From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #265 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 265 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: September 12 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: September 12 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] joni and bonnie [Angela.Takats@reuters.com] Re: joni and bonnie ["mack watson-bush" ] My 9/11 [culheath ] Remembrance of Sept. 11 ["kakki" ] Re: joni and bonnie [AzeemAK@aol.com] the Bobs are killing me! [ReckersL@ebrd.com] TI: a question ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni covers anyone? ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: My 9/11 ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: joni and bonnie [Jerry Notaro ] Re: joni and bonnie [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni and bonnie ["Lori in MD" ] 9-11-01 and 4-4-68 ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Opening with Chelsea Morning; Chaka Khan ["Timothy Spong" ] Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS ["Lori in MD" ] Re: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine [RoseMJoy@aol.com] joni and bonnie ["Kate Bennett" ] joni on bonnie and linda and bob and bob [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: joni and bonnie and a teen age daugher ["brian symes" Subject: Re: joni and bonnie Oh yea Angela. Love her. Top of my list is Bonnie. I don't know about her relationship with Joni but someone here will, that's probably a given. mack Any Bonnie fans out there? > > Ange, BKK > NPIMH - "Love me like a man", Bonnie Raitt > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Visit our Internet site at http://www.reuters.com > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be > the views of Reuters Ltd. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:10:52 -0700 From: culheath Subject: My 9/11 Hi kids, Played a lot of Joni in my head today and on the keys... mostly trying to use her as an oracle past the emotional intensity of loss remembered. Of course we all went through the throes of having our empathy engines resparked by the media celebration of marking one complete solar orbit away from the incredible losses incured last year. But 9/11 has personal loss ramifications for me as well and today was the fifth anniverary of the same date in 1997. Joni has been an oracle to me so many times. I suppose Elvis performs that function for some people. I know my recent and relatively intense incursions into the art and politics and fan base of Tori Amos has shown that she is an healing icon to many and like Bjork is one of the few female masters of communication worthy up picking up Joni's crown, should Mitchell retire from the public eye. Joni is as much a school of thought and heart as she is a craftsperson and to study her "school" over all these years has changed me for the better in so many ways. We all know she is a genius and we all know she evokes the genius in us required to even hear and experience hers. Sometimes, too, if we pay attention, her lyrics and images can be used like an I Ching. The link I provided is a short description of how a Joni lyric cam true for me in a major way and almostmystical way 5 years ago. I don't want to lose my 9/11 to the larger one. I am tired of loss. Aren't you? Thank you Joni for the rudder and dreams. Thank you ardent admirers of Joni opening your hearts the way you do. cul heath ratboy's anvil for 600x800 screens ............................. for 1024x768 screens+ The Loss | MainSeptember 11, 2002My 9/11 The weather here today is exactly the same as I remember it being five years ago on September 11, 1997; an intense clear blue sky, surprisingly warm, yet with a light breeze carrying a smell more fall than summer. By habit I woke up and made a big pot of strong coffee even though Dan, my partner in work and life, had gone into Vancouver for the weekend to do some work for his father. He had wanted me to go in with him, but I felt I should stay and try to finish up a job I had already started for a friend of ours. I took my breakfast of coffee and cigarettes out on the balcony of our house overlooking the Georgia Straight, I watched the early sun scintillate on the calm water that happens between tides. As I dragged on my smoke and sipped at the coffee I watched a distant and unlikely gang of crows and gulls gyre and dive with much cawing and screeching to harass an eagle, hoping to drive it from what they considered their feeding area. As usual, the eagle ignored them and with motionless wings outstretched rode air currents through the commotion until it suddenly dropped rapidly down to the water surface, snared a fish in its talons, and rose again, quickly outdistancing the other birds with stately sweeps of its powerful wings. With the contract of common defense broken, the gull and crow mob broke into two groups and moved away in opposite directions. Through the course of a few more cigarettes and coffees I sat feeling the planet turn and reflected on the interconnectedness of life. Eventually I shook the reverie and moved back inside to prepare for the days work renovating our friend's basement into a livable suite she could rent to a student or some other recent escapee from the city. On my way up the single winding highway toward the worksite, I pulled the van over for a scruffy and bearded old hitcher holding a sign with the name of the next ferry landing on it. I wasn't going that far, but I would be able to drop him a fair distance up the road at a major intersection where his chances of getting another ride were far better than where he was when I picked him up. He clambered in thanking me