From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #212 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, July 24 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 212 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: July 23 [ljirvin@adelphia.net] Oh,Gee! [Gordon Mackie ] JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] Re: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: Rolling Stone on Joni [juancito@juno.com] Steve Tyler billboard [anne@sandstrom.com] A new discovery in Joni studies [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: looking and longing... ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: looking and longing... [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: looking and longing... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: looking and longing... [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Jimmy B in a different Joni song? [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: A new discovery in Joni studies [Vince Lavieri ] the maid ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Oh,Gee! [Catherine McKay ] Re: the maid ["Bree Mcdonough" ] YOUR CD!!!!!!!!! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Oh,Gee! [Randy Remote ] Re: the maid ["J.David Sapp" ] See you all at JoniFest [JSerkes@aol.com] Site 59 [Patti Haskins ] Memento Mori [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:01:16 -0400 From: ljirvin@adelphia.net Subject: Today in History: July 23 1969: Joni is scheduled to perform with Tim Hardin at the Schaefer Music Festival in New York City's Central Park tonight. The event was rained out and rescheduled for tommorrow. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690725nyt.cfm [Source: New York Times; July 25, 1969] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:02:36 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Oh,Gee! Hi JMDlers. I think you clever people have it all wrong with the O.G. My suggestions are:- - - Our Godess - - Onomatopoeic (or should that be onomatopoetic) Genius - - Outasite Girl - - Once Graham's er thats all I can come up with before 10 in the morning....I'm sure you have better Gordon In drizzling, miserable, grey, Glasgow. Can this weather get any more miserable! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:42:47 -0400 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? hi all. OK, i'm sort of embarrassed to admit this, but: i'm a somewhat avid reader of "US" magazine...that's right, the junk-filled celebrity rag that fills its pages with all sorts of breaking news like "SPOTTED! Ben Affleck ordering a Vanilla Latte!" anyhoo, in this week's issue (the lovely and billy bob-free angelina jolie on the cover), they have a silly feature called "lookalikes," with a small corner dedicated to how aimee mann and joni mitchell are, essentially, similar! they have a picture of joni, from what era i can't tell-- and one of aimee, and they note that aimee's new album ("lost in space") is due out in august. i don't know that they look so much alike, but i do know that these two artists pretty much make up my entire favorite music list, so... i'm taking it as a sign that reading "US" is a good idea. check it out if you're interested! - -- emily, on a chicago morning that is COOL...finally! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:06:24 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: JM and Aimee Mann: lookalikes? Hey, one of my friends insists that Steve Tyler and Joni Mitchell belong on Spy magazine's "Separated at Birth" page.....Let's not tell the folks at US ;-) Roberto > >anyhoo, in this week's issue (the lovely and billy bob-free >angelina jolie on the cover), they have a silly feature >called "lookalikes," with a small corner dedicated to >how aimee mann and joni mitchell are, essentially, similar! >they have a picture of joni, from what era i can't tell-- >and one of aimee, and they note that aimee's new album >("lost in space") is due out in august. > >i don't know that they look so much alike, but i do know >that these two artists pretty much make up my entire >favorite music list, so... > >i'm taking it as a sign that reading "US" is a good idea. > >check it out if you're interested! > >-- emily, on a chicago morning that is COOL...finally! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:49:22 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Let the Countdown begin! #994, Co Co Beaux, "A Case of You" (acapella collegiate group, sadly we may never get to hear it as the production was limited and it's now out of print...but college kids are always in need of $$, so it may yet be obtainable! ;~D) Bob NP: Elvis Costello/Steve Nieve, "Toledo" 11/June/99 (Thanks Mr. van Tiel!