From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #264 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 264 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: September 11 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] joni's generational appeal [Cactustree78@aol.com] COOL CHAKA JONI STORY [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: joni's generational appeal [Catherine McKay ] Re: Pregnant Joni [Deb Messling ] JMDL and September 11th ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Beatles Songs / Joni on American Masters [Bob Shemkovitz ] Doctors' Gloves ["Laurent Olszer" ] Nash dates ["Barbara L" ] re:SCJoni Bob [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: coming in from the cold video [Pearlz2swine@aol.com] Re: coming in from the cold video [Jerry Notaro ] Underrated and other things! ["Amelio Alamo" ] joni mommy sjc ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni's Birthday! ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Joni's Birthday! ["Lori in MD" ] and when she was naughty... [jan gyn ] Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany [colin ] Time to take out a contract on Q magazine [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine [Catherine McKay ] Peace ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Joni Mention in Parade Mag. [Murphycopy@aol.com] How bout this title? ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #360 - Doctors, Not to Blame, etc. [BRYAN8847@aol.c] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #360 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] [none] ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: TI: a question? ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] RE: Pregnant Joni ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: Peace [Michael Paz ] Joni Sites [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:34:16 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 11 On September 11 the following items were published: 1990: "Diary of a Decade" - Raffaele Malanga and Jamie Zubairi (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/900911dd.cfm 1990: "Mitchell part of Canadian celebration in London" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/900911ssp.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:05:29 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: joni's generational appeal Hi everyone!!! I think the great thing about Joni is that her music trancends generations and can touch everyone...examples... my best friends sister is 22 years old but she has the mentality of a 6 year old and her favorite song of all time is the circle game she knows every word and says she wants to play guitar like joni one day..i got my gramma who is 81 to listen to and love Hejira and then she wanted me to buy her more so i just bought her hissing..we'll see...now as far as my generation (im 24) i think (i hope) alot of us are turning on to music from the past because the music today(top 40) is so damn horrible..so we look to Joni james taylor and csn(y) and anyone else who has anything important to say...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:24:23 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: COOL CHAKA JONI STORY About a year ago(almost to the day) I was working at ABCTV in New York at the Who Wants To Be A Millionaire show..ONe of the theme shows was "Rock Star" and they had Chaka on along with some other cool people but Chaka was it for me...Along with the other Joni freaks i worked with we devised a plan to play Joni during rehearsal and we had this fantasy that we would have asingalong with Miss Chaka well our plan didnt turn out exactly like that but it was pretty cool...we played In France They Kiss On Main Street and there was the fabulous Miss Chaka dancin in her seat singin along we almost died after the show we went up to her and told her that it was us who put the Joni on she said they were really good friends for years and she loved her very much... it was an amazing experience...so thats my story......by the way today is september 11 and being from jersey and sorta from ny i ask you to please do something today anything you want but i suggest playing maybe the city side of song to a seagull or maybe John lennons sometime in new york(my favorite new york album) anything i know we havent forgotten but just to make sure GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS NEW YORK AND THE JMDL PEACE AND LOVE YOUR WAY****KEVIN*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni's generational appeal - --- Cactustree78@aol.com wrote: > i got my gramma who is 81 > to listen to and love Hejira and then she wanted me > to buy her more so i just bought her hissing..we'll > see... This is amazing. My parents,if they were still alive, would be about the same age. My mother couldn't stand Joni. My Dad was a lot more open about music (and a number of other things) and, although he never said anything one way or another, he probably ... didn't mind her. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:03:32 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Pregnant Joni Apparently she had a miscarriage at the age of 47 or so. At 01:26 AM 9/11/02 -0400, you wrote: >In the early 90's, a friend of mine and fellow Joniphile had heard from pals >in LA that Joni was >pregnant.