From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #258 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, September 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 258 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: September 7 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: September 7 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] picture of HENRY!!! [Christina Friis-Nielsen ] Re: Blue Motel Room [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Mondegreens (again) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] A Travelogue! [Lazyasz@aol.com] UK chat room time [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: UK chat room time [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: A Travelogue! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Travelogue! [Mags N Brei ] Joni Mitchell Tribute CORRECTION!!!! [Michael Paz ] Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** ["Doman, Iruma" ] Re: UK chat room time [Michael Paz ] Jonifest 2002 Joni Video ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Blue Motel Room [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: A Travelogue! ["Mark or Travis" ] just a little green... [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: Blue Motel Room/Greek Wedding [Catherine McKay ] Re:lesbians & folk /NY Times article ["Kate Bennett" ] re: Blue Motel Room ["Garret" ] re: Blue Motel Room ["Garret" ] Re: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Blue Motel Room [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Blue Motel Room/Greek Wedding ["kakki" ] Re: New Orleans Joni Mitchell Tribute ["kakki" ] Re: A Travelogue! ["kakki" ] Re: A Travelogue! ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Amelio Alamo" ] Re: Joni Mondegreens (again) ["Lori in MD" ] a little chat anyone? [Christina Friis-Nielsen ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #353 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: New Orleans Joni Mitchell Tribute [Michael Paz Subject: picture of HENRY!!! I have a VERY nice picture of Henry from Full Moon Resort if any of the women (or men) who attended JoniFest 2002 should be interested... Nikki, I know you are!! ;o) Hugs, Christina P.S. If interest calls for it (and Chris will tell me how to), I'll scan it - to put on Chris' website. I also have other great snapshots of people playing, performing, hugging, saying goodbye... :..-( ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:29:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Welcome, Anthony! BMR is one of my FAVE Joni songs ever, and hopefully in our time will become the jazz standard it deserves to be. It's been covered 3 times in the past year... The "boom boom pachyderm" line has been a controversial one around here forever. Some give it a sexual connotation, which I had always associated with it as well. Pachyderm meaning elephant, and referring to his member as being like an elephant's trunk. Others have stated that it's a musical term used in drumming, and that she's simply saying that the guy is a musician and has the ladies hanging around him as musicians tend to have. I'm sure there are other angles as well... Bob NP: Joni, "Court & Spark" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:36:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mondegreens (again) **The site takes submissions -- surely we can contribute!! One that I thought of...when I heard it on the radio, before I bought the record: "Didn't it feel good, we were sittin' here talkin', or lying in a coffin, didn't it feel good" A fairly macabre one, I know...but hey, consider the source! ;~) Bob NP: "Help Me" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:54:40 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: A Travelogue! Well from what I could tell from the USA Today article, that is indeed the title unless their wording was off. I must say that I am very excited for this cd! I really hope that Vincent Mendoza a master symphonic and choral arranger, see his work on BSN and Bjork's Vespertine, has taken the already complex tonal and chordal motifs of these songs and has wisked them away to a symphonic land which does nothing but to further illuminate their minor modal and major harmonies into some vast and significant orchestral strata. And by what i've heard I think there may be a choir on at least one track...wasn't that Amelia...and maybe many others. Oh, i'm sure many will accuse Joni of further coasting and resting on laurels but I think this project has the potential to be something really special. The title, if it does indeed turn out to be the one mentioned in the article, is succinct and literal, if not exactly witty or transcendent ;) Peace & Deeper Understanding ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:04:50 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: UK chat room time Hey it's Saturday, 10AM, do you know where your JMDLers are? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 15:07:56 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Welcome, welcome. Wow, a Joni Mitchell fan younger than me! No, I don't know what it means either and would like to know. Steve T. >From: SprngB2000@aol.com >Reply-To: SprngB2000@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Blue Motel Room >Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 02:45:18 EDT > >Hi everybody, > >I'm 17 years old and a big fan of Joni Mitchell-- especially her more >jazz-influenced material. I have a question: In the song "Blue Motel >Room"-- >which is really stunning-- there's a line "...hanging on your boom, boom >pachyderm..." and I have no clue what it means, but would like to know. Can >anyone help? Thanks. > >Anthony _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:09:14 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: UK chat room time Oh well, I just popped my head around the door and there's nobody else at all! Azeem NP: England v India at the Oval ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:14:52 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Travelogue! > but I think this project has the potential to be something > really special. I agree! I just hope the production is not so mushy - I want to be able to hear all the separate sonics. I'm delighted to hear that Billy Preston is taking part, maybe he will add some soul to the mix - I thought BSN was way too sterile sounding, the rhythms got lost along the way. And I'm excited too! November will be here before you know it! Bob, who just scored General Admission floor seats for THE Bruce show in Columbia!!! How 'bout them apples Rosalita? :~) NP: Ozzy, "Mama I'm coming home" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:55:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: A Travelogue! any news on a concert or two ?? i know there was talk of some showcase concerts...??? we are hopefully hoping in Woodbury :-) - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > but I think this project has the potential to be something > > really special. > > I agree! I just hope the production is not so mushy - I want to be > able to hear all the separate sonics. I'm delighted to hear that > Billy Preston is taking part, maybe he will add some soul to the mix > - I thought BSN was way too sterile sounding, the rhythms got lost > along the way. > > And I'm excited too! November will be here before you know it! > > Bob, who just scored General Admission floor seats for THE Bruce show > in Columbia!!! How 'bout them apples Rosalita? :~) > > NP: Ozzy, "Mama I'm coming home" ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 11:20:37 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Mitchell Tribute CORRECTION!!!! I am sorry everyone I typed out my email address in the body of this message incorrectly on my first try. The spelling police caught it (Thank God) and I am sending this out again to you with the correct one. The excitement around here is so thick you can cut it with a buttah knife. Thanks for all the orders so far. Have a great weekend. Love Paz Well folks at long last the official announcement is finally here - PazFest-The New Orleans Tribute to Singer Songwriter Joni Mitchell at the Howlin' Wolf, recorded live on May 28, 2000. I produced this album to benefit the Ruth Paz Foundation's construction of a Burn Center in San Pedro, Sula, Honduras. A portion of the proceeds will also be donated to both JMDL.com and JoniMitchell.com to help with the costs of running these two important and very significant operations. This production took me forever because I refused to spend money on it so as to make more money for the cause. Technically it was quite difficult to produce because of the enormity of the music and many technical problems with the actual recording. Only a few songs were lost altogether so volumes 1 & 2 is the bulk of the material by New Orleans recording artists + special guests, The Bryan Thomas Band. This Was an unforgettable night and there are some stellar performances here that will leave you breathless! Hopefully Volume 3 will be released at later date and will will feature the Jason Marsalis Band, David Lahm and Little Queenie which were the Jazzer's of the fest and equally moving performances. I would like to thank everyone that helped me with this project and supported me throughout the process. Special thanks to Jim LamaDoo and Jack Merkel for fotos and artwork. Rick Naiser of Festival Recording Studios helped me enormously with the post production and mixing work. He is a genius! The first release is a two record set. The music is as follows: Volume One I Think I Understand-John Parker Both Sides Now-John Parker Sex Kills-Leslie Smith Song To A Seagull-Betsy McGovern Blue Boy-Jack Neilson The Last Time I Saw Richard- Susan Cowsill w/ Robert Mache Chelsea Morning- Susan Cowsill w/ Robert Mache For Free-Candace Cox and Robert Mache Ladies of the Canyon-Beth Patterson The Priest-Danzig and Wooley Trouble Child-Danzig and Wooley Night Ride Home-Vic Saul Big Yellow Taxi-John Rankin You Turn Me On (I1m A Radio)-Kim Carson w/ Bud Tower Volume Two Woodstock-Kim Prevost and Bill Solley Both Sides Now-Kim Prevost and Bill Solley Blue Motel Room-Denise Marie Band Furry Sings The Blues-Denise Marie Band (with Sam Price & Andre Bohren) Amelia-Michael Paz and Friends Beth's Solo-Beth Patterson Hejira-Michael Paz (with Brian Stoltz, Beth Patterson, Kevin Aucoin, & Sam Price) Help Me-Brian Stoltz (with Kevin Aucoin & Sam Price) Black Crow-The Bryan Thomas Band Little Green-The Bryan Thomas Band All I Want-The Bryan Thomas Band To pre-order this collection please respond to me privately at michaelpazz@directvinternet.com . The two volume set is a minimum donation of $25 dollars US for BOTH CD's + a small fee for shipping and handling ($5 for US Priority Mail within the US) (depending on where you are on the Map of the World). Through the end of this year I will run a Christmas special of buy four and get one FREE! So a $100 donation gets you five 2 CD Sets that will make GREAT Christmas gifts for your friends and family. At the same time you will be helping heal burn patients in Honduras (where we have been helping kids for the last 35 years - please see www.honduras.com/ruthpaz). At this time I will only be able to accept checks or money orders, but very soon the new web site will be up and I will be able to accept credit cards as well. Please see either jmdl.com or jonimitchell.com for a view of the album cover (which will be posted soon thanks to Les and Jim). The actual release date is September 24, 2002. I will ship orders on a