From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #274 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, September 21 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 274 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: September 20 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Goldie covered "Carey" [Julius Raymond ] Travelouge [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: Goldie covered "Carey" [AzeemAK@aol.com] "Produced by Joni Mitchell" [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Goldie covered "Carey" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The RS Chart [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Travelogue ["Laurent Olszer" ] america, america [Yael Harlap ] apologies [Yael Harlap ] Re: Travelogue Question ["Amelio Alamo" ] Dog Eat Dog Revisited and Don't Look Now [owen.duff@ntlworld.com (by way ] re: Travelogue question ["mia ortlieb" ] This one really cracks me up ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Chonies VLJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Dog Eat Dog Revisited and Don't Look Now ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Travelogue question [Engwall57@aol.com] Jonifest 2002 CD Tree sign-up's are OPEN for bidness!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Ry Cooder ["Blair Fraipont" ] re: revisiting dog eat dog [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: revisiting dog eat dog [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: This one really cracks me up! [Gertus@aol.com] Farm Aid Fiasco [Merk54@aol.com] Agnes Scott & joni club ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: america, america ["kakki" ] Re: america, america [colin ] Re: america, america ["mack watson-bush" ] jonimitchellfans list warning [Rick and Susan ] "Produced by Joni Mitchell" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 03:16:15 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 20 On September 20 the following items were published: 1979: "Joni Mitchell: A Reaffirmation" - Los Angeles Commerce Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790920lact.cfm 1996: "Mitchell enters hall of fame" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960920ssp.cfm 1996: "New Clubs Help Spread Folk Music Revival" - Detroit Free Press (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960920dfp.cfm 1998: "Ani DiFranco Chats With the Iconic Joni Mitchell" - Los Angeles Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980920lat.cfm 2001: "Harbourfront holds genius up to the light" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/010920tgam.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:36:15 -0700 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Goldie covered "Carey" I'm watching Jay Leno's Tonight Show and one of the guests is Goldie Hawn. Conversation turns to discussion of the early days of her career, when she was a dancer and erstwhile singer. It's a set-up though, as Jay soon surprises her by pulling out an album Goldie recorded, circa 1971. He goes on to say how he was gonna play some of it on the show to embarrass her, but that he actually found it pretty good. He said he chose his favorite track from the album to play tonight, that Joni Mitchell song, "Carey." Then he plays the song... Hmmm. She infused it with a bit of a country groove. Not too shabby. You go, Goldie. Hawn went on to tell the story of how she used to sing "Carey" at bedtime to her son, Wyatt, when he was around 3.. And how he had learned all the lyrics and sang along. And how he wanted to know what the lyrics "oh, you're a mean old daddy but I like you" meant. It was a cute story. I've always thought Goldie was a sweetheart. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to know she's an ardent admirer of Joni, like me. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 04:09:56 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Travelouge What song would I switch or add...Im not sure what I would replace but Id like to see Night Ride Home on there and Im also disappointed that Down To You isn't there...Im lookin forward to The Dawntreader it'll be interesting how she reinterprets that song hope all are doin well...peace and love ***kev*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:27:12 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Goldie covered "Carey" In a message dated 20/09/2002 08:36:52 GMT Daylight Time, jrmills@pacbell.net writes: > I'm watching Jay Leno's Tonight Show and one of the guests is Goldie Hawn. > Conversation turns to discussion of the early days of her career, when she > was a dancer and erstwhile singer. > > When I saw the heading of this post, I did a double-take: what, Goldie, the hard man of UK drum 'n' bass, covering a sweet li'l song like "Carey"?? That would be as unlikely a Joni cover as I could imagine. What next? Limp Bizkit covering "Michael From Mountains"? Britney Spears with her unique version of "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay"?? Goldie Hawn, though, OK, I can breathe again... Azeem in London NP: Mingus - Haven't listened for ages, sounds terrific. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:39:16 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: "Produced by Joni Mitchell" I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but I can't remember it: why do Joni's albums not bear the credit "Produced by Joni Mitchell"? I haven't checked back through all of them, but certainly there's no producer credit on Mingus, nor on Hejira - even though the sleeve of Mingus credits Joni and two others for mixing the album. Not like our Joan to be so coy, and she'd rightly have been proud of such a credit, it being virtually unheard-of at the time for a female artist to be producing her own records. Blimey, posting two JC items in a row - must be a record. Speaking of which, if anyone is curious about Mingus (the album) and has a decent record player, I'd recommend the original vinyl version, if you can find it, as you can enjoy the lovely paintings in all their glory. The same goes for For The Roses, but for different reasons, nudge nudge :-) Azeem in London, just having been amazed again by The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay. Over to Side 2... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:27:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Goldie covered "Carey" **Hmmm. She infused it with a bit of a country groove. Not too shabby. You go, Goldie. ** I only cringe when she CLEARLY sings "Mantle Of The Moon", but because she's Goldie and I've had a crush since she was bikini dancing on Laugh-In, I let it slide. Bob NP: Jane Michel, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:34:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The RS Chart **After studying it for awhile, I really didn't see what was so insulting to Joni. It only ties > her romantically to Crosby, Nash, and Taylor, which is no > big secret. The > chart is just stupid. I can't believe RS allowed such a juvenile piece into > > their magazine.** > Well, RS CAN be pretty juvenile...but I agree with you, this chart is no big deal & doesn't spill any dirt that wasn't commonly known. Methinks Joni's ire with RS was cumulative from the chart + being dubbed "Queen of El-Lay" + "Old Lady of the Year". She felt like she was being judged in one way while the rock 'n roll men were allowed/expected to buzz from flower to flower. And of course, she was right on. Bob NP: Lisa Yves, "Twisted" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:26:15 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Travelogue > From: "Blair Fraipont" > Subject: Travelogue > > I am just excited that Ry Cooder may be on the album. I heard > somewhere in the reports that he may have been on one of the tracks. The > last 2 1/2 years I have been a pretty big RY fan and the idea of him and > Joni collaborating or just having his guitar behind her voice with the same > orchestral maneuvers as "both sides Now" as the background, excites me. I > really do hope he is on the album Hi Blair, Don't get too excited. Although Ry is THE MASTER in my book, he's also such a discreet man that whenever he plays on other artists' albums you can barely hear him because he totally blends in with the artist's music style. He'll just bring some nice touches, but no radical transformation to Joni's. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:30:06 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: america, america >Is the supposed arrogance in the founding fathers deciding that >"America" would be part of the country's name? Well, why not? Other >countries could have done the same, yes? i just spent a few minutes searching, and i can't find the source and the story, but i know that the naming of the "United States of America" was a compromise between the states. I remember there were some other names up for consideration... I think they stuck with the dull (comparatively) "United States of America" because the states were wary of getting sucked into a Union and losing their individual power... I wish I remembered the names that were on the table - there was one really pretty one!! Maybe one of the librarians knows how to find this information quickly... :-) - -yael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:30:37 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: apologies to the jony-onlies - i'm sorry, i forgot to tag my message NJC. - -yael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:50:42 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Travelogue Question >Urge for Going does have a lot of potential for this kind of project. As >does Sweet Bird. Whadya think? >GARRET That was the other one I was thinking of. A lot of things seem to be going on in the background which would be pefrect. 'Sweet Bird' is so timeless aswell. I always used to skip that one but oneday it just rang true and It's one of my fave songs. Steve T. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:29:43 -0600 From: owen.duff@ntlworld.com (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Dog Eat Dog Revisited and Don't Look Now Does anyone else agree that it would be a great (and not too time-consuming or expensive) project for Joni to return to 'Dog Eat Dog' and, keeping the original vocals, remaster it in a more timeless form? Just acoustic piano and guitar on some of those songs would be delicious! I think DED would be judged a lot more fairly were it more in keeping with the production of her other work - I truly believe they're great songs but a lot of people cant listen to them because of how they sound. I often sing them just myself and piano - songs like 'the Three Great Stimulants' and 'Impossible Dreamer' sound great this way. Joni probably wouldnt want to return to a finished project, on the other hand she certainly seems to feel it deeply when one of her 'babies' doesnt get a fair run... well, its a shame she doesn't read the list (not that she'd listen to me Im sure!)