From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #213 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 25 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 213 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: July 24 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] old gold ["Marianne Rizzo" ] re: Momento Mori, and my little pig [ZZScotty@aol.com] hejira ["Marianne Rizzo" ] clouds album covers ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Oh je pouvoir boire un cas vous... cheri [Gordon Mackie ] Joni ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Momento Mori, and my little pig ["gene mock" ] Re: DJRD and NRH and especially TGR, some memories [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: DJRD and NRH and especially TGR, some memories [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:A new discovery in Joni studies [Bob Shemkovitz ] Re: old gold ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Momento Mori, and my little pig ["mack watson-bush" ] Memento Nuri [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Julia in Chicago (SJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:08:50 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: July 24 1969: Joni performs with Tim Hardin at the Schaefer Music Festival, held at Wollman Rink in New York City's Central Park. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690725nyt.cfm [Source: New York Times; July 25, 1969] 1983: Joni performs at the Jones Beach Theater in Wantaugh, New York [Source: Good Times, June 7, 1983] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:31:50 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: old gold - - --- Gordon Mackie wrote: >Hi JMDlers. > >I think you clever people have it all wrong with the >O.G. My suggestions are:- > >- Our Godess > >- Onomatopoeic (or should that be onomatopoetic) >Genius > >- Outasite Girl > >- Once Graham's > O.G. As soon as I heard this, I thought of "Old Gold". . . which was the first cigarette I ever smoked (I was 13 and we hid behind the laundromat building, after school) :) Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:37:12 EDT From: ZZScotty@aol.com Subject: re: Momento Mori, and my little pig Nuriel, your post was the last on this morning's digest. "Dearest Friends, Though one wishes to repress and deny it, we shall all one day vanish into the great unknown, and I strongly believe that one should prepare for one's final rites just as one prepares for one's wedding. So - Which Joni song would you choose to be played in your funeral? Love, Nuriel" I wasn't going to share this, but I will anyway. I tend not to share much with folks from this list, although I feel very much a part of it. Yesterday, my little friend, Odie, a beautiful long-haired guinea pig, died. He was a delightful little fella, and I will miss him so much. I was looking for lyrics suitable for him, but broke down crying with Man From Mars. But anyway, I dedicate this to Odie, a song sung by Joni from Taming The Tiger: My Best To You So here's to you May your dreams come true May old father time Never be unkind And through the years Save your smiles and your tears They're just souvenirs They'll make music in your heart Remember this Each new day is a kiss Sent from up above With an angel's love So here's to you May your skies be blue And your love blessed That's my best to you Remember this Each new day is a kiss Sent from up above With an angel's love So here's to you May your skies be blue And your love blessed That's my best to you Thank you Odie, for being part of my life, and thank you list members for allowing me to share this with you. And to Joni, for helping me through many hard times. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:41:50 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: hejira "I'm travelling in some vehicle. . ." i.e. my body _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:03:15 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: clouds album covers Hi everyone, I am looking for about 5 Clouds album covers in very good condition to possibly purchase from anyone that may be able to part with them. I don't need the album itself. There is this framing type process called "plak-it" where you can have images mounted (very affordable) and the pictures become as durable as formica (did I spell that right?). (You probably wouldn't want to do this with original work) Well anyway, I have wanted to see the 3 clouds albums together in a vertical row to hang on my wall. I wanted to make two of these. I have some Clouds album covers now, but only one is in very good condition. So if you run across an extra one please, if you would, email me. Thanks, Marianne "Can we help you find the peace and the star Oh my friend. Also! H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y Susan Guzzi on July 25 (same as my grandmother, Marianna Emanuel, 1897) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:38:41 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Oh je pouvoir boire un cas vous... cheri Nuriel's fabulous translations had me in stitches....thanks for the best laugh in a long time. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:12:23 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Joni mention August's edition of ROSIE the magazine has this in the letters to Rosie column... Dear Rosie, How much can a girl take? My husband asks for a divorce, and Rosie retires from her show. I'm not sure which upsets me more. Thank goodness the June issue of ROSIE arrived today. Rosie's response: Dear reader, Had I known your hubby was going, I would have stayed. I am sending you a few Joni Mitchell CDs - you can't break up without them. ********Happy fecking birthday SUSAN G.!!!!