From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #285 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 285 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: October 1 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: Norah Jones [dsk ] Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Joni an Actress? [Steve Polifka ] Early Live Recordings [David Sadowski ] Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 [Engwall57@aol.com] Travelogue [dsk ] Re: Norah Jones ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Norah Jones ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Norah Jones [dsk ] Re: Norah Jones ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Norah Jones ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Travelogue [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Travelogue [dsk ] Re: Travelogue [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Mini UK fest...and new cover band! [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup <] Re: Goodbye... [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Travelogue [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Goodbye... ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Norah Jones ["Brenda" ] I Dream of Joni . . . again! [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Travelogue [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Travelogue [dsk ] Re: Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 ["Kate Bennett" ] Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! ["Kate Bennett" ] Mini UK fest...and new cover band! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Travelogue [AzeemAK@aol.com] Joni Makeover? [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Travelogue [vince ] PAZFEST CD Set ["janine sherman" ] Early Live Recordings ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Early Live Recordings ["kakki" ] Re: Travelogue ["kakki" ] Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Travelogue [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Travelogue ["kakki" ] Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 [dsk ] Re: Early Live Recordings ["kakki" ] Re: Travelogue [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 03:02:40 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: October 1 On October 1 the following items were published: 1979: "Joan, Joni, and Neil: '60s Stars in the '70s" - Chatelaine (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/7910chat.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981001tgam.cfm 1998: "Tiger, Tiger" - Boston Globe (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981001bg.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 03:19:20 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Norah Jones Steve T wrote: > > Yes one of the nicest voices I've ever heard! The first time I heard 'Don't > Know Why' in New York I had to buy the album 'Come Away Wth Me'. It is a > great album. Also Brian Blade plays on it! She's getting a lot of attention. I've seen her on tv and listened to some of her cd at the record store and found it so bland I didn't buy it. Sounded like jazz with no life to it to me. Her father is Ravi Shankar. According to what I've read he wasn't part of her life growing up (and perhaps not even now). Too bad. I think some of his influence on her music would make it more interesting. It would certainly be unique. Or so I imagine anyway. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:21:44 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! OK, so last month I took a break from releasing a CD in the ever burgeoning "covers/frisbee" series. Now it's time to get back onthe track, although I must admit it's a bit intimidating what with all the competition: Pazfest, Big Yellow Taxi, Steve Klink, the 8-CD Jonifest 2002 collection...but here goes - here's the lineup for "Joni Covers - Volume 33". A big thanks to our one and only Kerry (get out your cane) Nikkuta for her assistance in getting this music! 1. The University of Northern Colorado Vocal Jazz Ensemble - I Don't Know Where I Stand: Whew! As Linda Lovelace says, that's a mouthful! And it sounds good too...basically their take on the Singers Unlimited arrangement. See also #12 below. 2. Suzin Skyler - A Case Of You: Canadian Jazz singer Skyler turns in a fine performance of ACOY. 3. Mary Hopkin - Both Sides Now: The second Joni cover from a rare live recording, Mary's voice is well suited to Joni's material. 4. Chuck Mitchell - The Circle Game: Joni's ex sings the classic. Dontcha just know she loved getting THIS royalty check! 5. Ginger Berglund - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines: GREAT big-band arrangement, really swings. 6. The Loons - The Urge For Going: Another wonderful recording of one of Joni's earliest songs, by folk group The Loons. Jody Johnson gives it 2 thumbs way up! :~) 7. Skeeter Davis - Both Sides Now: Skeeter was of course most well-known for the hit "The End Of The World", her BSN is not outstanding but not bad. 8. The Joint Chiefs - All I Want: Now THIS is one I really love! Don't know much about these guys, except that they remind me a lot of Eddie From Ohio. Great harmonies and acoustic arrangements! 9. Rachel & Hugh Higgins - Big Yellow Taxi: Hugh would have done well to take the advice about not working with kids...but then again it's sort of cute as he sings this one with his "trusty sidekick" Rachel. 