first come first serve basis, And they will be shipped as soon as the product arrives back from pressing. I am currently negotiating for further distribution. Also available now is the JMDL artists portion of this show with artwork by Steve Polifka which includes the following: Free Man in Paris-Victor Johnson Coyote-Catgirl Man From Mars-Steve Polifka Two Grey Rooms-Steve Polifka Woodstock-Marcel Deste Conversation-Claudia San Soucie Candlelight Vigil for Wally Breese Just Like This Train-Michael Paz Chinese Cafi-Michael Paz Little Green-Bryan Thomas Band All I Want-Bryan Thomas Band The JMDL artists portion will be available through a CD Tree that will be open for sign-up for branches AND leaves through the end of September. This will be a blanks and postage kind of a deal and will be free to anyone. Anyone who receives this and cares to make a donation to the foundation will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks to Steve Polifka for his hard work on this project. This release is available only to JMDL listmembers at this time. Thanks again for all your support! Michael Paz P.S. Phew!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:26:34 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Orleans Joni Mitchell Tribute You always have been bonafide! Thanks bro! That Thomas guy shows some promise me thinks. Love Paz NP-A Case of You-Bryan Thomas (JF2002) on 9/6/02 10:56 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu at jlamadoo@yahoo.com wrote: > Paz et al, > > Congratulations, bud! > > Helping in a tiny way with this project is literally a > dream come true for me! When I was a kid reading > Rolling Stone and studying those photos by Annie > Lebowitz, I drempt of having musicians as friends and > being a kind of hanger-on with a camera. > > While I wasn't completely sure when I saw the photo on > the tray (back), I thought it looked a lot like some > stuff I shot that day. What a gas for me, I'll tell > ya! I'm bonafide! heh heh > > Anyway, the real point is that you gave everyone an > avenue to help out people who really need it in > Honduras and for that, I'm proud to call you my > friend. You are the best. > > Lama > > PS, You seem to be high on this "Bryan Thomas" person. > Is he any good? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:25:30 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room/Greek Wedding << Pachyderm meaning elephant, and referring to his member as being like an elephant's trunk. >> With a gutter brain like that, I don't know why they call you the *nice* Bob, Muller. Doesn't the word pachyderm mean "hard skin?" Rhinos and hippos are also pachyderms. And wasn't this song written for John Guerin, a drummer? And aren't drums stretched hard skin? "Give me any word and I'll tell you how it comes from the Greek." If you haven't seen "My Big, Fat Greek Wedding" yet -- go! I haven't laughed so hard since Jonifest. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:34:23 -0400 From: "Doman, Iruma" Subject: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** Hi everyone! My name is Immy and i am a new member of the JMDL discussion list. I joined, partly because i am a huge Joni Mitchell fan, but also because i am currently writing my thesis -and it is on Joni!!! I am a university student in my final year and my thesis is on Joni Mitchell and issues of gender. Joni is particularly interesting to look at within this context, because she embodies so many contradictions and she has had a complex and interesting relationship with the Feminist movement. I am going to look at how she is distinctive in expressing/exemplifying a strong woman (e.g. by breaking new ground in the music industry which, at the time, was comlitely male dominated; by retaining such a great degree of control over her career, album covers; by becoming one of the most important women in rock and one of the most important songer-songwriters in the history of pop music, etc), but not necessarily in feminist terms. When questioned about the feminist movement in interviews, Joni has repeatedly stated that she does not identify with it, because she finds it too 'apartheid' and she feels it can potentially create a greater rift between the sexes. However, she is undoubtedly an extremely strong and independent woman and even considered by some to be a feminist role model. Many of her lyrics are also open to feminist interpretations. I am going to look at the ways in which she presents relationships, the self etc. I will look at whether all her songs are gendered, and if many are not, are they still gendered because of the image she projects? At the moment, i am in the research stage and i have a lot of ideas floating around, but not much order to them yet. The reason i am writing to you all, is that i am really interested in any feedback you have or ideas/opinions on these topics. ANYTHING that could be of help would be very much appreciated. e.g. what songs do you think it would be important for me to look at within this context? Are there any specific books/articles/interviews/people i should contact that could help me with my research. (I have already read most of the articles on the JMDL website, as well as most of the books published on Joni Mitchell. However, i don't want to get bogged down with too much background information either, as the thesis has to be a maximum of 8000 words long, so i have to stay focused to my argument on the issues of gender.) If anyone wants want to write to me with any ideas, please e-mail me on idoman@middlebury.edu. Also, if anyone is interested in reading a copy of my thisis when it is finished, please let me know! (although it won't be completed it until April '03!). I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes, Immy floating around, but not much order to them