From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #269 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, September 16 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 269 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town ["Mark or Travis" ] Today in History: September 15 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: September 15 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: "...they say I've changed" jc, actually [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Glee] RE: dry cleaner from des moines content [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup] RE: from Christina [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup ] Jonie & Bonnie [Julian Parker-Burns ] Re: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #366 [Kardinel@aol.com] Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS ["Mike Pritchard" ] When All The Slaves Are Free [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS [dsk ] Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS ["Jim Leonard" ] Re: De-railed? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS ["Heather" Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town > I was wondering wanted or would like to share their thoughts on the album > Ghostyhead. I know that Warner Brothers visciously yanked it from > circulation after they did absolutely nothing to either support it or give it > the exposure it deserved. I've always wanted to get my hands on an official > version and I was wondering if anyone knew if it was being re-released in the > future. I bought the mp3s from Rickie Lee's web site. Travis found a shareware program to convert them to wav files and I was able to burn them onto a cd. Sounds as good as a manufactured cd and it's not bootlegging because Rickie Lee is getting money for the mp3s. $.75 a track if I remember right. Remarkably cheap for what you get. I think Ghostyhead is brilliant. 'Roadkill' is one of the most chilling things I have ever heard. Rickie Lee lived in Tacoma for awhile & I wonder if 'Little Yellow Town' is about Tacoma. Not sure why. Just a hunch. 'Howard' is another song that just blows me away. 'Firewalker' is classic Rickie Lee and 'Matters' is another great song. I know some Rickie Lee Jones fans here on the list hate this record but personally I think it's great. Mark E. in Seattle (who used to talk Rickie down until he saw her perform live and & then he changed his handle on the Joni list from Mark in Seattle to Mark E. in Seattle 'cause Mark E's in love with Rickie Lee and my middle name is Edward.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:12:55 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: September 15 1979: Joni performed at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles, California. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:12:55 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 15 On September 15 the following item was published: 1979: "Mitchell sings: cheers and tears" - Oakland Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790915ot.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:51:24 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: Re: "...they say I've changed" jc, actually Jim, I actually did sing "Dry Cleaner" at the Fest (but maybe you were out looking for a Danish flag..? ;-)) I guess, I didn't mention that in my post. I was so happy getting the chance to do this song with Chris Marshall and Les Ross who are both wonderful musicians! Thanks for explaining me the lyrics...they're great! And very funny, which again shows her sense of humour. I'm sure, I don't capture the humour (as well as the meaning) in a lot of Joni's songs, and I might get back to you later with other lyrics that "make no sense". Which (as said before) is one of the great things about this list... Christina, enjoying singing "Dry Cleaner" every day... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:00:11 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: RE: dry cleaner from des moines content Thank you, Patrick, I'm happy you enjoyed it! Stick around friday am (or thursday) next year, where I hopefully allready will be rehearsing new jazz songs with Les and Chris. I'm often thinking about the great times I had with you in NYC and I look forward to going back seeing all of you fun new yorkers!! Christina Citat patrick leader : > christina, i'm so glad you're posting. some of us newyorkers went to xunta > in the e'ville tonight for kay's birthday and i thought of you and henning > and chris and les and alison... > > there's something really notable about christine singing so well at jonifest > and later writing: "Until recently, I hadn't heard any of Joni's jazz > material which I >can't wait to learn to sing." on saturday am jonifest > weekend, i was lucky enough to be sitting in another room while les ross, > chris marshall and christina friis-nielsen first rehearsed 'dry-cleaner' it > was completely accomplished, and completely true to 'Joni's jazz material', > and one of my most treasurable moments of the weekend. > > patrick > > np - lou harrison - suite for violin, piano and small orchestra > Christina Friis-Nielsen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:27:12 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: RE: from Christina WOW, thank you so much, Mary! I've been worrying about trying to imitate too closely, and I'm so happy that you find an original touch in there, as well. I'm glad you like the cd too. It was such a joy for me to record, which I just hope got through in the songs. > I especially look forward to seeing what