---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:25:19 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: JMDL and September 11th A year ago today I received a phone call from my husband informing me of the attacts. From there I migrated to the computer lab at school (we have no TVs). The JMDL was my source of information as all the news sites were too bogged down with hits to load. Colin and Muller constantly updated me on the news, and reading what they had to say scared me in one sense but calmed me in another. Thank you listers. Thanks Les and Wally. May we all worship in peace. Suze _____________________________________________________________ Play the Elvis. Scratch & Win for your chance to instantly win $10,000 Cash - - a 2003 Harley Davidson. Sportster. - 1 of 25,000 CD's - and more! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail_scratch_tl/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020801/index.asp?tc=7087 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:24:19 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: Beatles Songs / Joni on American Masters Hello, listers, Congratulations to everyone who attended the Jonifest - I'm way behind in reading the digests, but from the looks of things, everybody had a great time - I'm jealous. It's so fulfilling to be able to get together with like minded souls. Hope I can join you & meet you all one of these times. Just had to respond to one question that's been raised: >>> Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a >>> bit...here is a great trivia >>> question that gets people thinking (and humming): >>> Which Beatles song starts >>> out with the chorus? How about Revolution Number 9? best to all, Bob PS - Thanks to those who have posted information about the upcoming album Travelogue. I've come to depend on this list for info about all things Joni, so thank you to all who have been posting. By the way, with regard to the upcoming TV special, PBS has a website for the American Masters series at http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/current_season/index.html No date has been set, but it appears they plan to air the Joni show in December. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:31:51 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni -only + LOVE Hello JMDLers After John's trip to Paris, it dawned on me that he's probably not alone in listening to JONI EXCLUSIVELY. Are there more JMDLers out there who listen to nothing but Joni? Love (NJC): Some of you may recall a review I made of Arthur Lee's concert At My Place in Santa Monica in 11/91. At midnight, when many people had already left thinking he wouldn't show up, he staggered into the club and crawled backstage. He could barely stand up. The concert half an hour later was fine. Anyway, to my great surprise, I found a 2001 official release of this very show in my local store. The reviewer says that this was the greatest show out of all the ones he's seen in the early 90's. It's available at: almafame.co.uk (email: Almafame@aol.com) Enjoy Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:19:27 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Doctors' Gloves > Mack writes: > > << What I don't understand is the part that begins with the drs. and their > gloves >> > > Doctors put on gloves these day when they perform just about any procedure, > whether it's surgery or the examination of bruises on a battered woman. These days I thought it was so they wouldn't leave fingerprints. Same reason they wear masks during surgery. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:38:45 +0000 From: "Barbara L" Subject: Nash dates Listing of the Nash dates at http://www.pevar.com/ under "tours and gigs". HTH, Barbara Little _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:10:41 EDT From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: re:SCJoni Bob But Bob - you ARE spay-shul! Love Jennymac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:13:51 -0400 From: Pearlz2swine@aol.com Subject: Re: coming in from the cold video In a message dated Wed, 11 Sep 2002 2:00:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Someone also reccomended watching the Come In From The COld > video, which i > > have not been able to find anywhere Someone here turnred me on to GETMUSIC.com.....you can download this(CIFC) and many other Joni videos here...My Secret Place has such artistic visual lines..obviously a painter had something to do with it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:20:54 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: coming in from the cold video Pearlz2swine@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated Wed, 11 Sep 2002 2:00:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > > Someone also reccomended watching the Come In From The COld > > video, which i > > > have not been able to find anywhere > > Someone here turnred me on to GETMUSIC.com.....you can download this(CIFC) and many other Joni videos here...My Secret Place has such artistic visual lines..obviously a painter had something to do with it! But what a poor functioning site! Jerry np: Lea Delaria - Life Has Been Good to Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:41:05 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Pregnant Joni I read in one of the articles on the website that Joni had a miscarriage with Larry. Perhaps neither one recovered, and that was what precipitated the divorce. It seems like around that time was when she seriously starting looking for her daughter. It must have been an extremely rough time for Joni, if all that is true. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:52:09 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's generational appeal Hey! My daughter as a little girl did not like Joni. But about the time she discovered boys, she started to "get" Joni. Her favorite song is Cactus Tree, as a matter of fact. She is rather precocious, and already its been years since she went through her dyed black hair, black clothes Marilyn Manson period. She also went through a rap period (gawd!) Now she likes Radiohead, Incubus, Grateful Dead, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, etc., as well as Joni. She told me her art teacher is dressing up as Vincent Van Gogh for Halloween, so today I sent TI with her to lend to him. It will be interesting to see if he is already familiar with it. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:10:46 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Joni, Laura and New York City's Shadows and Light On this day of remembrance, I have been reflecting on NYC as portrayed in STAS and Laura Nyro's New York Tendaberry. Both works reveal the duality of the Big Apple. Joni sings, "Night in the city looks pretty to me", in one of my favorite songs. But she also sings, "You feed it all your woes - the ghostly garden grows" and sees Manhattan as "an island of noise, in a cobblestone sea...[where] the beach are concrete and the stars pay a light bill." Eventually, she votes with her feet and departs NYC for California. Laura Nyro's New York Tendaberry also reveals the grittiness of life in the city. In Gibsom Street, she sings, "Don't go to Gibsom, cross the river. The devil is hungry, the devil is sweet...they hang the alley cats on Gibsom Street." In NY Tendaberry, she sings, "Sweet kids in hunger slums, firecrackers break, and they cross, and they dust, and they skate, and the night comes." Further on she sings, "I ran away in the morning, now i"m back - unpacked. Sidewalk and pigeon - you look like a city, but you feel like religion to me." For Laura, New York is home, with all its shadows, and its light. If you have both albums, listen to them back to back today, and let me know your impressions. To me, they are both masterpieces. Ruth Richmond (but born in NYC) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:07:43 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! >"Can't Buy Me Love," "Help," a few others, too, I think. *Help* are you sure? Sort of a classification all its own. >-Fred > >P.S. Bree ... I owe you CDs, I know ... please stand by, we're experiencing >technical difficulties That is okay...I'm a patient person. I'm listening to quite a bit of new stuff right now...maybe your stuff will come when I have nothing new to explore. Take care.. Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:30:59 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Salute to Joni Mitchell Got this from a friend - no clue as to its origin, no time to check it out right now. "Salute to Joni Mitchell Taking Place At: Di Piazza's Featuring: Bobby Frisco [music, Alternative] With Chase Frank, phil jordan Other Participating Artists: Reny Collette & the Road Less Traveled Date: Mon 9/16/02 Time: 9:00P - 12:01P I am sure it is in Long Beach." - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:20:03 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Underrated and other things! Bryan wrote:- >Joni is not underrated; she is widely considered by at least two >generations of critics as one of the most important, influential, talented >and strikingly original musicians of her time. But she is vastly >underappreciated by the public and by the powers that be in the radio >business (and that's a different thing than underrated). Yes, I agree with you 100%, but I was making more of a point that Joni is underated by younger people of the public. I could mention loads of 'artists' who are more well known from her generation who don't have half the talent she does. I'm not going to though 'cos I don't want to start another debate about someone else! Also I beleive the critics were not too nice about 'THOSL' at the time. Thinking of New York by listening to Laura and Suzanne's music + Joni's 'STAS'. Don't have 'New York Tandenberry', but you know I'm going to get it! So many great messages lately, just trying to keep up. Peace be with you all. STEVE T. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:35:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni mommy sjc ange, i'm lol yet amazed...but agree with catherine that it is great material, ala my big fat greek wedding...glad you got them to go & they enjoyed you singing after all! >>>My folks just came to Bangkok for the weekend...hadn't seen them in a year...and the first thing my dad says: "We don't want to see you sing tonight, it stresses me to hear you sing in public" WHO HAS PARENTS LIKE THIS?! Their daughter has moved overseas and set up a life for herself, got a great gig singing at one of the top live music venues in Bangkok and they don't wanna see me sing?....goodness me.