yet. significant and influential female singer-songwriters in the history of ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:38:56 -0400 From: "Doman, Iruma" Subject: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** Hi everyone! My name is Immy and i am a new member of the JMDL discussion list. I joined, partly because i am a huge Joni Mitchell fan, but also because i am currently writing my thesis -and it is on Joni!!! I am a university student in my final year and my thesis is on Joni Mitchell and issues of gender. Joni is particularly interesting to look at within this context, because she embodies so many contradictions and she has had a complex and interesting relationship with the Feminist movement. I am going to look at how she is distinctive in expressing/exemplifying a strong woman (e.g. by breaking new ground in the music industry which, at the time, was comlitely male dominated; by retaining such a great degree of control over her career, album covers; by becoming one of the most important women in rock and one of the most important songer-songwriters in the history of pop music, etc), but not necessarily in feminist terms. When questioned about the feminist movement in interviews, Joni has repeatedly stated that she does not identify with it, because she finds it too 'apartheid' and she feels it can potentially create a greater rift between the sexes. However, she is undoubtedly an extremely strong and independent woman and even considered by some to be a feminist role model. Many of her lyrics are also open to feminist interpretations. I am going to look at the ways in which she presents relationships, the self etc. I will look at whether all her songs are gendered, and if many are not, are they still gendered because of the image she projects? At the moment, i am in the research stage and i have a lot of ideas floating around, but not much order to them yet. The reason i am writing to you all, is that i am really interested in any feedback you have or ideas/opinions on these topics. ANYTHING that could be of help would be very much appreciated. e.g. what songs do you think it would be important for me to look at within this context? Are there any specific books/articles/interviews/people i should contact that could help me with my research. (I have already read most of the articles on the JMDL website, as well as most of the books published on Joni Mitchell. However, i don't want to get bogged down with too much background information either, as the thesis has to be a maximum of 8000 words long, so i have to stay focused to my argument on the issues of gender.) If anyone wants want to write to me with any ideas, please e-mail me on idoman@middlebury.edu. Also, if anyone is interested in reading a copy of my thisis when it is finished, please let me know! (although it won't be completed it until April '03!). I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes, Immy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:48:04 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: UK chat room time I'm in the room right now Paz on 9/7/02 7:04 AM, RoseMJoy@aol.com at RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Hey it's Saturday, 10AM, do you know where your JMDLers are? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:42:10 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Jonifest 2002 Joni Video With all the post-Jonifest thank-yous coming round, I just felt I had to chime in here and thank the individuals responsable for putting together this great Joni video for us. Thank you - whoever you are! The Speakeasy interview is quite revelatory and interesting. Funny how Joni seems to be constantly on her guard and never quite seems to break into a laugh or even a grin, always teetering behind the line.... I loved her performance of BSN on the Rosie show - a true classic, and the story about Brian Blade noticing the heart on the sleeve of her photo, which then became the album cover for BSN, was great! I had never noticed it before. (For those of you who don't know - go check out the sleeve of her green jacket!) The ABC interview with Sandborn was very sweet, especially when she talks of her daughter. It seems we can look forward to seeing a Joni portrait of Kilauren some day. The Bravo Hearts & Minds clips of early Joni singing BSN on acoustic guitar, and seeing her bang away on her dulcimer for California, were also great. I would love to see more of early Joni on video - if any of that is around. Finally, the MTV clips were quite refreshing - we begin to glimpse some of Joni's spontaneity as a talker. Michaelo NP: Coral Egan & Alex Cattaneo - The path of least resistance ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:55:37 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room welcome anthony ! i beleive the line " hanging on your boom-boom-pachyderm," is a reference to john guerin, jon'i's love at the time she wrote the song. john played drums with the LA Express on the albums, CS, HOSL, Hejira, and DJRD, as well as backing her on subsequent tours beggining with joni's 1974 tour which resulted in the album MOA. like many of joni's other paramours i beleive john had a problem with being mongomous. the " ...boom-boom-pachyderm " is an allusion to his drum set and the women he might attract because of his musician status. at least that's my take on it...again welcome ! jonily yours, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:02:49 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A Travelogue! > I really hope that Vincent Mendoza a master symphonic and choral arranger, > see his work on BSN and Bjork's Vespertine, has taken the already complex > tonal and chordal motifs of these songs and has wisked them away to a > symphonic land which does nothing but to further illuminate