******** That's all from here for now, Suze n.p. neighbor dog barking this irritating, sweaking yelp. God I love cats :-) _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:10:34 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Joni I was searching e-bay this AM...yeah...checking out Joni stuff and there are some nice things listed. I noticed too,that there are Clouds LP's that seemed to be in pretty nice condidtion/ Oh this caught my eye: Joni Mitchell "For The Roses" LP W/*nude* photo. Seems there were an inordinate amount hits with this one. (sex sells everything..... Bree (who'd like to buy you everthing) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:31:10 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni > Oh this caught my eye: Joni > Mitchell "For The Roses" LP W/*nude* photo. Seems there > were an inordinate > amount hits with this one. (sex sells everything..... What's funnier still is that more often than not it's called a "RARE NUDE COVER" like it's some kind of collector's item or something. Now if someone had an FTR with a CLOTHED Joni...THAT would be a rarity. One thing you can be sure of on E-Bay...if it's called "rare" - it's usually not! ;~) Bob NP: Bruce, "Jungleland" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:41:04 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Momento Mori, and my little pig thanks sean, animals are such wonderful companions. they ask little but give much---------we could learn so much from them. take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Nuriel Tobias" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:37 AM Subject: re: Momento Mori, and my little pig > Nuriel, your post was the last on this morning's digest. > > "Dearest Friends, > > Though one wishes to repress and deny it, we shall all one day vanish into > the great unknown, and I strongly believe that one should prepare for one's > final rites just as one prepares for one's wedding. > > So - Which Joni song would you choose to be played in your funeral? > > Love, > > Nuriel" > > > I wasn't going to share this, but I will anyway. I tend not to share much > with folks from this list, although I feel very much a part of it. > > Yesterday, my little friend, Odie, a beautiful long-haired guinea pig, died. > He was a delightful little fella, and I will miss him so much. > > I was looking for lyrics suitable for him, but broke down crying with Man > >From Mars. But anyway, I dedicate this to Odie, a song sung by Joni from > Taming The Tiger: > > My Best To You > > So here's to you > May your dreams come true > May old father time > Never be unkind > And through the years > Save your smiles and your tears > They're just souvenirs > They'll make music in your heart > Remember this > Each new day is a kiss > Sent from up above > With an angel's love > So here's to you > May your skies be blue > And your love blessed > That's my best to you > > Remember this > Each new day is a kiss > Sent from up above > With an angel's love > So here's to you > May your skies be blue > And your love blessed > That's my best to you > > Thank you Odie, for being part of my life, and thank you list members for > allowing me to share this with you. And to Joni, for helping me through many > hard times. > > Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:46:50 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD and NRH and especially TGR, some memories In a message dated 7/16/02 12:02:57 AM, Erica wrote: << hey all, I just got DJRD and NRH....I wish to receive any and all comments, advice, warnings, and joyus remarks about listening to one or both of these. I know I know, it's a long time coming to add these 2 to the ol' collection, that's just the way it goes. Thanks for your knowledge! Erica >> Hi, Erica, Those are two of my favorite albums. I remember when I got together with my first long-term main squeeze in '78, DJRD was still her "current" album and I still couldn't plkay enough of it. He frowned the first time he heard the beginning of Overture/Cotton Avenue and said "Sheesh. Sounds like Italian science fiction movie music." I had to laugh. But it's still one of my favorites -- interesting sounds, mixes her unique guitar "travelling music" sound of Hejira with the jazzy experimentation of HOSL and (later to come) Mingus. At the time, it was a double LP: Side one had the first three cuts, ending with my all-timer favorite Joni song, Jericho (although i think i like the live version on MOA better); side two was Paprika Plains; side three had Otis & Marlena, then Tenth World blending into Dreamland (which is one of the few songs from that album that Joni still tends to perform; it's all right, but i think there are better from the album); and the fourth side had DJRD, which seems a lot like a companion song to Coyote to me (both songs talk about duality, but in DJ the duality is within one person), Off-Night Backstreet, one of the best jealousy songs I've ever heard by *anyone*, I love how it *seethes*, and the lovely Silky Veils of Ardor (I love "We'll have to row a little harder..."). I also love NRH. My then lover and I used to drive frequently from San Francisco to Reno, where i had friends we would stay with; we'd take turns picking CDs to play, and I remember Cocteau Twins' Heaven Or Las Vegas was one of my choices (Chris would crack me up trying to force logical lyrics into the Twins' stream-of-consciousness phrases), and another was NRH. Chris particularly loved Come In From the Cold, The Only Joy in Town, and Two Grey Rooms. Chris never caught on to the melancholia of the words to Two Grey Rooms (I think since the first few words were "Tomorrow is Sunday..." he thought the song was about happy anticipation) and sometimes when I'm playing TGR, I have to stop -- Chris died of "the usual" just a few months after our last trip to Reno together, for his 30th birthday, in June, 1991. My current partner, Robert, is a definite Joniphile, but of the Ladies-through-Hejira variety -- he was unfamiliar with anything after Mingus until he met me. The first time i managed to get through TGR without too much stumbling, he said "What *is* that song? It's so *sad*!" and i burst into tears. He patted me on the back, not understanding why I was crying, saying, "Oh, but you *played* it so well." Then I was both laughing and crying (what the hell, it was the same relief), and I explained all the mixed emotions I have over that song. And only more recently did I learn the whole story of the song, how the tune came to Joni during