10. CC Robin - Free Man In Paris: I have no proof that the Grateful Dead ever did a Joni song in concert, but this one sounds like Jerry Garcia and there are Dead-like harmonies here as well. 11. Lincoln Mayorga - Both Sides Now: A very peppy and well-played version, and some interesting things going on with the arrangement. Definitely a nice change of pace. 12. Shivesen Jazz Choir - I Don't Know Where I Stand: See #1 13. John Townsend - The Circle Game: UK folksinger with a fairly monotone version of Circle Game...I like this one though, it's darker than I'm used to hearing. 14. Keller Williams - A Case Of You 15. Keller Williams - For Free: These are both WONDERFUL recordings - and not officially released, so we have yet another JMDL exclusive. Don't know much about Williams, but he does have a new CD out. 16. Dick Hyman - Both Sides Now: I promise not to make fun of his name...for those of you who are clamoring to hear BSN on the bagpipes, this is what it might sound like. Dick doesn't play the pipes, this is a far-out synth version that imitates the sound. Really different, and fun! 17. Steve LaManna - Michael From Mountains: A nice solo piano version of one of Joni's sweetest melodies. The guy's no Fred Simon, but he's all right. 18. Melanie Taylor - River: A fine & soulful version of the Christmas (?) classic. 19. Woody Mann & Suzanne Vogt - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines: Another winner, Woody plays a mean acoustic lead, great jazz licks and solos, and Suzanne provides a warm and accurate vocal. 20. Terry Baxter & Orchestra - Both Sides Now: I always cringe when I see that "& Orchestra" tagged on, but this one is pretty cool. Nice & upbeat, with some nice Vince Guaraldi keyboards. So there you have it! 20 tracks, 20 hits...as always, I'm happy to share copies with anyone interested, so if you are...lemme know. And too, I'll be giving away a copy to some lucky JMDL'er, so Murphy stay tuned - your chance to win is coming up! Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Lonesome Day" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:19:00 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni an Actress? At 01:35 PM 9/30/02 -0400, you wrote: >This just in: My sources have confirmed that Joni Mitchell will indeed be taking on a new role. She will appear in a new production of The Wizard of Oz. Casting is as follows: > >Glenda, Good Witch of the North: Joni Mitchell >The Wicked Witch of the West, who has no actual name: Marilyn Manson >Dorothy: Bjork >The Tin Man: Don Henley >The Wizard of Oz: David Geffen >Toto: Benji the Fifth > >Casting is still not complete for the roles of the Scarecrow, the Cowardly Lion, and the Munchkins. > > I can just see --Bob/Ethel as the Cowardly Lion. Just imagine him saying: I do believe in spooks- I do, I do believe in spooks..." Love you Bob! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:44:16 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Early Live Recordings I have an extensive trade list for a number of artists I'm interested in but only have two recordings of early Joni (1-4-68 and 10-29-70), I would be interested in hearing some more of the early stuff, such as it is, that's out there. Can anyone point me in the right direction here, or possibly contact me off-list in order to work out a trade? Thanks. - -Dave PS- I looked at a database of show dates and I seem to recall a few shows that aren't on there... somehow, I thought she had done a solo show at the Auditorium Theatre here in Chicago around the time of Blue, which I always regretted not seeing. I also thought I did see her at the Ravinia Festival in Highland Park a couple of times... once around the time of For the Roses, then a few years later with the LA Express. The cover of Miles of Aisles looks exactly like the pavilion at Ravinia in the mid-70s, does anyone know if that indeed is the source? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:06:49 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 Rolling Stone has listed the "100 greatest records of all time as chosen by you." I see Madonna on this list 4 times, but no Joni. Weezer is on it twice, but no Joni. The list includes albums from the 60's and 70's, but no Joni. She is mentioned - once. Under Number 9 - Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page is quoted as saying, "Every musician wants to do something of lasting quality, and I guess we did it with 'Stairway'. I don't think there are too many people who are capable of it. Maybe one. Joni Mitchell." The fact that she is in some kind of cultural gulag, all but expunged from the collective memory saddens and angers me. Ruth Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:41:20 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Travelogue I was just internet shopping for cds and see that Joni's "Travelogue" is being released November 19. I think that's been mentioned already. What surprises me is that it will cost $34.98. Is that the going rate for a 2-cd release? Seems unusually pricey to me. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:41:52 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Norah Jones Debra Shea:- >She's getting a lot of attention. I've seen her on tv and listened to >some of her cd at the record store and found it so bland I didn't buy >it. Sounded like jazz with no life to it to me. Very easy listening kind of jazz pop and hardly ground-breaking I agree. Norah says this herself in an interview. Certainly not bland though. The album takes a few listens but it's very smoothe. Steve T. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:50:08 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Norah Jones Debra Shea wrote:- >She's getting a lot of attention. I've seen her on tv and listened to >some of her cd at the record store and found it so bland I didn't buy >it. Sounded like jazz with no life to it to me. Very easy listening kind of jazz pop and hardly ground-breaking I agree. Norah herself has said something along the same lines in an interview. Hardly bland though! The album takes a few plays. It is very nice and smoothe. I'm always very suspicious of commercial music but I like this and it is highly credible. She plays piano and does some of the writing but really it is a whole effort from the band. Steve T. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:05:04 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Norah Jones Amelio Alamo wrote: > > Very easy listening kind of jazz pop and hardly ground-breaking I agree. > Norah says this herself in an interview. Certainly not bland though. The > album takes a few listens but it's very smoothe. And probably listening through earphones in a busy store isn't the most conducive environment for experiencing the subtleties, so I may eventually change my mind about her. For now she seems like another neatly marketed, young, attractive female singer who's not taking any chances. Yesterday I listened to Hissing of Summer Lawns and was again impressed with how fresh-sounding and bold it is, and I loved being able to clearly hear Joni's still-intriguing lyrics. Compared to that, Norah Jones or Alicia Keyes don't seem very interesting. To me. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:15:55 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Norah Jones > Yesterday I listened to Hissing of Summer Lawns and was again impressed > with how fresh-sounding and bold it is, and I loved being able to > clearly hear Joni's still-intriguing lyrics. Compared to that, Norah > Jones or Alicia Keyes don't seem very interesting. To me. For me so much of what I like is in the voice...yes, Norah's cd is very mellow and not particularly bold but its her voice that really grabs me...I find it very unique and intoxicating...something intangible...I think the album could have picked up a little more near the end, maybe substitue "The Nearness of You" for something a little more peppy...but I'll be interested to see where she goes from here...India Arie is someone else I can just listen to and just get lost in her voice. And I'm still crazy about Aimee Mann. Both Hissing and Hejira I listen to pretty frequently and am likewise astounded by them continually. And I'll listen to Claudia sing anytime anywhere anyplace... Victor NP: Aimee Mann "Invisible Ink" - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:32:40 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Norah Jones >Yesterday I listened to Hissing of Summer Lawns and was again impressed >with how fresh-sounding and bold it is, and I loved being able to >clearly hear Joni's still-intriguing lyrics. Compared to that, Norah >Jones or Alicia Keyes don't seem very interesting. To me. > >Debra Shea Absaloutley! In my opinion I've never heard anything as good as 'The Hissing Of Summer Lawns' and I doubt I ever will! I think that is a record only Joni could have made. Norah Jones music is not in the same league but it is nice if you know what I mean. Alicia Keyes; I don't really think much of to be honest. It just seems like she is trying to be a female Stevie Wonder! My sister listens to her too which says it all really! Steve T. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:38:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Travelogue dsk wrote: > I was just internet shopping for cds and see that Joni's "Travelogue" is > being released November 19. I think that's been mentioned already. What > surprises me is that it will cost $34.98. Is that the going rate for a > 2-cd release? Seems unusually pricey to me. Surprise, surprise. Cynical Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:43:53 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 >Rolling Stone has listed the "100 greatest records of all time as chosen by >you." I see Madonna on this list 4 times, but no Joni. Weezer is on it >twice, but no Joni. The list includes albums from the 60's and 70's, but >no Joni. She is mentioned - once. Under Number 9 - Led Zeppelin, Jimmy >Page is quoted as saying, "Every musician wants to do something of lasting >quality, and I guess we did it with 'Stairway'. I don't think there are >too many people who are capable of it. Maybe one. Joni Mitchell." The >fact that she is in some kind of cultural gulag, all but expunged from the >collective memory saddens and angers me. > >Ruth Yes this is really sad. I am not suprised though! I don't think she will ever be properly appreciated my the general public. Someone at work the other day said that Joni Mitchell isn't really credible! Of course this could not be further from the truth. I said that she may not be seen as fashionable or trendy but she is perfectly credible. Steve T. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:55:40 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Goodbye... Hi all, Sadly I'll be leaving the list tomorrow because I am moving out from my Mums. I won't have a computer for a while and wont be able to check my emails all that often. There have been some great posts. It's always nice talking to Joni fans. Hope I haven't lurked too much or offended anybody! Thanks to everyone who have made me feel welcome. Bye, Steve T. "We should stay in touch Oh! Stay in touch In touch" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:57:22 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Travelogue Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > ... it will cost $34.98. Is that the going rate for a > > 2-cd release? Seems unusually pricey to me. > > Surprise, surprise. > > Cynical Jerry Cynical toward the music business in general? Or cynical toward Joni and her marketing decisions after the hatbox ripoff? I'm leaning toward the second one myself. I keep telling myself there was an entire orchestra to pay... it still doesn't feel quite right, though. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:00:16 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Travelogue dsk wrote: > Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > > > ... it will cost $34.98. Is that the going rate for a > > > 2-cd release? Seems unusually pricey to me. > > > > Surprise, surprise. > > > > Cynical Jerry > > Cynical toward the music business in general? > Or cynical toward Joni and her marketing decisions after the hatbox ripoff? Door number two. > > I'm leaning toward the second one myself. > > I keep telling myself there was an entire orchestra to pay... it still > doesn't feel quite right, though. I'm with you on this one. I'm not that excited about the Orchestrated Joni cd to begin with..... Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:04:29 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: Re: Mini UK fest...and new cover band! > Just had the pleasure of almost a mini-fest. Christina from > Denmark has been in London over the weekend, and had time to > hook up with Les Ross and trundle up to Cambridge. > The pleasure was very much mine as well! It's hard not to feel priviliged spending time and singing with two JMDL'ers who are equally nuts about the music - and play and sing it so well (yes YOU, Ross!). > Me? I'm slightly pished, but on a miniature high having just > reminded myself how much talent there is sloshing around this > place. I got pretty high from it myself! :-) I fell asleep in the car on the way back though, as Les was playing some very relaxing music on the stereo... It seems like *I've* been sourrounded by talent and meeting luck everywhere ever since I returned from JoniFest. Lastly, I've met a bass-player who plays Jaco Pastorius (only nearly as well as you, Chris :-) and who wants to form a whole band with me mainly doing songs from the four albums Jaco's played on (or are there more?). He proposed doing it just with a percussionist to gard the acoustic sound (and because it's hard to make money on playing Joni here (mentally retarded people! Musically anyway...)). We don't know if it might sound too sparse, though. I'd like to hear what you guys think of the idea? The bass-player also talked to a guitarist about doing a more broad selection of female singers cover band still doing Joni along with Jonatha Brooke and Sarah McLachlan. Any suggestions from you listers are more than welcome. These guys are REALLY good musiciens having both played professionally for several years and are open to moving abroad. For those of you who know the musical environment in NYC and/or knows someone who would book us for gigs overthere, I'd be happy to hear from you. We'll have a demo done within shortly. The BEST of it all was almost that THE BASS-PLAYER WANTS TO ATTEND JONIFEST NEXT YEAR!! When he said that he'd like to do this I jumped at least two meters off the floor! And I didn't even ask him (nor begged) about it! This guy is surely sent from heaven (or maybe I just sounded a bit eager telling him about the fest..?). Lots of thoughts from Denmark (that's turning too damn cold!), Christina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:05:53 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Goodbye... Hey- During a recent move, I, too, was computerless for about three months. But, I found a coffeehouse down the street from my new digs that had a computer. I'd spend a couple of bucks, sit there with my coffee and get caught up with the list about every 5 or 6 days. It became quite a fun little ritual for me. I hope you can find a similar setup for yourself, because we all enjoy your posts! Chat cafes are popping up all over! Good luck with your move! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:19:09 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue I'm going to look at the $35 price tag this way: I'm gonna be listening to these cd's alot. If you look at the price we pay for entertainment these days, it's actually a bargain. $10 to see a two hour movie=$5 an hour. I shudder to think what a fortune I'd have blown through if I paid $5 every time I listened to Hejira, let alone the entire catalogue of Joni's work. I think I paid about $11 bucks for Hissing--and I've listened to it over and over for the last 15 years. IMHO, and I am certainly not wealthy, this will be money well spent. I can't wait for November! Ken np: Beck, End of the Day ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:20:42 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Goodbye... >Goodness, I hope my disagreeing opinions about Norah haven't turned you >away! The timing of this worries me... LOL. Debra of course not. It takes more than that to turn me away. I prefer people to voice there opinions than hold their silence anyway. >Please return as soon as you can. It's always good to not only talk with >Joni fans but learn about, discuss, argue about (sometimes) all sorts of >music. Amen. I will be back as soon as I can. >And, oh, no, I don't think you've offended anyone. Your enthusiasm is >refreshing. > >Good luck on the move and getting a new computer, and happy listening! > >Take care, > >Debra Shea Thanks Debra. I will miss te list. Steve T. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:23:49 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Norah Jones On 1 Oct 2002 at 13:05, dsk wrote: > Amelio Alamo wrote: > > > > Very easy listening kind of jazz pop and hardly ground-breaking I > > agree. Norah says this herself in an interview. Certainly not bland > > though. The album takes a few listens but it's very smoothe. > > And probably listening through earphones in a busy store isn't the > most conducive environment for experiencing the subtleties, so I may > eventually change my mind about her. For now she seems like another > neatly marketed, young, attractive female singer who's not taking any > chances. > > Yesterday I listened to Hissing of Summer Lawns and was again > impressed with how fresh-sounding and bold it is, and I loved being > able to clearly hear Joni's still-intriguing lyrics. Compared to that, > Norah Jones or Alicia Keyes don't seem very interesting. To me. > Hearing Norah live makes it evident to me how much the debut misses in terms of how she is using elements of country, blues and jazz together. Alicia Keyes isn't even in the same league....the only thing she has in common with Norah is that they've both put out records around the same time. Norah is a recording artist. Alicia is a recording act. I think to compare any young artist's debut to Hissing is a bit unfair. Hissing was Joni's seventh studio album. It's nearly impossible for a debut artist to reflect years of recording experience in their first record. Norah is younger than Joni was when STAS was recorded and has far less experience than Joni had up to that point. I say give her a few years and see where she goes. B n.p.: Jacky Terrasson - "Just A Blues" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:33:56 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: I Dream of Joni . . . again! Last night I had a dream that Joni appeared in for free . . . I was at a Jonifest in a Full Moon-type place, although it wasn't Full Moon. Joni was sitting at a big circular bar and when she saw me she turned to the man next to her and told him -- I guessed from lip reading and the gestures she was making -- that she wanted to meet me. So I walked over to her, she stood up . . . and she was about seven feet tall! Shortly after that, Joni was going to perform using some kind of technology I had never heard of. Then there was an announcement that the equipment had broken down and Joni would not be performing. Another act started to play, and I think the dream ended. It's so nice to have a dream about Joni, especially when that darned Muller isn't in it! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:33:56 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Travelogue > Cynical toward the music business in general? > Or cynical toward Joni and her marketing decisions after the hatbox ripoff? Door number two.>> I agree...despite our passion for her here, she is barely a blip on the radar screen in the big scheme of things. Look at the RS survey that Sybil mentions...Joni didn't score ONE record in the top 100 of all time! Most of the fans who dug C&S aren't even aware of her newer projects. She's not a major unit-shifter, so Reprise looks to maximize revenues on her any way they can. I won't mention the hatbox scam again, but I will say that Ani's last 2 releases have been 2-CD sets, and I paid $16.99 - $18.99 for each. I would say that any price over $25 for Travelogue is excessive. But they're not stupid - they know that the maximum sales will happen in the first month, that us rabid fans will scoop it up when we can for what we have to pay, as most of have the resources. I'm not speaking from any REAL business knowledge, and I admit it. It just seems to be the approach that marketing establishes for her product. Bob, who will buy it the day it comes out for whatever the price is... NP: Prince, "Joint 2 Joint" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:37:18 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Travelogue Jerry Notaro wrote: > > I'm not that excited about the Orchestrated Joni cd > to begin with..... Me either! If there was a new song or two, written with an orchestra's backing in mind, then I'd be curious. I try to feel the enthusiasm of people who've seen her "demo" in Canada, and haven't been able to. It seems like complete self-indulgence on Joni's part, which maybe she's earned, and if she enjoys that "orchestra swelling behind her" then it's great she's able to go for it. But $35? I don't think so. I do look forward to seeing the documentary about recording the cd and perhaps will get into the whole idea a little more then. Debra Shea, who's feeling like a crabby old-fogey today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:49:20 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! >4. Chuck Mitchell - The Circle Game: Joni's ex sings the classic. Dontcha >just know she loved getting THIS royality check! Funny! This is the first time I have heard Chuck Mitchell..and I must say he has a pretty uninspiring voice. His voice is nice...but rather dull. Maybe because he was married to SIQUOMB herself I was expecting more. (not his fault) Bree PS: watched thee to see who in the world you might be..... > >Bob > >NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Lonesome Day" > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential >and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient >of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, >retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any >action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you >received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >material from any computer. 