From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #293 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 293 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: October 6 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] a new Joni page (for me) [vince ] Re: a new Joni page (for me) [Mags N Brei ] Re: Fw: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - 800 number to the [anne@] RE: a new Joni page (for me) ["Augusto Kestelboim" ] Re: Fw: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - 800 number to the ["mac] Re: the war within ["mack watson-bush" ] Fw: Fw: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - 800 number to the ["kase] Still Vital After All These Years [Chihuahua50@aol.com] Re: Still Vital After All These Years [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Diana Krall/Michael Brecker/James Taylor [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Still Vital After All These Years [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Counting Crows BYT Cover [Michael Paz ] Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG ["kakki" Subject: a new Joni page (for me) "By the time we got to Woodstock we were half a million strong And everywhere there was song and celebration And I dreamed I saw the bombers riding shotgun in the sky And they were turning into butterflies above our nation..." - - Woodstock - Joni Mitchell 1969 - Looking for the lyrics quote, I came upon http://www.geocities.com/musica_holm/joni.html I wish I read Spanish better! Some fascinating commentary (as far as I can read) and great pictures, great other stuff, some of which I hadn't seen before! Anyone have any knowledge of this site, or can contact the owner of the site and make some contact? Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 06:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: a new Joni page (for me) - --- vince wrote: > > > Looking for the lyrics quote, I came upon > http://www.geocities.com/musica_holm/joni.html > > > > Anyone have any knowledge of this site, or can contact the owner of > the > site and make some contact? > Perhaps Mike in Barcelona can help with the translation . Mags np: XPN ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 07:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Fw: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - 800 number to the Brenda, Your response said much of what I wanted to. And, I have to agree that I read some antagonism into your post, Kasey, whether you meant it or not. I'd be interested to hear from those who support a war against Iraq. I have a few specific questions: - - What specifically is the rationale for the U.S. making the first strike? - - What is the overriding reason for war now? (Why war? Why now?) (The weapons didn't appear last week. They've been there for years.) - - If you feel there is danger of Saddam Hussein using weapons of mass destruction, do you think the danger is less likely under a different regime? I personally find the push for war ludicrous. The fact that so many are willing to listen to a president who reduces foreign policy to personal vendetta says something about where we are right now. Yes, the U.S. and the world were terribly wronged on September 11. But I hope we are a nation of laws, and those laws preclude action such as that which is being proposed in Washington. I hope for peace and eventual understanding. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:05:15 -0300 From: "Augusto Kestelboim" Subject: RE: a new Joni page (for me) Sorry, folks, this is not Spanish, it is Portuguese. Probably written in Brazil. I will try to translate and distribute. Please be aware that my Portuguese is as limited as my English! Try these too: http://www.geocities.com/musica_holm/joniabre.html http://www.geocities.com/to_candylane/pt1.html mailto:anapaulalaux@hotmail.com (page owner?) Augusto - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de vince Enviado el: Domingo, 06 de Octubre de 2002 10:30 a.m. Para: joni Asunto: a new Joni page (for me) "By the time we got to Woodstock we were half a million strong And everywhere there was song and celebration And I dreamed I saw the bombers riding shotgun in the sky And they were turning into butterflies above our nation..." - - Woodstock - Joni Mitchell 1969 - Looking for the lyrics quote, I came upon http://www.geocities.com/musica_holm/joni.html I wish I read Spanish better! Some fascinating commentary (as far as I can read) and great pictures, great other stuff, some of which I hadn't seen before! Anyone have any knowledge of this site, or can contact the owner of the site and make some contact? Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 08:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: the war within Please excuse the fragmenting of my responses. I'm currently on digest. Kasey said: To say this is retaliatory for his father is a childish and uninformed statement. This is precisely what Mr. Bush himself indicated this week. I agree with the "childish" and "uninformed" characterization of the statement, though. Victor said, I have been through hell but have never stopped believing in dreams and love and the power of music. I second that, Victor. I hope I've learned how to be tough and determined, without giving up on love. It can be done. I don't have the prescription for peace, but I know what some of the ingredients have to be. Kasey said, I wish love could stop wars. It can. Kasey, I'm afraid you've made your entrance by stumbling, with some undeserved slings and arrows aimed at people on the list. Would you like to come back in a bit more gently, please? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:38:48 -0500 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: the war within Anne, This started when I replied to a post to call Washington. At that time I was trying to start an informative debate and get all points of view in it. Brenda, evidently, was the only one to respond in kind. The 'slings and arrows' started with Susan, and Vince. I responded in kind. I would love to try this again, and have a mature intelligent discussion. However, I will not feel bad over defending my point of view. As for Bush eluding to finishing what his father started, could you please direct me to where you read/saw/or heard this. I would be interested in that type of comment. Kasey Please excuse the fragmenting of my responses. I'm currently on digest. Kasey said: To say this is retaliatory for his father is a childish and uninformed statement. This is precisely what Mr. Bush himself indicated this week. I agree with the "childish" and "uninformed" characterization of the statement, though. Victor said, I have been through hell but have never stopped believing in dreams and love and the power of music. I second that, Victor. I hope I've learned how to be tough and determined, without giving up on love. It can be done. I don't have the prescription for peace, but I know what some of the ingredients have to be. Kasey said, I wish love could stop wars. It can. Kasey, I'm afraid you've made your entrance by stumbling, with some undeserved slings and arrows aimed at people on the list. Would you like to come back in a bit more gently, please? lots of love AnneGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:53:23 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Fw: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - 800 number to the Anne wrote: And, I have to agree that I read some antagonism into your post, Kasey, whether you meant it or not. I didn't read that or feel that. I simply read an opinion that was different. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:02:28 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: the war within To say this is retaliatory for his father > is a childish and uninformed statement. > > This is precisely what Mr. Bush himself indicated this > week. I agree with the "childish" and "uninformed" > characterization of the statement, though. I don't find the statement childish or uninformed. Those who had to live with his decisions here in Texas know he can be very childish, as we all can be at times. As for uninformed, information has nothing to do with it. Only he knows his inner feelings and motives on this and if it were the case, I doubt he would fill us in. Victor said, I have been through hell but have never > stopped believing in dreams and love and the power of > music. Nice sentiments but realistic, no. I believe in love, dreams, and the power of music as well but they have nothing to do, in my opinion, with the realities of politics or war. Kasey said, I wish love could stop wars. As we all do, I would hope, but again, not realistic as they do not love us and instead hope for our destruction. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:14:48 -0500 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: Fw: All Hands on Deck: Iraq Vote Imminent - 800 number to the Anne, I have given my apology to Brenda. But you have indeed ask some very good questions. The weapons have been there, some may have even been funded by the US. Why now? Because repeated attempts to talk to Iraq to stop massing this weapons have failed. Repeated request have gone unanswered to permit the UN to inspect. Because Sadam will not comply with peace keeping forces. Now because all else has failed. Is it less likely under a new regime? Yes. Less likely, but not a guarantee. A new regime would be more likely to work with the UN, and peace keeping forces. Good questions Anne, these are what I ask myself before I decided to support Bush. Kasey Brenda, Your response said much of what I wanted to. And, I have to agree that I read some antagonism into your post, Kasey, whether you meant it or not. I'd be interested to hear from those who support a war against Iraq. I have a few specific questions: - - What specifically is the rationale for the U.S. making the first strike? - - What is the overriding reason for war now? (Why war? Why now?) (The weapons didn't appear last week. They've been there for years.) - - If you feel there is danger of Saddam Hussein using weapons of mass destruction, do you think the danger is less likely under a different regime? I personally find the push for war ludicrous. The fact that so many are willing to listen to a president who reduces foreign policy to personal vendetta says something about where we are right now. Yes, the U.S. and the world were terribly wronged on September 11. But I hope we are a nation of laws, and those laws preclude action such as that which is being proposed in Washington. I hope for peace and eventual understanding. lots of love AnneGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:20:08 EDT From: Chihuahua50@aol.com Subject: Still Vital After All These Years There was a point in time, somewhere in the late 70s, when I thought of Joni, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Joan Armatrading, Rickie Lee Jones, Gordon Lightfoot, and Bob Dylan as all inhabiting more or less the same space in my own personal singer/songwriter hierarchy. Dylan and Joni have always been a step above everybody else for me, but they were at least all in the same ballpark during the late 70s. For example, look at the albums that each of these artists put out in that time period. These are, in my opinion, some of the best albums of their careers. 