their minor modal > and major harmonies into some vast and significant orchestral strata. > > > Oh, i'm sure many will accuse Joni of further coasting and resting on laurels > but I think this project has the potential to be something really special. > From hearing the pieces that were performed as encores on the BSN tour my feeling is that this record is indeed going to be something very special. The orchestrations added something musically new to each of the songs and Joni's mature voice and perspective provided new emotional nuances. I don't see how anyone who loves Joni and has heard her newest versions of 'Both Sides Now' and 'A Case of You' can see this new project as 'Living Strings Does Joni Mitchell.' One thing that occurs to me though is that she might have a hard time comparing her musical compositions to paintings now as she seemed to do on 'Miles of Aisles.' There are examples of painters returning to the same subject, though, and painting it in a different light or from a different perspective or using a different palette. I think in this case Joni has taken some of her early marker and watercolor works and re-done them in oils with a full palette and a larger canvass. But I suppose you could argue that she's 'painting a starry night again, man!' Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:13:13 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: just a little green... greeting listers ! from the posts of late i take it you all had quite the time at the full moon. ( that crazy moon brings out the beast in us all !!! ) i have enjoyed reading all your posts and have also enjoyed viewing the pix that were posted. thanks to all... i wanted to inform you all of a new product i saw on the tube the other night, it is brought to you by bissell - of cleaning machine fame. it appeared to be a portable water based floor cleaning machine called " little green." naturally the unit was green in color and little - thus the moniker. i'm assuming the only reason they didn't use portions of the song in the ad was because joni put here foot down ! gosh...everything joni...seems to be a sign of the times.i thought you folks might find it humorous, i certainly had a lengthy chuckle... keeping it clean with joni, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:35:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room/Greek Wedding - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > << Pachyderm meaning elephant, and referring to his > member as being like an > elephant's trunk. >> > > With a gutter brain like that, I don't know why they > call you the *nice* Bob, > Muller. > LOL -you are certainly the *funny* Bob (but I suppose I'll get in trouble for that now from someone.) (I'm one of those who, where Joni is concerned, believes there is always more than one meaning to everything she says, so I agree with the gutter version and the other one.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:14:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Swan Song", AKA "BSN2 (The Sequel), 100% JC Thanks for the link, Kakki! I'm relieved to see that Joni did some paintings for this one instead of the ransom-note-stylings on the 'hits' and 'misses' discs. In Edna Gundersen's teaser article, she said, "Tunes transformed from pop simplicity to classical grandeur include Woodstock, Amelia, Chinese Cafi, Flat Tire, For the Roses, God Must Be a Boogie Man, Sex Kills, Be Cool, Just Like This Train, The Last Time I Saw Richard and Circle Game." Now Lama again. Two things. 1. Calling the magnificent studio version of "Chinese Cafe" on "Wild Things Run Fast" "pop simplicity" is an enormous stretch. It's a load of crap, in fact. I can only imagine that Ms. Gundersen was restricted by McPaper's love of simplification and pulpy, breezy writing. Right gang? Still, I thank USA Today for giving Joni ink at all. 2. Conspicuously absent is my beloved "Judgment of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune)". Of course Ms. Gundersen couldn't list them all. There's hope, right? I mean, Joni loved it enough to do it live during the BSN tour, right? Everything's gonna be alright. Right?? Biting my nails, Lama PS, For those who missed it, the link is: http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2002-09-05-joni-mitchell_x.htm Remember the scene in "Almost Famous" when the tribe was reunited and the kid says, "*IT'S ALL HAPPENING!!!*" ? 'Nuff said. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:14:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: music movies some jc >>I also just saw The Last Waltz again and the amazing Coyote performance.> i just watched this last week in a music movie marathon on tv...the first was stings bring on the night, then janis (which i'd never seen tho have seen some of the footage), then the last waltz... it was new info for me that like joni, janis was first an artist...she remarked that in high school she was into art & had few friends there...she said that being an artist was an introverted & solo thing as opposed to performing which is an extroverted & social thing... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:14:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re:lesbians & folk /NY Times article Jenny wrote: >For what it's worth, the article was not well received by many people in the folk biz. The feeling was that the author (or perhaps editor) had an agenda and did their best to create a controversial story where one did not exist. At least 2 of the performers interviewed for the article said they were misquoted. Jenny< i thought this article exagerated the scene a LOT...it doesn't suprise me that the author took a controversial angle (journalism 101) or misquoted people...i read much of his book postively 4th street & felt he took a strange angle in that book too...