From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #177 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 177 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: June 18 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: June 18 [les@jmdl.com] mp3.com stations (some jmdl content) ["Paul Castle" ] trading ["Garret" ] Re: trading [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Initializes menus [SCJoniGuy ] Re: Laughing it all awaaaaaaayy! [Abbymusique@aol.com] Joni songs inspired by literature ["kerry" ] Tuffsearch@aol.com [les ] Re: Initializes menus ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Initializes menus ["Heather" ] that janet jackson song [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: that janet jackson song [Jerry Notaro ] Victor in Asheville [Mauski4648@aol.com] Re: People's Parties [Bob Shemkovitz ] RE: Initializes menus [Lori in MD ] Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. [Howard ] Re: Initializes menus [Mags N Brei ] Re: Initializes menus [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni songs inspired by literature [Mags N Brei ] From the Janis Joplin list - JC [Vince Lavieri ] RE: All of this talk about sailing now ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:12:35 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: June 18 On June 18 in history: 1999: Don Rowe wrote to the list: "This just in from a review of a Go-Betweens concert in Toronto ... Robert Forster introduced 'Spring Rain' saying: 'This is dedicated to Joni Mitchell, who Grant (McLennan) and I saw walking down the street in Toronto today ... she looked fantastic!'" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:12:35 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: June 18 On June 18 the following items were published: 1998: "Fair Game" - New Times LA (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980618ntla.cfm 1998: "Woodstock Returning This Year" - NicksFix website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980618nf.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:46:04 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: mp3.com stations (some jmdl content) Kate wrote: >What I meant was the mp3.com site which many >indie musicians have done, its like a webpage of >music that people can download Or quickly preview in a lo-fi dial up. The artist does have the choice as to whether their tracks are available as full mp3 downloads or not - I've also found that many artists have sites with no music available at all - just links to where their CDs can be purchased. As these sites are free and pretty easy to set up, I can't see you have much to lose if viewed for purely promotional purposes. Yes, the pop-up banner ads are irritating until you learn how to get rid of them quickly. >As an artist, I chose not to put my stuff up on >mp3 mainly because I did not like their business >practices towards artists (another story). You may know something I don't, but I think this is a shame. I recently set up an mp3.com station and went looking for a Kate Bennett track to include - I have found tracks by Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer (which I remember being recommended by Steve Dulson), Diane Zeigler (mentioned on list recently by Ashara and Anne - love this track), Bruce Cockburn (a great track from his 'Breakfast in New Orleans Dinner in Timbuktu' album), Jane Siberry (a new [to me] version of 'Calling All Angels'), Norah Jones (whose name I first heard on the jmdl and now, having seen her on TV, really rate), plus Alison Krauss, Jay Ungar & Molly Mason, Rhonda Vincent, Tom Prasada-Rao, Rick Scott, Chuck Brodsky and others - http://www.mp3.com/stations/acrossthepond - and I've also recently enjoyed listening to dial-up versions of Van Morrison's latest single and an acoustic version of 'Pinball Wizard' by Pete Townshend, plus Joni singing harmony vocals on a live recording of 'Blue River' by Eric Andersen ("Joni Mitchell - The Greatest", he rightly says, at the end). I was even thinking of suggesting to Les and Sue that they consider setting up dial-up stations - a JMDL Station for list members with recordings and artists in the Joni vein - and a Wanderer Station for tracks with interesting open tunings (the Bruce Cockburn track I found - The Last Night of the World - for example, is in Drop F#). As it doesn't cost anything to set up a station, it would appear to be a great way to share our musical discoveries. I've even thought about suggesting that Bob has a "best of" Joni Covers Project Station, but appreciate that this might well require Joni's permission as well as the individual artists. >I did not like their business practices towards artists >(another story). I'd be interested to hear your views. I admit that all this is fairly new to me. I am aware that mp3.com is owned by Vivendi-Universal who reported massive losses last year, and that they have introduced a Premium Artists Service for $20 a month (which I'm told might well be worth signing up to for a couple of months around the release of a new album). But you can still put up a free site for promotional purposes, which has already been very helpful to one of the groups I play in. We've recently had tracks at #1, #2, and #3 in the UK mp3.com Bluegrass Charts which, whilst we know is no big deal in itself, has given us a burst of enthusiasm which has led to quite a few additional gigs recently. Also, I notice that artists like Alison Krauss and Norah Jones are using mp3.com to promote just a couple of tracks from their new albums - Alison has had over 140,000 plays on her two tracks from 'New Favorite' and Norah has nearly 110,000 for her two tracks from 'Come Away With Me'. I'm sure that most of these are just lo-fi dial up plays and the majority who like what they hear will go out and buy the album from wherever they normally do. Am I wrong to hope that Joni might put up a couple of tracks from her forthcoming