profusely as he tossed his back pack onto the tool boxes and lumber in the rear. I told him it was no problem and how far I taking him and that was all we said for several minutes. As we rode along he began humming "Big Yellow Taxi" by Joni Mitchell. I mentioned to him that she was a favorite of mine, but that it drove me crazy that that song was about the only one of hers radio stations ever seemed to play. He stopped humming and nodded without looking at me. After a few seconds he started humming it again. He kept humming the chorus part over and over without bothering with the verse sections. A couple of minutes later we arrived at the turn off and I pulled off the road to let him out. He struggled back over his seat, grabbed his knapsack and opened the door to leave. I figured he was going to say thanks for the ride but instead he looked me straight in the eyes and really loudly sang, "Don't it always seem to go you don't know what you've got til its gone..." Then he winked and quickly jumped out , slammed the door and then smiled at me as he waved a goodbye through the side window. I returned the smile and wave and then pulled away to make my turn. I thought that was weird but let it go as another encounter with a Sunshine Coast "bush-bunny" eccentric, of which there were many. The song stayed in my head though for the rest of the ride to the worksite and annoyingly lingered for at least an hour after I began work. I had to make a conscious effort to implant a different song in my brain. Just before noon the woman friend called down to me and asked if I wanted some soup. I wasn't really hungry but it was nearing time for a break and I agreed. I decided it would be good time to get more finishing nails and went out to the van to get some. As I stood at the back of the van loading up on nails the song the hitcher had hummed came back in my head and I swore under my breath about it. Just then I heard the tires of another vehicle pull into the drive just in front of the van and pulled back to look around the doors to see who it was. As I did this, my watchband got caught on a box and broke causing the watch to fall to the ground. I bent over. picked it up and wiped the bevel clean, noticing that it was 12:03. Meanwhile my friend Brian had gotten out of his car, came up beside me and said he had bad news. I looked up at him and saw a pained look. At 12:03 PM, September 11, 1997 I learned that Dan, my lover of 9 years had been killed in a car accident. Dont it always seem to go... Posted by culheath at September 11, 2002 03:13 PM CommentsPost a comment[FORM NOT SHOWN] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:18:57 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Remembrance of Sept. 11 I cannot believe it has been a year - it seems like yesterday. I wasn't sure how I would spend this day so I went to work and tried to carry on but how can one in anyway put out of their mind the enormity of it? Around noon I suddenly decided to attend the Interfaith Remembrance Service at the new Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels. It was about a five block walk and I saw that there were thousands of people walking that way from all directions. Security was very good and smartly coordinated which put me more at ease. The congregation represented every community and facet of Los Angeles. Several representatives of many religions spoke, sang and prayed in Arabic, Hebrew, Spanish, English, Latin and other languages. Angelica Huston was the most eloquent "host" of the service. She was beautiful and comforting. We sang America the Beautiful and all the other American traditional songs. Everyone seemed to be trying to maintain their composure but tears were flowing everywhere. Mine started as soon as I arrived and read the program and saw that Burt Bacharach would be closing the service, leading us all in the song "What the World Needs Now is Love" (Sweet Love). The tears never stopped when we sang it at the end, all a little choked up and out of tune and sequence. There were many words of wisdom, inspiration and comfort but the words that most stuck with me were from a Rabbi quoting Albert Camus "In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer." We will always remember. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:18:57 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and bonnie In a message dated 12/09/2002 08:13:38 GMT Daylight Time, Angela.Takats@reuters.com writes: << I must say that in my books, Bonnie is up there with Joni when it comes to her old work...even though Bonnie didn't write as much of her own stuff - I just love the way she sings, especially on her self titled album released in the 70s Any Bonnie fans out there? >> Include me in! I was listening to Nick of Time just a few days ago and enjoying it very much. In my memory it wasn't as strong an album as Luck of the Draw, apart from the title song of course - but it held up well, and the sparse production no doubt helped. My personal favourite of hers is Home Plate. The only one I bought and really hated was Nine Lives, which seems to be by common consent her career low point (and I believe that it was at that point that she decided to cut out the booze and get serious). The quality I love more than any in her voice is emotional honesty. She never over-sings or goes for big dramatic or rhetorical flourishes in her singing [almost typed "sinning" there - another story I'm sure]. She exemplifies, in a way, the maxim "show don't tell", if that makes sense. First time I saw her was supporting Little Feat at the Town & Country Club in London, and she was the star of the show. This was post-Lowell, and the Feat sounded