& anyone that calls buellton (the famous home of anderson's split pea soup) bolton is not doing a very accurate job of research/writing imo...details... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:30:36 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Welcome guys!! I'm so glad you guys are here and love joni!! IT makes me happy to know a young person (teens/twenties) dig her music. WHen ever I get the opportunity to spread Joni's music....I do it. And I try especially hard when they are young. I'm convinced if people in your generation heard her.. she would have tons of new converts. I'm working on a nephew(18yrs)who now finds her interesting.(but not a convert, yet) Right now he is into blues and jazz...and is exploring. I turned him onto Diana Krall; I took him to see her earlier this year......(thinks she is hot...awesome!!) but loves her style..voice, too. Did you guys post how you were introduced to Joni? If not, I would be interested to know? Bree >Welcome, welcome. >Wow, a Joni Mitchell fan younger than me! >No, I don't know what it means either and would like to know. > >Steve T. > > >>Hi everybody, >> >>I'm 17 years old and a big fan of Joni Mitchell-- especially her more >>jazz-influenced material. I have a question: In the song "Blue Motel >>Room"-- >>which is really stunning-- there's a line "...hanging on your boom, boom >>pachyderm..." and I have no clue what it means, but would like to know. >>Can >>anyone help? Thanks. >> >>Anthony > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:01:10 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: re: Blue Motel Room >Hi everybody, I'm 17 years old and a big fan of Joni Mitchell-- especially her more jazz-influenced material. I have a question: In the song "Blue Motel Room"-- which is really stunning-- there's a line "...hanging on your boom, boom pachyderm..." and I have no clue what it means, but would like to know. Can anyone help? Thanks. > I've got a blue motel room With a blue bedspread I've got the blues inside and outside my head Will you still love me When I call you up when I'm down Here in Savannah it's pouring rain Palm trees in the porch light like slick black cellophane Will you still love me When I call you up when I get back to town I know that you've got all those pretty girls coming on Hanging on your *****boom-boom-pachyderm***** Will you tell those girls that you've got German Measles Honey, tell them you've got germs I hope you'll be thinking of me Because I'll be thinking of you While I'm traveling home alone Tell those girls that you've got Joni She's coming back home Hey there Anthony. New to the list?? If so, welcome, good to hear from you. Im on digest mode, so your question may have been answered already. As far as i recall, the pachyderms are a group of animals (mammals) typified by their thick skin (*pachys* is the greek for thick, and *derma* being the greek for skin), they are also distinguished by their hooves and the fact that they are non-ruminants (i may be wrong mind you; taxonomy was one of my weaker classes in zoology), examples include elephants, rhinos, and pigs. I leave it up to teh rest of you to make sense of that in relation to the lyrics:) Like Anthony i would appreciate some clarification! GARRET (back to college next week!!! Hoorah!!) NP- Edith Piaf, La Vie En Rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:08:12 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: re: Blue Motel Room ok, im interested in the pachyderm thing now, and just a little bored (hell, there's no credit in my phone, so im surfing hte net!!!) I just did a search using hte word pachyderma and found an interesting site http://www.dancingaboutarc.com/lists/vocablist.html I've included the relevant segment below GARRET _______________________________________________ EXPAND YOUR VOCABULARY WITH ROCK LYRICS: by Peter Gorman The following are actual words that were used in rock songs, written by songwriters who presumably knew what the words meant when they wrote them. On the other hand, most listeners won't recognize these words when they first hear them, and that's why we're here with this list. The definitions are courtesy of the Oxford American Dictionary, with a little help from Webster's 1. Pachyderm . Definition: a thick-skinned animal, especially an elephant or a rhinoceros. It is derived from the Greek word for thick-skinned and dates from 1838. When was it used? -- Joni Mitchell sang "I know you've got all those girls coming on/hanging on your boom-boom-pachyderm" on her 1976 song "Blue Motel Room." Based on the dictionary definition of pachyderm, I have no idea what the lyric means. Hanging on your thumpin' rhino? Frankly it sounds kind of dirty, in a "Tusk" sort of way (see Mac, Fleetwood, 1979). What rhymes with it? -- Mitchell used "germs," avoiding the complications of rhyming beyond the last syllable; "tell them you got germs," she sings. I think "manicure" would work, or the simpler rhymes of "learn," "squirm," "firm," and "worm." Given these choices, "tell them you got worms" would have packed the most punch. Use it in a sentence -- My pachyderm must be asleep or something. _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:01:04 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** Hi Immy, welcome to the list. Well you know you have to listen to 'Don't Interupt The Sorrow' and I'm sure there are many more songs which will help your research. It does sound verry interesting and yes, I would be interested at looking at it when it is finished. I don't think she is a femenist in the sence where she thinks woman are better than men, but just equal in different ways which I agree with. However I know that she thinks that alot of people are sexist including the Music Biz which I agree with. Steve