From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #263 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, September 11 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 263 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: September 10 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today in History: September 10 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] joni under-rated ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: About Joni being underrated! [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: About Joni being underrated! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] My Intro To Joni [Harry83house@aol.com] Re: My Intro To Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: Mulholland Drive now Naomi Watts ["Garret" ] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Garret" ] Starbucks ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Starbucks [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: My Intro To Joni ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: Starbucks ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: My Intro To Joni ["Amelio Alamo" ] Joni Mitchell thesis*** ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Underrated? And Asheville, NC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] RE: Starbucks sjc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni ["Suze Cameron" ] Fwd: Joni [RoseMJoy@aol.com] TTT sequencing, was Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: About Joni being underrated! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] joni mommy sjc [Angela.Takats@reuters.com] Re: Joni with Nash? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: ti a question? [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: ti a question? ["Heather" ] a lot of talk going on the the JMDL chat room [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: About Joni being underrated! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni ["Amelio Alamo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:07:31 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: September 10 On September 10 the following items were published: 1979: "Music extraordinaire" - Santa Barbara News Press (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790910sbnp.cfm 1979: "Rare talent, Joni sparkles in jazz" - San Mateo Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790910smt.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:07:31 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: September 10 1990: Starting on this day, Joni's paintings form a major part of "Canada In The City", an exhibition of Canadian art, music and culture at the Broadgate Centre in London. This exhibit runs through the 21st of the month. - ---- For the most complete reference to Joni's appearances, consult the Joni Mitchell Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:31:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni under-rated ange..lol but its true! ange wrote >>I find myself quoting joni songs when my friends are having a hard time - her lyrics are the bible - I mean, there seems no experience that a person can go thru that joni hasn't been thru and written a super song about. And that means nasty ex-boyfriends who cheated on you with your best friend - can NEVER escape the memory of you - cos there's always some sad joni song playing on some radio station someday that is gonna remind him of you....<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:22:39 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! "Bree Mcdonough" asks: >Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a bit...here is a great trivia >question that gets people thinking (and humming): Which Beatles song starts >out with the chorus? "Can't Buy Me Love," "Help," a few others, too, I think. - -Fred P.S. Bree ... I owe you CDs, I know ... please stand by, we're experiencing technical difficulties ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:49:15 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** Hi Immy, I don't know if anyone has mentioned to you off-line Bob Sarlin's book about singer-songwriters called, I think "Turn it up, I can't hear the music/words" or something like that. It is about 8 different singer-songwriters, few of whom I remember now but Laura Nyro was one of the others. It's an old book but it may have something for you. I have a copy in Wales if you really need it badly, although other listas will probably tell you if it's useful or not. I really can't remember much about it now, except it was about Joni's 'Blue' period. All the best, mike in barcelona - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:51:55 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Garret wrote >>When i first joined this list i made a point of saying that JM is the musical equivalent of GM Hopkins. << Would that be General Motors Hopkins or Genetically Modified Hopkins? mike in barcelona - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:54:11 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany Bob S wrote >>Hey, speaking of senses of humor, I just saw "There's Something About Mary" for the second time. I was in tears-runnin-down-my-face stitches again over the slapstick scenes with the dog. And please