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:45:56 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Oh,Gee! Gordon Mackie wrote: >I think you clever people have it all wrong with the O.G. My suggestions are:- > >- Our Godess > >- Onomatopoeic (or should that be onomatopoetic) Genius > >- Outasite Girl > >- Once Graham's Gordon, my suggestion is --Original Genius Sue, who is crying 'cuz her power went out five minutes into the new episode of "Sex and the City". I remember being in NYC last year for fleet week. Thank God Alison and Rose could hang on to me as otherwise I would have crushed a few good men ;-) _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:46:35 -0700 From: juancito@juno.com Subject: Re: Rolling Stone on Joni "O. G" means Old Guard, a term left over from the American Leftist movement... Jim On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:44:51 -0400 Vince Lavieri writes: > In the current issue of Rolling Stone there is an article about > Avril > Lavigne, and a sidebar about famous female Canadian singers and Joni > is > listed first, and she is described as "O.G. folkie poet, hot babe, > genius." What does "O.G. mean? Interestingly, of the 8 artists > profiled, Joni's in the only one sentence that is all 100 > positive... > depending on what "O.G." means. > > Not too impressed with the way Avril Lavigne is presenting herself, > but > then self proclaimed bar brawlers never impressed me. > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Steve Tyler billboard Bob Murphy said: > Steve Tyler is on a "Got Milk?" billboard near here. The first couple of > times I passed by it I assumed it was Carly Simon, so I think Steve looks > much more like Carly than Joni. I KNOW the billboard!!!! It's the one near the Arsenal Mall, isn't it?? (although there are a bunch of them around...) He looks positively creepy in this ad - not that he doesn't anyway... My sister used to be his personal trainer - said he was actually nice, a gentleman really. Funny, she always got offered tix and backstage passes, but never went because she doesn't like their music. Aaaahhh, a money-making opportunity lost, I'd say. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: A new discovery in Joni studies Dearest Friends, A breakthrough in the field of Mitchellology. By translating Joni songs to various world languages, using the wonderful "language tool" provided by google, and then translating back to English, whole new layers of meaning are revealed. Below is "Case of You" translated to French: Juste avant que notre amour soit perdu avez-vous dit que "je suis aussi constant qu'une itoile nordique" et moi avons indiqui "constamment dans l'obscuriti ` oy est ce? Si vous vouloir je jtre dans barre "sur dos un dessin coaster dans bleu TV icran lumihre je dessiner un carte Canada OH Canada avec votre visage esquisser l`-dessus it deux fois OH vous jtre dans mon sang comme saint vin vous go{ter ainsi amer et ainsi doux OH je pouvoir boire un cas vous chiri encore je jtre sur mon pied OH je encore jtre sur mon pied OH je jtre un seul peintre je vivre dans un bonte peinture je jtre effrayer par diable et je jtre dessiner ces ceux qui jtre non effrayi je rappeler que temps vous dire vous dire" amour jtre toucher bme "s{r vous toucher mine 'cause partie vous verser hors dans ces ligne de temps en temps time to time OH, vous jtre dans mon sang comme saint vin vous go{ter si amer et ainsi doux OH je pouvoir boire un cas vous chiri et je encore jtre sur mon pied je encore jtre sur mon pied je rencontrer un femme avoir un bouche comme vttre connantre votre vie connantre votre diable et votre contrat et dire "aller lui, sijour avec lui si vous pouvoir mais jtre priparer pour saigner" OH mais vous jtre dans mon sang vous jtre mon saint vin vous jtre ainsi amer, amer et ainsi doux OH, Je pourrais boire une caisse de vous chiri que j'itais toujours sur mes pieds j'itais toujours sur mes pieds and now back to English using the same tool: Just before our love is lost do have you says that "I am as constant as a Scandinavian star" and me indicated "constantly in the darkness to where is it? If you to want I to be in bar "on back a drawing coaster in blue TV screen light I to draw a chart Canada OH Canada with your face to outline on top it twice OH to be to you in my blood like saint wine to taste you thus bitter and thus soft OH I to be able to drink a case you still cherished I to be on my foot OH I still to be on my foot OH I to be an only one painter I to live in a box painting I to be to frighten by devil and I to be to draw these those which to be not frightened I to recall that time to say to you to say" love being sure touch heart "to touch you mine ' causes part you to pour out in these line from time to time time to time OH, to be to you in my blood like saint wine to taste you so bitter and thus soft OH I to be able to drink a case you cherished and I still to be on my foot I still to be on my foot I to meet a woman to have a mouth like yours to know your life to know your devil and your contract and to say "to go him, stay with him if you to be able but to be to prepare to bleed" OH but to be to you in my blood to be my saint wine to be thus bitter, bitter and thus soft OH, I could drink a case of you cherished who I was always on my feet I was always on my feet Isn't technology an amazing thing? Love Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:25:14 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: looking and longing... yes - my fave is miles, but also coltraine and monk and some more contemporary stuff - also love billie. > The only one on your list that I haven't heard yet is NRH> NRH is the work of a mature artist, it is "smooth" sounding and seems to contain all the elements of her previous work blended into a new sound - standouts are NRH, PP, and STB. the only clunker is Windfall, which seems lyrically vindictive. NRH is the precursor to TI, not as musically complex. i have always liked NRH, but it has grown on me over the years and i recently spent a month listening to nothing else. yes WTRF pretty much leaves me cold. CC, MATW, Love are exceptions. > What's your opinion on DED?