, as i figured out all the joys of cooking for one again! "song for sharon," especially, that new york song, was like a gift joni had wrapped up and sent to me--honestly!--RIGHT when i needed it. so, despite all the iceskating visuals, for me hejira will always conjure summer--and brooklyn. and a tough but strengthening time. actually, though, because hejira was written on a long, lone cross country road trip--maybe i'm justified in the summer association-- don't know when joni took hers, but all of my own long road trips have come in the summer (and, of course, were ALSO airconditioner-less!) - -- emily, in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:46:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Seasonal Joni <> Great post, Emily...(don't worry, I'll not make any 'Emily Post' remarks! ; ~D) Hejira covers all 4 seasons for me...Four Seasons in 1 day, if you will: She doesn't specifically reference seasons - except for the skaters on Wollman Rink - and the June calendar in that service station (and you don't really know if it's current) - and those beautiful "white flags of winter chimneys", but lordy the images are SO vivid in these songs, they evoke feelings of spring/summer/fall/winter...one of the many reasons why there's never been another record like this one for me. By anyone. Ever. Bob NP: Elvis Costello/Brian Eno, "My Dark Life" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Driving >around in the car, with the windows down, and MOA cranked to the max - > >it's an annual ritual for me >Jack This is beautiful Jack. . . I love the idea of starting some new and meaningful traditions. . . especially those centered around the eqinox and solstices. (many of the present traditions don't always cut it enough for me.) But I could go for this one, first day of spring. . . Remind me. And then maybe we can all do it. . . roll down our windows . . . play Miles of Aisles. . . it could be like some kind of harmonic convergence. . . :) Even joni friends in different parts of the world can roll down their windows on March 20 or 21 (?) . . sorry if it may be cold. . . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:23:41 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:45:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: song to a seagull >song to a >seagull.. >maybe its will always have a special hold on me as it was my first >introduction to joni...many power of moons ago when i was a young >girl...i >think it is also a perfect summer changing to autumn album... Kate. . . it sounds like you might be starting the summer into fall tradition. . . (which you posted first, and I inadvertantly left this out of my first seasonal traditon remark. . . scuse me, a little disheveled in my reading here). Let's listen to STAS every summer into fall equinox. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:30:05 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: Pazfest CDs Michael, the Pazfest CDs have arrived! In fact they arrived incredibly early, I think you sent them on Saturday and they were here in London waiting for me on Wednesday when I came home from work. I did not have time to listen that day so I listened yesterday and I LOVE them! Even my teenage son was intrigued! (To Joni-onlies: these are Joni covers so this is Joni content, right? Do tell me if I'm wrong!) I really admire each and every person on the recording, but just to mention a few: Jack Neilson - pity only one song but a great reminder what a beautiful voice the man has - I feel so proud he joined us at Jonifest! Kim Prevost/Bill Salley: I love that jazzy version of BSN! Denise Marie Band: great, just great! (but then I want to say that about everybody else too...) you, Michael, with your pals, doing beautiful talented versions of some of my favourite songs (Amelia, Hejira)! Bryan Thomas - well what can I say? I'm still drooling since Blue Moon - I hope his wife remembers the deal I did with her! (just appreciating talent, of course :-) ) In other words: thank you so much for this wonderful CD set! And congratulations to Frida for the excellent artwork! Rushing home now to listen again! Lieve. _____________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:06:50 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Don't it always seem to be a possible Joni pop lit reference? (sjc, but not much) Hi, Bob (and all), My "easy reading" version of comfort food is to read usually re-read) one of Robert M. Parker's "Spenser" (detective) novels. (If you're not immediately familiar with the books, he's a fun, quick read, and the characters feel like family after 30 years of these books; also, in the '80's there was a TV show named "Spenser for Hire" starring Robert Urich, if anyone cares or remembers; also, if there are Jonilistas who are also Trekkies, Avery Brooks played Hawk. Anyhoo, Spenser is always quoting Shakespeare, Shelley, Byron, you name it, but at one point in Sudden Mischief [itself a literary reference to *Edmund* Spenser's "The Fairie Queen" (ahem), in which someone says "Be well aware," quoth then the Ladie milde,/"Least suddaine mischiefe ye too rash provoke"], Spenser mutters "Don't it always seem to go." Surely seems like a Joni reference to me, but I don't know whether the expression