don't mail me any animal rights/ politically correct cough medicine. << I'm not bothered here about the animal rights or political correctness. I film, IMHO was just not funny. In fact, it was very UNFUNNY. That it was (is?) the biggest box-office comedy in Spain is amazing to me and another sign that dumbing down is the predominant trend in modern cinema. Now, what David Lynch could have done with that scriptmike in bcn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:32:23 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany Yes Bob very interesting. I agree with most of Joni's choices too but what I will say is that;- TI should have not oppened with 'Sunny Sunday' and FTR needs it's track order re-aranged completely I think. I don't play it that much even though I like all of the songs on there! The best openers ever though are 'Overture' on DJRD, 'Harlam In Havanah' on TTT, 'Chinese Cafe..' on WTRF and 'In France They...' on THOSL. Best closers; 'Cactus Tree' on STAS, 'Both Sides Now' on Clouds, 'The Last Time I Saw Richard' on Blue and 'The Silky Veils Of Ardor on DJRD. This is just how I see it anyway. STEVE N.P: 'Brighter' Gemma Hayes >From: Bobsart48@aol.com >Reply-To: Bobsart48@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:42:16 EDT > >I'm about a week late posting this, but what the heck. > >Shiny Toys and Dancin Clowns > >"Jenny >I am STILL trying to figure out what to do with my life when I grow up, but >then I digress. LOL! Flat Tires is a great tune. I love that album. It's a >falling in love album (which is a good thing). How about Shiny Toys as a >least fave? Don't worry Don Rowe is gone and won't have a shit hemmorage >over that one.. HEH hee." > >OK. But you'll still have to deal with Bob S (for Senseofhumour). I like >Shiny Toys a lot. And I like Dancin Clown. Here I am bucking the two macho >icons of the JMDL (Paz and Bob Muller over). I like Joni's playful side (I >like the side on the inside of the FTR album jacket, too ;-)). > >There's Something About Joni > >Hey, speaking of senses of humor, I just saw "There's Something About Mary" >for the second time. I was in tears-runnin-down-my-face stitches again over >the slapstick scenes with the dog. And please don't mail me any animal >rights/ politically correct cough medicine. I've got two cats in the yard >(the two luckiest pets in the world - both adopted strays - following in >the pawsteps of our late poodle and other cat, who lived to age 15 or so). > >Also, does anyone else see a resemblance between the male characters in >TSAM >and us male characters in the JMDL. There's something about >Joni..............:-) > >The 80's Albums > >I am on record as reversing Bob Muller's ratings on the 80's albums (I >prefer CMIAR, then DED, the WTRF). Maybe I don't like when Joni's having >fun >with some other guy. And how can love be really solid in a year or two ? >Anyway, in order to show humility and do penance, I have been listening to >WTRF twice a week for the last month. I have a feeling I may change my >ratings before I am done....... again - as Joni sings in later version of >BYT ;-) > >I think Lucky Girl (more individually personal) would have made a better >closing cut to WTRF, and Love (more universal - the antidote to society's >darker side ?) a better closing cut to DED. (I realize that chronology >probably dictated against that). Still - what do you all think ? > >Opening and Closing Cuts > >I have found that, in designing a pleasurable album/CD, the musical artist >(like the golf course architect) needs to pay special attention to the >opening and closing cuts (holes). The opening should be substantial, but >inviting, to seduce and capture. The closing should be a dramatic, >memorable >statement, one of the best if not the best work of the creation. So it is >with my town's golf course (I'm a Lucky Guy). And so it is (I would say) >for >the most part with Joni's records. However, on some occasions, her close is >a simple or lighthearted goodbye (nothing so banal as "Her Majesty", but in >that vein). When that anitclimactic approach is taken, the penultimate cut >should be powerful. To refresh our memories: > >Album Opener Closer > >JM - STAS I Had a King Cactus Tree >Clouds Tin Angel Both Sides Now >LOTC Morning Morgantown Circle Game >Blue All I Want The Last Time I Saw >Richard >FTR Banquet Judgment of the Moon & Stars >C&S C&S Twisted >HOSL In France They Kiss.. Shadoiws & Light >Hejira Coyote Refuge of the Roads >DJRD Cotton Avenue Silky Veils of Ardor >Mingus God Must Be a Boogie Man Goodbye Pork Pie Hat >WTRF Chinese Cafi/ UM Love >DED Good Friends Lucky Girl >CMIAR My Secret Place A Bird That Whistles >Night Ride Home NRH Two Grey Rooms >Turblent Indigo Sunny Sunday Sire of Sorrow >TTT Harlem in Havana My Best to You >BSN You're My Thrill BSN > >I love Joni's choices, except as follows: > >Tin Angel - too much like I Had a King (which was a fine "here I am" for >album 1), and not inviting enough. Still, with 5 "relationship" songs, how >does one space them out ? Tin Angel, Chelsea Morning, I Don't Know Where I >Stand, Midway, The Gallery. Is this 5 different guys - on one album ? Maybe >she should have opened with a cover of I Get Around ....;-) > >Banquet - Feels wrong as an opener to me. I think I would have moved the >title song in first. (That produces some re-ordering issues; I would then >go >with Banquet, Barangrill, WOH&M, LIS, LTWCM, YTMOIAR, CBS&SF, BITB, >Electricity, SYS and JOTM&S). That would have retained a sequences that I >like - Lesson in Survival/ Let the Wind Carry Me and produced something of >a >5-song romance (JT ?) sequence right before the end. I know - I am not >worthy to comment on this. Still, ... > >Twisted - needs a killer before it (I think Down to You). > >A Bird That Whistles - really needs a big song in front of it. Joni was >apparently partial to Reoccurring Dream - I am not. Unfortunately, there is >no big song on the album. In fact, I think the album has a strong opening >but then sort of peters out. Hmmm. I still like it. Has she ever made an >album that was not at least very good ? (Mingus is my next project after >WTRF, though I like Goodbye PPH and Dry Cleaner a lot). > >TI - I would have opened with Sex Kills. > >TTT - I have a feeling I would have opened differently - perhaps with the >title song - but I find this album so homogeneous that it hardly matters. > >That's only 4 complaints, out of 34 total opening/closing choices (plus >wishing >for two improved penultimate cuts). I must have good taste, too. :-) > >Bob S _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Great lesson, Anne!! I know nothing about song > structure except...I know a > good song when I hear one. > > Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a > bit...here is a great trivia > question that gets people thinking (and humming): > Which Beatles song starts > out with the chorus? > Hey! Bungalow Bill! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:39:51 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** > Someone also reccomended watching the Come In From The COld video, which i > have not been able to find anywhere!! Can anybody help me??? I did a search > on the internet and as far as i can see, it doesn't seem to > exist! It's currently out of print, Immy. You can find it on E-bay, there's 1 or 2 out there right now (they are dubs though and not originals). I've got a copy, and would be happy to loan it to you or have a copy made if you like. Lemme know if I can help. Bob NP: Paul Weller, "Stanley Road" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:22:45 EDT From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: My Intro To Joni Well, I figured I'd come out of "lurkdom" and share the story of my introduction to Joni Mitchell. Like most people, I suppose, I knew her only from "Help Me" on the radio. (I actually thought she also sang "Midnight At the Oasis"...sorry, Maria Muldaur.) I also thought Joni and Judy Collins were the same person because of their enormous blue eyes on the covers of their "CLOUDS" and "JUDITH" albums, respectively. Anyway, obviously, I wasn't paying much attention. Then in the mid-80's, I left my family home in Georgia and moved to the metro NYC area where I got my dream job of working in a record store. When I started, vinyl LP's were still the dominant form of listening to music...we had only one small rack of CD's. By the end of the year, the industry had flip-flopped and EVERYTHING was CD's and we had only one small rack of vinyl...amazing. Two of my fellow employees were REALLY major Joni fans, a Joan Jett type married lady, named Mary, who always wore black, and a James Taylor type guy, Doug. I really liked Rickie Lee Jones...still do. Well, Mary and Doug, were determined to turn me on to Joni Mitchell. Mary would often give me a ride home after work and we'd sit in my room and listen to records she would bring from her home. One day, she brought a stack of Joni's records and said, "HERE! I'm leaving these and you just listen to 'em at your leisure...I KNOW you're gonna find SOMETHING you love!" Well, I ignored those records for a while and then one night, at Doug's house, he put on BLUE, and , I would be lying if I said I suddenly GOT it...but something intrigued me enough to go home and start listening to those Joni LP's Mary had left behind. MILES OF AISLES did it. Joni's high HIGH duet at the end of YOU TURN ME ON..., the CIRCLE GAME sing-along, the acoustic section with just Joni and guitar. Even the audience banter was mesmerizing. Well ,Mary had left all of Joni's albums from STAS through MOA and I memorized 'em all. BLUE ...a masterpiece. For a while, all my friends got copies of BLUE as a gift. Later, I purchased HEJIRA and my mind just exploded. Joni has been a part of my life ever since. I'll go down any road she leads. Joni fans, as my friend Jim likes to say, are "just so fanatical and militant!" ... I wouldn't go that far, but once you GET her (IF you get her) its like finding a new, AMAZING drug and you just want to shout out to the world, "YOU GOTTA TRY THIS! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT! NO HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS!" To me, Joni's closest musical compatriot is Stephen Sondheim...both are lyrically incredible and melodically non-traditional. Their songs often don't grab you immediately, but after several listenings, they have the ability to get under you skin and stay forever, uncovering new treasures about themselves from time to time. Well, this may be the longest e-mail I've ever written, but I just wanted to share my Joni story and to say a belated "Thanks" to Mary and Doug...wherever you are! Bye! Harry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:53:18 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni > once you GET her (IF you get her) its like finding > a new, AMAZING drug and you just want to shout out to the world, "YOU GOTTA > TRY THIS! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT! NO HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS!" > LOL! Great post Harry - thanks for the delurk, now that you're out, stay & play! "No harmful side effects" you say...sounds like you haven't been to a fest yet! :~) For me, I wasn't shouting out as much as just revelling in the fact that I 'got it' and was aware of something that most people didn't seem to. Made me feel special, or as they say down here, "spay-shul"... Bob NP: Ani, "Letter To A John" (live from her new one just out today...yes Alison I snuck out of work to get new Ani AGAIN!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:23:01 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: re: Mulholland Drive now Naomi Watts Oh my gosh, i saw the ring and the ring2 in the cinema!!! They creeped me out! I thought some of the appeal was the foreighn language!! Can't wait to see the English language version!! I had heard nothing about this, thanks Joseph. GARRET NP- Michael Stipe with Rain Phoenix, Happiness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:43:51 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Susan Guzzi wrote: >Starbucks plays Joni pretty regularly (ask my sister) This is true. I worked in Starbucks in London for two months last year and Carey, Blonde in the Bleachers, Coyote, Hejira, Come in from the Cold and Night Ride Home were played regularly! They also had Richard Thomson, Rufus Wainwright, Marianne Faithfull, Kate Bush and Leonard Cohen on the system regularly, and many many others! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:07:38 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Starbucks Yeah, Starbucks have good taste. Never heard Joni played there but I did hear Melissa Etheridge's version of 'Black Crow' played in Brighton which was cool. STEVE >From: "Garret" >Reply-To: "Garret" >To: >CC: >Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:43:51 +0100 > >Susan Guzzi wrote: > >Starbucks plays Joni pretty regularly >(ask my sister) > >This is true. I worked in Starbucks in London for two months last year >and >Carey, Blonde in the Bleachers, Coyote, Hejira, Come in from the Cold and >Night Ride Home were played regularly! They also had Richard Thomson, >Rufus >Wainwright, Marianne Faithfull, Kate Bush and Leonard Cohen on the system >regularly, and many many others! >GARRET _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:17:56 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbucks > Never heard Joni played there but I did hear Melissa > Etheridge's version of > 'Black Crow' played in Brighton which was cool. You're not talking about the Joni song are you? If so, do tell! :~) VP of Covers NP: Ani, "Cradle & All" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:18:56 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni I'm really enjoying the various intro to Joni stories. I wish I had some wonderful story, but it just seems like I always knew about her and liked the music. Blue came out the year I graduated high school, and I must have gotten it sometime shortly thereafter. I don't remember any apochryphal moment when I "got" it, I just always did I guess. Strange, maybe I sacrificed too many brain cells in the 70s. I'm also loving the young folks posting here. Reminds me of my 18 year old son. Lately, I've been relegated to listening to my vinyl Joni records because the CDs keep disappearing into his CD wallet! I know that he is forcing it on his friends as well. Just a couple days ago, one of his buddies, who frequently wears a Slipknot concert T-shirt, confided to me that he really liked that Joni Mitchell music that my son plays. Well, hallelujah, maybe there's hope for the younger generation after all. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:40:49 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Starbucks I sure am taking about the Joni song. Yes it was a cover. I heard that she covered it and what do you know I was in Starbucks and they played it. It was a bit different than Joni does it. It was a while ago and I only heard it once so I can't remember all that much. Sounded okay though. STEVE >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: amelio747@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Starbucks >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:17:56 -0400 > > > Never heard Joni played there but I did hear Melissa > > Etheridge's version of > > 'Black Crow' played in Brighton which was cool. > >You're not talking about the Joni song are you? If so, do tell! :~) > >VP of Covers > >NP: Ani, "Cradle & All" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:48:33 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni Sybil, that's so funny LOL. What's the deal with people peeing over each other on stage anyway? Has that really got anything to do with music I ask. Peace. STEVE >From: "Sybil