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Jerry np: Bryan Thomas Band - Black Crow It Rocks!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 rolling stone lost any music credibility with me a long long time ago...its more like people magazine, imo... >Rolling Stone has listed the "100 greatest records of all time as chosen by >you." ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Travelogue > but I will say that Ani's last 2 releases have been 2-CD sets, and I paid $16.99 - $18.99 for each. I would say that any price over $25 for Travelogue is excessive.< i agree that this price seems excessive & this price could be their undoing as far as sales go...who knows, maybe it will quickly go on sale...i don't know if joni has any say in record prices so she may not be the one to point the finger at here...it does seem like a foolish business decision on the record company's part considering the economic climate we are in right now... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Covers 33 - loosed upon the world! >11. Lincoln Mayorga - Both Sides Now: A very peppy and well-played version, and some interesting things going on with the arrangement. Definitely a nice change of pace.< wow, that name is a flash from the past...i remember meeting him & his wife judy & one of them (i can't remember who...maybe both? played killer violin/fiddle & we jammed on into the night... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:37:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Mini UK fest...and new cover band! exciting news christina! "He proposed doing it just with a percussionist to gard the acoustic sound. We don't know if it might sound too sparse, though. I'd like to hear what you guys think of the idea?" the idea greatly appeals to me...i think if you have great players then this gives everyone a chance to be heard a bit more & lets in a bit of space & clarity into the arrangements which can be a very positive thing... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:04:08 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue In a message dated 01/10/2002 18:56:18 GMT Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << Cynical toward the music business in general? Or cynical toward Joni and her marketing decisions after the hatbox ripoff? I'm leaning toward the second one myself. >> Ha ha! I endorse that view. Regardless of how much or little that limited edition was Joni's responsibility, it has to rank as one of the biggest wastes of money I've ever fallen for. I flogged it eventually, and haven't bought another copy of the album, on the grounds that I never listened to it anyway. I REALLY hope my dread about the new one is unfounded, but I have this horrible feeling it's going to be a turkey. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:26:51 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni Makeover? http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980927nydn.cfm Wow! Who gave Joni the complete makeover?? Was it re-touched!? She almost looks "homogenized" beyond recognition. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:28:09 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Travelogue With the ridiculous over-priced nature of the thing, without even the gimmick of that hatbox, might I humbly suggest that we all wait the total of seven days from its release until the first one of us purchases it - we will all buy it, we will all pay the price, but a seven day delay in that may make a point to the powers that be, whomever that may be. Then when bought, mail the bar code back to the company with a short message - "Love Joni, this is overpriced." Might make an impression, might not. If I idea is no damn good, fell free to flog it. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:05:19 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: PAZFEST CD Set Hear Ye! Hear Ye! Dear all joniphiles, If you have not yet made your donation to the Ruth Paz Foundation and received Michael's double CD set, what the heck are you waiting for? This set not only has FANTASTIC Joni covers, but it is professionally packaged and absolutely GORGEOUS! IMO the covers on this CD rival many of Bob's classic finds! When was the last time you heard a sexy male voice sing I THINK I UNDERSTAND, BLUE BOY or NIGHT RIDE HOME? Do yourself a BIG favor and click here to check it out and order. http://jmdl.com michaelpazz@directvinternet.com The BEST part is that the bucks go for a wonderful, selfless cause. Thank you, Michael Paz, for making this fantastic CD in honor of Joni's music and in keeping your mother's work alive. C'mon everbody, dig deep. Thanks for the bandwidth. Janine NP: Denise Marie Band -Blue Motel Room ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:06:21 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Early Live Recordings Detroit legend has it that the cover picture of "Miles Of Aisles" is the (Detroit) Pine Knob amphitheatre. To me, the title implies that it doesn't matter exactly which amphitheatre it is- there more alike than dissimilar. (Which is a good thing, to me. Better to have Joni in an open air amphitheater than in a hockey arena where you hear the echo and nothing but the echo.) On the other hand, it's been pretty well nailed down that most of the tracks were from a date in California somewhere. Steve Dulson, was it the Hollywood Bowl? Kakki, does that sound right? Lama David Sadowski asked: >> The cover of Miles of Aisles looks exactly like the pavilion at Ravinia in the mid-70s, does anyone know if that indeed is the source?