From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #287 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 287 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: TRAVELOUGE ["kakki" ] Re: Travelogue ["kakki" ] Today in History: October 2 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: October 2 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Covers #33 - Get yours FOR FREE!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni makeover [SMC1254@aol.com] Re: Early Live Recordings [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] FW: Jaco [MusicThoughts] Digest Number 1651 [Patti Witten ] Re: Travelogue [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - now with JC [Murphycopy@aol.co] Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - now with JC [Bob.Muller@fluor.] Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - now with JC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Early Live Recordings [nyroman ] Re: Travelogue ["Bree Mcdonough" ] hatbox ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Midnight Cowboy [Steve Polifka ] Not leaving NRJC!... ["Amelio Alamo" ] The dreaded Hatbox! [Merk54@aol.com] travelogue [Jennymac48@aol.com] Joni the actress [SMC1254@aol.com] Re: Joni the actress [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: The dreaded Hatbox! ["Lori in MD" ] The Arrangement. ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Not leaving NRJC!... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Travelogue ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Norah Jones [Michael Paz ] Re: Travelogue [Michael Paz ] Re: The dreaded Hatbox! [hell ] Re: First on my block [Michael Paz ] Re: PAZFEST CD Set [Michael Paz ] Re: Early Live Recordings ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: TRAVELOUGE ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: The dreaded Hatbox! [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:14:12 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: TRAVELOUGE > ps I always thought BSN was supposed to be a box of chocolate.. It is supposed to be that, Kev - we just are in the habit of calling it a hatbox ;-) I heard Joni originally wanted it to be heart-shaped candy box but her art director talked her out of it! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:17:18 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Travelogue > Based on what she's done with her life, I think she needs to create music just as (and > maybe even more) compulsively as she needs to paint so I expect to hear > more music from her, including some new stuff in a few years, provided > she stays healthy and I hope that's always the case. I agree completely about her need to create music - you just don't turn that off - (I'd love to know what originals she's been holding out on us). It's more the health/age aspect I worry about, but I'm always hopeful she will transcend that. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 03:18:39 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: October 2 1991: Joni attended Sting's birthday party held at A&M Studios in Los Angeles. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 03:18:39 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: October 2 On October 2 the following items were published: 1998: "Bare Necessities" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981002ew.cfm 1998: "Conversation with Joni Mitchell" - ABC Good Morning America (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981002gma.cfm 1998: "Riled Woman" - Pittsburgh Post Gazette (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981002ppg.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Washington Blade (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981002wb.cfm 2000: "Singer Jann Arden tops music awards" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/001002tgam.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:06:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #33 - Get yours FOR FREE!! Hi gang, and happy Wednesday (or whatever day you happen to be reading this...) Once again I'm giving away a freebie (that's FREEBIE not FRISBEE) copy of Covers, Volume 33 to some lucky lister. To sweeten the deal, I'll toss in a complementary copy of my "Sweet 16" covers, 16 of the best I've heard so far! And I'll mail it to wherever you may be... All you have to do is guess a song & an album/CD; for instance: I Had A King - Song To A Seagull Whoever is the closest wins, and as always, please send your guess to me privately so as not to clutter things up or give away your guess. And Murphy, I have to remind you...only ONE guess per person! :~) (He gets so pissy when he doesn't win!) Bob NP: India.Arie, "Interested" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:24:30 EDT From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni makeover Paul Starr does Joni's makeup and did it here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:02:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings <> Well, as you know Kakki I will stop at nothing to acquire this sort of stuff...Gary had told me that he was going to re-record some of this early stuff, but I didn't know it was already out there. Gary, if you're holding back on me, I'll have to put in a call to my cousin Rocco on the West Coast to break your thumbs, so let's have it! :~) Bob NP: Neil Young, "The Needle & The Damage Done" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Patti - -- Patti Witten, singer-songwriter http://pattiwitten.com - ---------- > From: musicthoughts@yahoogroups.com > Reply-To: musicthoughts@yahoogroups.com > Date: 2 Oct 2002 12:02:55 -0000 > To: musicthoughts@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [MusicThoughts] Digest Number 1651 > > Subject: Re: Jaco. > > I also have a Jaco story ... being from South Florida - my bass > player (at the time) was one of Jaco's friends and emulated him as > much as possible - is a talented luthier who worked on his bass. One > night we were doing our retro-60s show in this tiny club in Palm > Beach when he shows up - with his bass in tow (no case). Before I > know it he's up jamming with us on Mustang Sally ... he asked me the > key! After that he jumped up on a table in the middle of the bar and > played the Star Spangled Banner ala Jimi Hendrix - on the fretless > bass. Sadly beaten to death not too long after that. Big hands ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:14:25 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Travelogue <> Better still, it's listed at CDUniverse.com for just over $25! (They're ALWAYS cheaper than CDNow & Amazon...) <> If both versions had come out at the same time, I would have. But as you recall, the Hatbox came out 6-8 weeks prior to the no-frills version, in order to exploit those of us who HAVE to have new Joni upon its release. That's what griped me so much. FWIW, mine also arrived in excellent condition, so I have no beef about that. Were Reprise to try and duplicate that scam with Travelogue, I would have no qualms with getting a pal to burn me copies of the 2 cd's until the no-frills edition came out. By the same token, you make a good point about the 2 seperate cd's. I bought both the seperate Waits releases for about $30 and was deliriously happy with them. But on the other hand, Paul Westerberg put out a DYNO-MITE 2-cd package for the price of 1, so it can definitely be done. (And Paul's set is going to be tough to beat!) Bob, just a little cautious, not outraged... NP: Neil, "The Old Laughing Lady" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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From: Murphycopy@aol.com Reply-To: Murphycopy@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Subject: I Dream of Joni . . . again! Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:33:56 EDT Last night I had a dream that Joni appeared in for free . . . I was at a Jonifest in a Full Moon-type place, although it wasn't Full Moon. Joni was sitting at a big circular bar and when she saw me she turned to the man next to her and told him -- I guessed from lip reading and the gestures she was making -- that she wanted to meet me. So I walked over to her, she stood up . . . and she was about seven feet tall! Shortly after that, Joni was going to perform using some kind of technology I had never heard of. Then there was an announcement that the equipment had broken down and Joni would not be performing. Another act started to play, and I think the dream ended. It's so nice to have a dream about Joni, especially when that darned Muller isn't in it! --Bob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:33:32 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Joni in polls For Joni in listener polls (niche folk-fan category) go to http://www.wumb.org. This is Umass Boston/NPR Folk radio and there is absolutely NO 'Weezer' here, and "A Case of You' was voted the best folk song 'of all time'. (when it didn't go to Cheryl Wheeler!). They stream audio. chucke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:03:10 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Travelogue <<"Blasphemous Bob" Muller wrote:>> I didn't express myself clearly, I guess...Of course, Joni is and will always be recognized as one of the most influential songwriters and performers of all time. Thirty years from now, her songs will still be recorded by others (and I'll be on Volume 4,000 or something!). And believe me, I don't care one patoot for any VHS, Rolling Stone, People Magazine, or internet poll. Means nothing, maybe even less than nothing. My point is that at this time in the music world, Joni's new release generates little to no excitement. Whether it's bad marketing or weak product, I'll not say. Much of our demographic (Boomers in their 40's & 50's) has given up on new music, even new releases from their favorite artists of yesteryear. Thank God for those of us who don't fall in this category, and even more for the youngsters who discover & acknowledge her true genius. Bob NP: Neil Young, "Unknown Legend" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:49:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - now with JC Muller writes: << The music works brilliantly in the movie, but imo is deader than Ratso on the bus. >> LOL! And now that I think of it, didn't Joni write a song for Midnight Cowboy that never made it into the movie? I'm sure you know, Bob. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:53:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - now with JC <> Well, it can only be ASSUMED that it was written for the movie, BUT it would take some strong convincing that it wasn't...Joni never recorded it, as far as I know only Donal Leace did. And thanks to the aforementioned Mr. Zack for sharing it with me for our collection. Here are the lyrics, and given that Voight's character is named Joe Buck, and that the first lines of the song fit his little movie theatre escapade so well, it seems that it would be coincidence to think otherwise...it all seems to work. The lyrics: I was in an all night movie When I heard the usher say Here comes the midnight cowboy Got his gun hired out for pay; You were walking kind of faded From the Netherlands Hotel With your hat tipped off to ladies Really looking well. Aw Joe, why don't you go back home? Really hate to see you falling down Get out of town. Well you came to New York City With a calendar full of gold Now they locked it up in the bedroom And they kicked you out in the cold; Now you can't afford a little blanket You can get one from a friend You can trick one off the corner You can even keep the change - to spend. Hey Joe, why don't you go back home? Really hate to see you come falling down Get out of town. There's a soldier in the depot He's a fighting nightingale Wearing western boots and buckskin on Reading fortunes from the penny scale; Now today he's got a a quarter For the photograph machine But tomorrow he'll be lonely lonely That's the way it's always been. Poor Joe, why don't you go back home? Really hate to see you falling down Get out of town. I was in an all night movie When I heard the usher say Here comes the midnight cowboy again Got his gun hired out for pay; You were walking kind of faded From the Netherlands hotel Hat tipped off to ladies Tipped off to gentlemen as well. Well Joe, why don't you go back home? Find yourself a girl and settle down Get out of town Get out of town Find yourself a girl, go and settle down Hey Joe, looking more lost than found Get out of town. )Joni Mitchell BMI - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:12:40 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 'Dessert' Island Soundtrack Sweeties - now with JC While there is no question it was written about Joe Buck, I think it is a big leap to assume it was written specifically for the movie. The movie was a milestone and had a great emotional impact on the film going public. It may have just moved her to write about the movie, but then never record it because it was so specifically personal. Just my 2 cents worth. Jerry Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > < that > never made it into the movie? I'm sure you know, Bob.>> > > Well, it can only be ASSUMED that it was written for the movie, BUT it > would take some strong convincing that it wasn't...Joni never recorded it, > as far as I know only Donal Leace did. And thanks to the aforementioned Mr. > Zack for sharing it with me for our collection. Here are the lyrics, and > given that Voight's character is named Joe Buck, and that the first lines > of the song fit his little movie theatre escapade so well, it seems that it > would be coincidence to think otherwise...it all seems to work. The lyrics: > > I was in an all night movie > When I heard the usher say > Here comes the midnight cowboy > Got his gun hired out for pay; > You were walking kind of faded > >From the Netherlands Hotel > With your hat tipped off to ladies > Really looking well. > > Aw Joe, why don't you go back home? > Really hate to see you falling down > Get out of town. > > Well you came to New York City With a calendar full of gold > Now they locked it up in the bedroom > And they kicked you out in the cold; > Now you can't afford a little blanket > You can get one from a friend > You can trick one off the corner > You can even keep the change - to spend. > > Hey Joe, why don't you go back home? > Really hate to see you come falling down > Get out of town. > > There's a soldier in the depot > He's a fighting nightingale > Wearing western boots and buckskin on > Reading fortunes from the penny scale; > Now today he's got a a quarter > For the photograph machine > But tomorrow he'll be lonely lonely > That's the way it's always been. > > Poor Joe, why don't you go back home? > Really hate to see you falling down > Get out of town. > > I was in an all night movie > When I heard the usher say > Here comes the midnight cowboy again > Got his gun hired out for pay; > You were walking kind of faded > >From the Netherlands hotel > Hat tipped off to ladies > Tipped off to gentlemen as well. > > Well Joe, why don't you go back home? > Find yourself a girl and settle down > Get out of town > Get out of town > Find yourself a girl, go and settle down > Hey Joe, looking more lost than found > Get out of town. > > )Joni Mitchell BMI > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged material. 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Thanks for the lyrics. I think we can bet just about anything that this was written for the movie, especially if it was written around the same time the movie came out. (I am guessing it was released in 1969 because I remember it originally had an X rating and I had to sneak in to see it because I was only 16!) Joni writes: << Get out of town. >> So that's where that expression originated! I have a bunch of new Joni in Fiction entries I hope to get to today. I think I'll add these lyrics to JiF, even if the song never made it to the film this is another interesting side of Joni. Thanks for your unwavering support of Joni in Fiction, Bob! Ha-ha! Fooled again, Covers Clown! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:28:21 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Travelogue >Much of our demographic (Boomers in their 40's & >50's has given up on new >music, even new releases from their favorite >artists of yesteryear. I think a lot of people let the *child* within them die ..the child that Joni so eloquently talks about. When this happens watch out...it's pretty much all over. It effects so many things; exploration..zest..zeal. I refuse to....I don't think I could even if I wanted to. I see this same child- like wonderment with most on this list. I also think a lot of the general public keep their *child* suppressed...too many reasons to list. >Thank God for those of us who don't fall in this category, and even more >for the youngsters who discover & acknowledge her true genius. I do Bob, I do!! Bree.....off to do a little in-line skating this morning.. >Bob > >NP: Neil Young, "Unknown Legend" > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential >and/or privileged material. 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Employment was not to be had, and I have some personal issues to resolve, so I'm back in the Motor City again for awhile, and just rejoined the list last night. Oooh that Kakki! I must tell you all that while I was in Los Angeles my one accomplishment was the ability to sing live at many different venues, which gave me the most joy I've had in years. I managed to meet pianists who were at least able to play "Both Sides Now" so I did perform that song quite a bit, to appreciative crowds. At one venue there was a lady in the back singing along ever so softly! I managed to have one performance videotaped by a friend, but have yet to actually see it (shudder). As well, my one super bonus to being in Los Angeles was the opportunity to spend some wonderful evenings with Kakki. She is the most intelligent, supportive, sensitive and beautiful woman I've ever met and I miss her and our weekly meetings at the Red Lion tremendously!! However, while I was there I did play for her some of my old tunes from a compilation recording of mine I call "Dust From The Shelves." She spilled the beans on my "Carnival In Kenora" version that was recorded in, I believe 1972, when I was just a baby!! I sound like a little boy, and am not sure I find it worthy for the covers collection. I'll take a hesitant listen again and see how I feel about it. Anyway, it's great to be back on the list, and thank you all for being here. My heartfelt thanks again to Kakki for making my stay in Los Angeles so very wonderful. It wouldn't have been that way without you Kakki! My sincere thanks to Bob for his good friendship and supportive e-mails while I was struggling in the city of the fallen angels too! Best, Gary Zack Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > > < otherwise acquire Gary Zack's early 70s professional recording of Carnival > in Kenora - Oh.... my.... gawd.>> > > Well, as you know Kakki I will stop at nothing to acquire this sort of > stuff...Gary had told me that he was going to re-record some of this early > stuff, but I didn't know it was already out there. > > Gary, if you're holding back on me, I'll have to put in a call to my cousin > Rocco on the West Coast to break your thumbs, so let's have it! :~) > > Bob > > NP: Neil Young, "The Needle & The Damage Done" > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient > of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, > retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any > action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect > the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:52:59 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Travelogue >Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > > I'm not that excited about the Orchestrated Joni cd > > to begin with..... > >Me either! If there was a new song or two, written with an orchestra's >backing in mind, then I'd be curious. I'm excited about it, but I can't lie.. I wish it was all new stuff. >great she's able to go for it. But $35? I don't think so. Joni has given me so much...I would pay $235! I just have the need to support her efforts, I love her that much. I've marked the date on my calendar of the release..not that I really need a reminder. Bree >Debra Shea, >who's feeling like a crabby old-fogey today _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:10:11 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: hatbox I have to admit that the BSN hatbox (or chocolate box) annoyed me so much that I had to throw it away. . . This is quite sacrilegious of me, seeings I rarely throw much away and always try to recycle. . . . . . . and, you know, because it's joni. I couldn't even use the box to keep anything in it. . . I couldn't get the thing to give me space. It was sitting on my white bookshelf and everytime I looked at it, I became annoyed that Joni would have allowed such a useless item, waste of resources, over packaging. . .. I felt bad about it. . . and still do. I did like the color of it. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:52:53 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Midnight Cowboy Didn't Joni once say that no one ever used her movie themes because the plot/ story is already in the song? She was also writing one at the time of the Dec. '74 Time Mag Cover/interview. I think that this song for a movie is a distinct possibility... Steve t 11:12 AM 10/2/02 EDT, you wrote: >Muller writes: > ><< Here are the lyrics, and given that Voight's character is named Joe Buck, >and that the first lines of the song fit his little movie theatre escapade so >well, it seems that it > >would be coincidence to think otherwise...it all seems to work. >> > >This is one of my all-time favorite movies, Bob. Thanks for the lyrics. I >think we can bet just about anything that this was written for the movie, >especially if it was written around the same time the movie came out. (I am >guessing it was released in 1969 because I remember it originally had an X >rating and I had to sneak in to see it because I was only 16!) > >Joni writes: > ><< Get out of town. >> > >So that's where that expression originated! > >I have a bunch of new Joni in Fiction entries I hope to get to today. I think >I'll add these lyrics to JiF, even if the song never made it to the film this >is another interesting side of Joni. > >Thanks for your unwavering support of Joni in Fiction, Bob! Ha-ha! Fooled >again, Covers Clown! > > --Bob > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:03:01 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Not leaving NRJC!... >Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > > > And now we find that Steve T will be leaving us for a while, just >because I > > referred to him as Amelio. > >Debra Shea wrote: >Yes, that was it! That plus my No No to Norah must have put him over the >top. How extraordinarily sensitive! He must be one of those Joni fans. >:-) Ah ha! LOL. I can detect reverse pscology a mile off! LOL. Okay you've all twisted my arm. I work 7 days a week but I'm sure I can get to the library once in a while. Besides I'll have to give you all my thougts on the new album! Thanks to everyone. Steve T. NP: Gemma Hayes 'Brightness' _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:04:57 -0400 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: The dreaded Hatbox! I must be the only one in the universe that actually didn't mind the dreaded hatbox - aside from the fact that the CD was damaged - which in my case the CD crapped out in the middle of ACOY which was pretty freakin' awful. But as far as the concept itself, I kind of enjoyed it, especially the mini copies of the artworks and the lyric sheets. I took the two images of Joni at the bar, and took the lyric sheet from BSN and framed them in a single matt with three cutouts, with the Joni facing out in the left cutout, the lyrics to BSN in the center and the backwards Joni on the right. I used a matt and picture frame that was the same basic color as the dreaded hatbox, and if I do say so myself, it turned out Mah-va-lous! Plus it's a rather small size, so I was able to hang it up with out taking up a whole wall, and my wife even likes it! Since the CD was defective, when I returned the box for a good one, I accidentally forgot to include the artworks and lyric sheets, so I still have a complete set of everything to keep with the hatbox. My only real gripe about the whole thing was the CD holder being too wimpy to secure the CD. It was probably a little pimpy to put out the hatbox version ahead of the regular release, but in all honesty, I would have bought the hatbox version anyway, so in my case this was irrelevant. As far as the price of the new CD, I can't really complain about that either. What other artist do you know of who puts so much energy and creativity into putting out an album? You just know there is going to be original artwork involved. Doesn't Joni deserve a little extra credit for that? Then there's the whole point of paying for the orchestra, etc. I've always been amazed by the flat rate of entertainment. For all practical purposes, most CD's cost about the same, just like all movies cost the same to go see. Whether the movies costs 5 million to make, or 150 million, you still pay about $7.50 to see them. Whether a cd is made by 5 unknown people in a band, with just a photo of the band on the cover, or the cd has a major talent with a fifty piece orchestra and original artwork, the cost is still about the same. This has always seemed very odd to me, so if Joni's new CD is a little on the high end of things, so what - in my opinion, it is worth the added cost. Of course peoples reaction to the music will play a big part in the Return on Investment piece of this. If Joni knocks a home run with these new versions of the songs, then most people will feel the price was well worth it. If she only puts another nice album (as in BSN), then most people will feel disappointed. At least that's my take on things. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:32:51 EDT From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: travelogue Amazon will have it for $27.99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:16:16 EDT From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Joni the actress In the late 70's Joni in fact was in a film as an actress. "Love" was the title and it was a collection of shorts. Liv Ullmann was in on of the segments. It was never released to my knowledge. Joni's was a piece in which she played a Back man (see the cover of DJRD) with a boom box wigged out on Miles Davis - or something like that. She never had anything good to say about the project to my recollection. I have tried to find it to no avail. I believe there is a story about her going to a party in Black paint - anyway she was fixated on the idea for a while, as DJRD exhibits. I stand to be corrected on this. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:40:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni the actress <> No correction needed, Stephen...all you say is right on the money. I have a copy on its way to me as we speak. If you want I can share a copy with you. If you haven't seen it, it's pretty bad, truth be told. Not that it's Joni's fault, mind you. Bob NP: Neil, "Someday" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Stick it up your arse Rolling Stone... just this one song along should qualify her for a mention. Unhappy today because I don't like seeing her slighted. "She's so pleased to be apart of the arrangement......more than a consumer trying to die.....la la.....la.... you could have been more..... Bree _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:40:53 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Not leaving NRJC!... >Ah ha! LOL. I can detect reverse pscology a mile off! LOL. Hey....I'm glad you are not going! I was thinking of ways to keep you.. even though you are a bad speller. (just fooling) I can say this Stever, because I'm not the best either...at spelling that is. >Besides I'll have to give you all my thougts on the new album! Gosh...YES!! Bree >Steve T. > >NP: Gemma Hayes 'Brightness' > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:41:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Travelogue >>My point is that at this time in the music world, Joni's new release generates little to no excitement. Whether it's bad marketing or weak product, I'll not say. Much of our demographic (Boomers in their 40's & 50's) has given up on new music, even new releases from their favorite artists of yesteryear.<< well here is my own blasphemous opinion as to my personal lukewarm anticipation of this new release (not that it might not be incredible, it could be)...which is due to the fact that no new songs are on it...to me, joni's #1 strength is as a songwriter... if joni mitchell was coming out with a cd of all new original songs, do you think there would be a gigantic buzz going? i do... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:16:50 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Norah Jones Joseph I just love her and am dying to get the record but haven't yet. I missed out on a gig to shoot a video at House of Blues a couple months back. I don't think she sounds like any of those other women you mentioned but I have not heard the whole record. There is a web site that has tones of mp3's posted there http://www.norahjones.com/av/default.htm check it out. Best Paz NP-Cold Cold Heart-Norah Jones on 9/30/02 2:03 PM, joseph tischner at bozjojo@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi All, > Haven't posted in a long time; way too busy. But I had to mention that I was > totally moved by Norah Jones, who I heard for the first time on a radio > station in Seattle when I was out there on business a couple of weeks ago. > I'm mystified as to why I've never heard of her in New York before; her > debut CDs been out since February. She blew me away. > > She's all that's been playing on my CD player for the last 2 weeks. Does > anyone know her work? She's a little bit Shawn Colvin, a little bit Diana > Krall, maybe some Bonnie Raitt thrown in. I don't detect Joni, but she has > the same ability to move me as Joni, but mostly with her voice and not with > her lyrics, which is how Joni does it for me. > > When I got home with the CD, my 11 year old says, "Oh yeah, we saw her video > on the plane when we went on vacation. I really like that song." ('Don't > Know Why') Anyway, where the hell have I been? > > Anybody like her? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:59:27 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Travelogue You can pick up the new PazFest 2CD set for only $25 (a true steal)! Paz NP-Cold Cold Heart-Hank Williams (WFUV interview from norahjones.com) on 10/1/02 9:41 AM, dsk at dsk11@bellatlantic.net wrote: > I was just internet shopping for cds and see that Joni's "Travelogue" is > being released November 19. I think that's been mentioned already. What > surprises me is that it will cost $34.98. Is that the going rate for a > 2-cd release? Seems unusually pricey to me. > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: hell Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! Jack wrote: > I must be the only one in the universe that actually didn't mind > the dreaded hatbox - aside from the fact that the CD was damaged > - which in my case the CD crapped out in the middle of ACOY which > was pretty freakin' awful. But as far as the concept itself, I > kind of enjoyed it, especially the mini copies of the artworks > and the lyric sheets. Put me down on the list of people who loved the hat/chocolate box - it has pride of place on a side table in my living room. And I've had lots of comments about it. My CD was damaged as well (also in the middle of ACOY), but with the help of some furniture polish and a soft cloth it was restored back to health. Just as well, given that it crossed the world at some expense. I think I paid around NZD$100 for it. I paid NZD$120 for the Mendel book and poster. I'm getting a little annoyed with the complaints about the price of Joni's new CD set. A new release (single CD) here is around $33, a double-CD around $40. And spare a thought for those of us in far-off lands, who pay exorbitant amounts in shipping and handling costs if we have to use Amazon or equivalents, not to mention the delay in product releases, if they're released here at all. This may be Joni's last recording effort, and I for one, will be paying whatever it takes to obtain a copy. If you don't want to pay for it, don't - - it's as simple as that. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:19:01 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: First on my block Thanks so much Jerry I am proud of the overall production of the mix. There were so many problems with the tracks that were done that night but one of my best buds Rick was able to repair with band aids and great know how. I am sorry a lot of it never will see the light of day but there is always tomorrow and there WILL be a Volume 3 featuring our very own David Lahm and Jason Marsalis and Lil' Queenie (the jazzers if you will) and then I keep getting prodded to do a CD release party so if I do I am sure there will be more recording on my gawd suddenly I have a Muller type Volume #3,909,388 on my hands. Enjoy the music Jerry and thanks for your support. Paz (I did say never again didn't I? Well didn't I??) NP-Turn Me On_Still Norah on WFUV (you nay sayers are nuts this girl is tits) on 10/1/02 12:19 PM, Jerry Notaro at notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu wrote: > Neither wind, rain, or hurricane stopped my Pazfest double cd from arriving > at my door from Louisiana. It is a must have for any Joni fan. For those who > were there, it will confirm a once in a lifetime musical event. For those > who weren't, you will finally realize what you missed. Michael, thanks, and > it WAS worth the wait. > > Jerry > > np: Bryan Thomas Band - Black Crow > It Rocks!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:34:59 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: PAZFEST CD Set Oh My Gawd! Janine thank you so much. I am so happy you are enjoying the music. It truly is a labor of love on many levels. I guess you are just gonna have to pack up and come to the next one which oh my gawd is brewing in the cauldron right now!! Freda really did an excellent job with the cover and Jack Merkel's artwork looks so wonderful. I thought this may send us over the edge as far as our relationship, but we survived another one. (It will be Jack's CD cover that sends us down the river of no return).{Gawd I LOVED that movie but I digress somemore ) Thanks for the plug. I went by Tower yesterday and they had sold some off the display that Freda did and I felt so proud. I am looking for other ways to market this project if any of you guys have any ideas please let me know. Thanks again Janine. Love Paz NP-Starting to rain a bit with a few gusts of wind on 10/1/02 6:05 PM, janine sherman at sherman@netrax.net wrote: > Hear Ye! Hear Ye! > > Dear all joniphiles, > > If you have not yet made your donation to the Ruth Paz Foundation and > received Michael's > double CD set, what the heck are you waiting for? > > This set not only has FANTASTIC Joni covers, but it is professionally > packaged and absolutely GORGEOUS! > > IMO the covers on this CD rival many of Bob's classic finds! > When was the last time you heard a sexy male voice sing I THINK I > UNDERSTAND, BLUE BOY or NIGHT RIDE HOME? > > Do yourself a BIG favor and click here to check it out and order. > http://jmdl.com > michaelpazz@directvinternet.com > > The BEST part is that the bucks go for a wonderful, selfless cause. > > Thank you, Michael Paz, for making this fantastic CD in honor of Joni's > music and in keeping your mother's > work alive. > > C'mon everbody, dig deep. Thanks for the bandwidth. > > Janine > > NP: Denise Marie Band -Blue Motel Room ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:28:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings Then she whined "Carey." Then another > girl yelled "Play what you want!" and Joni cracked up. > and then Joni said 'Alriiight!' Mark E. in Seattle who has many fond memories of listening to MOA by candlelight in an altered state (and I ain't talking about Iowa!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:33:55 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: TRAVELOUGE ps I always thought BSN was supposed to be a box of chocolate.. > That would make it just lak lahf, accordin to mah Mahmuh. Mark E Gump ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The dreaded Hatbox! --- hell wrote: > Jack wrote: > I'm getting a little annoyed with the complaints > about the price of Joni's > new CD set. A new release (single CD) here is > around $33, a double-CD > around $40. And spare a thought for those of us in > far-off lands, who pay > exorbitant amounts in shipping and handling costs if > we have to use Amazon > or equivalents, not to mention the delay in product > releases, if they're > released here at all. How does the NZ$ compare to the US$? Just wondering because, even though I often think we pay a *lot* for CDs in Canada, by the time you figure out exchange rates, we probably pay something equivalent to what the Americans do. Most CDs I've seen in stores (not doubles) cost around $20 Canadian, give or take a few bucks. I sometimes order from places like CDNow or Amazon because there's more variety to be found there than in most stores in Canada, even in a large city. By the time you figure in exchange rates, taxes, shipping and handling and other miscellaneous ripoffs, i probably end up paying slightly more than I would pay for a CD here in Toronto. The $30-some I've heard quoted for the new double Joni probably works out to close to $50. That's about what I paid for Jane Siberry's double one (can't remember the name - Anthology? whatever) but I ordered that from her website and so had to pay about $5 for shipping and handling. I guess if you like the music enough and you're likely to play it more than once, it's a good deal - otherwise, it's a shitload of money. I'm appalled at how much people in the UK, New Zealand, Australia & so on end up paying (because you live on islands? could that be it?) so, when you look at it that way, we shouldn't whine so much. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #287 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)