> DED has some great songs as evidenced by the acoustic, live performances i have heard. but the production on the studio release creates for me an emotional distance and i generally don't care for the sound. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:48:34 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: looking and longing... David writes: << the only clunker is Windfall, which seems lyrically vindictive >> Yeah, what's with that? This may be my least favorite Joni song of all time. I am also always playing the guessing game when I hear it . . . Is it about Klien? Obe of her cats? That poor Guatemalan maid? Let me add my voice to the chorus of people sending their regrets that you will not be able to make it to this year's Jonifest, David. I would have loved to meet a such a valued Joni in Fiction contributor! I hope next year we'll be able to get you there! (But first we have to wait until Ashara gets over saying, "Never again!") Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:00:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: looking and longing... > Yeah, what's with that? This may be my least favorite Joni song of all time. > I am also always playing the guessing game when I hear it . > . . Is it about > Klien? Obe of her cats? That poor Guatemalan maid? I think in one of the articles somewhere she does indeed identify it as being about the maid, it certainly plays out that way: Look you live here like a star Rent free suite Big blue pool that you sun by Trips to tropic shores Clothes from fancy stores And I'm assuming this part refers to her catholicism with the icons, lighting of candles, etc. Going to the church You chant For my downfall I do admit to loving the "you'd eat your long alive, for a Jaguar in the drive" line - man, it's acidically harsh, and justifiably so. But musically you're right, the melody doesn't stick. It's the NRH equivalent of "The Tea Leaf Prophecy"...an interesting sidebar based on some autobiographical data, but not much of a song I'm afraid. Bob NP: Bruce, "Tunnel Of Love" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:18:47 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: looking and longing... The nice Bob writes: << It's the NRH equivalent of "The Tea Leaf Prophecy"...an interesting sidebar based on some autobiographical data, but not much of a song I'm afraid. >> Yes, but I think TTLP has much better lyrics overall. I like it anyway, even if the the melody is sluggish at best. And I was only joking about the Guatemalan maid being the subject of The Windfall. I had no idea I'd be right! --Bob NP: A thunder and lightening storm with skies so dark the streetlights have come on! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:15:32 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Jimmy B in a different Joni song? In a message dated 7/22/02 8:04:51 PM, michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: << Joni played three songs with Jimmy Buffets band (Cherokee Louise, Just Like This Train, and Big Yellow Taxi. That was the night I got to dance with her on the side of the stage to Neville Brothers music. I still have a momento from that night the glitter name card that was on her dressing room door. >> Paz, :-) I'd forgotten this story! -- god, how i swoon at the thought of dancing with her, even more chatting with her -- but obviously she and the Buffster must be pals, in spirit if not in songwriting styles or ability. Maybe he's inspired by her songwriting without its having any obvious or apparent effect on his. "I met a friend in spirit/who drank and womanized (hasn't she re-worded this line -- "a sage in [something]'s eyes")/And I sat before his sanity/i was holding back from crying/he saw my complications/and he mirrored me back simplified/and we laughed how our perfection/ would always be denied..." (Refuge from the Roads, Hejira) Hmmm. Could *that* have been Jimmy B? I love wondering about these things. best to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:17:34 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: A new discovery in Joni studies Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Dearest Friends, > > ... By translating Joni songs to various world languages, using the wonderful "language tool" provided by google, and then translating back to English, whole new layers of meaning are revealed. > > Below is "Case of You" translated to French... and now back to English using the same tool: > > I still to be on my foot "I still to be on my foot" is a wonderful line (sounds like something from SCTV) and I hope several of the musicians in the JMDL take up the challenege and write a song with that in the title - or Bob, wrap your parody-mind around this for a while while the 1,000 covers count down continues... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:10:16 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: the maid > I think in one of the articles somewhere she does indeed identify it as being about the maid> yes i've read the article and it is about the maid. and maybe the maid was the bad guy in the scenario. but what i hear in the song is this rich, famous person complaining about the hired help."you want everything for nothing". i guess the lady never did a lick of work. well just fire her and be done with it. i guess my politics may get in the way - but it shows a side to joni which is unpleasant to me. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:52:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Oh,Gee! - --- Gordon Mackie wrote: > Hi JMDlers. > > I think you clever people have it all wrong with the > O.G. My suggestions are:- > > - Our Godess > > - Onomatopoeic (or should that be onomatopoetic) > Genius > > - Outasite Girl > > - Once Graham's > I was thinking maybe "Old Grandma". ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:08:06 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: the maid Hi David.. I don't know if anyone brought this up, BUT didn't that maid steal from Joni? Joni gave her money for a trip...and she found out it was not used for a trip at all. The way I read it she took advantage of Joni's kindness and generosity. Bree >the hired help."you want everything for nothing". i guess the lady never >did >a lick of work. well just fire her and be done with it. >i guess my politics may get in the way - but it shows a side to joni which >is unpleasant to me. >peace, david _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:19:47 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: YOUR CD!!!!!!!!! I'm sending this to the list because of Mags mentioning Anne's CD. I wrote this to Anne about a month ago after hearing her demo. I'm sure she won't care me sharing this with her Joni brothers and sisters. Bree Anne! Anne! Anne! I was just doing some folder organizing and draft deleting and found that I had set aside a response I was going to send you about your CD. I don't believe I sent you a response, but if by chance I did, let me tell you again, how wonderful I found your CD. WOW!! If I had just ounce of your talent, my head would be as big as a blimp. :O What a beautiful voice you have, angelic at times, ....you can play and then write, melodies and lyrics!! Like I told Sherelle, you have the talent, now you will need some luck. I am convinced IF the right person heard your demo....you would have some songs sold and maybe even a contract. FIRE : I love the beat..the rhythm......your guitar playing....it is very interesting. Very Catchy! Ordinary Life : Yee-haw!! Great, great lyrics......yeah catchy too! Somewhere Tonight, Mary: Gosh Anne....this is quite pretty. Really nice...hauntingly beautiful. Oh..and your voice is so lovely...yeah angelic. Soothing......early Joni....takes me away....as only Joni can do and now you too. I can't refuse : I played your CD for my brother, who is a musician and songwriter and he remarked how this song put him in mind of Masters Of Reality song, called : "Rolling Green". He then played it for me and the beat and rhythm are nothing like it, but a few of the chords are similar. Heroes Of The Fall: Nice, Anne..you managed to convey hope and a positive ness out pure raw evil and tragedy. Thanks......and much, much luck to you!! When you are famous, I can say I knew her when........ Take care, Bree _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:19:54 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Oh,Gee! - -Outrageously Gifted Gordon Mackie wrote: > Hi JMDlers. > > I think you clever people have it all wrong with the O.G. My suggestions are:- > > - Our Godess > > - Onomatopoeic (or should that be onomatopoetic) Genius > > - Outasite Girl > > - Once Graham's > > er thats all I can come up with before 10 in the morning....I'm sure > you have better > > Gordon > > In drizzling, miserable, grey, Glasgow. Can this weather get any more > miserable! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:38:30 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: the maid .. I don't know if anyone brought this up, BUT didn't that maid > steal from Joni? Joni gave her money for a trip...and she found out it was > not used for a trip at all. The way I read it she took advantage of Joni's > kindness and generosity. hi bree, i think that is a perfectly legitimate analysis and yes that is joni's story - i would like to excuse joni because i adore her - i've tried to get beyond my take on the song, your comments help. thanks. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:37:04 EDT From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: See you all at JoniFest Hey all, I have been trying to make it to NY for the last several years, and ASH finally is getting me to do it. So, without hesitation, Nyrogrl comes to JoniFest 2002. Bringin my UKE. Nyrogrl Saint Louis MO. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:36:20 -0500 From: Patti Haskins Subject: Site 59 Hi all, I receive email alerts from http://www.site59.com , a last minute travel package web site. Never have used the service, just like to dream that I might some day. In today's email from the site, at the close of the list of big city, bright light packages, the "author" closed this way: Joni Mitchell sang about the beauty of the dancing lights against the night sky of New York in her song Night in the City, and she couldn't have put it better. Pack your bags and learn what Joni meant when she sang "The night in the city looks pretty to me." Until next week, Patty Griffin Surprised the hell out of me. Patti in Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:03:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Memento Mori Dearest Friends, Though one wishes to repress and deny it, we shall all one day vanish into the great unknown, and I strongly believe that one should prepare for one's final rites just as one prepares for one's wedding. So - Which Joni song would you choose to be played in your funeral? Love, Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #212 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?