From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #234 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 15 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 234 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: August 14 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Today's Library Links: August 14 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Re: Joni's album commitment ["Garret" ] BBC E-mail: My Music: McAlmont and Butler SJC [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: BBC E-mail: My Music: McAlmont and Butler SJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's album commitment [Lori in MD ] Joni on WFUV tomorrow ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: Joni on WFUV tomorrow [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. ["Brenda" ] Joni's astrological chart? [Mary Casey ] Re: Joni's astrological chart? [Lori in MD ] Fw: Sales of Joni book to past buyers ["Your Name" ] Re: Fw: Sales of Joni book to past buyers [colin ] Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. [Randy Remote ] FW: Gig this Friday! ["patrick leader" ] New Tribute Album Out Soon, was Re: The News (JM JN JB LH NYC ETC( ["Jim ] Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. ["Brenda" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:06:57 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: August 14 1968: Joni performs at the Shaefer Music Festival at Wollman Rink in Central Park in New York City. She and Arlo Guthrie do two shows, at 8 and 10:30 PM. 1974: Tonight Joni performs the second of five nights in a row at the Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California. The recordings from these five dates end up as the material for the Miles Of Aisles album, released 3 months later. 1979: Joni performs at the Blossom Music Center south of Cleveland, Ohio. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790815abj.cfm
http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790816cpd.cfm
http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790817ts.cfm
http://www.cris.com/~jadato/blossom.htm
2000: Joni attends the DNC Finance Committee's Presidential Dinner hosted by Paramount Studio brass on the lot's Studio 20. Hosting the event for Paramount (attended by President Clinton) were Viacom chairman Sumner Redstone, Viacom Entertainment chief Jonathan Dolgen and studio boss Sherry Lansing. Guests included Jack Valenti, Faith Ford, Noah Wyle and Alfre Woodard. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000816rv.cfm
- ---- For the most complete reference to Joni's appearances, consult the Joni Mitchell Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:06:57 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today's Library Links: August 14 On August 14 the following items were published: 1974: "Mitchell at Pine Knob" - Michigan Daily (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/740814md.cfm 1979: "Joni Mitchell: The Once and Future Singer" - Michigan Free Press (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790814mfp.cfm 1998: "Joni Mitchell Remembers The Time She Never Got To Woodstock" - MTV Website (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980814mtv.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:41:59 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment Lori wrote: >Perhaps it's just Joni's final work under a contract. (As opposed to an independent release.) I've been thinking along these lines too. I went to see Eddi Reader in concert two or three weeks ago. It was a wonderful intimate affair. She described how her last album was produced independently, and she said that all artists should work towards this freedom. She said it actually allowed creativity to reign. Perhaps Joni is bidding farewell to her contract?? Perhaps the next album(s) is her "Swan Song " as an artist tied down to the giant record company (Isn't there a saying about wishes being horses???) (When things don't boil down to Joni, they always come back to Patti Smith). Upon the release of Patti's retrospective, Land 1975-2002, her long standing contract with Arista was up. In the liner notes to the album it seemed as if she was saying goodbye: "Greetings, We enter a new year facing an emptied sky, for, like the Prince of Aquitaine, our towers have fallen. Yet in their wake we trace the tails of comets, the bows of ships and chariots of the turbaned corps dragging their chandeliers. We navigate the sea of human history. Of a time before god and a time when men walked with angels. We tread the earth. We sift through a delirium of debris. We comb the conscience and tresses shimmer their worth. When Brian Jones died, doves spiraled above Hyde Park. When we buried Sadat, a legion of doves flew over Cairo. Whereto shall they now fly? Shall they shed their pure feathers over the rubble of Kabul, of Liberty Street? Or shall they light upon the shoulders of Abdul Hamid and coo peacefully into his young ear. I leave you with these fleeting thoughts and I leave you this work. Disc one- you have chosen for me. Disc two- has been chosen for you. Farewell, friends, I