originated with her, or whether she merely made it popular (anybody know?). I also know that Janet Jackson used a loop of Joni's original Big Yellow Taxi, with her permission, in a song a coupla years back. So, in case you want it, Smurph, there it is. On page 185 of Parker's "Sudden Mischief", published by G. P. Putnams's Sons, New York, Copyright 1998 by Robert B. Parker. Ciao, Smurfino, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:15:19 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Quick question about Joni books on Amazon.com Hi again, gang Someone gave me a gift certificate for amazon.com a while back, so naturally i went there, and found a fair amount of Joni stuff -- but there was a confusing thing -- I want to buy that book which has all of her lyrics and poetry -- but there were two listed with similar names, one dated 1997, which I suspect is the real deal, and one dated 1999, which I suspect isn't. Should I go with the '97 dealy? What might the the '99 book be? A typo? A rip-off/illegal copy? Or was there an updated version published after TtT came out? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:35:43 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: 31 Blue Years brian - i always heard this metaphorically, i.e. marry, not in a legal sense, me or hold me here (anchor me) or let me go (or let me sail away). giving her paramour the power to decide. stunnig songwriting. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:37:07 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Seasonal Joni Thanks for sharing your beautiful Hejira memories. I Have similar feelings about Hejira--side 1 is very much a winter theme, and side two is all about spring and summer. And Song for Sharon is a New York classic to me (same for Harry's House). Spring Along the Ditches, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:46:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't it always seem to be a possible Joni pop lit reference? (sjc, but n... Big Walt writes: > "Don't it always seem to go." Surely seems like a Joni > reference to me, but I don't know whether the expression originated with > her, > or whether she merely made it popular (anybody know?). I have heard the expression "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till you have to drag it up three flights of stairs." but that was probably after Joni :~) Jimmy Time flies like an eagle. Fruit flies like a banana. - -- Groucho Marx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:54:35 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: powering up the "electricity" thread Susan wrote: <> I received a few replies at the time, but they were all off the list. Come on you guys! Don't be so shy! :) << I am still interested in hearing if others hear Joni in other artists as well and pointing out those similarities.>> Disclaimer: The following is pure speculation on my part. As a child, I was forced to listen to John Denver because my father was an obsessed fan (what's that?). I used to think whoever wrote "The Wedding Song" copied the melody from Denver's "Rhymes and Reasons". It wasn't until I discovered Joni Mitchell some years later that I realized "Cactus Tree" also has similar melody. "Cactus Tree" was written a year before "Rhymes and Reasons". Coincidence? Time of Man? Or did Denver think he could get away with this, thinking Joni as a woman would never make it bigtime? Shame on me for thinking this. After looking at the lyrics again, I now think he wrote this song for Joni. 'So you speak to me of sadness and the coming of the winter' - (Joni's early work was indeed sad and many songs were about the winter like "Urge for Going", "Winter Lady", etc..) 'Fear that is within you now that seems to never end' - (Joni's 'fear is like a wilderland' from "I Think I Understand") 'And the dreams that have escaped you' - (Joni's 'my dreams with the seagulls fly out of reach, out of cry') 'Though the cities start to crumble and the towers fall around us' -(Joni's 'But sand castles crumble') I've noticed other similarities in Denver's early works like "Sunshine On My Shoulders" - the melody for these particular title lyrics go up and down like Joni's 'with sun on my shoulders'. Also with Denver's "Eagle and the Hawk" 'and all who believe in me share in the freedom I feel when I fly' compared to Joni's 'share in the freedom of all flying things'. There are others, but this is just from the top of my head. Phoebe Snow's "Poetry Man" makes me think of Joni's "He Comes For Conversation". Fleetwood Mac's "Tell Me Lies" makes me think of Joni's "The Last Time I Saw Richard". I've also heard similarities in Heart and Steven Tyler's work, but the songs escape my memory right now. What about the reverse? Can anyone think of any songs Joni has written that might parallel an earlier song by another artist? I've always wondered if "Borderline" was inspired by David Crosby's "Tracks in the Dust" (great song) and if Crosby is her 'opinionated friend'? Mia NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers -"Falling Into Grace" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:54:10 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Quick question about Joni books on Amazon.com <> Yes, Walt, the book