T. >From: "Doman, Iruma" >Reply-To: "Doman, Iruma" >To: "'joni@smoe.org'" >Subject: Thesis on Joni Mitchell *** >Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:34:23 -0400 > >Hi everyone! >My name is Immy and i am a new member of the JMDL discussion list. I >joined, >partly because i am a huge Joni Mitchell fan, but also because i am >currently writing my thesis -and it is on Joni!!! >I am a university student in my final year and my thesis is on Joni >Mitchell >and issues of gender. Joni is particularly interesting to look at within >this context, because she embodies so many contradictions and she has had a >complex and interesting relationship with the Feminist movement. I am going >to look at how she is distinctive in expressing/exemplifying a strong woman >(e.g. by breaking new ground in the music industry which, at the time, was >comlitely male dominated; by retaining such a great degree of control over >her career, album covers; by becoming one of the most important women in >rock and one of the most important songer-songwriters in the history of pop >music, etc), but not necessarily in feminist terms. When questioned about >the feminist movement in interviews, Joni has repeatedly stated that she >does not identify with it, because she finds it too 'apartheid' and she >feels it can potentially create a greater rift between the sexes. However, >she is undoubtedly an extremely strong and independent woman and even >considered by some to be a feminist role model. Many of her lyrics are also >open to feminist interpretations. >I am going to look at the ways in which she presents relationships, the >self >etc. I will look at whether all her songs are gendered, and if many are >not, >are they still gendered because of the image she projects? > >At the moment, i am in the research stage and i have a lot of ideas >floating >around, but not much order to them yet. > >The reason i am writing to you all, is that i am really interested in any >feedback you have or ideas/opinions on these topics. ANYTHING that could be >of help would be very much appreciated. e.g. what songs do you think it >would be important for me to look at within this context? Are there any >specific books/articles/interviews/people i should contact that could help >me with my research. (I have already read most of the articles on the JMDL >website, as well as most of the books published on Joni Mitchell. However, >i >don't want to get bogged down with too much background information either, >as the thesis has to be a maximum of 8000 words long, so i have to stay >focused to my argument on the issues of gender.) If anyone wants want to >write to me with any ideas, please e-mail me on idoman@middlebury.edu. >Also, >if anyone is interested in reading a copy of my thisis when it is finished, >please let me know! (although it won't be completed it until April '03!). >I look forward to hearing from you. >Best wishes, >Immy > > >floating around, but not much order to them yet. significant and >influential >female singer-songwriters in the history of _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:04:35 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room In a message dated 07/09/2002 22:52:40 GMT Daylight Time, sprout@eircom.net writes: <> What a great site, Garret - if only there were more of them. Fiona Apple immediately springs to mind, she uses some pretty choice vocab in some of her songs, such as desideratum and rigadoon. And although it's not exactly vocab expansion, Stevie Wonder must get some kind of nod for managing to get the phrase "pharmaceutical extractions" into a song without the use of a shoe horn. Ho hum... Azeem in London NP: Fiona Apple - When The Pawn Hits The Conflicts etc etc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:27:18 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room/Greek Wedding Murphy wrote: > Doesn't the word pachyderm mean "hard skin?" Rhinos and hippos are also > pachyderms. And wasn't this song written for John Guerin, a drummer? And > aren't drums stretched hard skin? Yes, yes, yes! > "Give me any word and I'll tell you how it comes from the Greek." If you > haven't seen "My Big, Fat Greek Wedding" yet -- go! I haven't laughed so hard > since Jonifest. Oh gawd, I saw it last weekend and have never simultaneously laughed and had tears streaming down my face so much at the same time. Absolutely fantastic movie. Afterward I went with a group of friends to the oldest Greek Festival in LA and they had a subtitle on the sign at the entrance "My Big Fat Greek Festival." Opa!! ;-) Kakki NP: Stevie Wonder - Joy Inside My Tears ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:31:00 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: New Orleans Joni Mitchell Tribute Many, many muy congratulations, Michael. I cannot wait to experience that night of music again. Also thanks to the JMDL'ers who participated and helped it all rise way up to the top. Kakki NP: Stevie - If It's Magic ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:46:46 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: A Travelogue! >I think in this case Joni has taken some of her early marker and watercolor works and re-done them in oils with a >full palette and a larger canvass. What a beautiful and apt way to put it, Mark! I have a feeling that she and her collaborators learned a lot from making BSN and this can only be more awesome. I am SO glad the title is not "Swan Song" - jeez - I'd hoped she was joking about that! > But I suppose you could argue that she's 'painting a starry night again, man!' Nawwwwww ;-) Kakki NP: Stevie - Ngicuelela Es Una Historia - I Am Singing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:57:22 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: A Travelogue! > >I think in this case Joni