From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #160 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, June 3 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 160 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #236 -- Ten songs vs. 11, Facelift in '94 ["Kakki" ] CPR benefit review (tiny Joni content) ["Kakki" ] For the roses seen in new light ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: For the roses seen in new light [Catherine McKay ] Re: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long [Vince Lavieri] Re: SoCal Lister Question (sjc) ["Brenda" ] Re: Covers #30 is bustin' out all over! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long [Catherine McK] Re: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long [Murphycopy@ao] Re: Joni's peak voice [] Re: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long ["Kakki" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #236 -- Ten songs vs. 11, Facelift in '94 Hi Bryan, I have the KSCA interview and Joni had written Facelift by then (although the songbook says copyright 1998, but that may have just been when she registered it) and was perfroming it live for a few years before TTT was released. I can't give you the cites right now, but from various interviews and recordings, it seems that Joni and Klein had personally separated in the very early 90s, but continued to work and record together. Joni met Donald shortly after separating from Klein in I think 1993. In her KCRW interview in March '98 Joni said something about their divorce just becoming final that month after many years of separation. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:55:08 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: CPR benefit review (tiny Joni content) The CPR benefit for Walden school Saturday night at Pasadena City College was just lovely! I had bought random tickets without a seating chart online at Ticketmaster and was stunned when the usher brought us down to third row center! (I was kicking myself for not bringing my camera). I was also happily surprised to see Kate B.'s pals Anastasia and John Gonzales performing as one of the opening acts! They were excellent and my friend loved them. Next up was Joe Henry, who reminded me of Hugh Grant meets Lou Reed meets Tom Waits. Great voice, interesting lyrics but a bit too quirky-edgy when you are looking forward to the beautiful music of CPR. A woman in back of me gushed "he's SO cute" to which her boyfriend drolly replied "he has a weird name." LOL About this time I noticed that the woman in front of me had on a black leather jacket with Joni's Both Sides Now self-portrait intricately reproduced in embroidery on the back! I tapped her on the shoulder and asked where she got it and she said a friend made it for her and that a photo of it is posted on http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html (go to the Gallery and then to artist Mardeen Gordon to see it) Of course, I asked if she was on the list but she isn't. Finally Crosby, Pevar and Raymond (with Steve DiStanislao on drums and Andrew Ford on bass) arrived. Crosby was the most relaxed and funny I've ever seen him. Made jokes about his failing memory and reminded all he was in the 60s and then made a pointed joke about how they could make more money if they had Britney Spears as their lead singer. (This was an inside joke because he made some disparaging remarks about Britney in print a couple months ago that started a whirlwind of backlash and a flame war on the CSN list ;-) Croz was in stunning voice, Pevar tore up the room with his playing and Raymond, although faltering a little in voice at times, knocked everyone out with his musicality on several different keyboards and harmonica. Raymond is also the chordal heart of the group and a brilliant composer. They played Map to Buried Treasure, Morrison, One For Every Moment, Rusty and Blue, Little Blind Fish, Eye Too Blue, an amazing Song With No Words, Deja Vu, Long Time Gone, Eight Miles High and for the encore they all channeled Neil Young on Ohio. Towards the end of the show I suddenly saw sweet photographer Henry Diltz scurrying down besides me to take photos! For a big donation through the Guacamole Fund one could attend the artists' after party - out of my price range but it sure would have been nice. Darice was going to try to come down from San Fran for the show but couldn't make it. I know if she had, we'd have been at the after-party with her Guac Fund connections ;-) It was a beautiful night and I hope it becomes an annual gig for the school (attended by Raymond's children). I think they made a lot of new fans tonight. Most of the crowd was there for the