like the world's greatest backing band with a fill-in singer (Craig Fuller was OK, but really not up to such a huge task). Then Bonnie joined them for a couple of songs, adding some of her fabulous slide guitar playing. And the crowd went mad. Bonnie is in fact the only artiste for whose show I've bought a ticket from a tout (or scalper, as I believe they're known in some parts of the world). It was at the Hammersmith Odeon about 10-12 years ago, and was a memorable show. Elton John was sitting not far away from me too. Azeem in London NP: Rebecca Campbell - The Sweetest Noise ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:33:09 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: the Bobs are killing me! Being on the digest list, I can usually stop myself from replying to posts because the time delay ensures someone else has normally already covered my own reaction. But Bob Murphy's post below made me laugh out so loud that I got curious looks from colleagues, and I want to let you guys know how much I appreciate you all. This is the most marvellous list and group of people in the world - for so many reasons. Gush gush gush! Lieve. PS Vince, I was fascinated by your tale of the Edmund Fitzgerald. In fact I don't even recall ever hearing that particular Gordon L song, though his other songs are all well known. At the next Jonifest, I'll ask Bob Muller to hum it for me, with a bit of luck he'll have it ringing in his head for the next few days then! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:40:32 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Something about the BF - NJC Muller writes: << I HAVE to offer incentives to try & lure the interests away from the "Joni In Fiction" section. Must be all those pretty pictures...they're lured there like pigs to slop >> HA! Pigs to slop! HA! My super-intelligent Joni in Fiction fans? Au contraire, merde pour la tete! Do you have any idea what we "covers fans" do when you finally go to bed at Jonifests, Muller? We play our beloved "Covers Frisbee" until the sun comes up. Hundreds and hundreds of luminous discs flying through the night and into the sun's first light. You'd think it was the friggin' Northern Lights. But no, it's just all these useless Joni cover discs none of us can bear to play. We must have had at least a thousand going at Jonifest '02! We laugh at you and your Joni baloney covers, Muller! WE LAUGH! Hey, everyone! Who wants the new Chumba Wumba cover of "Dancin' Clown?" I didn't hear anyone, did you, Muller? Sure, every now and then one of us will write for one of your foolish covers CDs . . . but not because we actually want the wretched things -- it's because we feel so sorry for you, Muller, and want to give you one more pathetic reason to live yet another soul-killing day. One more thing, Bob . . . when we kiss you, we wipe our mouths! WE WIPE OUR MOUTHS! I also like to take this opportunity to thank each and every one of the 57,934,915 Joni fans who visited Joni in Fiction today. I promise I'll answer all your e-mails soon! --Bob _____________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. 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Bob Murphy wrote: > > Do you have any idea what we "covers fans" do when you finally go to bed at > Jonifests, Muller? We play our beloved "Covers Frisbee" until the sun comes > up. Hundreds and hundreds of luminous discs flying through the night and into > the sun's first light. You'd think it was the friggin' Northern Lights. But > no, it's just all these useless Joni cover discs none of us can bear to play. > We must have had at least a thousand going at Jonifest '02! > > We laugh at you and your Joni baloney covers, Muller! WE LAUGH! > > Hey, everyone! Who wants the new Chumba Wumba cover of "Dancin' Clown?" > > I didn't hear anyone, did you, Muller? Sure, every now and then one of us > will write for one of your foolish covers CDs . . . but not because we > actually want the wretched things -- it's because we feel so sorry for you, > Muller, and want to give you one more pathetic reason to live yet another > soul-killing day. I never heard Bob Muller's CDs of Joni covers. However I just got Marcel Deste's latest CD on which he covers I Think I Understand and Rainy Night House. I never cared too much for covers but I was I was most impressed with Marcel's because I feel they really ADD something to the original. Joni's early stuff has beautiful melodies but the interpretation is somewhat dated to my ears i.e I don't like the early folk too much, question of taste. This is too bad because I am indeed missing on enjoying those beautiful songs. So Marcel's re-using those songs in a more modern, even psychedelic fashion really made my day. Bob, count me in for a good Joni cover CD. And I'm not asking you to be nice. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:12:39 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: My 9/11 Dear Cul: Thank you so much for sharing your 9-11 experience with the jmdl. I am so sorry you lost your partner. I know how important words can be...I had lost my partner, Sheila, of 17 years to brain cancer. She died December 5, 1998 and I listened to Joni's River so many times. Every time I hear that song now I am transported back to the time of Sheila's death. Your Dan, like the all those who die senseless or even expected deaths are not forgotten. Instead they are remembered in a myriad of different ways, with marker posts along the way. It does not matter whether others come into our lives. I remember my father and my mother and my Sheila. It is good to remember because it reminds me to not delay the joy. In Peace...Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:40:47 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: joni and bonnie Angela.Takats@reuters.com wrote: > Hey Listers... > I am sure this has come up at some stage over the years of this list - but I wanna ask anyway. > Anyone know how Joni feels about Bonnie Raitt or visa versa? I LOVE Bonnie's cover of Midway - it's so beautiful, and it seems they were both popular around the same time Most regard Bonnie's That Song About the Midway as arguably the best Joni cover. > > > I must say that in my books, Bonnie is up there with Joni when it comes to her old work...even though Bonnie didn't write as much of her own stuff - I just love the way she sings, especially on her self titled album released in the 70s Any Bonnie fans out there? Include me in. I just saw her again live and she is performing better than ever. Though she rock and rolls with the best of them (male or female) she is a stunning ballad singer. Jerry np: Jeff Buckley - Je N'en Connais Pas Le Fin (Live at Sine) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:52:01 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and bonnie > Most regard Bonnie's That Song About the Midway as arguably > the best Joni cover. Certainly one of the best! She's also covered Woodstock in concert, as well as publicly praised Joni's work. Seems to be nothing but respectful of Joni's craft. When I saw her live (BIG Bonnie fan too, Ange!), she introduced "Spit of Love" (written by Larry Klein) as "a song from Joni's ex, so go figure...". I haven't heard anything from Joni about Bonnie, but I'm sure she acknowledges her talent. She doesn't lump her in with others that get praised for being compared to Joni. So maybe there is praise in her silence! Bonnie's read on "I Can't Make you Love Me" ALWAYS turns me into a pile of sobbing goo... Bob NP: The Who, "Baby, Don't Do It" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:25:10 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: joni and bonnie Tidbit of trivia here: Joni's birthdate is November 7 (1943). Bonnie's is November 8 (1949). Lori, who heard (and loved) Bonnie's "Midway" cover before Joni's original version ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:18:48 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: 9-11-01 and 4-4-68 One of the readings that I did last night was from Robert Kennedy, spoken on 4 April 1968. I suggested to the audience that they think of the terms 'us" and "them" or "Cjristiansd" and "Moslems:" when they heard the words "black" and "white. These are the words that RFK spoke in gary, Indiana when he had just heard of MLK's assassination. I have bad news for you, for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and killed tonight. Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justic for his fellow human beings, and he died because of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it is perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black -- considering the evidence their evidently is that there were white people who were responsible -- you can be filled with bitterness, with hatred, and a desire for revenge. We can move in that direction as a country, in great polarization -- black people amongst black, white people amongst white, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and to replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand with compassion and love. For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and distrust at the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I can only say that I feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man. But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to go beyond these rathe difficult times. My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He wrote: "In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God." What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black. So I shall ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, that's true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love -- a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke. We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times; we've had difficult times in the past; we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; it is not the end of disorder. But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings who abide in our land. Let us dedicate to ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:29:20 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Opening with Chelsea Morning; Chaka Khan Bob Muller wrote: "Better to open with 'Chelsea Morning" I think ... " Indeed. How better to open an album than with "I woke up ... " ? Earlier on the Digest, someone mentioned Chaka Khan. CK is among those scheduled to perfrom at the Rehoboth Beach (Del.) Jazz Festival in mid-October. While I don't have the schedule at hand now, I think it probably includes 18-20 October (Friday-Sunday). But if you want to come to Delaware to hear music, first come to the Delaware Friends of Folk's Delmarva Folk Festival on 12 October, near Hartly (western Kent County, the central one of Delaware's three counties). Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A> _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Fwd: a collage of thoughts Jonifest 2002 Encouraged to do so, I am posting this to the 'big list' . It took me a long time to figure out how to express the multitude of feelings and experiences surrounding this year's Fest. Here's what happened, I got out of my head and into my heart and just let the images fly. You may notice Ive not mentioned many names directly. If you look closer, you will find yourself there. Count on it. You are in my heart. love, Mags > > > > > stolen moments in the light of the moon > > Sharing our honeymoon with 80 or our closest friends > > Seeing the entourage run to greet us even before we got out of our > car > > > the honeymoon suite > > > > Being close proximity to the hot tamales Lezz Cottage and that Friday > night howling at the moon Fest that surely had the bears dancing in > the > woods. > > Being a part of Sugar Pants, a celebration of friendship, sisterhood > and diversity.. For those of you who dont know, this is a group > of beautiful, amazing women , my behind the scenes life line. To > say > that we are sisters is an understatement. The friendship and > community > we share is our sanctuary The best. We talk, share, cry, bitch, > complain, tell each other things we would never tell our real > sisters, and best of all, we know how to laugh and have fun. All of > which brought us to the place of thinking it might be fun to add a > little Sugar, Honey, Granola, Tequila, Canoli and Candy to the mix on > stage at Fest. Oh, did I mention Feathers?? Hey, just you wait until > next year! > > Connections. > New connections. > Renewed connections. > Dimensions and friends and friendships. > > Breathtaking performances on stage and off. > > Seeing so many new faces. > > Other canadians > > a Canadian shirt. > > a Canadian flag > > The circle dance. > > love > > old love, new love, renewed love . the possibility of love. the > butterflies dancing in your tumm non-stop love. > > Clouds > > Light > > mountains > > > > shadows across Catskill mountains > hawks circlingund and hearing Brian tell me that they must have > followed me from Canada. (he knows I miss my hawks). > > Sunday night endless hugs > > The Sunday night song circle, for all the reasons I gushed about > before. > > hugs without words > > more hugs without words. > > all the precious friendships that mean everything to us > > snowflakes > cards > books > bubbles > photo albums > needlepoint > friendship > wedding songs > more cards > hugs > more hugs > wolf songs > > > > > > > hearing Anne Sandstrom sing, and knowing she really was there with > us. > > Laughing > > underbite > > diamonds > > > > a myriad of images which melt into a place of knowing that we have > found a place of paradise. As a wise man once said (more than > once!)we > have found all the friends weve always wanted our whole life. > > sorrow for the fact that I didnt get a chance to talk to nearly as > many people as I had hoped > > > Chocolate > > Flowers > > Being married to Brian > > > > > > > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:16:38 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: joni and bonnie Angela wrote: > I must say that in my books, Bonnie is up there with Joni when it comes to her old work I agree Angela and might even surpass her in some areas, in my opinion, but then again apples and oranges. Both are superlative, touching, and dear. - - I just love the way she sings, especially on her self titled album released in the 70s I don't know if I have heard that one Angela. Used to have 4 or 5 of her old albums on 8 track tape but they went with it. Thus, much of that was lost to me and haven't been able to find replacements for some of them. Do remember an album that had the song "thank you" on it and remember it as being very good. I first saw her on Soundstage back in the 70's and have been a fan since then. Like Bob wrote "I can't make you love me" is a fine tune. Of the older albums, before she became "popular" to the rest of the world, "give it up" is my favorite and probably my favorite overall. "stayed too long at the fair" is marvelous and "nothing seems to matter" is by far my favorite tune by Bonnie. Great that she finally got some recognition for her work by the masses. Mack np: for the roses ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:12:42 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to direct me to the archives of the "Your notches, liberation doll" discussions. I joined the board RIGHT AFTER this was chewed on over and over and over again(as I was kindly told). I'm dying to see if my thoughts on this lyric match up with any of yours......I love a good lyrical analysis every now and then. Thank ya kindly, Erica NP: Mars Hotel _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:08:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Peace Sharon thanks for posting these powerful words. I pray for this wisdom to prevail. "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil -- hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars -- must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:14:39 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Hi Erica! From this digest: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2001.n043, the post that may have started the "notches" discussion: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:22:13 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: meaning of fay/LJC Hey Joni! You've been lurking long enough, your input is required on this very important question. Which is it?: fay or fey And while we're at it, is it: "Your notches liberation doll" or "You're notches liberation doll" And what's the deal with; "Do your smiles covert complicity Debase as it admires"? Patricia O'Connor - --- Then, from http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2001.n048, this: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:12:25 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Covert Complicity, notches As for "you're notches liberation doll", I really don't have a clue. "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" always