album? All the best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:17:25 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: trading Has Joni performed Sunny Sunday and Turbulent Indigo live? More to the point, does anybody have a copy they'd be willing to trade or B&P for? I'm also looking for any one of the 1998 shows (was it 98 when she did the Dylan tour?) and the Hissing Demos. I'd be very grateful if anyone could help:) While we're at it, i'm also on the lookout for REM, Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins, Patti Smith, Paul Simon (or S&G), Sinead O Connor and many others. I don't have a big trade list, but i think it's an interesting one (thanks in *large* part to some generous JMDLers!), i intend to have it posted on my website this evening. GARRET np- The Undertones, Teenage Kicks ps- i wasn't sure if this qualifies as JC, if not, apologies ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:50:39 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: trading > Has Joni performed Sunny Sunday and Turbulent Indigo live? More to the > point, does anybody have a copy they'd be willing to trade or B&P for? You'll be happy to know that the answer is yes! She performs both at her 1993 "Troubadours of Folk" appearance in Los Angeles. The complete setlist: 1. Last Chance Lost 2. Big Yellow Taxi 3. Amelia 4. Borderline 5. Turbulent Indigo 6. How Do You Stop 7. Hejira 8. Night Ride Home 9. Sunny Sunday As far as I know, this marks the sole live performance of Borderline, Last Chance Lost, & TI. I'm > also looking for any one of the 1998 shows (was it 98 when she did the Dylan > tour?) and the Hissing Demos. I'd be very grateful if anyone could help:) My favorite '98 show is the Kanata appearance and/or Atlanta, not just because I was there but because the sets are a bit longer and in Atlanta she does Song For Sharon & BSN. > While we're at it, i'm also on the lookout for REM, Radiohead, Smashing > Pumpkins, Patti Smith, Paul Simon (or S&G), Sinead O Connor > and many others. I can help with the REM, Patti, & S&G, Garrett...my non-Joni list is attached. Bob NP: Red House Painters, "Take Me Out" [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Live Collection.doc] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: SCJoniGuy Subject: Initializes menus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:06:57 EDT From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: Laughing it all awaaaaaaayy! Russ, I know what you mean about the terrain and the music intermingled. I lived in Colorado for seven years and bought most of the albums I have by her there, including Heijira, which really makes me think of the West. I think that's the kind of music I like best, anything that puts me in a whimsical mood while I'm driving down a broad highway with beautiful scenery to my right and left. Nothing better! Abby www.authorsden.com/abbymparks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:13:51 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni songs inspired by literature I can't remember who posted something about the "Songs Inspired by Literature Project" here, but I finally picked up the CD yesterday at an adult literacy conference. It's really wonderful! The artists are winners of a songwriting contest and also a few more well known people like Aimee Mann, Suzanne Vega, Grace Slick and Bruce S. I was checking out the website and they have a section listing famous SIBL's: http://www.siblproject.org/home.html They had only had one Joni song listed (BSN), so I submitted "Slouching Towards Bethlehem." Anyone have more Joni songs to add? Kerry NP - Suzanne Vega - Calypso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:42:58 -0400 (EDT) From: les Subject: Tuffsearch@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Initializes menus Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't mark this njc on purpose. Thanks. Jim LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:32:27 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Initializes menus yes. came through to me also. what's it all about? heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:27 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Initializes menus Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't mark this njc on purpose. Thanks. Jim LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:32:59 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: that janet jackson song Hi, all. . . Does anyone know the title of the Janet Jackson song that samples BYT? Also, if anyone has the lyrics I would appreciate getting a copy of them for the Joni in Song part of the JMDL site. Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:43:24 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: that janet jackson song Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Hi, all. . . > > Does anyone know the title of the Janet Jackson song that samples BYT? Also, if anyone has the lyrics I would appreciate getting a copy of them for the Joni in Song part of the JMDL site. Got Til Its Gone. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:06:42 EDT From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Victor in Asheville Victor, would you send me your e-mail address - I would like to ask you some questions about Asheville. Greetings from Karin from Germany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:18:35 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: People's Parties Hello, fellow listers, I9ve been reading the postings about Joni9s singing on People9s Parties, and I really disagree with those who say it9s flat or out-of-whack. Quite the contrary, I think her note choices are right on! I think what sets Joni in a league of her own is the monumental originality, subtlety, nuance, beauty, and sophistication she brings to every aspect of her music. Whether it9s her tunings, her chords, her melodies, her lyrics, and yes, the note choices she makes when singing, Joni consistently brings a fresh, daring, playful, original approach to performance that seems to be utterly beyond the reach (probably beyond the imagination) of 99 percent of pop music performers. Most popular music I9m aware of sticks pretty much to the standard major, minor, and dominant seventh chords you learn in your first year of music lessons, and almost never deviates from the familiar diatonic scale, though some will get adventurous enough to switch to a radical harmonic minor scale for the occasional middle eight. The result is pretty much what you hear on the radio these days - a thousand sound-alike performers, playing a thousand sound-alike songs, all according to the template of the latest Britney Spears nursery rhyme. No major ninths for us, thank you very much! I listen to Joni precisely because she9s willing - indeed, lives - to challenge herself and her listeners, to reach beyond the ordinary, the familiar, the cliche. A singer of Joni9s sensibilities knows and feels how much a song can benefit from the use of the properly chosen note - even when that note happens to be off the chosen scale. I think classically trained musicians call these notes 3accidentals,2 in spite of the fact that they9re written intentionally. Jazz players refer to them as 3blue notes.2 No matter what you call them, in the hands of a master, they9re not a mistake. They9re a tool, an addition to the spectrum on the musical palette, allowing the musician to render a song or performance that9s so much fuller, richer, more colorful, more interesting, more meaningful, than could otherwise happen. Okay, I9m out of adjectives, so I9ll end now. See, it doesn9t pay to light a fire under me when it comes to Joni! :-) For those of you who still aren9t convinced, call me up and I9ll sing it to you - then you9ll know what freakin' 3flat2 is really all about! (With raised fist) SIQUOMB! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: RE: Initializes menus This is probably a (minor) virus. Beware. ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:25:13 +0100 From: Howard Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. This part has always stuck out a little to my ears too. It does sound a little flat, though I think the main reason for this is the wide vibrato that Joni has for this note. She's singing a D, but the vibrato means it's wobbling between D and C#. The overall impression is that it sounds a bit flat - you expect it to be spot on the D, but it's varying between D and C#... Joni is singing a harmony here - she has three voices going at this point, and they all have quite strong vibrato. The harmony she's singing is actually a simple one, a plain major triad (D F# A) so I don't think it's anything in the harmony that makes it sound odd, it's mainly the wide vibrato on all voices, but especially the main voice, that makes the pitch sound a little off. I agree with the some of the other comments people have made - Joni's pitch is usually excellent. There are places where she deliberately lets her voice fall away, and the pitch can be a bit out ("and your loneliness" etc), but this is nearly always because she has a particular expressive effect in mind. In other places, her wide vibrato (especially when singing her harmony) can make the pitch seem a little off. But in most cases, she's spot on whether singing a single line or a harmony. I especially love the sound of her recent mature, smoky voice when it's overdubbed as a harmony. The sound of her voice(s) on the chorus of Turbulent Indigo is a great example! Howard > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:21:14 -0400 (EDT) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: Bending notes, off pitch, etc. > > - --- blckcrow@chorus.net wrote: > > > > But has anyone else thought that Joni was just plain > > FLAT on the last, drawn-out "awaaaaaayyyy" from the > > chorus of "Peoples' Parties?" > > > > If it's the same awaaaaaaayyy I'm thinking of, isn't > she singing harmony with herself at that point? I > think she has a very tight going on harmony there, one > of the more unusual ones (not a maj third or a perf > 5th, for example). Plus the bending of the notes as > well. I don't think she's off pitch, I think she just > has one of her more unusual harmonies going. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Initializes menus me too...does this mean there's some virus still kicking about? Mags. - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni > list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller > that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't > mark this njc on purpose. > > Thanks. > > Jim > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:27:53 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Initializes menus Sorry if this message goes out twice, I didn't use my jmdl address for the previous one. This is another outbreak of the Klez virus, which masquerades an email address in the From: field to a user. I was the victim of said virus on another list, and was told I was sending the virus to other members on the list. There's a useful article on wired.com which explains how it works in a little more detail: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,52174,00.html As always, keep your virus definitions up to date and scan your system regularly. My fellow Mac users, you are immune to it however you may be the victim of being the sender. Here's an article that explains how it affects Mac users: http://service2.symantec.com/SUPPORT/num.nsf/docid/2002041911334611 Mark On Tuesday, June 18, 2002, at 06:13 PM, Mags N Brei wrote: > me too...does this mean there's some virus still kicking about? > Mags. > > > --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >> Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni >> list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller >> that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't >> mark this njc on purpose. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jim >> LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >> http://launch.yahoo.com > > > ===== > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:59:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Joni songs inspired by literature thanks for the heads up Kerry, I think I'm going to be a part of the team for the Joni Lit project. Going to get down to it once I'm in our New Jersey home ;-) my creative advisor, Monsieur Robert LaSmurphe has advised that I start a Joni Lit folder within which I am collecting pertinent stuff for future reference. Mags. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:49:25 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: From the Janis Joplin list - JC does anyone know anything about this? is this old news or new news? Rock film released after 25 years Betsy Powell CANADIAN PRESS STORY TYPE: News LENGTH: Medium The 1970 Isle of Wight music festival is remembered for several things. It brought 500,000 people to the small island off Britain's south coast, a crowd as large as the one that gathered a year earlier for the better-known Woodstock festival in New York. The promoters lost their shirts, guitar legend Jimi Hendrix played his last U.K. gig and, at one point, the stage caught fire. And now another footnote. It took filmmaker Murray Lerner 25 years to bring his warts-and-all account of the event to the screen, a 90- minute documentary that will be seen tonight at 8 p.m. on CBC-TV. "I'm a bad salesman. I couldn't get anybody interested in this to the point of financing," Lerner said Monday on the phone from New York City. That changed as the 25th anniversary approached. With the money finally behind him, Lerner spent a year editing 200 hours of film footage so the Isle of Wight Concert 1970 was ready for broadcast last August on British television, a quarter century after the fact. It earns a place in celluloid rock history alongside 1967's Monterey Pop, the Oscar-winning movie Woodstock and Gimme Shelter, a film of the 1969 Rolling Stones' Altamont concert where the Hell's Angels stabbed a spectator to death. Isle of Wight is from that same rockumentary mould. It shows spaced-out hippies dancing naked, flashing peace signs, smoking pot, frolicking, playing Frisbee and basically grooving to the pop aristocracy performing on stage. But it's also much more than a piece of nostalgia about '60s music and hippie culture. Lerner, who can be heard asking questions and turning down a toke when offered a puff, turns the camera on frantic festival organizers scrambling to pay the musicians while keeping protesters behind corrugated iron fences. The long-haired insurgents refused to pay the three-pound gate charge and demanded the festival be declared free. When organizers refused, they pitched tents on the side of a hill overlooking the jam-packed farmer's field and pounded the fence with stones as security guards with dogs patrolled nearby. One festival-goer remarked it had become a "psychedelic concentration camp." The film catches the behind-the-scenes drama and underscores the disparity between the message the music was conveying and the commercial realities behind it, something Woodstock failed to do, Lerner said. "Woodstock on one level was conventional in the sense that everything was nice and here's the music. I didn't want to do that." Lerner also captures many musical highlights. Hendrix performs Machine Gun, Message to Love, Voodoo Chile and Foxy Lady, plucking notes with his teeth but without the pyrotechnics of Woodstock. Rock's most influential guitarist was dead a month later at 27 after suffocating on vomit. The Doors and a bearded Jim Morrison, who was also dead less than a year later, perform a sombre The End. The crowd jeers a perplexed Kris Kristofferson while he sings Me and Bobby McGee. "I think they're going to shoot us," he says before leaving the stage to a chorus of boos. A fresh-faced Joni Mitchell is badly shaken when her set is interrupted by a Charles Manson lookalike trying to hijack the microphone. She recovers, straps on her guitar and delivers a spirited version of Big Yellow Taxi, even ending with her signature giggle. ILLUSTRATION Mitchell Hendrix ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:24:15 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: All of this talk about sailing now Say, that's real [promising] there, Mags. Yeah, it needs a little polishing- maybe Croz could punch it up some. I'm taking off the njc label to show off your lyric and give 'em a taste of the sailing thread. > From: Mags N Brei [mailto:magsnbrei@yahoo.com] > or how about this one Bob :-) > > There's a man who's been out sailing > In a decade full of dreams > And he takes her to a schooner > And he treats her like a queen > Bearing beads from California > With their amber stones and green > He has called her from the harbor > He has kissed her with his freedom > He has heard her off to starboard > In the breaking and the breathing > Of the water weeds > While she's so busy being free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:57:30 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Initializes menus Probably one of those nasty PC virus thingy's... MAC rules Paz on 6/18/02 8:32 AM, Heather at chiaroscuro@snet.net wrote: > yes. came through to me also. what's it all about? > > heather > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jim > L'Hommedieu > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:27 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Initializes menus > > > Is anyone else getting freaky posts from the joni > list? I got one each from Kate, Les, and Bob Muller > that have a subject line but no contents. I didn't > mark this njc on purpose. > > Thanks. > > Jim > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #177 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?