was re-released in a revised printing after TTT to add those lyrics. Hopefully they will have to revise it again after her next release of NEW SONGS! :~) The real pisser was that the JMDL sent them lots of corrections, and they didn't make any of them! Bob NP: Gene Allison, "Reap What You Sow" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Has the same shuffle syncopated sound and guitar textures, to my ears anyway. Bob NP: Jimmie Liggins, "Boogie Woogie King" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:30:29 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Re: Seasonal Ken wrote: Any other listers care to weigh in with their seasonal or environmental associations? FTR is all summer to me, for a couple reasons. When my daughter was first born (in a New England June heatwave) the only way she would sleep was if I had her in the sling and paced around the front lawn singing "For The Roses", it's forever branded into my memory like that. But in general the entire album is summery to me, Barangrill, See You Sometime, Judgement of the Moon and Stars, all remind me of warm breezes thru summer screen doors, twilights at 8pm and open blue skies. Hejira, all winter, I think I am influenced by the cover motif and the serveral references to winter made in the lyrics. But the whole feeling of the album is winter, several songs make me think of shifting pond ice, frosted rooftops, silent snowfalls. Coyote is like the beginning of winter, being in denial of the cold's decent and wanting one last hoorah..all the songs that follow are the dead of winter, until Refuge, the entire song is like the feeling of spring on the horizon, the trickling of melting snow forming tiny streams. Ok enough out of me! I could go on, I am a big association person, songs and memories go hand in hand, they always bring me back to somewhere or someone. Erica NP: Talk To Me _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:24:24 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: new joni traditions > it could be like some kind of harmonic convergence. . . Or a "harmony convergence" with a lot of out of tune voices ... : ) ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:29:02 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Fixin' Transcriptions In a message dated 10/11/02 10:56:22 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: << Yes, Walt, the book was re-released in a revised printing after TTT to add those lyrics. Hopefully they will have to revise it again after her next release of NEW SONGS! :~) The real pisser was that the JMDL sent them lots of corrections, and they didn't make any of them! >> Thanks, Bob, as always -- I'll get the '99 version, then. Re: errors found, corrected, and ignored. I will *never* understand that. I've found errors in the published sheet piano-and-voice music of at least half a dozen songs -- I'm not referring to mere oversimplification, I mean out-and-out mistranscriptions -- I'm sure I'm not the only one to have noticed them, and surely some friend-of-Joni must have caught them, etc. Don't official, published sheet music collections have editors who can read music? It seems once something's been published, thus it stays. Although I noticed there were special editions of "Hits" for people interested in Joni's unique tunings. Wonder who was behind that? One of us'uns? Thanks again, Bob, and best to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:26:44 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: the joys of baseball dsk wrote: > > > Ahhh, here it's a manly man game, with no extra padding as in our > football, so it's possible to see every muscle, every straining sinew... > you get the idea. > Which is why I always wonder why i am always the only (or one of the very few) gay men at games - what is there not to like? And look at all there is to like... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:31:35 -0400 From: vince Subject: Apologies to Joni Onlies I just sent a really stupid post without the NJC tag and I want to apologize immediately Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:35:43 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: the joys of baseball > Which is why I always wonder why i am always the only (or one of the very > few) gay men at games - I am sure you are not. unless the audience is very very smalll. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: miscellaneous music morsels We've got the start of some interesting threads, so I'm putting all my responses in this email. Thanks to Brian Symes for your reflections on Blue. I just listened to the album the other day for the first time in a while. The song that got to me most was Little Green. I could really hear the sorrow in her voice. (I was also aware for the first time of where Joni "punched in" lines. By her own admission, she was barely able to sing a complete song without crying, during these sessions.) Kate mentioned Pirate of Penance. You're right, Kate. This song is highly unusual. I've tried dissecting the form, but it's just too hard to classify. Joni wrote this so early in her career, yet it's a very sophisticated piece of music. I've often wished that Joni had expanded this song to an operetta. She certainly was able to do something