offer my LAND with gratitude." PATTI SMITH January 1, 2002 The last track on disc two was a poem she wrote in 1998 called "Notes To The Future", it takes on some new relevance since september 11th. There is a hidden track then, a bootlegged, rough sounding version of Patti, not in best voice, singing "Tomorrow" from Annie. She has written new songs, and has been touring. It seems that there will be another album. As with Joni, i'm hoping that she has decided on the independent option. GARRET NP- Undertones, Teenage Kicks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:32:08 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: BBC E-mail: My Music: McAlmont and Butler SJC I saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. Bernard Butler (ex Suede guitartist) and David McAlmont are back together with a cinema-scope collection of uber-songs in the 'torch' tradition. In this interview, the singer McAlmont refers to Joni a couple of times. He sounds like a Joni completist. *My Music: McAlmont and Butler* Guitar hero Bernard Butler and soul siren David McAlmont are back - and talk to BBC News Online about their musical tastes. Les (London - a week from now and I'm on my way to the Fest-toonsmiths Collective - yay!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:04:00 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: My Music: McAlmont and Butler SJC > In this interview, the singer McAlmont refers to Joni a > couple of times. He > sounds like a Joni completist. He must be a BIG fan! He's done a very unique and wonderful cover of "Conversation", that is sure to make you move your feet. It was shared on a long-ago volume. Looking forward to seeing you soon, Les! Bob NP: JT, "Golden Moments" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment > Perhaps the next album(s) is her "Swan Song " as an artist tied > down to the giant record company (Isn't there a saying about > wishes being horses???) Joni's certainly been dissatisfied with the big companies, and their thieving ways, for long enough. During her show at Merriweather Post Pavilion in May 2000, Joni implored the songwriters in the crowd not to sell the rights to their songs: "Those rights are your retirement!" I think it would nice if Joni hooked up with an indie label. Even better (imo) would be if she would start her OWN. Lori ~ HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:28:15 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Joni on WFUV tomorrow I just heard that tomorrow on the "under the covers" feature on WFUV they will play various covers of "Woodstock". I immediately thought of a certain jonilister in South Carolina to whom this might be of particular interest. They will do this just after noon (EDT) tomorrow. For those of y'all who like me are nowhere near NYC, listen on the web at wfuv.org. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:17:52 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on WFUV tomorrow > I immediately thought of a certain > jonilister in South Carolina to whom this might be of > particular interest. Hey, I know that guy! ;~) Thanks for the heads up, Sybil...I won't be able to hear it, I don't think...maybe I can bring my headphones in and take my lunch hour when it's on - is it an hour-long show? I don't imagine though that they're going to play anything I haven't already heard...I could play Woodstock covers non-stop for about 4-5 hours. I'm partial to the Godfrey Daniel "doo wop" version & the Dread Zeppelin "Elvis" version, & the Nanaco version, and CSNY do a pretty good version too I do believe! ;~) Bob NP: The Flatlanders, "Julia" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:46:45 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. First, here's a speculation on the commitment. Chances are that His and Misses were counted as two, but Swan Song would be counted as one. H/M are packaged and sold separately at full retail prices; seems likely that the new CD's will be packaged together and sold as a two CD set. Frankly, I'm really surprised that Joni signed a 5 album deal. In her position she could have signed for fewer records if she wanted to. She could even do it one or two records at a time. And she really wouldn't need to fulfill that commitment to end the contract. If the current record is meant to be her last, she can simply stop delivering records after that. Or have her lawyer negotiate her out and request that they treat Swan Song as two, when it would ordinarily be viewed as one. If she was retiring, they would find a way to end it without holding one record over her head. Any desire to license any of her recordings or do any other configurations (box set) would require her approval so it would be in everyone's best interest to have an amicable split. I couldn't disagree more with the idea that Joni should sign with an independent. I don't think an independent can afford her. She would have to significantly step up her participation in promoting her records to offset the lack of budget for advertising and retail marketing, meaning she would have to tour and appear much more than she