seemed more of a stream of consciousness poem, so I just roll with it. But stretch with me, won't you...the image it conjures up for me is one of those inflatable party dolls, the "notches" are belt notches (But who's counting? Rolling Stone?), and the word "liberation" could be construed as sneering derision based on gender (it WAS the '70s). Applying this, I'd guess it isn't a very flattering thing to call someone. No wonder Anima's rising! CC - --- My suggestions: 1) either go to http://www.mail-archive.com/joni%40smoe.org/ and do a search for "notches", or 2) go to http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni, scroll to v2001.n048, date/time 29-Jan-2001 18:33, open it, and search for "notches". Continue with every digest after that until you're happy or tired of it. ; ) (That's what I do when I compile a thread -- wanna volunteer to compile "Notches"?) Have fun! Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:22:38 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS or, i had saved this post.... so you might start closer to here: _______________________________________ Cindy Vickery Daniel Corporation 205-443-4718 direct 205-443-4615 facsimile http://www.danielcorp.com/ "Lori in MD" , joni@smoe.org Sent by: cc: owner-joni@jmdl.co Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) m DITS 09/12/02 01:14 PM Please respond to "Lori in MD" Hi Erica! From this digest: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2001.n043, the post that may have started the "notches" discussion: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:22:13 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: meaning of fay/LJC Hey Joni! You've been lurking long enough, your input is required on this very important question. Which is it?: fay or fey And while we're at it, is it: "Your notches liberation doll" or "You're notches liberation doll" And what's the deal with; "Do your smiles covert complicity Debase as it admires"? Patricia O'Connor - --- Then, from http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2001.n048, this: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:12:25 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Covert Complicity, notches As for "you're notches liberation doll", I really don't have a clue. "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" always seemed more of a stream of consciousness poem, so I just roll with it. But stretch with me, won't you...the image it conjures up for me is one of those inflatable party dolls, the "notches" are belt notches (But who's counting? Rolling Stone?), and the word "liberation" could be construed as sneering derision based on gender (it WAS the '70s). Applying this, I'd guess it isn't a very flattering thing to call someone. No wonder Anima's rising! CC - --- My suggestions: 1) either go to http://www.mail-archive.com/joni%40smoe.org/ and do a search for "notches", or 2) go to http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni, scroll to v2001.n048, date/time 29-Jan-2001 18:33, open it, and search for "notches". Continue with every digest after that until you're happy or tired of it. ; ) (That's what I do when I compile a thread -- wanna volunteer to compile "Notches"?) Have fun! Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:26:12 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS whooooops. lemme try that again! i saved this post, from ckarma@hotmail.com, from 12/17/01, which is on the same topic. you might also look in that neighborhood. <> cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:34:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS click click . . . . . . . B L A M ! ! ! - - o B b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:34:58 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS Lori, Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction!!! and I was ahppy to find many people who had the same idea about the "notches" and "liberation doll" I won't get into it because everything I think is echoed on the link youu sent me :) Now I am fuzzy on the lyric you are refering to: >Which is it?: >fay or fey If you could please write back and remind me that would be great! Thanks again, Erica _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:42:28 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Yep, I'm bringing it up AGAIN :) DITS > Now I am fuzzy on the lyric you are refering to: > > >Which is it?: > >fay or fey > > If you could please write back and remind me that would be great! The only lyric I know of is from "Furry Sings The Blues": "W.C. Handy I'm rich and I'm fay" Anyone else have a suggestion? Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:54:05 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine > Q has a featurette called "Beware of the Dog - Bad albums by > great artists" > > This month the award goes to... Don Juan's Reckless Daughter! Grrr, gnash, snarl. Feckers. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:13:07 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Re: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine A Music critic after hearing Bizet's Carmen reported that the opera had no memorable melodies, this critic in Q must be related. Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: AzeemAK@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:34:15 EDT To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine > Q has a featurette called "Beware of the Dog - Bad albums by great artists" > > This month the award goes to... Don Juan's Reckless Daughter! Quoth Ian > Cranna: > > "After her quantum jump from singer-songwriter to the complex artist of > Hissing... and Hejira, Mitchell's increasing infatuation with jazz textures > and rhythms led to a fusion bridge too far. With bonkers lyrics, shapeless > melodies and Jaco Pastorius on bass, she attempted a kind of Impressionism in > sound, while such songs as did exist were nothing she hadn't already done > better. Her next effort - a widely ignored Charlie Mingus collaboration - > cured her of jazz fever." > > Hmm. Aside from the "IMHO" factor, this does beg a few serious questions, > chiefly: > > 1. Is being a singer-songwriter therefore by definition not a good thing? > 2. Is having Jaco Pastorius on bass intrinsically a bad move? > 3. Had she already written a song just like as The Silky Veils of Ardor, only > better? > 4. Is it fair to describe an album that made the top 20 (possibly top ten, I > can't check right now) in the UK, as many of its not-exactly-going-platinum > predecessors had, as "widely ignored"? > > Answers on a postcard... > > Steady now, I'm only the messenger, put the guns away... > > Azeem in London > - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:23:55 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni In Fiction I've been weeding our Media Center's Juvenile collection all summer. Today I came across the title Come In from the Cold by Marsha Qualey (1994). I opened to the title page to see if it had any Joni connection. It has two quotes to begin the book: We are stardust, we are golden, and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden. - Joni Mitchell, 1969 All we ever wanted was to come in from the cold. - Joni Mitchell, 1991 The story is a about the antiwar movement during the Vietnam War. Cool beans! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:01:33 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine OK, I'll talk to Little Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:51:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni and bonnie i'm a big bonnie fan & have seen her more times than anyone i think of...& all but one or maybe 2 of her shows have been benefits...she does many of them in this area for a variety of causes...usually environmental or political (for environmental politicians) ) & often these are with her good buddy jackson browne... ange askes >Any Bonnie fans out there?< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:08:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni on bonnie and linda and bob and bob "Linda Ronstadt was always kind to me," she says. "She makes friendships with women easily. And Bonnie Raitt is a sweetheart and a good ole girl." Then she lit another cigarette and spat, "That shifty Bob Muller is a smarmy guy, a real turd. Not to be trusted." Her radiant smile instantly returned as she added, "But Bob Murphy is truly terrific. I love that man. I am very impressed and honored by the work he has done for me with Joni in Fiction." Joni then giggled as she said, "I wonder if he's straight . . ." The above Joni quotation, well *most* of it anyway, is from a December, 1985 People Magazine article by Michael Small at: <> I did a search of the JMDL database for articles that mention Bonnie and there are 20. Go here to read them all: <> PS: I love Bonnie too! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:24:52 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Re: joni and bonnie and a teen age daugher Recent posts about the younger generation reminds me of the CD's lost by my High School Daughter Road Teasted BR Greatest Hits Bob Dylan and the Double CD of BD in England (First Tour with Joan Baez). I told her "great taste Isabel but thats one pair of new shoes that will not be in your closet. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:51:42 -0700 To: Subject: joni and bonnie > i'm a big bonnie fan & have seen her more times than anyone i think of...& > all but one or maybe 2 of her shows have been benefits...she does many of > them in this area for a variety of causes...usually environmental or > political (for environmental politicians) ) & often these are with her good > buddy jackson browne... > > ange askes >Any Bonnie fans out there?< > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com > Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs > Over the Moon- > "bringing the melancholy world of twilight > to life almost like magic" All Music Guide > ******************************************** > - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:31:21 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "PazFest", the 2 CD set, JC at least for now "PazFest" was known to many of us as the JoniFest in New Orleans in 2000. The days before and after were kind of a multi-day JMDL event that culminated with New Orleans musicians doing a salute to Joni with many JMDLers thrown in for good measure as a fundraiser for the Ruth Paz Foundation. http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/jfno2000.cfm This thing was a wonderful tribute concert. Stephen in Dallas, you were asking about a tribute disc? Forget Elvis Costello! Check this out! You like chick singers? Check out Susan Cowsill. You want to hear a monster play a Greek hybrid of guitar and mandolin called a bazouki? Check out Beth Patterson. You want a rip-roaring, wildly inventive, fun, and tasty spin on Joni? Check out the headliners, the Bryan Thomas Band. Those of us who were there will never, ever forget it. Those of us who weren't have a chance to catch a whiff of the excitement soon. "PazFest", a 2 CD set on Rykodisc. Catch it while you can. Lama ps, I need a ruling from the njc community. A 2 CD set of Joni Covers is Joni Content or not? ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #265 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)