Christina, Henning, and the band do > in the future with some of Joni's later, lesser-known stuff I have about five newly purchased cd's with Joni and I REALLY don't know which ones, I want to do the most (this not meant in an arrogant way!). I do know that some of them wouldn't fit me. Like I think that I'll leave Talk to Me to Bob, whose interpretation of it blew me away (though I didn't know the song)! Having a band play on a future cd will depend on the sales of the first one, but I'd definately like to do more of the newer songs as from Night Ride Home. We might try them as a duo rendering them more simplistic (don't know if it'll work, though..) > > "A good listener"?? *I'll* say!!! > My friend didn't think so... ;-D My best to you, Christina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Parker-Burns Subject: Jonie & Bonnie (De lurking here) Just thought I'd add in a bit on the Bonnie-Joni thread... From the wonderful (but now out of print, I believe) book "Baby Let Me Follow You Down" by Eric Von Schmidt & Jim Rooney concerning the Cambridge, Mass. folk scene in the early 60's...there is a great interview with Bonnie Raitt about her time there..."By the time I was in the last two years of high school, I went to a Quaker school in Poughkeepsie, New York, and that's where I started to hear about the Club 47. I just couldn't wait. I was pklaying guitar, and I was a real folkie. It wasn't that I wanted to play music so much, it's just that I wanted to be around it. So I chose Radcliffe because of Cambridge and the Club 47 and went there in the fall of'67....Jack [Fertell] started taking me to the Club 47. The first person I saw there swas Spider John Koerner, who I fell in love with and since have never stopped being in love with. I saw Canned Heat. Jack wouldn't let me see Taj Majal becaouse he figured I'd jump the stage! I saw Joni Mitchell, wearing that little red satin, pleated mini-skirt with her hair rolled up. That was it!" I'm assuming that her comment of "That was it!" was perhaps the experience of seeing Joni clinched the singer/songwriter deal for her and led her down the path to becoming the great artist that Bonnie is. So from this point of view...thanks again Joni for inspiring another shining star. On other notes...is anyone here having a hard time getting on to the Joni.com site? For some reason I can no longer access the site. Any thoughts? Take care, Julian ===== Julian's Art Gallery can be seen at: http://community.webshots.com/user/julianparkerburns Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:08:02 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Hones, Ghostyhead, & Little Yellow Town Actually, this was this first RLJ album I was exposed to and I enjoyed it thoroughly. MY 11th grade english teacher had a copy of it on tape which i borrowed. We both actually lent each other Joni Albums and music we both were fond of. I recall that I really liked the etherial sounding songs like "vessel of Light" and "Chinese B Movie" Blair > >I think Ghostyhead is brilliant. 'Roadkill' is one of the most chilling >things I have ever heard. Rickie Lee lived in Tacoma for awhile & I wonder >if 'Little Yellow Town' is about Tacoma. Not sure why. Just a hunch. >'Howard' is another song that just blows me away. 'Firewalker' is classic >Rickie Lee and 'Matters' is another great song. I know some Rickie Lee >Jones fans here on the list hate this record but personally I think it's >great. > >Mark E. in Seattle >(who used to talk Rickie down until he saw her perform live and & then he >changed his handle on the Joni list from Mark in Seattle to Mark E. in >Seattle 'cause Mark E's in love with Rickie Lee and my middle name is >Edward.) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:01:22 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #366 As far as DJRD album goes it's a bit scattered but has some great lyrics. Hejira is one of the best albums ever made and Joni's very best as far as poetry and music. her girlish voice was fine at the time but listening to it sounds like she is still a kid. Her albums started to change a lot with For the Roses. Her voice was already lower and more mature but with Hissing and Hejira she changed a lot as did her voice. I don't care for the 80's music she made or her perm but in the 90's she recaptured the things that made her great-good poetry and music. She dares to take chances that is why she was never bland like so many in the music world. She truly paved the way. I have listened to her since 1968 and seen her twice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:10:25 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS I think that joni's use of 'fay' rather than 'fey' is either a typo or has no importance or both. I have always understood, and used 'fey' to mean lightweight, insubstantial, dilettante, as in joni's self-comparison with the real, solid, paid-his-dues blues singer of Furry. A modern synonym would be 'Lite', i.e. lacking flavour, cholesterol or alcohol. mike in bcnnp bebel gilberto. tanto tempo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:51:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonie & Bonnie Hi Julian! Great to hear from you bud! Thanks for sharing that Club 47 story, I hadn't seen that before. Look like Joni did push Bonnie off the fence, and I'm glad she did! I haven't had any problems with the sites, maybe you were trying to get there when Jim was updating it. He'll probably be busy for awhile; there seems to be a definite increase in the Joni action with her new project just over the horizon...which is a good thing. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Do It Again" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 09:54:25 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Jonie & Bonnie > I'm assuming that her comment of "That was it!" was > perhaps the experience of seeing Joni clinched the > singer/songwriter deal for her and led her down the > path to becoming the great artist that Bonnie is. So > from this point of view...thanks again Joni for > inspiring another shining star. I seem to remember that Bonnie mentioned Joni after she had won a Grammy award or two back when her records finally started moving in large numbers. She made some comment that it was Joni's turn for a 'come back', saying that Joni deserved it. Anybody else remember this or know the specific quote or occasion I'm referring to? Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:13:58 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: When All The Slaves Are Free Any Canadians planning on attending, Stephen? If so, please send us your reviews Theatre Both Sides Now, The Circle Game and Big Yellow Taxi are a few of the classic songs that audiences will hear as part of a new musical revue celebrating the brilliant, wide-ranging work of Canadian singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell. When All the Slaves are Free: The Words and Music of Joni Mitchell opens this week at the Great Canadian Theatre Co. After preview performances Tuesday and Wednesday, the show opens Thursday and continues to Sept. 29. The revue was created and directed by playwright Bryden Macdonald, who has created similar shows around the music of Leonard Cohen and Carole Pope. Three singers (Elizabeth Beeler, Susan Henley and Mary Kelly) will be accompanied by jazz piano, percussion and bass as they take audiences on a theatrical journey through Mitchell's more than three decades of work. The theatre is at 910 Gladstone Ave. Performances are Tuesdays to Saturdays at 8 p.m., with additional Saturday performances at 4 p.m. and Sunday performances at 2 p.m. Tickets are $26 for evening shows, $14 for matinees and for the preview performances Tuesday and Wednesday. The Sept. 15 matinee is pay-what-you-can. Tickets: 236-5196. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:46:53 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Mike Pritchard wrote: > > I think that joni's use of 'fay' rather than 'fey' is either a typo or > has no importance or both. I have always understood, and used 'fey' to > mean lightweight, insubstantial, dilettante, as in joni's self-comparison > with the real, solid, paid-his-dues blues singer of Furry. A modern > synonym would be 'Lite', i.e. lacking flavour, cholesterol or alcohol. That's close to what I thought for years, too. I enjoyed learning that Joni's intention may be more complex than that. After the many dissections here of Joni's lyrics, I can no longer think that any of her word choices are mere typos and unimportant, although there are a few such as "boo hoo" and "here kitty kitty" that seem so obvious it's hard to imagine ever finding any additional meanings for them (that's what I used to think about Joni's use of the word fay also). Anyway, I'm not saying that to argue but to express admiration for Joni's masterful use of words, and surprise that after all these years I can still learn from her. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:06:00 -0400 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS I'm way behind on my digests. (There are four long ones waiting to be read.) But, in case no one else has mentioned this, I've always heard the line as "W.C. Handy, I'm rich and I'm famed." In the context of the larger lyric, it makes far more sense to me that Joni would write/sing this than write/sing "fey." Published lyrics, whether printed on album covers or in books, are notoriously untrustworthy. I've come to believe the artists don't supply the transcriptions themselves. Best, Boston Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:44:47 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I've just listened to it again, in the light of all the discussion and interesting views that have been offered on the list. My general take on this album has long been that it's the last truly great record that Joni made; and that I still didn't know it as well as many of her other ones. Generally, what sticks out for me is that this is her acoustic guitar album - she's playing very strongly driving rhythm guitar, with the principle difference from Hejira being that on that album she was playing exclusively electric guitar. Playing in that kind of style but on acoustic gives a very different feel, which I like a lot. I know that a few people have mentioned the similarity between Talk To Me and the title song and Certain Other Songs by Joni, and I concur: the former sounds like a hybrid of Coyote and In France They Kiss On Mainstreet, and seems like the weakest song on the record (I'm not crazy about Off Night Backstreet either); while the latter is also very reminiscent of Coyote, though it's still a pretty good song. I love side three of the record: I think Tenth World is fabulous, and can't keep still when listening to it. I don't understand why it doesn't segue seamlessly into Dreamland, though. Paprika Plains is simply magnificent, a true one-off in the canon of popular music - I mean, is there anything similar, anywhere?? And she saves the best to last: The Silky Veils Of Ardor is one of her very greatest songs, haunting, simple and profound. Overall, it's right up there. If I had to choose an album to fit that "Terrible Albums By Great Artists", I'd have to pass with Joni, and not just because I love her; I love David Bowie, Richard Thompson, Bonnie Raitt and Bob Dylan, for example, but each of them have indeed produced "dogs": Never Let Me Down, Mirror Blue, Nine Lives and, well, take your pick. Joni's nearest would be WTRF, but even that has one stone classic on it, and is at least listenable. Azeem in London NP: Was (Not Was) - What Up Dog? Isn't "Anything Can Happen" a wonderful song?