Skelton" >Reply-To: "Sybil Skelton" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:18:56 -0500 > >I'm really enjoying the various intro to Joni stories. I wish I had some >wonderful story, but it just seems like I always knew about her and liked >the music. Blue came out the year I graduated high school, and I must have >gotten it sometime shortly thereafter. I don't remember any apochryphal >moment when I "got" it, I just always did I guess. Strange, maybe I >sacrificed too many brain cells in the 70s. > >I'm also loving the young folks posting here. Reminds me of my 18 year old >son. Lately, I've been relegated to listening to my vinyl Joni records >because the CDs keep disappearing into his CD wallet! I know that he is >forcing it on his friends as well. Just a couple days ago, one of his >buddies, who frequently wears a Slipknot concert T-shirt, confided to me >that he really liked that Joni Mitchell music that my son plays. Well, >hallelujah, maybe there's hope for the younger generation after all. > >Sybil > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:47:13 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Joni Mitchell thesis*** i think Turbulent Indigo(94) is joni's most "feminist" release - Magdalene Laundries and Not to Blame in particular. she has quoted shakespeare in interviews saying "the play can catch the conscious of the king", i think these songs are a good example of that. on morning becomes eclectic "94 (available in cd from bob muller) she discusses this theory in length when asked about sinead's ripping the pope's picture - she considered that act too divisive. i think that interview would be very helpful. Count me in on those who would like to read this when its done good luck. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:42:57 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Underrated? And Asheville, NC > about Joni being underrated Joni is not underrated; she is widely considered by at least two generations of critics as one of the most important, influential, talented and strikingly original musicians of her time. But she is vastly underappreciated by the public and by the powers that be in the radio business (and that's a different thing than underrated). Now for some NJC - Recently I visited Asheville, North Carolina. If you've not been there, and you can go, by all means do. What a cool place, with a totally charming downtown with lots of great old buildings, cool shops, etc. Very funky. There was some kind of hippy/artsy festival in town when I was there, and there was a somewhat spontaneous percussion ensemble performance on the town square, with about 15 percussionists. Joni would have loved it. I wore my Turbulent Indigo t-shirt that night and a few people nodded or grinned as a result. In fact, I did a whirlwind tour of North Carolina and loved the whole place, from Cape Fear to the Smoky Mountains. Bryan Seattle Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:13:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Starbucks sjc i once heard joni's dry cleaner from des moines at the one on broadway and (maybe) 101st. i was standing in line, rehearsing some typically complex starbucks order. (how very trying!). suddenly, joni! i started to sing along, and the very handsome stranger behind me asked me if that was ... joni mitchell!!!!! i was immediately won and we became lovers that very afternoon. eventually i found out that he was an aging actor from new jersey who had missed an audition in manhattan on my account. oh but i was young and dashing in those days. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:35:33 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** > Count me in on those who would like to read this when its > done Me too, Immy...maybe you can just set up a link from the JMDL when it's finished...I'm sure Les will help you out with this, because: a) He's a computer whiz & all-around good guy; b) We just gave him a big chunk of cash! :~) Bob NP: Ani, "You Had Time" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:41:27 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni Sybil, I am waiting for my 17 year old daughter to "get" Joni. She recently switched to a punk/alternative taste and some of her friends are into Joni influenced artists like Elvis Costello. My poor daughter has listened to Joni since she was in the womb, so maybe that is why she resists. My almost 18 year old foster daugther will never have any taste as she goes with what the crowd thinks is cool and not what she really likes. I feel bad for her needing this approval of her music. That was one thing that I never did as a youngster, but then I, like you, was raised in a magical time for music, the 60's. Thanks for sharing your story, Sue n.p. "Oh, Canada" Five Iron Frenzy _____________________________________________________________ Play the Elvis. Scratch & Win for your chance to instantly win $10,000 Cash - - a 2003 Harley Davidson. Sportster. - 1 of 25,000 CD's - and more! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail_scratch_tl/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020801/index.asp?tc=7087 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:49:57 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell thesis*** Which is why we have the Electronic Thesis and Dissertation Committee nationally. I've been a member for years and encourage all to be written and submitted this way. We have been requesting Universities and Colleges to make it a requirement. Jerry NR - Running With Scissors - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:36 PM To: davidsapp@peoplepc.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thesis*** > Count me in on those who would like to read this when its > done Me too, Immy...maybe you can just set up a link from the JMDL when it's finished...I'm sure Les will help you out with this, because: a) He's a computer whiz & all-around good guy; b) We just gave him a big chunk of cash! :~) Bob NP: Ani, "You Had Time" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:55:09 +0200 From: "patricia van nunen" Subject: my intro to Joni Hi everyone, I would like to add my little intro to Joni on the list here. A dear friend gave me the LP "Blue" on my birthday in 1980.( I just turned 15...) I was still a little girl,living in a little village,and I was not ready for this kind of music.(My dear friend knew me better than I knew myself.)The song that touched me the most at that time was "Last time I saw Richard" because I imagined how it would be at an older age "hiding behind bottles in some dark cafe".I know now how it feels...Anyway, I spear you the long and boring details. Other highlights in the soundtrack of my life: the discovery of "Miles of Ailes".It was given by the same friend as my wedding gift in 1988.(The man is gone but Joni's still here.:7)) Then the "Hejira-DJRD" combination was revealed years later in my "search for who-I-am and where-to-go era". These two discs still blow me away."Hejira" for the lyrics,the sound and the overall impression I get from this album.It's overwhelming and transcending at the same time."DJRD" for the intense and overwhelming Jaco Pastorius on bass: he's the only bassplayer in the world who can make me cry the whole night.Why? In my humble opinion he plays with his soul,he&his bass are one,and he's really responding to Joni's lyrics when she's singing. It's an amazing co-existence(sp?)At the end of the rainbow I've found the rest of her albums, and now I am a big girrl,and it all makes sense. And the JMDL is the pot of gold. Love. Patricia. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:12:26 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joni Has anyone heard this rumor? ~rose Return-path: From: NoRAGROM@aol.com Full-name: NoRAGROM Message-ID: <14c.13d3150a.2aafc093@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:39:31 EDT Subject: Joni To: RoseMJoy@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Hey Rose, Have you heard any rumors that Joni will be onstage with Nash this Sat at the Keswick in Phil ? An eBayer has his ticks for sale advertising that Joni and Shawn Colvin will be his guests? Ask around? Did you make it to the fest? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: TTT sequencing, was Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany Hmmm. This thread on sequencing might prove thought provoking for Jack and Paz as they wrap things up in Nawlins. Anyway, I'll chuck in my pet peeve on sequencing: TTT. It has always, always, bothered me that TTT starts with a very, very dirty, digital-grunge sound. Now, I love the track: "Harlem In Havana". To me, it's one of Joni's amazing miracles. I mean, where the hell did this come from? No one could have predicted that this genius, widely misunderstood as a ingenue, could conceive THIS! This is a producer's track. And the producer is Joni Mitchell! But, it needs the right setup. On my computer at work, my track sequence preserves most of Joni's sequencing while "fixing" only what bugs me. It starts with a sad one, Man From Mars, then picks up HER sequence, 'Love Puts On A New Face' and 'Lead Balloon'. As you know, that one ends with a big, purposely bent (sharp), trailing-off guitar sound. That's the *perfect* place to drop in the grungy, digital opening for "Harlem In Havana". When the carnival snippets come in, it all falls into place. Mmmmm. Yummy, not gummy. So, for me, it's 2,3,4,1, then back to Joni's sequence: 5,6,7,8,9,10, bonus track: Tiger Bones. Lamadoo ps, the Yahoo! spell check suggested changing "snippets" to..... wait for it...... "snip pets". Kinda Lynch-esque, eh? __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: My Intro To Joni Welcome out of lurkdom, Harry! I've already posted too much today but the spirit is moving in me today. I really like the bit in your post where you describe your co-workers by analogy to songwriters. That is so very "High Fidelity"!! Then you mentioned her scatting on the opening track of Miles Of Aisles! Wow! Yes! Thank you! In looking back over the chronology, I guess I can say that *that scatting* was the opening shot in her Jazz barrage. Oh, my, when I found that album, I was gone too. Exactly. This woman *knows*. Lama - --- Harry83house@aol.com wrote, in part, > Then in the mid-80's, I > left my family home in Georgia and moved to the > metro NYC area where I got my > dream job of working in a record store. > > Two of my fellow employees were > REALLY major Joni fans, a Joan > Jett type married lady, named Mary, who always wore > black, and a James Taylor > type guy, Doug. > > MILES OF AISLES did it. Joni's > high HIGH duet at the end > of YOU TURN ME ON..., the CIRCLE GAME sing-along, > the acoustic section with > just Joni and guitar. Even the audience banter was > mesmerizing. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:06:12 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! > >Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a bit...here is a great trivia > >question that gets people thinking (and humming): Which Beatles song starts > >out with the chorus? > > "Can't Buy Me Love," "Help," a few others, too, I think. > > -Fred > My thought was 'Eleanor Rigby' - 'Ah look at all the lonely people...' Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni Proof that Elvis Costello was heavily influenced: "Invisible shivers running down my spine. I don't know how .... much more..... .... of this..... .... I can...... .....take..... She's filing her nails while they're draggin' the..... ...... lake. She's watchin' the detectives." Lama __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:48:14 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Shiny Toys and miscellany > Bob S wrote > > >>Hey, speaking of senses of humor, I just saw "There's Something About > Mary" > for the second time. I was in tears-runnin-down-my-face stitches again I loved it too Bob. Pretty silly but even when I didn't want to laugh I did, so much that it hurt. Easy to watch and a great movie to just take one away from the day. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:05:41 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni with Nash? Hi Rise, Haven't heard this. You never know about those eBayers but with the line-up Nash has with him, you never know anyway - there could be surprises! Mr. Klein will be there as well as Jeff Pevar, Dean Parks, Russ Kunkel and James Raymond - an ecstasy-inducing liine-up in its own right. I hope you go and give us a report. I'm going to the Oct. 2nd one here and cannot wait. Kakki > Has anyone heard this rumor? > > ~rose > Hey Rose, > Have you heard any rumors that Joni will be onstage with Nash this Sat at the > Keswick in Phil ? > An eBayer has his ticks for sale advertising that Joni and Shawn Colvin will > be his guests? Ask around? > Did you make it to the fest? > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:13:32 +0700 From: Angela.Takats@reuters.com Subject: joni mommy sjc Sue and Sybil, WHY WEREN'T YOU MY MOMMY!! :-) Oh to have a mother who understood joni....to have a mother who even LISTENED to music. No, seriously, I love my mother dearly, but sometimes I wonder how I can be her daughter when her knowledge of music is zero. My folks just came to Bangkok for the weekend...hadn't seen them in a year...and the first thing my dad says: "We don't want to see you sing tonight, it stresses me to hear you sing in public" WHO HAS PARENTS LIKE THIS?! Their daughter has moved overseas and set up a life for herself, got a great gig singing at one of the top live music venues in Bangkok and they don't wanna see me sing?....goodness me. Keep loving your kids, and teaching them about good music - one day they will "get it" and love you for it:-) Ange, BKK PS...in the end I talked them into coming to my gig and they loved it...yay Sue wrote: <<> - ------------------------------------------------------------- --- Visit our Internet site at http://www.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:28:22 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni with Nash? In a message dated 9/10/02 10:06:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > Haven't heard this. You never know about those eBayers but with the line-up > Nash has with him, you never know anyway - there could be surprises! Mr. > Klein will be there as well as Jeff Pevar, Dean Parks, Russ Kunkel and > James > Raymond - an ecstasy-inducing liine-up in its own right. I hope you go and > give us a report. I'm going to the Oct. 2nd one here and cannot wait. > > Hey he's playing in Red Bank, NJ on the 19th, ya never know who may show up at that one, BR-UU-CE?? ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:45:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: ti a question? Mack writes: << What I don't understand is the part that begins with the drs. and their gloves >> Doctors put on gloves these day when they perform just about any procedure, whether it's surgery or the examination of bruises on a battered woman. I find it very hard to believe that this song is not about Jackson Browne's situation, no matter what Joni says. Also, I have had a very bad cold or allergies for the last few days so I haven't been keeping up with any of my e-mail, Joni list or regular. But for the record, I think boom boom pachyderm has a double meaning with drums and wee wees. At least that is what the Nyquil is telling me. Gotta go cough some more. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:00:53 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: ti a question? Get well soon Bob! I thought it was elephant trunks and wee wees. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:46 PM To: courtandspark@earthlink.