! On an unrelated topic, after visiting Venice this year I bought the film 'Dont Look Now' on DVD (which is set there), I remembered it from seeing it when i was younger. I love the film, but can anyone throw any light on the ending? The documentary on the DVD only waffled on in a kind of luvvie manner about the imagery and genius of everyone involved. But no-one seems to know what it all means!! I know its open to interpretation but I can't think of an explanation for the ending at all... Probably no-one knows the film but JMDLers seem a clever bunch so I thought I'd give it a shot! Ciao for now, Owen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:31:44 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Travelogue question I would like to see "Chinese Cafe" swapped for "For Free". After thinking about "Sex Kills", it seems to me that Joni is way ahead of her time with this song. It may not click well with our generation, but after we have all vanished from this Earth, this song may go down in history in the textbooks. Many of my U.S. history textbooks have little vignettes on the pages with references to particular paintings, photographs, or songs that reflect the times of a certain period. I can certainly envision "Sex Kills" in one of these vignettes for a history textbook 50-100 years down the road. What does everyone else think? Mia - np "In the Garage" - Weezer _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:54:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: This one really cracks me up sleezy slimy thing to do! i think someone doing that should be excommunicated from the jmdl list for that ... off with their h..uh, names! Bob wrote "Here's a guy in the UK (former/current JMDL'er?) selling a CD that I made for him! I guess it was bound to happen..." ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:59:53 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: Chonies VLJC >> Will you also have a CMDL? Keep us all abreast! (Damn! Now I'm stealing from Muller!) --Bob Yes, indeed there will be a CMDL. First suggestion for the jonies chonies site is that jonies chonies would be, err, Blue. I thank our anonymous correspondent for that. You, know, there may be more, and better mike in barcelona NP Elvis Costello. The World of Broken Hearts - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:28:08 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog Revisited and Don't Look Now Okay, when I first started reading this I thought you were joking! Then I read on and understood what you were talking about. You know you might just be on to something 'cos some of her 80's lyrics do pop up in my head sometimes! "The old hate the young That's the whole heartless thing" (That came to me not so long ago after someone said something very agest to me! They know who they are!) Anyway I thought which album is that from and then I realized it was CMIARS. Considering her 80's albums don't get as many plays I was quite suprised. Yes I think the music to it sounds quite dated to me. I don't like most 80's stuff as a whole anyway. But yeah acoustic could work well. OWEN wrote:- >Does anyone else agree that it would be a great (and not too time-consuming >or expensive) project for Joni to return to 'Dog Eat Dog' and, keeping the >original vocals, remaster it in a more timeless form? Just acoustic piano >and guitar on some of those songs would be delicious! I think DED would be >judged a lot more fairly were it more in keeping with the production of her >other work - I truly believe they're great songs but a lot of people cant >listen to them because of how they sound. I often sing them just myself and >piano - songs like 'the Three Great Stimulants' and 'Impossible Dreamer' >sound great this way. Joni probably wouldnt want to return to a finished >project, on the other hand she certainly seems to feel it deeply when one >of >her 'babies' doesnt get a fair run... well, its a shame she doesn't read >the >list (not that she'd listen to me Im sure!)! > STEVE T. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:39:28 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: re: Travelogue question At first I thought 'Sex Kills' sounded like a bad attemp to get with the times but then I really listened to what she was saying and her anger... It really does point alot of things out for just one song. Watching her perform it on 'Painting With Words And Music' really changed my mind too. No, I think 'Chinese Cafe' is a great choice, but yeah 'For Free' would have worked wonderfuly. >I would like to see "Chinese Cafe" swapped for "For Free". > >After thinking about "Sex Kills", it seems to me that Joni is way ahead of >her time with this song. It may not click well with our generation, but >after we have all vanished from this Earth, this song may go down in >history in the textbooks. Many of my U.S. history textbooks have little >vignettes on the pages with references to particular paintings, >photographs, or songs that reflect the times of a certain period. I can >certainly envision "Sex Kills" in one of these vignettes for a history >textbook 50-100 years down the road. What does everyone else think? > >Mia - np "In the Garage" - Weezer > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Steve T. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:34:12 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue question In a message dated Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:31:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, hvnphun16@hotmail.com writes: >I can certainly envision "Sex Kills" in one of these vignettes for a history textbook 50-100 years down > the road. What does everyone else think? > > Mia - np "In the Garage" - Weezer It definitely is a snapshot of what's is wrong with the world today. When Joni says, "Sex kills", is she referring to the AIDS epidemic? Or to sex used in advertising to sell harmful products? Or to the linkage between sex and violence in movies and TV that is poisoning people's minds? Or to all of the above? Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:47:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2002 CD Tree sign-up's are OPEN for bidness!! OK, most of you have heard the tracks that Les put up...now it's time for the whole deal! I'm going to set up a CD-Tree, because I feel like these are going to be much sought-after, and I want to get them in everyone's hands as quick as possible. All you have to do is go the JMDL home page (that would be your basic www.jmdl.com) and clink on the link for the sign-up. I'll start putting the tree together and we'll go from there. If you have any questions, let me know, but most of them will be answered on the signup page that Les has provided. (He makes all this SO easy!) So...what are you waiting for!! Ready, set go! :~) Bob NP: Counting Crows, "American Girls" (maybe they should have called it "USA Girls?