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:25:34 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: fay and DJRD Yes, I think Debra and the others ("Brenda ?") are on target re fay. The Random House unabridged (what a dictionary !) shows fay - (third definition) - slang - ofay (by shortening) ofay - slang (disparaging and offensive) a white person. (the popular notion that the word is a Pig Latin deformation of 'foe' is very dubious) Anyway, I did not give 'fay' a moment's thought for the first 25 years, since I had quit on Hejira (it was too complex and not intimate enough for me in my youth). When I finally grew up enough to get her 'later' music, I of course assumed it was some West Coast slang for 'famous' :~) Sybil, I repeat my painful confession for your benefit. Having quit on her with Hejira (I did not like Hissing, either), I later bought WTRF and DED, but did not like them either. Then, circa 1999, I bought TI and oops - I liked it. I then listened to NRH,and loved it, too. Then, I rediscovered Hejira - and finally 'got it'. Next came HOSL, and finally, I revisited DED and WTRF. Then, knowing that I probably was not yet ready for Mingus, I skipped to DJRD, with some reservations. It took a while for me to get DJRD, but not that long. DJRD is not a terrible album - au contraire - it is a great album by a great artist. The only things that stop it from being a masterpiece, IMO, are the 10th World (as Bob M already said), and perhaps Otis and Marlena, which is a bit ordinary by JM's standards. And, in my case, I have a problem with Jericho - which others think is a great song (I think it may subtly and unwittingly reveal why she seems to have had trouble sustaining long term relationships - but even if I am right, I must admire the openness and honesty of the art in that song). Cotton Avenue is perhaps her best opener ever, and the sequence of the final 4 songs (Dreamland, DJRD, Off Night Backstreet and Silky Veils of Ardor) is one of the strongest finishes to an album I have ever heard. Throw in the ambitious Paprika Plains, and Talk to Me (Woman of Heart and Mind on cocaine), and - again to quote that know-it-all Mueller - WOW. (This is not intended as an insult - I once spoke to the long time editor of Golf Illustrated about certain personalities, and when we got to Jack Nicklaus, he said - "well, he's pretty much a know-it-all - but, then again, he pretty much knows it all). ;-) Anyway, I suggest from personal experience that it may prove humbling if not humiliating to confuse one's inability to 'get' one of JM's records with the record's inferiority. Stick with it, Sybil. Bob S PS - I Love your stories about your turning your son onto JM via Duritz - thank you so much for sharing them. I have hopes for my own daughter, who professes disdain, but is showing signs of coming around a bit - perhaps in part because one of her friends reacted favorably to JM when my 'obsession' came up in conversation. Also, I was at a wedding recently - a Springsteen song was played by the best man, and the reading from the scriptures was 'Love" from Corinthians - and the table of 25 year old Bruce fans next to ours asked if I was a big Bruce fan, since I am from NJ and a guitar player. I told them 'not really', that I had limited time for music listening and that I barely had time for my obsession. They asked who, and when I replied , one of the young ladies looked at me with apparent admiriation and said "Go, Bob", while the others volunteered that JM was indeed worthy. So, there is hope among the youth of today, IMO. Sybil wrote: 'I'm going WAY out on a limb here - DJRD is the LAST Joni Mitchell album I purchased. Like you, I loved Joni's early work and her girlish voice. I noticed the subtle changes, and I was with her until DJRD. I must say I agree with the critic from Q magazine - it's an awful album from a great artist. And it caused me to stop listening. I'll be retiring to an undisclosed location now to enjoy martinis with Mr. Cheney. Sybil' > I have every Joni CD from Blue through Hejira.I don't want to listen to >Joni's later music(80's through now)because though I love her high,pretty >voice,I don't like her deeper voice.What does everyone think of DJRD?Does >it compare well to her earlier music? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:16:30 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #367 Mark E wrote "And I still think that the idea that Mingus or Klein or anybody else de-railed Joni's career is pure bunk. Mingus gave her the opportunity of a life time. Klein maybe wanted to have more control or influence than he did but I can't believe that Joni gave control of her music to anybody else at that point of her career. That's my *opinion* anyway." Mark, I agree with that. I do not know if you were replying to Bob M's comment about my musings. If not, never mind. If so, I would like to clarify. I feel that with DJRD, Joni was on a roll, a creative one featuring her concepts. When the Mingus request came, she had a decision - to continue on her own tack (which was sailing strong), or to shift tacks to have a chance to sail with a legend. I do not question her decision - either on its merits, or in the context of the immediacy of it - this decision could not be put off to another year. And I respect one of the other views, that this 'experiment' (HOLS thru DJRD) had run its course anyway - although Joni had thertofore proven that she could keep going higher and higher, seemingly against all credulity. However, I doubt that her next musical adventure, had it been left to her own devices, would have been in the 'Mingus" direction - a rather different musical genre, and a collaboration. I wonder what direction she would have chosen on her own. In any event, surely noone else de-railed her. Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:36:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: De-railed? **In any event, surely noone else de-railed her.** And this was not a word that I used either. And I'm certainly in agreement that Mingus presented her with a once in a lifetime shot, too good to pass up. She admits as much, even knowing it would kill her commercially, which it did. She wasn't de-railed, but she went in a different direction than she would have gone had the opportunity not presented itself... WTRF was an attempt to re-enter the commercial market...great record, I loved it from day one and still do, but when you advertise Lionel Ritchie's involvement with the project (don't I remember stickers on WTRF with his name mentioned?) and Ritchie has the best-selling LP in the nation (Dancing On The Ceiling), it's a great leap of the imagination to think that was mere coincidence. And for the record, I like Ritchie's vocal on YDFT, always have. Joni could have done the vocals on her own, as she in fact did on the WTRF tour in '83. Oh, and throw a duet on there with JT, but not to try and court back her old fans! ;~) Anyway, I don't mean to beat a dead horse re: Klein. He's a talented musician, producer, and all. But did he make suggestions to Joni regarding her musical projects? Of course! That's not speculation, when you listen to interviews you hear them both discussing it. She even admits in a 90's interview that she doesn't consider DED as HER project. (BIG NOTE: this is not meant to diss the 80's projects, merely to suggest that because she was in love she made some artistic compromises to please her partner. ) Does anyone here think that her 80's projects would have been the same had Klein NOT been involved? Bob NP: Marie LaForet, "Both Sides Now" (French) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:21:09 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: De-railed? She even admits in a 90's > interview that she doesn't consider DED as HER project. I always figured she was referring to Dolby's involvement here, not Klein's. I remember her saying that Dolby was supposed to be a consultant on DED and that she constantly had to fight to keep him from taking it over. She also mentioned something about Geffen giving her a producer for DED (I believe she was referring to Mike Shipley) and saying that she had never had one before (except for David Crosby on STAS) and didn't need one. Did Klein make suggestions? Undoubtedly. But I still think Joni stayed in control of the direction her 80s work took. And Klein was still in the picture with NRH & TI and most of us (not all) agree, I think, that those are great records. It's easy to blame someone other than Joni for records you may not care for. But although I do believe the woman is a genius, she is human and her tastes are not always going to coincide with mine. It doesn't have to because of Klein or anyone else. I just can't believe that she would let anyone influence her to the point of lowering the quality of her music. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:58:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: De-railed? **I always figured she was referring to Dolby's involvement here, not Klein's. ** I think she was referring to them both. But you could be right. ** > Did Klein make suggestions? Undoubtedly. But I still think Joni stayed > in control of the direction her 80s work took.** Well, you can remain in the driver's seat and still listen to a navigator! ;~) > ** It's easy to blame someone other than Joni for records you may not care > for. ** The only one I don't care for is CMIARS...I tried to state that this was not my point, blaming somebody else for Joni's work. My point was that her direction seeme to be more heavily influenced than we tend to think. And we can agree to disagree on that I hope, cuz you know I have a deep respect for your opinion and thoughts on the subject. (At least I HOPE you know that!) ;~) Bob NP: Fred Simon, "Michael From Mountains" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:38:18 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS gee ... i thought it was "w.c. handy, i'm rich and i feng shui" (just feeling silly) heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jim Leonard Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 3:06 PM To: Joni List Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS I'm way behind on my digests. (There are four long ones waiting to be read.) But, in case no one else has mentioned this, I've always heard the line as "W.C. Handy, I'm rich and I'm famed." In the context of the larger lyric, it makes far more sense to me that Joni would write/sing this than write/sing "fey." Published lyrics, whether printed on album covers or in books, are notoriously untrustworthy. I've come to believe the artists don't supply the transcriptions themselves. Best, Boston Jim ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #269 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)