unique in the pop/folk genre. This song is pure theatre a la Gilbert and Sullivan. CMIAR - The threads of melody are complex and interwoven. layered one on top of the other. After listening to the rest of the album, I always find it jarring when I get to "A Bird That Whistles" because the melody is so predominant. I'd love to hear an orchestral version of this album - no vocals, just instruments. I think the beauty of this songs would then be more apparent. It's almost as though Joni wrote lyrics for and sings all the melody and harmony parts from instrumental pieces. Ken asked about seasonal associations. The only Joni song that I really think of as seasonal is "Urge for Going," and then I consider the Tom Rush version to be the definitive one. Even "River" isn't strictly a Christmas song to me. and now the non-Joni: Joseph Palis recognized Sheena Easton. I think her crisp, strong vocal ability is underrated. Her version of "Wind Beneath My Wings" blows away anyone else's. Jerry Notaro and Blair Fraipont discussed Laura Nyro. I find it hard to listen to her music, but not because I don't like it. On the contrary. I'm always amazed at how much I like her songs - call it superstition, but she lost her battle to ovarian cancer and I don't intend to lose mine. Why listening to Laura Nyro's music would affect that, I don't know... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:13:35 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: roberto's birthday! i hope you all will join me in wishing a most happy birthday to everyone's favorite list member, and my wonderful friend, robert holliston. come on listers! get your ya ya's out for roberto! he's a comfort and a mercy, through and through. bless you robert!! love to all, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:52:25 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: CMIAR & PazFest Not making any excuses for CMIAR - I play it quite a lot because I like it. I think it is uniformly artistic - especially difficult when the production is elaborate. To me, it has an artist's touch to it - not heavy handed and judgmental like DED, and not as uneven as WTRF (which I find to be a mix of the sublime and the boorish). Really, those 3 recordings are not comparable - they are quite different as audio paintings. And, I like all three of them. Really, she has never made a lousy album - though I still do not 'get' Mingus, really. Speaking of the 80's albums - not one song from them in the PazFest tribute album. Maybe they are just too difficult to capture successfully, with all of the production aspects. Anyway, for those of you who have not yet ordered your copy (or 5) - what are y'all waiting for ? It's a really fun and fine recording - great job, Michael ! And it's a good cause ! No excuses everyone - if you haven't done so yet, time to get with the program. Bob S. ' NP - The Priest (Danzig and Wooley) - from the PazFest double CD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:59:44 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . . MY GAWD ! ! ! Ever wish you could explain your Joni obsession to friends, lovers, neighbors, and the occasional, troublesome homocide detective with a bad raincoat and haircut? Well, here's great news! MY GAWD ! ! ! This 2-CD set has nothing but Joni content. Dreams and schemes and coffee percolators and pachyderms and catapiller tractors and beautiful foolish arms. How can you resist? Fall in. Given the variety of the performers and the level of their performances, this is the Joni gift that just keeps on giving everyone on your holiday gift list more reasons to love Joni. MY GAWD . . . THERE'S MORE? What's more, every PazFest CD you buy benefits the constuction of the new Ruth Paz burns center. This means that, for the first time, children in Honduras will get the all-important 'pre-treatment' they need for their burns. Basically, what we all take for granted in other parts of the world -- quick treatment for children who have been burned -- doesn't exist in Honduras. Buy this PazFest CD and you'll help change that. But back to the PazFest CD . . . MY GAWD ! ! ! I didn't know I LIKED JONI MITCHELL THAT MUCH ! ! ! I don't want to mention any names but BRYAN THOMAS just leaked out! MY GAWD, how can a man own one of Joni's most personal and confessional songs ("Little Green") and make it his own? And you know, there's lots, lots more! MY GAWD ! ! ! I'll stop there, even though I am hearing other incredible stuff from these CDs right now. This PazFest 2-CD set is a remarkable thing for any Joni lover to own. The performances are ALL great, and it's a great way to finally clue people in to what you've been talking about all these years. MY GAWD, SANTA ! ! ! This holiday season, what are you planning to give all those people you've been trying to save from lives of quiet desperation? Socks? Lottery scratch tickets? McDonald's gift certificates? Hell, no. This year, give them the gift of PazFest . . . and save them from themselves! MY GAWD ! ! ! IT'S SO EASY ! ! ! Just go to www.jmdl.com and check out how easy it is to order PazFest for everyone on your gift list. They need it. XO, - --Bob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #299 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)