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:48:15 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Joni's Birthday! So am I right in thinking Joni will be 60 years of age this November? I guess this new album of re-recordings seems quite appropriate. STEVE T. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:09:21 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday! > So am I right in thinking Joni will be 60 years > of age this November? 59. She was born November 7, 1943. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:01:47 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: and when she was naughty... In the current SF Bay Guardian JM is referred to as 'haughty by nature'. - -jan :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:14:39 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany Great post, Mr. S...since I'm name-checked all over the place here, I probably should respond...actually I'm DYING to respond, just haven't had time. > OK. But you'll still have to deal with Bob S (for Senseofhumour). I like > Shiny Toys a lot. And I like Dancin Clown. Here I am bucking the two macho > icons of the JMDL (Paz and Bob Muller over). I like Joni's playful side (I > like the side on the inside of the FTR album jacket, too ;-)). > Just remember...Michael is the official "Lord of Masculinity" (after all, have you seen the calves on that guy?) *I* am merely an apprentice! ;~) > The 80's Albums > > I am on record as reversing Bob Muller's ratings on the 80's albums (I > prefer CMIAR, then DED, the WTRF). You are welcome to like them as you will...this does not affect their quality. :~) Maybe I don't like when Joni's having fun > with some other guy. And how can love be really solid in a year or two ? What are you saying here? That a "solid love" cannot last even a year? It surely shifts around and re-manifests itself in different ways, but I'll be there are lots of folks who would argue that their "solid love" is going strong. > I think Lucky Girl (more individually personal) would have made a better > closing cut to WTRF, and Love (more universal - the antidote to society's > darker side ?) a better closing cut to DED. (I realize that chronology > probably dictated against that). Still - what do you all think ? While Lucky Girl fits the 'theme' of WTRF, I've always thought of "Love" as the perfect closer. Through all the troubles of Flat Tires, Man to Man, etc...love remains the goal, and how better to express such a classic thought than to adapt text that has been around for centuries! > Tin Angel - too much like I Had a King (which was a fine "here I am" for > album 1), and not inviting enough. Still, with 5 "relationship" songs, how > does one space them out ? Tin Angel, Chelsea Morning, I Don't Know Where I > Stand, Midway, The Gallery. Is this 5 different guys - on one album ? Maybe > she should have opened with a cover of I Get Around ....;-) I agree that "Tin Angel" is a weak opener, and indeed may be what turns so many off to this record. Better to open with "Chelsea Morning" I think... > > Banquet - Feels wrong as an opener to me. Not me. I think her sequencing on FTR is perfect...even lyrically, Joni is ringing the "dinner gong" and calling us to what is a very tasty meal indeed. And of course "Judgement" is one of the better closers on ANY album. > Twisted - needs a killer before it (I think Down to You). Trouble Child ain't enough of a killer? Again, C&S is another record where the sequencing is flawless...Twisted & TC are bookends anyway; they belong together - 2 takes on the same subject, one comical and one serious. > > A Bird That Whistles - really needs a big song in front of it. > No...needs about 9! ;~) > TTT - I have a feeling I would have opened differently - perhaps with the > title song - but I find this album so homogeneous that it hardly matters. > I must be in the minority...HiH is SO strong, it really gets TTT off on the right track. Plus, again lyrically Joni is motioning us in (like on Banquet) so that part works too. Fascinating stuff as always, Mr. Sartorius! Thanks for the post - I didn't do justice to it in my reply but it was killing me there to have it hanging and waiting for me to say SOMETHING! :~) Bob NP: Tony Joe White, "Willie & Laura Mae Jones" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:42:00 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni In a message dated 9/10/2002 3:42:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, suze_1@lycos.com writes: > My almost 18 year old foster daugther will never have any taste as she goes > with what the crowd thinks is cool and not what she really likes. I feel > bad for her needing this approval of her music. That was one thing that I > never did as a youngster, but then I, like you, was raised in a magical > time for music, the 60's. > > Thanks for sharing your story, > that is sad isn't it?I love my 13 years old cousin dearly,but it makes me sad how influenced she is by peer pressure and the teenage pop culture-which is such garbage.I've tried to get her to like good stuff,but I have had no luck.For example she refuses to watch any movie that is "old" ie.made before 1998... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:36:58 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany > Maybe I don't like when Joni's having fun > > with some other guy. And how can love be really solid in a year or two ? i took this mean how can love be solid in only a year or two. it can be solid much much sooner-like straight away! It least it was for us from the moement we met over 21 years ago now. lived together form that very first evening. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:34:15 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine Q has a featurette called "Beware of the Dog - Bad albums by great artists" This month the award goes to... Don Juan's Reckless Daughter! Quoth Ian Cranna: "After her quantum jump from singer-songwriter to the complex artist of Hissing... and Hejira, Mitchell's increasing infatuation with jazz textures and rhythms led to a fusion bridge too far. With bonkers lyrics, shapeless melodies and Jaco Pastorius on bass, she attempted a kind of Impressionism in sound, while such songs as did exist were nothing she hadn't already done better. Her next effort - a widely ignored Charlie Mingus collaboration - cured her of jazz fever." Hmm. Aside from the "IMHO" factor, this does beg a few serious questions, chiefly: 1. Is being a singer-songwriter therefore by definition not a good thing? 2. Is having Jaco Pastorius on bass intrinsically a bad move? 3. Had she already written a song just like as The Silky Veils of Ardor, only better? 4. Is it fair to describe an album that made the top 20 (possibly top ten, I can't check right now) in the UK, as many of its not-exactly-going-platinum predecessors had, as "widely ignored"? Answers on a postcard... Steady now, I'm only the messenger, put the guns away... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:21:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Time to take out a contract on Q magazine - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > Q has a featurette called "Beware of the Dog - Bad > albums by great artists" > > This month the award goes to... Don Juan's Reckless > Daughter! Quoth Ian > Cranna: > >.... > Answers on a postcard... > > Steady now, I'm only the messenger, put the guns > away... Question 5 - what friggin' planet is this guy from??? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:13:44 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni Mention in Parade Mag. Okay, okay, I admit to being buried by clutter ... but I had torn out a page from a now not-so-recent Parade magazine (the one that comes with the Sunday paper). Unfortunately, I tore off the date at the bottom, but it was July. It was an article by Patti Davis, daugter of former president Reagan, writing about losing her father to Alzheimer's. In the second paragraph, she says: "We can't return, we can only look behind from where we came, and go round and round and round in the circle game," Joni Mitchell sang years ago. The older I get the more I see that life is a series of circles..." Now I'm throwing out the piece of paper and that will be one less piece in the house... Bob Murphy, take it away! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:30:04 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Peace Dear Friends and Family: Today I am reminded once again of how precious life is. I am thinking of words spoken long ago by one of my hero's. "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil -- hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars -- must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968) Love and Peace....Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:21:12 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mention in Parade Mag. Lindsay writes: << Now I'm throwing out the piece of paper and that will be one less piece in the house... Bob Murphy, take it away! >> No, no, no, Lindsay! I only do references to Joni in Fiction! I think you should save that piece of paper and add it to the Joni-References-By-Or-To-Presidential-Daughters file. All we've got there right now is Chelsea Clinton, and I bet the Bush daughters and Amy Carter would do anything to get in! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:29:00 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: How bout this title? After we enjoy and digest "A Travelogue", I would like to see Joni come out with a collection of new songs, written on piano called, "Phoenix Writing". :) =========== Since Joni was mentioned in USA Today recently, I'll bet there are some new people on the list. If so, I'd like to welcome each of you to post. Why is Joni important to you? To the world? To see all of her lyrics, collected in one place, go to www.jmdl.com/lyrics You may be surprised to find that she's released 21 audio titles in the USA and Canada. If not, you might find a video that you don't yet have at www.jonimitchell.com/jonidiscography.html If not, you should be writing more posts! It's my belief that, like Bob Dylan, Joni's stuff is literature. I think it's completely ripe for scholarly analysis. Here's what lies in the near future: November 2002: "A Travelogue", 2-CD set in stores. Joni took Herbie Hancock, Billy Preston, Larry Klein to London with fresh, symphonic arrangements by Vince Mendoza to revisit some of her most adventurous work. The room, George Martin's Air Lyndhurst Studio, is an audiophile's dream come true. Did I mention that Wayne Shorter came out of semi-retirement for this? January 2003: Alison Ander's film documentary about the making of "A Travelogue", is tentatively scheduled to be released. (A theatrical release? A video for rental? A video for purchase? No one knows yet.) March 2003: In the USA a film about Joni, made by the Public Broadcasting System's (PBS) for their American Masters Series, is due to be aired. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:22:03 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #360 - Doctors, Not to Blame, etc. In a message dated 9/11/02 6:02:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > When I think of doctors putting on rubber gloves and poking around, it > would be the gynecologist's office. > > Joni talked about this line in some radio interview. She read an article > > in a news magazine about doctors being trained to recognize spouse > abuse. Something about the article annoyed her. I don't recall exactly. > > At 09:37 PM 9/10/02 -0500, you wrote: > > What I don't > >understand is the part that begins with the drs. and their gloves. Does > that > >have to do with the same subject or is she talking about something else > here? > I think Joni was taking a swipe at the sometimes callous medical profession, especially the male doctors! Where she got 600,000 I don't know; perhaps there are 600,000 doctors (imagine!) in the US??? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:28:17 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #360 Her next effort - a widely ignored Charlie Mingus collaboration - cured her of jazz fever." If Mingus was widely ignored, then why are critics like whats-his-name still writing about it? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:46:46 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: [none] That was a mistake folks and not meant for this list and not on this subject, but a political discussion with someone else. too many emails and too much going on the computer. sorry vince. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:54:00 -0500 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: TI: a question? Catherine quoted, in response to Mack: "600,000 doctors [that's a lot of docs!)] are putting on rubber gloves and they're poking at the miseries made of love. They say they're learning how to spot the battered wives, among all the women bleeding through their lives." Me now: to me, this has always meant that doctors and other health care providers, like nurse practitioners and physician assistants, have finally become aware enough of the reality of domestic violence that they are taking special care not to ignore tell-tale signs, and even to ask questions, where it seems appropriate, in the course of routine physical examinations. And, as someone else pointed out, they would almost certainly be wearing gloves when conducting such exams. My two cents! Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:13:28 -0500 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: Pregnant Joni Deb Messling wrote, in response to somebody (Ken?): "Apparently she had a miscarriage at the age of 47 or so. Well, it's possible. It may not be very likely, statistically speaking, but it's possible. In my own family, one relative was 44 when she gave birth to her last child, and another was in her late forties or even early 50s when she had *her* last. And that was long before the days of IVF and other techniques of assisted reproduction. I'm not comfortable speculating much more about such intimate details of Joni's life. However, I will say, as someone else already has, that if this rumor is true, I can only imagine how difficult and painful that loss must have been for her. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:33:53 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Peace Thanks so much for this reminder BEEEEEE girl. Love Paz on 9/11/02 6:30 PM, Sharon L. Buffington at sharonbuffington@attbi.com wrote: > Dear Friends and Family: > > Today I am reminded once again of how precious life is. I am thinking > of words spoken long ago by one of my hero's. > > "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot > drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence > multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending > spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil -- hate begetting > hate, wars producing more wars -- must be broken, or we shall be plunged > into the dark abyss of annihilation." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. > (1929-1968) > > Love and Peace....Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:40:13 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Sites Check out the new info on the Joni sites. Including info on the Joni's new CD's on jonimitchell.com as well as the cover foto and CD info on PazFest A New Orleans Tribute To Joni Mitchell. AND info on the fabulous Big Yellow Taxi release both on Les' site at jmdl.com. Peace Paz That's redundant! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #264 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)