benefit but many were not familiar with the band. They went crazy for them with many standing ovations and bravos. It was a beautiful night and I hope it becomes an annual gig for the school, which is attended by Raymond's kids. Kakki NP: CPR - Coyote King ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:54:23 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: For the roses seen in new light Having left most of my albums in Wales and worn out the cassettes here in Spain I have been on a long term project of getting CDs of Joni's albums for some time now. Usually the shops here have so little of her (usually just Mingus, Hits and Turbulent Indigo) that they never reduce the price, but the other day I managed to find the Both Sides Now CD (and DVD) as well as a copy of For The Roses at an irresistible price. I bought both the CDs but would like to know if the DVD has anything going for it (extra tracks etc). Apart from that, I was able to listen to FTR for the first time through good headphones and a quality source and I have to say that I was really impressed by the album. I then played BSN and heard the differences in her voice today. I was expecting not to like this CD but it was much better than I had expected. I am happy with my purchases and will definitely keep my eyes open for more bargains in the 'early' joni. I write as a 'middle-period' man, with Hejira as the highpoint but with a LOT of time for DJRD, Mingus and HOTSL. Leonard Feather's review of Mingus starts with (quoting from memory, don't sue me) "This is a wonderful piece of work". I agree entirely and don't know why people don't 'get' it. The only joni I don't care for is Wild Things Run Fast. I don't know why people criticise Dog Eat Dog so much, because, for me, WTRF is far and away the clunker of the collection. Anyway, I'll listen to FTR and possibly add my two centims worth when I get through, maybe even my thoughts on Electricity. Busy with the 'Murder' paper lately so I'm always running behind the times, just like this train of thought (Hi Fred, Pat Metheny plays in Barcelona in July, as does the Keith Jarrett trio and Lou Reed/Laurie Anderson. Want me to say 'Hello' for you?) (Hi Stephanie, I'd love to talk more re your research but too busy right now. I'm available off-line anytime. Good luck with everything) Mike in BCN NP Ludwig's Tune - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:10:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: For the roses seen in new light - --- Mike Pritchard wrote: > Leonard > Feather's review of > Mingus starts with (quoting from memory, don't sue > me) "This is a > wonderful piece of work". I agree entirely and don't > know why people > don't 'get' it. > The only joni I don't care for is Wild Things Run > Fast. I don't know why > people criticise Dog Eat Dog so much, because, for > me, WTRF is far and > away the clunker of the collection. That's the way I feel too. If I had a choice between WTRF & DED, I'd choose the dog. Yes, I like Chinese Cafe (and really wish that Joni would make a full recording of "Unchained melody" by itself - maybe on he new disc? Wouldn't that be nice? Joni, if you're listening....??) but I'm not as blown away by it as so many people are. I can't put my finger on the reasons why WTRF doesn't do much for me (I don't out-and-out hate it - let's face it, even Joni at her least-best is, well, Joni!!!) Maybe it's because she's too gosh-darn happy (heh-heh). I never heard Mingus when it first came out, so I wonder how I'd have felt about it if I had listened to it back then. I wonder whether I would have liked it, or just not gotten it at all. I only bought the album - - and heard it for the first time - a few years ago, but I love it. When I first got it, I played it over-and-over-and-nothing-but for weeks - my kids were going crazy. I think Joni's voice (her singing) was at its best during that period, when she had matured, but where smoking and age hadn't dried it out so much. My favourite of all for her vocal style is probably Don Juan. There is so much exuberance in her singing - Cotton Avenue is so full of life and joy and fun. Listening to Joni's stuff after not hearing it for a while is always a new discovery. I find things I hadn't noticed before - after all these years, the music, the lyrics, the singing, everything are still fresh and timeless. ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:17:00 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Hejira and Esquire Magazine JONI MENTION!! Esquire Magazine - July 2002 issue - (Al Pacino is on the cover). AMERICA or BUST. Two dozen pages of the best the open road has to offer. Under "Ultimate Car Tunes" on page 64 is 11 picks. The very FIRST pick is Hejira: "11 Records for the Road" Soundtracks for every scenario all across the land. 1. When pondering the urge to flee: Joni Mitchell, Hejira, Joni's nine-song rumination on blue motel rooms, black crows, and the high art of getting the hell away. 2. When actually fleeing: The Rolling Stones: Exile on Main Street 3. When sheepishly returning: The Silos, Cuba 4. When looking for parking: The Cars, The Cars 5. When struggling to stay awake: Minutemen, Double Nickels on the Dime 6. When it's as hot as the sun: John Patton, Memphis to New York Spirit 7. When it's cool and rainy: Keith Jarrett, The Melody at Night 8. When the road is black ice: Sigur Ros, Agaetis Byrjun 9. When in Kansas: The Feelies, The Good Earth 10. When crossing the Mississippi: Charlie Rich, Feel Like Going Home: The Essential Charlie Rich 11. When in gridlock: Dr. Dre, The Chronic. *****AND NOW............Drinks for everybody: (WARNING!!! NO JONI CONTENT BELOW) B1G1 Free Printable Coupon for 20 oz A&W Rootbeer (Walgreens usually runs A&W and other soft drinks 2/$1 in their sales flyers! So be on the lookout. This coupon doesn't expire until 8/4/02) http://www.whatflavorsyourthirst.com/ Win some candy or cash (you'll need some patience on this one. You can enter 25 codes a day per email address. Here's a start: http://www.chewtheclue.com/home.jsp You can just cut & paste these in (one at a time). No need to type them all out. THCS37485 OFCK85045 THCS57924 OFCK23579 THCL12772 WSCL28143 OHCS96443 WSCP45324 THCS47509 THCS62490 THCS10531 THCS28825 THCS96197 THCS18465 TFCP21831 TFCP60551 TFCP27440 TFCP13948 OFCL53659 OFCL97930 OFCL13465 OFCL68445 OFCL13340 OFCL66536 OFCL27993 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:04:20 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: [none] Get Joni Digest v2002.n723 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 17:14:08 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long Jim, very insightful, and I learned a few things, and thank you! A great deal of work and a labor of love! Thanks so much! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:49:38 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: SoCal Lister Question (sjc) On 31 May 2002 at 14:41, Lindsay Moon wrote: > For all you So. Cal. listers, here's a question. As I mentioned in > another post, I am transcribing an interview Joni did in 1994 at KSCA > (in Glendale) for a program called Music Hall. The female interviewer > never identifies herself. Any idea who she is? (I'd rather have a > name for her other than "Announcer.") > I would bet it was Merilee Kelly who was the music director and a DJ at that station at that time. Brenda n.p.: Sheryl Crow benefit show on VH1 - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:09:40 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #30 is bustin' out all over! Hey Bob, I'll give you a spit cup :~) Thanks again for another wonderful Joni's cover CD's. I've been listening to it all weekend. I've realized that not only do I love all these covers and the hard work you do, but your reviews of the songs are accurate and funny as Hell!!!! Just a few comments: <8. Carl Verheyen - Cactus Tree: Carl's an ace session guitarist and also a luthier in his own right. This is a gorgeous electric-guitar instrumental and one of my favorite tracks on this volume. Great player, great song - what more do you need?> Not only is Cactus Tree one of my favorite songs, but this guy does a fantastic arrangement of the song. Truly brilliant!!! <12. BB Gabor - Big Yellow Taxi: I REALLY dig this one, Canadian new wave from the 80's. Gabor starts in one groove, and then changes in the middle and rocks out with it. VERY unique!> I've heard the zillion covers of BYT, but it is so nice to hear it played in such a totally different way. GREAT!!!! <13. Bill Comeau - Both Sides Now: Simply dreadful. Makes you want to grab the guitar and smash it into splinters ala Animal House. This guy has the wimpiest voice in history, I'll bet even tiny Nikki could take him in a fair fight.> This songs like Andy Williams got castrated LOL. You're so right! This is the wimpiest voice in history. How campy! <18. David Syme - Both Sides Now: Solo piano, could be your kid playing at a recital, although if it was you'd probably pay closer attention then you will to this.> I think David Syme *was* playing this for piano 101. It is sooooo bad it makes me laugh. Again Mr. Muller, thanks for all your hard work, and for the rest of you people: Get this CD or I'll slap you! Jimmy 21. Jennifer Hollywood - River: Another Dressed to Kill track, so you don't really know if "Jennifer Hollywood" is a real name or not, but it's hard to mess up 'River', and this one sticks pretty close to the original recipe. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > Contrary to popular opinion, I believe Joni > Mitchell's recording career > should be divided into four periods so far, not > three. Jim, that was brilliant! (You should get it published, man!) ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:19:15 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long Jim Lama writes: << Pain-free, her interest in writing began to wane. Who needs catharsis if you don't have a problem? Joni has often said, "I sing my sorrow and I paint my joy." >> Bravo, Jim! This is very well done. For people who usually delete long posts, this is well worth reading -- so read it! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:54:33 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Joni's peak voice Although the only albums I don't have of Joni are STAS and DJRD, I think that her voice's peak was during the time of MINGUS. The agility when combined with the darkening of her tone color (?) is heady stuff. Although most people I know consider MINGUS her worst album (MINGUS is my second favorite album next to HOSL), I think the singing is topnotch and made even more apparent that her voice can be seen as a jazz instrument with its many hues. Like the late 80s-era Ella, Joni's voice in BSN have a limited range but the improvisational quality remains blue chip. joseph np: anita baker "fairy tales" > I think Joni's voice (her singing) was at its best > during that period, when she had matured, but where > smoking and age hadn't dried it out so much. My > favourite of all for her vocal style is probably Don > Juan. There is so much exuberance in her singing - > Cotton Avenue is so full of life and joy and fun. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:13:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long Another beautiful essay, Lama - I think you should write an entire book on Joni! Please forgive for chafing just a bit at one statement, which I know you cited from Karen O'Brien's biography: > Elliot visited Mo Ostin at the only record company on America's west coast > at Warner Brothers. Capitol Records founded in L.A. in 1942 by Johnny Mercer Reprise Records - L.A. - 1960 - Frank Sinatra A&M Records - L.A. - 1963 - Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss Dunhill Records - L.A. - 1965 - Lou Adler There were also some other fairly large record labels on the west coast at the time including Twentieth Century Fox and I think MCA had an office here, too, back then. There were also numerous small but significant labels such as Specialty, and founded and based in L.A. decades ago. Brenda would probably have more information. Sorry for the input but the statement made me feel like we were the "outback" here on the west coast! Gathering martini vapors now to calm down ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:28:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: CPR benefit review (tiny Joni content) thanks kakki for the cpr review! so happy to hear your friend liked A&J...their new cd is really terrific! btw...hope to have them up to play one of our shows here this summer...hint hint... wished i could have been there!!! haven't seen cpr in many moons, i keep hoping they will come back to play sb soon... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: For the roses seen in new light Hi Mike, You're listening to "For The Roses" for the first time, right? Hmmm. As Obi Wan said to young Luke: "Congratulations! You've just taken your first step into a LARGER world." (from fond memories of Episode 4, AKA "Star Wars") Now, about the DVD of "Both Sides Now". What you have there is a DVD-Audio disc. I *think* it has 96/24 tracks that will play on any DVD movie player as well as an advanced resolution layer that will only play on "DVD-Audio" players but I could be wrong. I don't think it does anything at all if you put it into a normal CD player. It won't break anything but the CD player will be clueless. By the way, Vince has written a Copland-esque arrangement of "Ludwig's Tune" that's gonna be on Joni's next project- currently rumored to be a film and two different CDs to be released on the same day. It was my favorite during the BSN tour and I look forward to hearing it in all of its bombastic glory! Lamadoo Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 00:05:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: "Joni's Four Periods", an essay 100+% JC, very long WOW...really fabulous lama! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #160 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?