1976 - Hejira (JM) 1975 - Gorilla (Taylor) 1974 - Late for the Sky (Browne) 1976 - Joan Armatrading (3rd album) 1979 - Rickie Lee Jones (Debut album) 1976 - Summertime Dream (Lightfoot) 1975 - Blood on the Tracks (Dylan) I have followed all of their careers for the last 25 years and have most of their CDs. The difference between Joni and the rest of these musicians, for me, however, is that Joni's work continues to change and grow and much of her new work, not all of it, is as good and as intense, as the old work. I recently bought Jackson Browne's new CD, Naked Ride Home. I think it was the title that hooked me as much as anything. I guess I was looking for some kind of connection to Night Ride Home. I was afraid I'd end up buying it, listening to it a couple of times, and then filing it away. I was right. It's not terrible. It just sounds like what he did 25 years ago and so far there hasn't been a single song that I really wanted to hear again. It doesn't even approach the intensity of his early work. I have the same reaction to all the artists listed above. I didn't even buy James Taylor's last CD. I'm sure it's very nice, professionally done, and I've heard a few tracks and saw a video of one song, and it all sounds like everything else he's done for the last 10 or 15 years. Joni, on the other hand, continues to do different things, go down different paths. Her music on Taming the Tiger sounds different from everything else she's ever done. Both Sides Now sounds different from everything else. I love the new versions of her songs on Both Sides Now. I do wish she had not done the covers. I guess there must be something very compelling about doing an album of covers/standards. Everybody has done it from Carly Simon to Willie Nelson to Dylan.. I understand her love for the songs and I understand that the songs were meant to show the arc of a love affair. We all have songs we grew up listening to that were important to us. I just don't understand why she chose to record the covers and release them on album. One of the things that has always drawn me to Joni is her solitary approach to music. From her very first album she wrote the songs, sang the songs, played the instruments, did the album cover art, and produced it all. I guess that's why when I read about somebody like Norah Jones and listen to her CD my response is, "Very nice. But she's no Joni Mitchell." But that's okay. The covers on Both Sides Now were still interesting. It was new and different, and there were still moments of intensity that equaled her best work. A friend of mine who got off the Joni Mitchell bandwagon years ago asked me after Both Sides Now was released, "Why should I listen to Joni Mitchell try to sing At Last when I can listen to Etta James really sing it?" She has a certain point and I guess this is where you separate someone who just likes Joni from someone like me who would buy a CD of Joni singing the phone book. Her voice, even after all these years, and all those cigarettes, still intrigues and mesmerizes me. The first time I heard Joni sing Both Sides Now was Atlanta in 1998. It was a moment I will never forget. Was it just her performance, or was it the experience of having the past 30 years turned inside out right before my eyes? Can you separate the two? I don't think so. It was the closest thing to time travel I will proably ever experience. I felt the last 30 years collapse and turn inside out and then I was back in 1998. Infinity. A little yin/yang for ya folks. She was the driver and it was a magical ride she was taking us on, a travelogue. That is why I'm looking forward to Travelogue so much. I'm hoping for more moments like that and more moments that I haven't even thought of. I'm looking for memories about songs and places and times that I have forgotten that I think these new versions of old songs will reveal. So maybe in a way Both Sides Now, the CD, was a way for Joni to say, "See, these were my songs. These were the songs that were important to me as a child, and these are the songs that take me back in time." Maybe Travelogue is her way or providing that same experience for those of us who grew up with Joni's songs as our important songs. I hope Travelogue will not be her last album. I hope she will live a long time and keep sending out these gifts. I think she is capable of that. She has done it far longer than most of her peers. And I think she still has plenty to say. One thing she has now that she didn't have 30 years ago is a sense of history and hindsight. That could make for some powerful writing. But, if she doesn't make any new music, the music she has made in the last 30 years will get me through the next 30. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:24:01 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Still Vital After All These Years Frank writes: << I just don't understand why she chose to record the covers and release them on album. >> Great post, Frank! As for why Joni recorded the first album of covers (BSN), the wise-ass answer is . . . because she could! But I also think that Joni is at least intrigued, and maybe even delighted, by the way her voice sounds now. Herbie Hancock, the Chieftains and others certainly like her grown-up, cigarette voice and seek her out to cover her own work and songs other people wrote. I love the way her voice sounds now, and I hope she keeps singing even if she never writes another song. (Although I am sure she will continue to write. I have faith!) I love the way you closed your post, Frank: << But, if she doesn't make any new music, the music she has made in the last 30 years will get me through the next 30. >> And I agree! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:54:11 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Diana Krall/Michael Brecker/James Taylor > **I would like to read a review of DK's cover from others including our > Kover King** > You rang? ;~) What's to say about this one that hasn't been said? Diana does a SUPERB job of taking one of Joni's signature songs and making it her own. The first time I heard it was when I was watching the TNT tribute with my son, and I had been teary-eyed on and off the whole time. Well, this one really opened up the floodgates! Diana totally invests herself emotionally into it. One of the great ones! Bob NP: Danzig & Wooley, "The Priest" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:44:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Still Vital After All These Years **The first time I heard Joni sing Both Sides Now was Atlanta in 1998. It was a moment I will never forget. ** Thanks for a great post Frank! I'm glad to see someone else puts "Gorilla" up there as one of JT's best. Like Joni, he did some incredible work in the decade, and Gorilla (and In The Pocket) hold their own with his best imo. I was also there when Joni came out that night in Atlanta and started into BSN. It was a very emotional moment because we had all been communicating about the tour and I knew this was not one she had done before. Of course, the fact that it was also her birthday, and the fact that we got to meet her later made it an unbelievable evening of a lifetime! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on Joni's path, not always where some of us would have her go but why should she start doing that now? ;~) Bob NP: Jack Nielsen, "Blue Boy" (speaking of unbelievable!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:14:15 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Counting Crows BYT Cover Shit I missed sweet sixteen sometime. Was that a hand out I missed at the NE Fest or was this the Mini Fest last week?? Love Paz on 10/4/02 9:12 AM, Cynthia Vickery at cvickery@danielrealty.com wrote: > > and now me - > if you haven't already begged or cajoled Bob for his "Sweet 16" > covers compilation, do so immediately!!!! > > bob - you truly outdid yourself with this one!! > > > cindy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:46:02 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG Kakki As usual thanks for the report. I was waiting around the other evening martini shaker in hand and ready to chat on the phone with you and Darice. You better start doing some good drugs so that you are not so tired. May I suggest my latest concoction of Geritol and Red Bull with a Twist. It's kind of a old mans speed ball. Love Michael on 10/3/02 7:21 PM, kakki at kakkib@vzavenue.net wrote: > I'm still exhausted but will try to hit some of the high points. It really Met some other interesting people and Darice will have > more to tell. It was really, really fun for these old girls ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:33:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #33 - Get yours FOR FREE!! OK, one last post before I call it a night... Congrats to 2 of my all-time fave JMDLer's Rev. Vince & Smurphy for their victories in my covers contest! My selection was "Carey" from Blue, both Bob & Vince guessed "Blue" from Blue, so they were just one song away from nailing it on the nose! Both of these fine gentlemen win not just Covers #33, but also my "Sweet 16" collection of some of the best of what I've heard so far. Thanks to all of you who guessed, I'll be doing it all over again in November with a new volume & a new bonus freebie. (I guess now Murphy has to come out of the closet and fess up to being a covers geek like me! ;~D) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:38:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Covers #33 - Get yours FOR FREE!! --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all of you who guessed, I'll be doing it > all over again in November > with a new volume & a new bonus freebie. > Would that be a sour sixteen? the all-time worst Joni covers? Would anyone thank you for it? (Yeesh, I'm scaring myself now.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:53:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: More on HOB night oh man, this is shear torture... darice wrote "Drat, I knew I should have stuck close to Pevar...after we spoke before the show. Check out Jeff's site (www.pevar.com), latest news for a picture of Joni at the HOB Nash show....See her great smile....." ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:38:52 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Graham show - Joni and related content - LONG Paz wrote: > I was waiting around the other evening martini shaker in hand and ready to chat on the phone with you and Darice. Arrr! I wanted to call you with the Joni content when we were waiting in line but was concerned about tying up your phone in the midst of the hurricane!! I really wish you and Kate B. could have been with us. Next time for sure!! > You better start doing some good drugs so that you are not so tired. May I > suggest my latest concoction of Geritol and Red Bull with a Twist. It's kind > of a old mans speed ball. Hahaha!!! I should have loaded up on some! Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #293 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)