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: ti a question? Mack writes: << What I don't understand is the part that begins with the drs. and their gloves >> Doctors put on gloves these day when they perform just about any procedure, whether it's surgery or the examination of bruises on a battered woman. I find it very hard to believe that this song is not about Jackson Browne's situation, no matter what Joni says. Also, I have had a very bad cold or allergies for the last few days so I haven't been keeping up with any of my e-mail, Joni list or regular. But for the record, I think boom boom pachyderm has a double meaning with drums and wee wees. At least that is what the Nyquil is telling me. Gotta go cough some more. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:08:20 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: a lot of talk going on the the JMDL chat room Kate, Cindy, Yael, Pebbles and me are there now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:11:26 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: About Joni being underrated! > > Speaking of innovative and breaking the mold a > > bit...here is a great trivia > > question that gets people thinking (and humming): > > Which Beatles song starts > > out with the chorus? > > > >Hey! Bungalow Bill! Good one...and indeed... this does start out with the chorus!! >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:26:43 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Pregnant Joni In the early 90's, a friend of mine and fellow Joniphile had heard from pals in LA that Joni was pregnant. And in the winter of 94, I caught the tale end of a news feature about women at the upper end of childbearing-age going through a medical procedure in order to ensure pregnancy. I happened to be in another room while the segment aired, and came in to view the very tail end of a clip of Joni saying something like "I'd go through it again..." or "I'd do it again..." Does anyone have any info about this? Did anyone else hear rumors to that effect? thanks, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Low Subject: RE: My Intro To Joni Sybil concluded optimistically: >Well, hallelujah, maybe there's hope for the younger generation after all. Indeed!! My experience certainly supports this. My 17 year-old daughter Tegan enjoys Joni Michell, particularly the early songs (and knows the lyrics better than me!). Her favourite album is LOTC and she just loves that video snippet from the Dick Cavet (sp?) Show from 1969 "with all those hippies". She also surprised me recently by dipping into my Grateful Dead collection and, only last night, casually introduced the lyrics to Box of Rain into a conversation word perfect. And all this while she is still listening to current stuff! I think that, given the opportunity to be exposed to the earlier music, today's youngsters will explore widely and, as far as rock music is concerned, they have what us oldies never had - a tradition of riches (and rubbish of course) to mine! Best wishes, John (in Sydney) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:22:58 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Why our kids are/aren't listening to Joni >Proof that Elvis Costello was heavily influenced: > >"Invisible shivers > running down my spine. > I don't know how >.... much more..... >.... of this..... >.... I can...... >.....take..... >She's >filing her nails >while they're >draggin' the..... >...... >lake. >She's watchin' the detectives." > > >Lama I also here he has covered 'Edith And The Kingpin'. STEVE T. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:35:09 -0500 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: gordon lightfoot (top five) I've been playin gordon's tunes since i learned guitar in the late 60's... something about the simplicity and beauty of great melodies and poetic lyrics... really appealed to me then, and now... i may have grown out of gordon a bit, but something always brings me back to his tunes my top five gordon tunes: go my way beautiful early mornin rain miguel ballad of yarmouth castle ( much better than the wreck of edmund fitzgerald, imho) same topic pussywillows cattails is also gorgeous lyrically and melodically, and if you could read my mind has some great stuff in it.... kenny rankin's version of pussywillows is superb saw my best friend's wedding the other night... thought the scene where julia robert's gay friend explains how they met and launches into a dionne warwick tune, with everyone chiming in perfectly, was hysterical... i think you super talented jmdl performers should do something like that at a jonifest at some point... enjoyed hearing about the festival... thanks to all someday soon, going to party, someday soon my first joni album, yes, vinyl, was blue, and i remember my dad making some wisecrack about it... carey and the title track mesmerized me most... but came to love songs like morning morgantown, michael from mountains, circle game, rainy night house... she's never been underrated in my book, or underappreciated... although lots of guys who dig rocknroll don't like her i guess... of course, i kinda like i'm so square (baby i don't care) isn't that kindof rocknroll? delurking for a moment alan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #263 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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