From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #218 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, July 30 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 218 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and Jewel ["J. G." ] RE: JMDL Digest V2002 #304 ["Kate Bennett" ] Terrorism In America [Nnamani Ugu ] Re: Terrorism In America [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: Roberta J Anderson...what's in a name ["Garret" ] Joni in literature [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: TV guide from near future ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [Mags N Brei ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [Mary Casey ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? ["mack watson-bush" ] The Tension Mounts...On With the Body Count! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Siquomb, isn't she? ["patrick leader" ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [Mary Casey ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:33:40 -0700 From: "J. G." Subject: Re: Joni and Jewel Actually, I do recall Joni being less than kind about Jewel. There was a Saturday Night Live cartoon short a few years ago that I thought was really funny. Here's a horribly condensed version: Jewel reads poetry to wild animals, who get bored and attack her. Joni comes out and sings Big Yellow Taxi, making all the animals happy. Joni admitted in print that a friend described it to her and she found it very funny. She said something like, "I shouldn't laugh, but her lyrics are so insipid..." _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:31:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2002 #304 it's a small world after all...amilia & i did a house concert together (the one that was broadcast on npr but they failed to mention either of us by name...) this was the evening before we flew to nyc to do the show in feb at the living room... i agree, amilia is very talented & ... is this not a very small world? >>Paz just emailed me having trouble finding the archive of Gregg's show. I had some trouble too, but I finally found it. For anyone who missed it, it's here... Enjoy the show! Oh, btw Amelia Spicer opens for him. Very talented as well.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 03:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Nnamani Ugu Subject: Terrorism In America The problem of terrorism in the world and America in particular has become very endemic.The September 11,2002 terrorist attack on the WTC was a herror and Americans will continue to live with that nightmare for a long time to come. Incidentally, they should also reflect on the daily bombing and destructions going on in the Middle East. There nobody dreams of peace. Nobody sleeps with even one eye closed.American Government has the key to the solution.And I will say why later. Ugu Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:38:40 EDT From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Terrorism In America Thanks for your message. Can you explain why you are disseminating this information on the Joni Mitchell Discussion list, which is devoted to the music of Joni Mitchell? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:14:50 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Roberta J Anderson...what's in a name Bob wrote: >I don't know for sure, but I speculate that she's always been referred to as >Joan or Joni. In articles where her childhood friends talk about her as a >child, you never hear them refer to her as Roberta. Sometimes parents will >give a child a family name, or a more formal first name, and then refer to >them by a middle name or something else altogether. perhaps im a bit late jumping in here, Joni has often told stories in her concers about friends reffering to her as Joan or Joni. Bob could be right. Doesn't Joni have some Irish blood? My first name is really Liam (says so on the birthcert and passport!), but have never ever been called that. Garret is my middle name. My parents had wanted to call me Dylan (after Bob believe it or not) and decided then to call me Garret (after a politican) at the last minute. The priest didn't like the name and wouldn't let them (he was probably anti Fine Gael; but then so were my parents and still are 21 years later), citing the fact that it isn't a saints name. He conceded to allow them call me Liam Garret as liam sounds more Irish and is my fathers name:) Furthermore, a friend of mine, Rory, is actually Cormac Rory; Anto is actually Paul Anthony (he was called Paul Anthony until his late teenage years when he began to object); Trish is really Mary Patricia; Noely is really Peter Noel. So there you have it, in Ireland we tend to use middle names quite commonly (and when parents get very serious they always use the double barrell "Louise Mary" etc.) GARRET ps- *when* i publish a book my pen name is Liam Martin (martin being my mothers maiden name: ) np- Eddi Reader "patience of angels"- saw her live last week here in Dublin and am utterly converted; she's wonderful. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:54:00 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Joni in literature I was pleasantly surprised to come across a Joni mention when I picked up a book by Carl Hiaasen for summer reading. The book is "Lucky You." The protagonist is explaining why she wants to use her lottery winnings to purchase a 40 acre parcel of virgin land. She says that developers want to buy the land to build "a shopping center and a parking lot, just like in the Joni Mitchell song." Most likely a reference to BYT. I was further pleased this weekend when I was in a wine store and heard, faintly, Joni's voice coming over the loudspeaker. She was singing a song I am unfamiliar with - it sounded like a musical cousin to "The Only Joy in Town." I figure it must be from TI, since I have not bought that or heard the entire CD at this point. I probably will buy it now, because this song sounded beautiful. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:21:19 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: TV guide from near future To Be Anizzounced is worth the price of admission >From: Murphycopy@aol.com >Reply-To: Murphycopy@aol.com >To: jgyn@muse.sfusd.edu|jan, jgyn@muse.sfusd.edu (gyn), joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: TV guide from near future >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:40:31 - -0400 > >I usually don't think the Onion is very good, but this is laugh-out-loud funny. I especially liked "The Joan Osbornes" on VH1, "Up Wit' Yer Kippers" on PBS, and "Black Weather Report" on BET. > >--Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:42:27 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: "The Definitive Biography" reissued with new content Joniphiles - I just received this press release about the second printing of Karen O'Brien's book. Les - ----------------------- Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light The Definitive Biography By Karen OBrien Fully updated and published on 5th September 2002, priced: #9.99 Uncompromising and iconoclastic, Joni Mitchell confounded expectations at every turn. Restlessly innovative her music evolved from deeply-personal folk stylings into pop, jazz, avant-garde and even world music. Mitchell is one of the worlds most influential recording artists, and a role model for a generation of singer/songwriters from Sheryl Crow and Elvis Costello to Beck and David Gray. Intelligently told and with an unrivalled degree of access, Shadows and Light is the story of a true rock n roll icon. Canadian-born Joni Mitchell began her career as a folk singer/songwriter in the mid-1960s. Championed by the Byrds David Crosby, she quickly threw herself into the Bohemian scene in New York and later Los Angeles. Her musical reputation grew steadily, and in the late sixties and early seventies she enjoyed international success with songs including Chelsea Morning and Big Yellow Taxi, and critically acclaimed albums including the landmark Blue and the jazz-influenced Court and Spark and The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Mitchell has continued to produce both highly-regarded and adventurous music throughout the 70s, 80s, 90s and into the new century, and her musical creativity has been matched by her passion for the visual arts. Her idiosyncratic paintings and photography have been exhibited to acclaim in Canada, the United States, Japan and the UK. This definitive biography includes first hand interviews with those closest to her: friends, musicians, critics and radio DJs, including Suzanne Vega, Larry Klein, Graham Nash, Tom Rush, Elliot Roberts and Richard Thompson. Covering Mitchells visual art as well as her music, the book includes fascinating previously unpublished correspondence between Mitchell and modernist painter Georgia OKeeffe. Published to critical acclaim in October 2001, Shadows and Light has been fully updated and includes new interviews with Jonis first husband, Chuck, as well as Jonis creative reaction to the events of September 11th. Broad in scope and full of detail, this is the remarkable story of the life and loves of an extraordinary and complex artist. Karen OBrien is a music journalist and a BBC World Service radio news editor who has also written and broadcast widely on the arts. Karens previous book, Hymn to Her, a collection of writings on women musicians was published by Virago in 1995. She is a New Zealander by birth and Londoner by choice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:46:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "The Definitive Biography" reissued with new content > I just received this press release about the second > printing of Karen > O'Brien's book. So does this mean it'll be on sale in the States? Bob, a happy procrastinator NP: Brooooce, "Light Of Day" 3/10/00 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:19:16 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Siquomb, isn't she? I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you seem like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each other. That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? Welcome to our Joni family, Mary. I will stand aside, like my southern bro Bob, and let someone else explain Siquomb to you. You are right about us being a friendly group who respect one another. Special friendships and the love of a life time have grown from this very place, all around the world. tell us a little about yourself when you are ready :-) Mags, in South Jersey with her honeyboi Brei (also a list member) np: Dave Carter and Tracy Grammar from the Tanglewood Tree G-d rest his soul, 49 is just so young to part this earth :-( on Philly NPR 88.5 / world cafe exquisite harmonies - --- Mary Casey wrote: > I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. > Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you > seem > like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each > other. > That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. > Mary ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:27:06 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? Well...for gosh sakes since you and Bob are shy...I will explain what it means then. It