From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #170 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 170 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Through the wall, sort of ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: (family) jewels [Mags N Brei ] Re: rufus [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Joni ("Hejira") mention in JUNEantha shaber... (Sam Shaber's e-newsletter) ["Garret" ] Re: through the wall ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Re: Joni - she talks too much [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: (family) jewels [WARREN901@aol.com] rhythm guitar songs of joni ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:47:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Through the wall, sort of >So, maybe that would be my advice to Joni - have some fun!< that was the advise i was given, the first time i asked a friend of mine who had become really successful as a songwriter... ps, watching a neil young bio tonight (again) with a small joni moment singing with CSNY on stage somewhere...i am again amazed by the similarities between neil & joni's lives... canadian, polio, following their own muse regardless of what others think, extremely private people, etc. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: (family) jewels - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > > Many different sources - mythologies, older plays, histories. Maybe > Shakespeare didn't lift lines or scenes intact from other works but > the > stories for many of his plays came from other sources. For example, > in 'A > Midsummer Night's Dream', the play that Bottom and his cohorts > perform > before Theseus' court at the end is 'Pyramus and Thisbe', a play > about > lovers who are forbidden to see one another by their parents. It > ends with > the death of the two lovers. There you have the source material for > 'Romeo > and Juliet' > Almost every artist borrows from other, older sources. It's how the > source > material is used that counts. 'Silky Veils of Ardor' has bits of > lyrics > from several old folk songs but Joni rearranges them and weaves them > into a > completely new work that is uniquely her own. The same with > 'Slouching > Toward Bethlehem.' I would not call this plagiarism or lack of > originality. Mark, good call...Pyramus and Thisbe has been mentioned as a source, or having an influence on R&J as well as the poem by Albert Brooke, entitled The Tragicall Historye of Romeus and Juliet. When authors utilize their environment, I feel that it enhances the work one hundred fold. A wonderful way to demonstrate the connections between things. I love when that happens, when I recognize something that Joni utilizes directly from another source. Jazz musicians (renowned for a lightning fast sense of humour ;-) do that all the time, especially in live performance..(cant remember what that called...Fred? David? ) They will insert a very recognizable lick from a completely different work by someone we all know, just to have a little fun. Six degrees of separation. Mags nc:29 days. > ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:57:53 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: rufus I LOVE ROOOOFus! And am glad to see folks chatting about him here. Though I've yet to see him live, I would imagine that his performances could be a bit shaky as he's known to embibe prior to his shows. The singing on his CDs are far from off key. He is right on. To me, his voice is like a silky cello. Ahhh....... Terry, popping in www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:06:53 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Joni ("Hejira") mention in JUNEantha shaber... (Sam Shaber's e-newsletter) Another Sam Shaber fan!! She charmed the pants off me in 2000 when i was in the states. I saw her performing at Borders and couln't afford her cds, but was utterly bowled over by her voice, her songs, her guitar playing, and her charismatic chit chat. I told her as much at the time. I loved ElDorado when she sang it. I since got the cds through the internet, and was delighted to find many of the songs she'd sang that ngiht on them and many others too. I'm waiting for the upcoming release just as anxiously as i waited for Radioheads last one! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: (Sam Shaber's e-newsletter) Tim wrote: > Sam Shaber, www.samshaber.com, is a John Lennon > Songwriting Competition Finalist and Songwriting Competition > Finalist. > > Thought some on the list might find the "Hejira" mention of interest. Since "Hejira" is my favorite album (of all time, by anyone), I certainly do find this interesting! And anyone who plays "Hejira" on the road is a friend of spirit, imo ... so ... I checked out Sam Shaber's website and it says she will be playing in at Jammin' Java (www.jamminjava.com) in Vienna, VA on Friday, June 28! She opens for Rose Polenzani (www.rosepolenzani.com). I haven't heard or heard of either of these women before, but I figure that if the news came by way of Joni (however indirectly) it's synchronicity ... Anyone want to meet there? (I omitted the njc tag, just in case ...) Tim, you're just up the road in Dover -- come on down! Lori in MD, just a Metro ride from Vienna, VA ~ Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:47:11 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: through the wall Kate wrote: >I don't believe any of the above artists died as a result of feeling artistically irrelevant> I agree with this statement but I believe that Cobain killed* himself because of his fear of becoming artistically irrelevant *(if he really killed himself is another topic for another list) >From: "Kate Bennett" >Reply-To: "Kate Bennett" >To: >Subject: Re: through the wall >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:12:47 -0700 > >Lazyasz@aol.com (do you have a name?), I liked much of what you wrote, with >a few exceptions. > >I felt this statement to be cruel: >She didn't pull a Joplin, Cobain, or >Nyro,< > >Janis died of a heroin overdose at age 27 >Kurt also overdosed on heroin but didn't die...he then shot himself, also at >age 27 >Laura died of ovarian cancer at age 49 > >also, >>If she were to hinge her being on perceived notions of her relevance >as an artist, she would have long offed herself. < > >I don't believe any of the above artists died as a result of feeling >artistically irrelevant, I think Janis, Kurt, & sadly many other great >artists have died at an early age because they used drugs to numb their >inner demons & as a result went over that edge... > >Laura died of cancer. > >one more comment...