does now. (Good for us, but can she physically do it? Does she want to?) Also, she would never get the kind of recording or packaging budgets from an independent that she gets from Reprise. If anything her creativity may be stifled because of financial constraints. It certainly isn't being stifled by anyone at the label now. Would anyone at Reprise dare to tell her what kind of record she should make with anything but a suggestive tone (rather than a demanding one) and expect to be listened to? Most people who leave the majors seeking creative freedom have to do so because they have no leverage to get that freedom. Joni has leverage and I'd be stunned if creative control wasn't written into her contracts many years ago. And for as much as she has raged against the machine, she has still participated in it. She made an administration deal for her publishing with Sony in 1997 because she wants the financial benefits of worldwide licensing opportunities for her songs and a global entity to ensure that royalties are paid. Reprise can afford Joni because Warner owns her catalog. So every time they release a record, they have an event to market the catalog again. That's her bread and butter - it leads to more licensing income for her songs. It's very difficult to coordinate a catalog campaign when the dollars for the new release are being spent somewhere else by a different company. The impact is diminished. Warner Music can also offer her something that an independent cannot - worldwide distribution. There's a reason why people like Clapton, Springsteen, JT and Dylan are all still with majors and will remain so. They are internationally recognized music icons. So is Joni. (Also hard to imagine her ego standing for a deal that is perceived to be less than her contemporaries.) And I'd be stunned if Joni is remotely interested in starting her own label. She doesn't even fund her own recordings out of her own pocket. Highly unlikely she wants to foot the bill for marketing them as well. And the only way she can get a deal for a label of her own, where someone else will pay the bills, is if she can take her catalog with her. She owns her publishing, but don't know if she has reversion rights for her masters. As much as she complains about the biz, she hasn't done anything yet to show that she is interested or cares about doing it another way - for herself or for anyone else. B n.p.: Newsworld International - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:36:30 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. > As much as she complains about the biz, she hasn't done anything yet to show that > she is interested or cares about doing it another way - for > herself or for anyone else. Thanks for your "rant", Brenda - your points are well-made and you have forgotten more about the biz than I'll ever know. I guess I'm thinking about Tom Waits & his relationship with Epitaph. They treat him like a king, and because they're smaller he doesn't have to be a major unit-shifter to make a profit for them. He hasn't had to step up touring to support his projects, and he's remained prolific and innovative. And the packaging is creative to boot. You're right about Joni...she's too vain to book a tour of small halls, so she complains about playing in stadiums. She complains about the treatment she gets from the majors but she doesn't seem to want to be a big fish in a small pond either. Bob NP: Will Taylor, "Tigris" (bought it for the 'Black Crow' cover and have enjoyed the whole CD!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:49:59 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. What ever happened to the "dreary little Christmas" album that she was supposed to release? At any rate, I'll never believe that the forthcoming album is truly her "Swan Song" no matter what she says. I have to think another work will have to emerge - eventually ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:17:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. > What ever happened to the "dreary little Christmas" album > that she was > supposed to release? I think that one, as well as the 'rereleased 80's discs with bonus tracks/unreleased songs' was all just smoke & mirrors. Say, that would be a good name for her next live record! ;~) Bob NP: Tears for Fears, "Sowing The Seeds of Love" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:59:49 -0400 From: vince Subject: White Sox fans talk Joni I suppose you've heard/seen Roger Waters' 1990 Wall show in Berlin. Generally, I thought it was a bust. Two standout performances, for me, "Goodbye Blue Sky" by Joni Mitchell and "Comfortably Numb" by Van Morrison. Van mercifully drowned out Waters. Worst moment - Cyndi Lauper trashing "Another Brick in the Wall". That was posted on the Chicago White Sox boards today. White Sox fans are the classiest in baseball. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:16:26 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Joni's astrological chart? Has anyone on the list ever done/seen Joni's chart? Just sitting here working and listening to DJWD and it occurred to me that I am interested in the "map" of Joni. Mary np: Talk to Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Joni's astrological chart? Mary asked: > Has anyone on the list ever done/seen Joni's chart? Lister Shane Mattison found this chart back at the end of July 2001: http://astrozine.astrology.com/stars/reports/jmitchel.html Lori ~ HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:10:12 -0400 From: "Your Name" Subject: Fw: Sales of Joni book to past buyers - ------------- Forwarded message follows ------------- Mendel Art Gallery 950 Spadina Crescent East SASKATOON SK S7L 3L6 (306) 975-7616 (306) 975-7698 orders@mendel.ca www.mendel.ca August 14, 2002 Dear Customer: Some time ago you purchased the Joni Mitchell book, Voices. I would like to thank you again for your support of the exhibition and the Mendel Art Gallery and I hope you enjoyed the book. We have a small number of this limited edition publication left and we thought we would offer you, while quantities last, additional copies of the book at $25.00 each plus $10.00 for shipping. As you know they make great gifts that are hard to find. Again thanks so much for supporting the Mendel Art Gallery. Sincerely, Gilles Hebert Director Mendel Art Gallery 950 Spadina Crescent East SASKATOON SK S7K 3L6 (306) 975-7616 (ph) (306) 975-7698 (fax) orders@mendel.ca www.mendel.ca - -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com Mendel Art Gallery950 Spadina Crescent EastSASKATOON SK S7L 3L6(306) 975-7616 (306) 975-7698orders@mendel.cawww.mendel.ca August 14, 2002 Dear Customer: Some time ago you purchased the Joni Mitchell book, Voices. I would like to thank you again for your support of the exhibition and the Mendel Art Gallery and I hope you enjoyed the book. We have a small number of this limited edition publication left and we thought we would offer you, while quantities last, additional copies of the book at $25.00 each plus $10.00 for shipping. As you know they make great gifts that are hard to find. Again thanks so much for supporting the Mendel Art Gallery. Sincerely, Gilles HebertDirectorMendel Art Gallery950 Spadina Crescent EastSASKATOON SK S7K 3L6(306) 975-7616 (ph) (306) 975-7698 (fax)orders@mendel.cawww.mendel.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:23:52 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Fw: Sales of Joni book to past buyers > We have a small number of this limited edition publication left and we > thought we would offer you, while quantities last, additional copies > of the book at $25.00 each plus $10.00 for shipping. As you know they > make great gifts that are hard to find. > obviously not that hard to find if they are 'on sale'!!! I think they meant customers have been hard to find...... - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80,Creation 6 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:18:59 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. Brenda wrote: > > Joni has leverage and I'd be > stunned if creative control wasn't written into her contracts many years ago. With her first album, I believe. > She > doesn't even fund her own recordings out of her own pocket. I think she said she did fund her last recording. And presumably sold/licenced the masters to Reprise. I agree she would not want to use her own funds to "stoke the star-maker machinery". Reprise paid for the orchestras, promotion, etc for her last tour/CD. I doubt if they broke even, at least on album sales. > Highly unlikely she > wants to foot the bill for marketing them as well. > As much as she complains about the biz, she hasn't done anything yet to show that > she is interested or cares about doing it another way - for herself or for anyone else. She was a founding member of the Artists Rights Coalition or whatever it's called. Whether she has done anything other than lend her name to the cause, I don't know. She wasn't part of the big Grammy concerts and hasn't testified in DC that I know of. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:44:06 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: joni painting book for sale >Some time ago you purchased the Joni Mitchell book, Voices. I would >like to thank you again for your support of the exhibition and the >Mendel Art Gallery and I hope you enjoyed the book. > i have to say, this book is a treasured possession of mine, and i'd highly recommend that anyone who likes the visual aspect of joni's album packaging and hasn't bought this, buy it. if not, you're missing something really wonderful. we've had some spirited debates about the quality of joni's visual art on this list. which i've loved. the work looks great in reproduction. grab it, if you haven't, and treat yourself. i like the idea of buying it directly from the gallery and rewarding the folks who went out on a limb. Mendel Art Gallery 950 Spadina Crescent East SASKATOON SK S7L 3L6 (306) 975-7616 (306) 975-7698 orders@mendel.ca www.mendel.ca patrick np - me'shell - cookie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:48:18 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: FW: Gig this Friday! hi folks: i