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:55:56 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Ry Cooder Hey Laurent, IF that is what I get, that is what I get, and I will sure be happy with just an appearance. I guess a good example of him blending in would be when he did Slide for "Full Force Gale" with Van Morrison on the "Into the Music Album" Thanks again. BLair >Hi Blair, > >Don't get too excited. Although Ry is THE MASTER in my book, he's also >such >a discreet man that whenever he plays on other artists' albums you can >barely hear him because he totally blends in with the artist's music style. >He'll just bring some nice touches, but no radical transformation to >Joni's. > >Laurent _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:47:35 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: re: revisiting dog eat dog Responding to Owen's suggestion about revisiting DED to 'fix' the production and lend it some more timeless quality or whatever - sorry that sounds disparaging. I am generally of the opinion that joni's live and acoustic takes on her songs are the ones of which I am most fond and feel work better. But I'm saying that not having heard all the (unofficially) available recordings of her live (ie non-produced) work. Citing the San Remo performance of Lakota as an example. This is a song i really like from CMIARS which is transformed and wonderful when sung with just acoustic guitar (and klien's rather polka dot bass playing). Ashara gave each of us Jonifest 2002 attendees a splendid compilation video of joni clips one of which was joni playing Farm Aid back whenever. Joni played Three Great Stimulants and (a personal favourite) Dog Eat Dog. Well, TGS was 'nothing' and DED was hammered out on the 'pianner' in a stylee that brought to mind Nina Simone at her truculent worst. The song ended with Joni barking out 'Dogeatdog!', 'Dogeatdog!' All the beauty and light she brought to the recorded version, of what is a song of bitter subject, was entirely lost. It stank and the seemed hardly worth the effort. Both songs seemed slight and pissed off. Mind you, the audience was noisy and knowing our Joan's prediliction for attentive and well mannered audiences, no doubt this informed her performance. When listened to on the produced record with all the accoutrements of over-production I think they are very good indeed. I like them a lot. All, of course, in my very humble opinion. les (london and still rotten with post fest blues - get over yourself boy!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:33:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: revisiting dog eat dog **It stank and the seemed hardly worth the effort. Both songs seemed slight and pissed off. Mind you, the audience was noisy and knowing our Joan's prediliction for attentive and well mannered audiences, no doubt this informed her performance. ** You're right, Les...not a good performance. I would submit the 1985 "Rock Master Class" performances as much more enjoyable. Joni is surrounded by adoring fans in an intimate setting, and provides some great commentary along with unplugged takes on Three Great Stims, Impossible Dreamer, & Dog Eat Dog, along with that fascinating piano improv. Almost essential. > > **les (london and still rotten with post fest blues - get over yourself > boy!)** > Why? Nobody else has! :~) Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Dust" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:47:53 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: This one really cracks me up! Bob writes: > Here's a guy in the UK (former/current JMDL'er?) selling a CD that I made > for him! I guess it was bound to happen... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=907661596 > Hey Bob, You may have found this amusing but it means I'm going to have to change my nationality rather than be associated with such a low down crumb! The question is what nationality should I chose? I'm thinking about Portuguese because those people are always so nice to me when I go there on holiday and I feel at home there. Any Portuguese members on the list or would I be the only one and, therefore, very lonely? Hmm. I 'd have to move my flag on the JMDL map which may not be too easy though. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:47:38 -0400 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Farm Aid Fiasco I remember that Farm Aid concert fairly well. A bunch of my friends went, but I was dying to go just to see Joni, but was unable to attend due to another commitment. I was able to tape it, and between watching the whole tape, and talking to my friends who attended, I can't really blame Joni for being a bit pissy. The whole concert was extremely long, and if I recall correctly, it was a pretty hot day. For whatever reason, they booked Joni as the second to the last act, right before the main headliner (I want to say it was U2, but can't recall for sure). By the time Joni hit the stage, the crowd was extremely restless, and really just looking forward to seeing the headliner - most of them probably never even heard of Joni. My friends said that the crowd was very rude to her, and at one point someone in the audience even through a beer at her - I think you can even see it in the tape if you watch for it. Hardly the environment for a memorable performance. Of course, Joni was Joni. She probably could have played down to the crowd by playing BYT, and as a result received a warmer reception, but she always follows her own muse, often at the cost of her own popularity. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:59:34 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Agnes Scott & joni club sorry for posting this to the whole list but someone on the world map said they attended Agnes Scott College and wanted to start a joni club...Gwendolyn V I think... please contact me... Victor NP: Allman Brothers "In Memory of Elizbeth Reed" - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:34:29 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: america, america Yael wrote: > >Is the supposed arrogance in the founding fathers deciding that > >"America" would be part of the country's name? Well, why not? Other > >countries could have done the same, yes? I think it's because that was what it was commonly called way back in the old days. > i just spent a few minutes searching, and i can't find the source and the > story, but i know that the naming of the "United States of America" was a > compromise between the states. I remember there were some other names up > for consideration... Columbia was one of them. > I think they stuck with the dull (comparatively) > "United States of America" because the states were wary of getting sucked > into a Union and losing their individual power... That's a good point I had not considered. When anyone asks me where I come from I say "California" to people from other countries and "L.A." to people from the U.S. (Gawd, how arrogant is that - treating California as if it is its own country?! ;-) And since half of California is not on the North American continent but is part of the Pacific Plate, we may not technically be be included. Maybe that is part of Oceania and we could call ourselves "Ceani's" for short. Like John's idea of Turtle Island very much. We could call ourselves "Turts." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 02:07:19 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: america, america > When anyone asks me where I come from I say "California" to people from > other countries and "L.A." to people from the U.S. i would think you could say LA to anyone form anywhere and they would know where you mean..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:07:04 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: america, america Kakki wrote: - - treating California as if it is its own country?! ;- But Kakki, isn't it? Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:14:05 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: jonimitchellfans list warning Someone has been posting to the JoniMitchellfans list with the subject line: I just found a new website here. Warning: Do not click on the URL! Infinite windows will open up and if you're not able to stop it in time (as I wasn't) your computer will crash. I also got a window saying my internet preferences were damaged but I haven't noticed anything different. I did go through my cookies and deleted anything I didn't recognize. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:14:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Produced by Joni Mitchell" In many interviews, she's said that she "doesn't know what the word means". Sometimes she says that she generally doesn't work with "outside" producers 'cause she doesn't "want someone ELSE'S brush strokes" on her canvas. That said, I wouldn't be the first person to notice that she gave some people a great amount of creative freedom to move around within her canvas. Jaco for example at the very begining of "Sweet Sucker Dance". Just before her vocal starts, he put this figure in that practically steps on her. Most people wouldn't have left that in there but it really builds tension in a jazz way. There's no way (in my opinion anyway) that a rock bassist like John Entwistle would have stepped into that particular space. It says oceans about Joni's thirst to collaborate in those days, and about the fact that she had some really, really wonderful players with her. Maybe there's chapter to be written called "Joni's sidemen". Hmmmmm. Stills, jt, Shorter, Erskine, Blade, Hancock, Jaco, Larry, shit! That's just for starters! Lama asked, >>>>>> I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but I can't remember it: why do Joni's albums not bear the credit "Produced by Joni Mitchell"? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:22:08 -0500 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: new to list Hi Bree, As a matter of fact my friend sent me the video. I love the air force museum. My father was in the air force, and we went a lot. I live west of Dayton. Maybe one day we'll meet. How long have you been a fan of JM? Do you like Skyline? I love the stuff. There aren't too many up this way. I love Cincinnati, such a clean city. I hate hearing about all the recent problems they've been having. I hope to hear from you again. Kasey - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bree Mcdonough Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:02 PM To: kaseyone@msn.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: new to list Hi Kasey!! Welcome!! I'm glad you are here!! I live fairly close to you...I live about twenty miles north of Cincinnati. You are probably about an hour or less from me. Do you live north or south of Dayton. Come to think of it. east or west of Dayton. I was just at Wright-Patterson, took my nephews to the airforce museum....about two weeks ago. Let us know which Joni tunes you start with? Also ..may I suggest PWWM....(Painting with Words and Music) Maybe your friend has it? Also the TNT all- star tribute to Joni. This was various artists doing all Joni tunes....it was fabulous!! Take care.. Bree >Joni fan >and I'm not really familiar with her music. I thought I would see what >it's >all about. >Is there anyone here from Ohio? I live just outside of Dayton. I'm >looking >forward >to reading the posts. > KaceyGet more from the Web. FREE >MSN >Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #274 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)