means.."She plays the accordion in lederhosen" Mags N Brei wrote: > > Welcome to our Joni family, Mary. I will stand aside, like my southern > bro Bob, and let someone else explain Siquomb to you. You are right > about us being a friendly group who respect one another. Special > friendships and the love of a life time have grown from this very > place, all around the world. > > tell us a little about yourself when you are ready :-) > > Mags, in South Jersey with her honeyboi Brei (also a list member) > > np: Dave Carter and Tracy Grammar > from the Tanglewood Tree > > G-d rest his soul, 49 is just so young to part this earth :-( > on Philly NPR 88.5 / world cafe > > exquisite harmonies > > --- Mary Casey wrote: > > I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. > > Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you > > seem > > like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each > > other. > > That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. > > Mary > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:31:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? > It means.."She plays the accordion in lederhosen" LOL! Pay her no mind, Mary...too much accordion has affected her brain! :~) Anyway, the acronym is really "She is queen undisputedly of mind beauty", comes from a mythology that Joni invented early on, involving the Mosall and The Posalm and such. She was a fan of Tolkien's "Ring" trilogy, and I guess it inspired her to create fantasy races of beings. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? In your case, Sharon, it means "She is queen undeniably of many bees" lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:15:12 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Joni in literature Hey Ruth! Good spot on the Joni reference. Bob, you have this one already??? If not, one more for the database! Also, any guesses to what song Ruth might have heard that is similar to The Only Joy in Town? I am thinking Harlem in Havana. Of course, there is no right answer since Ruth herself isn't sure, but still, there have to be better guesses than mine! Sue n.p. Bruce "The Boss" - Brilliant Disguise - -- Engwall57 wrote: > heard, faintly, Joni's voice coming over the loudspeaker. - it sounded like a musical cousin to "The Only Joy in Town." I figure it must be from TI, since I have not bought that or heard the entire CD at this point. ->Ruth > _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:36:26 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? Thank you for the welcome, you folks are friendly. A little about myself, eh? I am a graphic designer in Sacramento, California. I have lived in the area my whole life, which will be 40 years in a couple of months. The last 10 of those years have been spent with my partner, Sharon. We share our home with Luna, a wonderful Labrador. I love creativity in various forms. I dabble in guitar playing, writing, gardening and art. I am inspired by music. Much of the most meaningful and moving music I have experienced has been created by (no surprise) Joni Mitchell. I don't know much about Joni, although I am getting ready to read Shadows and Light as soon as I finish my current book (which is Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West, an excellent read if anyone is interested. It is the story of Oz told from her perspective and deals with the politics of Oz and other fascinating concepts). I have 16 of her CDs (Joni's, not the Wicked Witch) and am not sure how much I am missing out on by not "having everything". I have had the pleasure of seeing Joni in concert twice in recent years. Once with Bob and Van and the other time on the Both Sides Now tour. I hope to have more opportunities in the future Other musical artists currently in frequent rotation for me are: Neil Finn, Meshell Ndegeocello, Rickee Lee Jones, Lucinda Williams, Janis Ian, David Gray. I am always interested in learning of new singer/songwriter music that awakens my spirit. Are the rumors of a new Joni CD true? Anyway, enough about me... how do I find out more about all of you? Mary Mags N Brei wrote: > Welcome to our Joni family, Mary. I will stand aside, like my southern > bro Bob, and let someone else explain Siquomb to you. You are right > about us being a friendly group who respect one another. Special > friendships and the love of a life time have grown from this very > place, all around the world. > > tell us a little about yourself when you are ready :-) > > Mags, in South Jersey with her honeyboi Brei (also a list member) > > np: Dave Carter and Tracy Grammar > from the Tanglewood Tree > > G-d rest his soul, 49 is just so young to part this earth :-( > on Philly NPR 88.5 / world cafe > > exquisite harmonies > > --- Mary Casey wrote: > > I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. > > Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you > > seem > > like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each > > other. > > That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. > > Mary > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:01:43 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? welcome mary. Great to have you here. I am glad you asked that question because I have seen that word referred to often here but never kenw what it meant. Mack > I am new to the list and am wondering what Siquomb, isn't she? means. > Will someone please enlighten me? I would also like to say that you seem > like a very friendly group of people with much respect for each other. > That is refreshing on this type of forum. Thank you. > Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:42:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The Tension Mounts...On With the Body Count! #998 Micki Esselstyn, "Both Sides Now", from her International best-seller "Micki Esselstyn Sings"...this poor person looks like one of the Kids In The Hall in drag: http://www.esselstyn.com/mickinews/cd.html Bob NP: Bruce Cockburn, "Down To The Delta" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:26:45 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Siquomb, isn't she? welcome, mary, and thanks for the bio. i lived in sacramento for many years (77-80, 82-86) and always loved it. first fell in love there, danced for jazzworks (now dale scholl dancearts) capitol city ballet (now defunct) even performed at music circus. went to sac state for, like, nine years! Neil >Finn, Meshell Ndegeocello, Rickee Lee Jones, Lucinda Williams, Janis Ian, >David Gray. i love your musical co-travellers. every one of these folks has bunches of fans here. i think me'shell and rickie lee are perhaps the biggest favs, here, from your list. >sure how much I am missing out on by not "having everything". i'm now a huge 'completist' and wouldn't be without a single second of joni, but the early eighties albums were definitely uneven. however, if you haven't bought night ride home and turbulent indigo, you are in for a huge treat. I have had >the pleasure of seeing Joni in concert twice in recent years. Once with >Bob and Van and the other time on the Both Sides Now tour. many many of us saw both of these tours too. you may enjoy reading the concert reviews on jonimitchell.com. >Are the rumors of a new Joni CD true? absolutely, and apparently it's in the can. no release date announced. if you remember the bsn tour, after they had played the album through, she did five additional songs with orchestra arrangements. that's the basis of the new album, more joni originals in new arrangements. i'm extremely excited. 'hejira' and 'for the roses' and 'moon at the window' were particularly amazing in that tour (i saw two shows.) i think we've actually heard of a tracklist (maybe posted here at some point). there's also a major cover album that i think was finished a long time ago and for some reason it hasn't been released. includes annie lennox' version of 'ladies of the canyon' and sarah maclachlan's 'blue', and a bunch of covers by some big folks. (k.d. lang covering 'help me', like she did on the tnt tribute a couple of years back.) it is a great list. i've been on for (wow, i think it's five years next month) and there are things called jonifests, gatherings of people from all over creation, first one in '98, and i've been to most of them. craziness, but wonderful craziness. we've had some difficult times on the list, but mostly good. and new people always make it more interesting, and usually better. much joni, patrick np - (now playing) - fauri - requiem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:54:01 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? patrick leader wrote: > welcome, mary, and thanks for the bio. i lived in sacramento for many years > (77-80, 82-86) and always loved it. first fell in love there, danced for > jazzworks (now dale scholl dancearts) capitol city ballet (now defunct) even > performed at music circus. went to sac state for, like, nine years! > > i'm now a huge 'completist' and wouldn't be without a single second of joni, > but the early eighties albums were definitely uneven. however, if you > haven't bought night ride home and turbulent indigo, you are in for a huge > treat. > > absolutely, and apparently it's in the can. no release date announced. if > you remember the bsn tour, after they had played the album through, she did > five additional songs with orchestra arrangements. that's the basis of the > new album, more joni originals in new arrangements. i'm extremely excited. > 'hejira' and 'for the roses' and 'moon at the window' were particularly > amazing in that tour (i saw two shows.) i think we've actually heard of a > tracklist (maybe posted here at some point). there's also a major cover > album that i think was finished a long time ago and for some reason it > hasn't been released. includes annie lennox' version of 'ladies of the > canyon' and sarah maclachlan's 'blue', and a bunch of covers by some big > folks. (k.d. lang covering 'help me', like she did on the tnt tribute a > couple of years back.) > Hi Patrick, Where do you live now? Are you still dancing? I live really close to Sac State. Small world, eh? The new cd(s) sound great. I hope there is a tour. About the early 80's albums: I have Wild Things Run Fast and Dog Eat Dog. (Are there more early 80's?) The way I think of it, music is a reflection of the times, and the early 80's were actually pretty "uneven" : ) I do have Night Ride Home and Turbulent Indigo. I enjoy them both very much. NRH in particular holds fond memories for me. I have a hard time picking a "favorite" anything (I am a Libra if that means anything to you) but I have to say I am VERY partial to Hejira and Hissing of Summer Lawns. Blue goes without saying, doesn't it? Anyway... thank you for the response. I look forward to getting to know everyone better. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:06:23 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? She IS Queen Understandibly of Music Beauty on 7/29/02 1:36 PM, anne@sandstrom.com at anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > In your case, Sharon, it means "She is queen undeniably > of many bees" > > lots of love > Anne ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #218 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)