apologize if kay already sent this to the list. i'm definitely down there, with my sister and a friend. kay usually plays at least one joni song on these gigs. i think she goes on first, so maybe we could have a little mini-prenextweek-jonifest. the baggot inn is not far from tanti baci, where there's been many a jonigather since joni herself had a birthday party there. plenty of other nice places, esp with outdoor cafis, in the nabe. see you there? gig this Friday: friday, august 16 7PM the baggot inn 82 west third street new york, ny 212-477-0622 $5 Hope to see some of you there... come on down for some music, air conditioning, and nice bartenders... :-) Kay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: New Tribute Album Out Soon, was Re: The News (JM JN JB LH NYC ETC( Congratulations, Michael! Your perserverance is amazing. It's a feel-good project for everyone especially for Honduran burn patients who will be able to get on with LIFE! If I'm allow to be proud of a complete stranger, I am. Lama Well, not a _complete_ stranger. - --- Michael Paz wrote > I have solved the legal and > financial issues which have > been delaying this release (I won't bore you with > the details). HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:17:36 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. On 14 Aug 2002 at 14:36, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I guess I'm thinking about Tom Waits & his relationship with Epitaph. > They treat him like a king, and because they're smaller he doesn't > have to be a major unit-shifter to make a profit for them. He hasn't > had to step up touring to support his projects, and he's remained > prolific and innovative. And the packaging is creative to boot. > It think it's hard to compare the two. Even though his touring didn't change, he has maintained his visibility with his acting, scoring films, contributing songs for soundtracks, etc. (The visibility from Dead Man Walking certainly helped with the setup of Mule Variations.) He turns up at shows and joins people on stage unannounced. How many times has Joni done that in recent memory? He played a show at SXSW (new music/industry conference in Austin). He turns up at industry events and he plays benefits. It seems unlikely that Joni would do that. As far as making a profit for them, he's got to sell whatever it takes to cover their costs. If they spend more on packaging, they've got to sell to cover that. Could be that he turns in everything finished - the record and the art and has a more favorable royalty rate because of it. More artists at majors and independents are doing that these days. I'd bet his recording budgets and advances over the last 10 years have been a lot smaller than Joni's, so it's easier for him to make that transition. Brenda n.p.: Incognito - "Sunburn" - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:14:37 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: FW: Sales of Joni book to past buyers Got this from the Mendel if anyone is interested. Love Paz Mendel Art Gallery 950 Spadina Crescent East SASKATOON SK S7L 3L6 (306) 975-7616 (306) 975-7698 orders@mendel.ca www.mendel.ca August 14, 2002 Dear Customer: Some time ago you purchased the Joni Mitchell book, Voices. I would like to thank you again for your support of the exhibition and the Mendel Art Gallery and I hope you enjoyed the book. We have a small number of this limited edition publication left and we thought we would offer you, while quantities last, additional copies of the book at $25.00 each plus $10.00 for shipping. As you know they make great gifts that are hard to find. Again thanks so much for supporting the Mendel Art Gallery. Sincerely, Gilles Hebert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:19:45 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Tribute Album Out Soon, was Re: The News (JM JN JB LH NYC ETC( Thanks Jim! LOL I think Love Paz on 8/14/02 9:01 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu at jlamadoo@yahoo.com wrote: > Congratulations, Michael! Your perserverance is > amazing. It's a feel-good project for everyone > especially for Honduran burn patients who will be able > to get on with LIFE! > > If I'm allow to be proud of a complete stranger, I am. > > Lama > > Well, not a _complete_ stranger. > > > > --- Michael Paz > wrote >> I have solved the legal and >> financial issues which have >> been delaying this release (I won't bore you with >> the details). > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:18:17 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. My opinion is that she could easily go to her roots and record and album of piano and guitar songs and release it on her own label and own the whole thing so that all she has to do is set up Les and Jim to be her personal distribution and license it out to someone like Ryko to help move it. Many artists are going this way and enjoying much more of the profits and less of the label aggravation. She could produce a new record and packaging without the help on anyone for very little of her own cost. Just a thought Paz on 8/14/02 8:18 PM, Randy