has taken some of her early marker and watercolor > works and re-done them in oils with a >full palette and a larger canvass. > > > > But I suppose you could argue that she's 'painting a starry night again, > man!' > > Nawwwwww ;-) > > I have the same opinion about Phil Lesh and Friends still doing all the classic Dead songs. They sound completely fresh as if they are brand new. They have been given new life. As far as I am concerned, these songs are timeless anyway but I didn't think they were repainting anything. I hope the same thing will be true of Joni's project. Victor Np: nothing yet...I just got back from the grocery - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:10:50 +0100 From: "Amelio Alamo" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Hi Bree, Well, I heard her name a few times and thought she might be the person who originally did 'Big Yellow Taxi'! Then I came accross all her CD's in a record store. I was drawn to them by the art-work and had to buy one. I got 'Hits' to start with. I now have all her albums! I really can't get enough of her music. She is a huge infulence to me. I will never understand why she is so under-rated. Yes it's a shame alot of other people my age aren't into her music. The truth is though; people are too shalow and just go with the crowd! There doesn't seem to be much originality. I can also understand that alot of people might not be able to identify or relate to it. Alot of her music isn't instant either. People are inpatient though because that is part of the magic to her music. Alot of it is timesless. STEVE T. >From: "Bree Mcdonough" >To: amelio747@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room >Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:30:36 -0400 > >Welcome guys!! I'm so glad you guys are here and love joni!! IT makes me >happy to know a young person (teens/twenties) dig her music. WHen ever I >get the opportunity to spread Joni's music....I do it. And I try >especially hard when they are young. I'm convinced if people in your >generation heard her.. she would have tons of new converts. > >I'm working on a nephew(18yrs)who now finds her interesting.(but not a >convert, yet) Right now he is into blues and jazz...and is exploring. I >turned him onto Diana Krall; I took him to see her earlier this >year......(thinks she is hot...awesome!!) but loves her style..voice, too. > >Did you guys post how you were introduced to Joni? If not, I would be >interested to know? > >Bree > > > > >>Welcome, welcome. >>Wow, a Joni Mitchell fan younger than me! >>No, I don't know what it means either and would like to know. >> >>Steve T. >> >> > >>>Hi everybody, >>> >>>I'm 17 years old and a big fan of Joni Mitchell-- especially her more >>>jazz-influenced material. I have a question: In the song "Blue Motel >>>Room"-- >>>which is really stunning-- there's a line "...hanging on your boom, boom >>>pachyderm..." and I have no clue what it means, but would like to know. >>>Can >>>anyone help? Thanks. >>> >>>Anthony >> >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >>http://www.hotmail.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:43:12 -0700 From: "Lori in MD" Subject: Re: Joni Mondegreens (again) Bob wrote: << "Didn't it feel good, we were sittin' here talkin', or lying in a coffin, didn't it feel good" A fairly macabre one, I know...but hey, consider the source! ;~) >> I LIKE that one! I think you should submit it to www.kissthisguy.com ! Lori, who (has mentioned this before, but) for the longest time (until finally reading the lyrics to "The Only Joy In Town") thought the refrain was "butter jelly nut roll" instead of "Botticelli black boy" and whose partner thought Joni sang, "Sharon I left my man at a North Dakota junk shop" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 03:51:07 +0200 From: Christina Friis-Nielsen Subject: a little chat anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:53:46 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #353 In a message dated 9/7/02 3:04:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > >Hi everybody, > > I'm 17 years old and a big fan of Joni Mitchell-- especially her more > jazz-influenced material. I have a question: In the song "Blue Motel > Room"-- > which is really stunning-- there's a line "...hanging on your boom, boom > pachyderm..." and I have no clue what it means, but would like to know. Can > anyone help? Thanks. > > Pardon my crudeness (unusual for me)...drums and dick, get it? Of course you'd have to know she was probably writing about John Guerin, who is drummer. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:27:52 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room >I was drawn to them by the art-work and had to buy one. I got 'Hits' to >start with. This is interesting: Joni would love this... the fact you were drawn to her intially because of her artwork. Whatever gets us there..huh? Because of your young age, I'm guessing you have never seen her in concert? I have not seen her since 1976 (I was five only ;-))...let us hope she makes a few stops promoting this new release. Glad you are here!! Bree >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >>>http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:56:08 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Orleans Joni Mitchell Tribute Thanks Kakki! you are just gonna swoon when you hear this stuff. Love Paz on 9/7/02 3:31 PM, kakki at kakkib@vzavenue.net wrote: > Many, many muy congratulations, Michael. I cannot wait to experience that > night of music again. > > Also thanks to the JMDL'ers who participated and helped it all rise way up > to the top. > > Kakki > > NP: Stevie - If It's Magic ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #258 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)