>>She didn't have a personality like Laura Nyro where she >could just put her muse on hold (Laura changed her primary focus from record >making to childrearing and domestic living)<< > >It isn't a personality difference that allows someone to put their muse on >hold to raise a child, it is the incredible demands of raising a child that >leaves little time or energy for the muse... > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett >www.katebennett.com >sponsored by Polysonics >Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: >http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html >******************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:14:40 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Updates and Updates Attendees List There have been several requests for an update on the status of Jonifest attendees so far. 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They are sent to the same address above. Donations for the giveaways and raffle items can also be sent to this address. If you are not sure what kinds of things we are looking for, how about a Joni momento, a CD that you have put out, (Victor? Gregg? Kate? David Lahm? Christene? Jenny? Anne? Bryan?) a Joni songbook, t-shirt, poster, video, book, picture, etc. If you'd like to donate something, but aren't sure what to give, you can always go to e-bay, do a search for Joni Mitchell, and perhaps get something not too pricey. The giveaways and raffle make it much more festive, and also helps to raise money for the JMDL website. To see how far we are spanning the globe this year: This Jonifest represents 21 States, 9 countries, and 5 Continents so far!!!! 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If you want to come and haven't registered before that date, not to worry. Just e-mail me for availability. Signing off from Jonifest Central with hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:20:08 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (family) jewels > Almost every artist borrows from other, older sources. It's how the source > material is used that counts. 'Silky Veils of Ardor' has bits of lyrics > from several old folk songs but Joni rearranges them and weaves them into a > completely new work that is uniquely her own. The same with 'Slouching > Toward Bethlehem.' I would not call this plagiarism or lack of > originality. > i always thought there was something familiar about 'silky veils of ardor.' i remember a particular line in the song, which escapes me now, that i knew came from another song. i remember hearing that song later and that light bulb appearing like a halo over my head. a similar experience happened with 'moon at the window' from WTRF. there is the line " people don't know how to love, they taste it and toss it, turn it off and on like a bathtub faucet " ( ooh,ooh...) the love/faucet idea is from an old jazz standard, which also escapes me, i am almost certain it is on a billie holiday recording in my collection. ( gosh ! alot of stuff seems to be escaping me today. i must be riding another one of those pesky little air pockets in my brain ! ) this whole thread about borrowing reminds me of the idea that the best art is based on what has come before it and that nothing is totally original but just a reworking , a new way of seeing or expressing age old ideas. just a thought... dream on, dream on, dream on, warren keith p.s. did anyone catch cassandra wilson on bravo ? it was outstanding, i would love to see joni on one of the installments ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:29:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Re: (family) jewels a similar experience happened with > 'moon at the window' from WTRF. there is the line " people don't know how to > love, they taste it and toss it, turn it off and on like a bathtub faucet " ( > ooh,ooh...) the love/faucet idea is from an old jazz standard, > which also escapes me, i am almost certain it is on a billie holiday > recording in my collection. Billie's blues tune 'Fine and Mellow' uses this simile: Love is like a faucet It turns off and on Love is just like a faucet It turns off and on Sometimes when you thing it's on, baby It has turned off and gone I think it's probable that it was used before Billie put it in that song, too. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:36:42 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - she talks too much >This reminds me of an article in a jazz magazine where Joni and Cassandra >Wilson were both interviewed. hi guy ! do you happen to remember the source for the article you mentioned ? i bought my first cassandra album because she did a cover of joni's ' black crow ' and have been in love ever since. i would love to read the article if you wouldn't mine e-mailing me the source. thanks... i'm intrigued, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:50:53 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: (family) jewels In a message dated 6/11/2002 5:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I think it's probable that it was used before Billie put it in that song, > too. > thanks for the info on billie's tune 'fine and mellow.' i found the album with said tune and thought you might be interested in what the liner notes had to say. " holiday penned this traditional blues for the 1939 commodore session that also produced 'strange fruit.' she borrowed the 'love is like a faucet' line from a 1923 ethel waters record. " from joni, to billie, to ethel, i guess the question now is where did ethel borrow it ? does anyone know anything about the ethel waters record mentioned in the quote and just how far back can we take this ? i would think at least back to the advent of modern plumbing ! following joni back through time, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:34:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: rhythm guitar songs of joni if anyone has compiled those songs that others have mentioned as being their favorite of joni's rhythm guitar songs...would you mind sending them to me? i'd love to have them all in one place, many thanks! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #170 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?