Remote at guitarzan@direcpc.com wrote: > Brenda wrote: > >> >> Joni has leverage and I'd be >> stunned if creative control wasn't written into her contracts many years ago. > > With her first album, I believe. > >> She >> doesn't even fund her own recordings out of her own pocket. > > I think she said she did fund her last recording. And presumably > sold/licenced the masters to Reprise. I agree she would not want to > use her own funds to "stoke the star-maker machinery". Reprise paid > for the orchestras, promotion, etc for her last tour/CD. I doubt if they > broke even, at least on album sales. > >> Highly unlikely she >> wants to foot the bill for marketing them as well. > >> As much as she complains about the biz, she hasn't done anything yet to show >> that >> she is interested or cares about doing it another way - for herself or for >> anyone else. > > She was a founding member of the Artists Rights Coalition or whatever > it's called. Whether she has done anything other than lend her name to > the cause, I don't know. She wasn't part of the big Grammy concerts and > hasn't testified in DC that I know of. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:40:05 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Joni References... Hey, Bob [copy to the list], I forgot to mention to you that I'd found a couple of definite Joni references in Rick Moody's "Demonology" (collection of short stories), and a possible one in Stephen McCauley's "True Enough" (a reference to "[autumn's] urge for going"), although he doesn't mention her specifically. I figure you may have already logged these, since they're both fairly "hot" writers, but in case not, let me know, and I'll send the specifics. Do you know: Did Joni coin the term "urge for going", or her use a reference to some piece of poetry or prose that I'm not familiar with? hugs again and see you soon, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:44:09 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment, independents, etc. On 15 Aug 2002 at 1:18, Michael Paz wrote: > My opinion is that she could easily go to her roots and record and > album of piano and guitar songs and release it on her own label and > own the whole thing so that all she has to do is set up Les and Jim to > be her personal distribution and license it out to someone like Ryko > to help move it. Many artists are going this way and enjoying much > more of the profits and less of the label aggravation. She could > produce a new record and packaging without the help on anyone for very > little of her own cost. > > Just a thought I agree. She absolutely could. So could Dylan, JT and Springsteen. There's a reason why they don't. One of those reasons is likely to be worlwide distribution. She could also do what Van Morrison has done the last few years. He makes the records he wants and then takes them to whatever label he thinks can do the best with it because it may fit a particular genre. He makes very short term licensing deals and he owns it all. It would be something to see her do that. It just doesn't seem likely that she would. Brenda n.p.: Galliano - "Cold Wind" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:13:33 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Joni's album commitment On 14 Aug 2002 at 18:18, Randy Remote wrote: > I think she said she did fund her last recording. And presumably > sold/licenced the masters to Reprise. I agree she would not want to > use her own funds to "stoke the star-maker machinery". Reprise paid > for the orchestras, promotion, etc for her last tour/CD. I doubt if > they broke even, at least on album sales. If that's the case, then she's funding all of the albums under the deal or at least she will fund all since that one. They would have renegotiated that if it wasn't in the original contract. It may also be that she paid the overages herself, meaning anything that was beyond what was in her contract for that stage of the deal. (I wonder if it was 5 albums. If Hits & Misses were the first, then there have been four.) > > As much as she complains about the biz, she hasn't done anything yet > > to show that she is interested or cares about doing it another way - > > for herself or for anyone else. > > She was a founding member of the Artists Rights Coalition or whatever > it's called. Whether she has done anything other than lend her name to > the cause, I don't know. She wasn't part of the big Grammy concerts > and hasn't testified in DC that I know of. RR It's called the Recording Artists Coalition and Joni was not a founding member. It was founded by Don Henley and Sheryl Crow. Maybe Joni was a member of Artists Against Piracy that was founded and run by Noah Stone (Ron Stone's son). The two organizations merged last year. If she was a member of AAP she wasn't very visible. And if she's a member now of RAC, she doesn't seem to have an interest in publicizing it. http://www.recordingartistscoalition.com/artists.html Brenda n.p.: Wes Montgomery - "Con Alma" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #234 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)