>>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:32:40 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings Lama asked: > On the other hand, it's been pretty well nailed down that most of the tracks > were from a date in California somewhere. Steve Dulson, was it the > Hollywood Bowl? Kakki, does that sound right? It was at Universal Amphitheatre - August 14 - 17, 1974 - I was there the 17th and that is the night that most of the Joni chatter (Joni had more class than Gomer Pyle/Nixon, no one ever asked Van Gogh to paint a Starry Night again, etc.) was recorded. Dulson was probably there all four nights, I'm sure ;-) By the way, the liner notes also say that the recording of Cactus Tree was from the March 4 performance at the L.A. Music Center and For Free was from the March 2 performance at the Berkeley Community Center. Haven't seen recordings from those particular venues floating around - anyone have them?? ;-) Speaking of early live recordings, Cover Bob must beg, bribe, cajole and otherwise acquire Gary Zack's early 70s professional recording of Carnival in Kenora - Oh.... my.... gawd. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:59:42 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Travelogue I don't get the outrage! It's listed at CDNow for around $31.00. Hey, it's a 2 CD set. Van Morrison's Philosopher's Stone is still listed at $31.00. The Beatles Anthology 2 CD sets are $31.00. The Byrds 2 CD PreFlyte is $31.00, etc. and buying two CDs separately or together from any artist is going to usually total over $31.00. No one was forced to buy the hatbox - one could have bought the no frills version for $15.00. Here's another idea - go trade in the CDs you don't like for a credit to build toward it - I may do that - hahaha. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:21:33 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 amelio wrote: "Someone at work the other day said that Joni Mitchell isn't really credible! Of course this could not be further from the truth." I am afraid I agree with your friend here. I, too, find her incredible :-) Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:30:40 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue "Blasphemous Bob" Muller wrote: "I agree...despite our passion for her here, she is barely a blip on the radar screen in the big scheme of things. Look at the RS survey that Sybil mentions...Joni didn't score ONE record in the top 100 of all time! " I must demur (apparently with the notion of what constitutes the big scheme of things). I will not be around to know the answer, but it would not shock me if 30 years from now only a very few of the albums whose names appear on the top 100 list will still be on the same list when it is re-compiled. Yes, the Beatles (and a handful of the others) will endure. But not most. Here, I am substituting the enduring quality of art as a measure of the big scheme of things, but on a spiritual plane, there is more to it even than that IMO - even if it fails to endure, if it was great and is great, it remains so - even if its recognition is dormant. Comments by the artists of our time reflect that sentiment (whether it is from Jimmy Page (or Robert Plant), or Adam Duritz, or Tori Amos, or KD Lang, or David Crosby, or Dave Matthews, or Tony Bennet, or John Mellencamp, etc.). Really, we should make a list of the top 100 amazing things that have been said or written about her by people who have at least some right to claim their opinion counts. (I am not talking here about ordinary praise - but the truly extraordinary statements). I do wonder whether 50 or 100 years from now, some of her work will live on (at least among historians and cognescenti of popular music), as Crosby once suggested. Now, as for her record sales, at 300,000, that is fine with me. I like to think of myself as being in the top tenth of one percent of pop music appreciators. Any higher sales than that might threaten my percentile ranking. I count only the English speaking countries in this; still, I suppose we could go to 500,000 or so and I would still be OK. Why are the numbers so low ? My theory, still unshaken, is that the average American is a scary thing. That counts Canada - big time, in this case. Are you folks kidding ? She is your national treasure, for cryin out loud ! I absolve those Americans from non-English speaking countries from being guilty merely by virtue of JM's record sales (but my accusation stands on all other grounds, so I shall allow it to stand undelimited). As far as those of you from the UK, Australia and New Zealand go, at least she is not a resident or a citizen - so I could understand the rejection there on grounds of chauvinism, bias and/or jealousy. However, I am afraid that my instinct