the Wild Things Run Fast era, but that she couldn't come up with lyrics that "felt" right to her partly because she somehow synesthetically felt that the words should have a "French" sound to them to fit into the musical phrasing; finally, I guess around 1990, someone [someone, I'm sure, can fill in the blanks of my memory here -- I can't remember the author, and whether it was a short story or a memoire] turned Joni on to a story about a man who longs after a boy, and then discovers years later than the same guy, now an old man, discovers that the same object of his affections, now a man himself, jogs the same route every day -- so he rents those two grey rooms for the *sole* purpose of watching the younger man jog pass every day -- 'cept not on weekends. Up until recently, I thought the song was another along the lines of "Come In...", "Nothing Can Be Done", "Only Joy" and "Ray's Dad's Cadillac", all of which touch or dwell on the theme of lost youth. In spite of this recurring theme, I still think the album has a happy feel to it, which Chris related to viscerally -- if he could force words in to Cocteau Twins songs, he could force happy ones into Joni songs. :-) Ooops, I've rambled again. But Erica, DJ and NRH really are two of my favorites, and i hope you enjoy them as much as I have! Best, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:12:10 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD and NRH and especially TGR, some memories > side three > had Otis & Marlena, then Tenth World blending into Dreamland (which is one of > the few songs from that album that Joni still tends to perform; it's all > right, but i think there are better from the album) She did perform DJRD a couple of times on her '98 tour. Did a great job, was especially nice with Brian Blade driving the rhythm. ; and the fourth side had > DJRD, which seems a lot like a companion song to Coyote to > me They were written around the same time, and were performed as a medley on the '76 tour. Why she put one on Hejira and one on DJRD is anyone's guess I suppose. Oh, and thanks for sharing the memories, Walt. I would think that most of us have some pretty strong ones tied to Joni's music. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen & Steel Mill, "I Got A Woman" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:33:05 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re:A new discovery in Joni studies On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias wrote: > A breakthrough in the field of Mitchellology. By translating Joni songs to > various world languages, using the wonderful "language tool" provided by > google, and then translating back to English, whole new layers of meaning are > revealed. > > Below is "Case of You": > > OH to be to you in my blood like saint wine to taste you thus bitter and thus > soft OH I to be able to drink a case you still cherished I to be on my foot OH > I still to be on my foot > > Isn't technology an amazing thing? > > Love > > Nuriel This is just too funny! Nice work, Nuriel, made my day! I gotta try this with something off "Blonde On Blonde!" Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:27:42 EDT From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Laura Nyro's Biography I am sure this has been here, but I wanted you all to know what a delightful book has been written on the life of the Late Great Laura Nyro. It is called Soul Picnic, and written by my friend Michele Kort. I know that many musicians frequent this site, and this book was written from the studio perspective shall we say. It takes you through the album processes, interviews by the muses, and is really fun, and funny. I think you all would fine it a great summer nights read. best....nyrogrl Jody L. Serkes jserkes@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:59:12 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Memento Mori Nuriel wrote: So - Which Joni song would you choose to be played in your funeral? I think this topic went around not too long ago but here goes anyway... Everyone forms a conga line behind my pine box and sings Dreamland. Then they can toss me in the earth. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:03:56 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: old gold I was a late bloomer Marianne. 17 years old and had never smoked. Copped a marlboro from my uncle and kept it until the chance came. Went out behind the barn where the corn was green and high, directly up against me and the barn. No one could see me and knew that if my mom caught me it would be a whipping for sure. By that time, the cig was bent into an odd shape. But I smoked it. Made me really sick but didn't learn my lesson as picked up the habit and it remains with me. Darn it, I love it. The post yesterday about loving cigarettes really struck a note (I ask forgiveness from that person for I don't remember who posted it). Quitting seems an impossible task. And therein lies the problem. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:09:18 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Momento Mori, and my little pig Sean, sorry about your friend. Have lost so many animal friends over the years that I really could not count them all. Never gets easier but I always remind myself that I did my best. I gave them my all and I could have done nothing else to make their lives better. They will never leave me and wherever they are, they know it too. Though it may sound silly, after each one dies I have a funeral and then wait for the wind. When it comes, I send their soul off, to go wherever they may. Again, sorry for your loss. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Julia in Chicago (SJC) Hi Everybody! Long time no post aye!? Well I was concentrating on my new job! I have been at it for almost 3 weeks now. I still would rather win the lottery and be independently wealthy, but this will do for now. However, I did get out the other night - a school night at that! After many of you posted awhile back about Julia Fordham's new album, Concrete Love, I became interested in hearing it. My best friend Julie, alerted me that Julia would be playing the smallest of clubs here in Chicago. She begged me to go with her so I relented ... plus she paid! The club or bar was Shubas. I thought the place held more people but it held 200 at the very most! The music room is seperate and in the back of a regular old bar. About 6:30 my friend and I went over to have a drink and wait till show time. This woman walked in with a garment bag and just started talking to people. She was comfortable and greeted folks like she knew us all. Nodding and coming over to say hi. Of course it was Julia, I can't believe how different she struck me. Unlike her "packaging." She was much more earthy, waif-like and bohemian. Unlike that seductive mysterious diva way they portray her. We sat in the second row, behind 2 of her most loyal fans in Chicago. It was so intimate, I was not more than 10 feet from her! Still, I wanted to really experience her and decide if I liked her in that extra special way (Joni, Phoebe, Ricki). Well she really blew me away! Hearing many more familiar songs than I realized I knew or remembered. The show started late due to a misunderstanding between Julia and the management. Which Julia made light of throughout the show. She opened with Falling Forward, followed by Porcelain and Girlfriend. Then she went on to do Italy from the new album. She was chatty and funny and in great voice. She made light of the weather doing her hair for her, a look which she had been unable to duplicate since the photo shoot for Concrete Love. As she sang she would connect with audience members and nod and wink as if she knw where they were in their own heads. She was much more Joni like than I expected. And I heard this reference in the audience before hand with her lyrics and her voice. Although she plays as much with the bottom as with the top of her voice. Something that Joni did early on, only on occasion. But which she is now forced to do. I only worried that her talkative stye would limit her songbook for the night. It really did not. She went on to do Manhattan Skyline, Genius, Stay and of course Happy Ever After. Never cheating and always really challenging her range and voice. She did a verse of the old Minnie Ripperton song, "Loving You" and then went on to tell the story of meeting Miniie's husband. I forget his name, but he told her that Minnie would have loved her. And so she wrote the song, Roadside Angel about Minnie. Other songs included, Wake up With you, Missing Man and Something Right. She also told the story of India Arie and how she came to do vocals on Concrete Love. She was expressive in her thrift shop sequined darkish slate blue gown, moving her hands and bending to and fro with the mood of the music. In fact she ended her last song by falling straight down on her behind, like a little girl on the stage. Afterwards there was the promise of autograph signings of her new CD. OF COURSE I BOUGHT ONE! So we waited in the line of about 50, almost the last ones. My friend went up first and then I. She was by no means rushing people off and was anxious to talk. Believe me! I went up and when she asked what name I wnated her to sign - I asked for her to make it anonymous. Why you ask? Later. Knowing she is a Joni fan, I thought I might get her interest my mentioning Joni and the List and the Fest! Oh my GOD! She totally perked up even more - as if that was possible! She grabbed me and jerked me to her ear and started telling me about all of her Joni encounters. This was a performer, I expected her to be cool, no she was just like a girlfriend talking and so excited she couldn't tell me fast enough. I then said something about the Joni line "Love is touching souls" and that I thought music has the same effect, and that surely she had touched mine that night. Okay so I got a little hokey. Well I thought she was gonna cry. Then she added to her first meeting with Joni story, by telling me about the dog she found and that he ate Joni's autograph up! I think I will add her to my list of faves, she earned it both on the stage and off. I love when a performer is that loose and genuine and has no airs! She may or may not remember me today, but she sure made me feel special. And she knows about all of you now and the Fest. Oh that CD - it's autographed and set to be an item for the raffle at the fest! WooHooo! Oh yea, a little more Joni content. As I was walking away, she pulled me back once more to tell me she had the inside scoop on the Joni material for the new album - she said Larry Klein let her listen to it ... She said it's absolutely fabulous with a big hard head nod as an exclamation point! And one more "Fabulous" after that just to underline it all. Thanks for letting me share this with you if you hung on this long! I'll be seeing many of you soon! Peace, Susan Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:19:28 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Memento Nuri Hello, Nuriel! Good to see you here again. There was a recent thread about funeral music, although I don't think it was Joni-specific. If I had to pick a Joni tune for my funeral, which will happen in 2053, I think I would pick the one I listened to over and over again during a very dark night of the soul last year: "Both Sides Now," the orchesteral version, from BSN. When they plant me in the dirt like some lame bulb that never blooms come any spring, this version of BSN is what I'd like people to have to sit there and listen to. It's almost six minutes long, so that will piss them all off! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:14:37 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Julia in Chicago (SJC) No....thank you for sharing! Gosh...you write so well....I forget how much I always enjoy what you have to say. Well....B-day girl...you are now officially 105 plus one hour.nine minutes.(are all those tooths yours too?) Green tea...naw...Jack it is...:-) Take care.. Bree >Thanks for letting me share this with you if you hung on this long! I'll >be seeing many of you >soon! > >Peace, >Susan >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #213 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?