is that the average Brit, Aussie and New Zealander is also a scary thing ;-) The artists' and critics' polls place Joni much higher on the scales than that (see the old VH1 polls in this regard) - I weigh that more heavily in my view of whether Joni has made more than a blip on the screen of artistic merit. Should Joni care more about whether other artists admire her work, or more semi-literate, tone deaf, sugar loving record buyers ? Which is the big scheme of things for her ? Frankly, I am a bit surprised that the JMDL even became aware of the RS poll - - does anyone here actually buy that rag ? ;-). Clearly, I would not choose to be associated with such a cloddish, insensitive, semi-literate, uneducated lot. Oh, this poll must be findable on the internet - thank goodness, and never mind ! Bob S. PS - If anyone accuses me of offending them via the above, my reply in advance is the classic from the world of top 100, pop music "Oops, I did it again". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:35:26 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 And now we find that Steve T will be leaving us for a while, just because I referred to him as Amelio. I apologize - please don't leave :-) Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:22:06 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Travelogue I think this is an excellent idea and I'd love to help in the search. Tag, I think you're it, Bob No. 3, for starting one more JMDL section ;-) Kakki > Really, we should make a list of the top 100 amazing things that have been said or written about her by people who > have at least some right to claim their opinion counts. (I am not talking here about ordinary praise - but the truly >extraordinary statements). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:54:08 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: : Rolling Stone Readers Poll in Issue 907 Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > And now we find that Steve T will be leaving us for a while, just because I > referred to him as Amelio. Yes, that was it! That plus my No No to Norah must have put him over the top. How extraordinarily sensitive! He must be one of those Joni fans. :-) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:02:20 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings At 10/1/2002 08:32 PM, kakki wrote that she heard this uttered live: >"Joni had more class than Gomer Pyle/Nixon..." We need to find the person who said this... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:05:03 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Early Live Recordings Les, Yes, maybe you should put up a WANTED notice on the website ;-) - here is the proper quote: "Joni you have more class than Mick Jagger, Richard Nixon or Gomer Pyle combined" (at 5:23 on the Cold Blue Steel track. It's a guy without a Brit accent so it wasn't Dulson, but he did a big whoop ;-) While hunting for it I found some chatter I'd missed before - before the Van Gogh bit at around 3:10 on the Blue track some were yelling out requests and one girl yelled "Carey goddamit!" Then she whined "Carey." Then another girl yelled "Play what you want!" and Joni cracked up. Kakki > At 10/1/2002 08:32 PM, kakki wrote that she heard this uttered live: > >"Joni had more class than Gomer Pyle/Nixon..." > > We need to find the person who said this... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:30:23 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Travelogue kakki wrote: > > I don't get the outrage! It's listed at CDNow for around $31.00. Hey, it's > a 2 CD set. Oh, Kakki, all feels right with the world with you again speaking up on Joni's behalf. There's something very reassuring about that. I say that fondly and with no sarcasm intended anywhere at all (just in case anyone reads it that way). Yes, it's sweet. > Van Morrison's Philosopher's Stone is still listed at $31.00. > The Beatles Anthology 2 CD sets are $31.00. The Byrds 2 CD PreFlyte is > $31.00, etc. and buying two CDs separately or together from any artist is > going to usually total over $31.00. Travelogue still seems ripoffingly high to me. I haven't bought any of the 2 cd sets you mention and am used to going into HMV and getting new releases for around $12.99, occasionally even as low as $8.99, which feels like a fair enticement to get me to buy a new cd right away, so this $31.50-$35.00 seems steep. It's full price and a rather high one at that for two separate cds, and yet there's no choice about buying one or two. Doesn't feel quite right. Anyway, November 19 is weeks away so maybe the initial selling price will be changed before then, and those prices are some kind of trial balloon (if the record industry does that kind of thing). > No one was forced to buy the hatbox - > one could have bought the no frills version for $15.00. Here's another > idea - go trade in the CDs you don't like for a credit to build toward it - > I may do that - hahaha. Good idea. And true about not being forced to buy the hatbox... in my case compulsive fanhood came into play (sounds like a disease; felt like it too when I was in line waiting to pay $50+ for what looked like a flimsy gimmick, and feeling incredibly annoyed about that, and yet I paid; it wasn't my usual oh boy! new joni! experience). These days my compulsive fanhood is a bit more under control (until November 18 anyway). Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #285 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)