From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #156 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 30 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 156 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Blonde in the Bleachers ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Joni Rarities [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' [Lori in MD ] they took me away once again [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: they took me away once again [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] viva [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: they took me away once again [Nuriel Tobias ] Why 10 songs on a record? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Why 10 songs on a record? [Rick and Susan ] Re: Why 10 songs on a record? ["Brenda" ] Questions for a research paper ["S M" ] New Neil Young bio (JC??) [Deb Messling ] Re: Questions for a research paper [juancito@juno.com] Re: Sentence construction [Michael Paz ] Re: New Neil Young bio (JC??) [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: W32 Klez virus alert [Michael Paz ] Blonde in the Bleachers [MGVal@aol.com] Re: RE Sonny Landreth [Michael Paz ] Re: they took me away once again [Michael Paz ] Re: they took me away once again [Randy Remote ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #233 - Alcohol [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Questions for a research paper ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Blonde in the Bleachers Have to agree with Kakki...If you can believe what you read, I remember reading that JT's philandering ways (& hanging out with that rascal Jimmy Buffett) led to his breakup with Carly so its the same old pattern. Nash, on the other hand has been married to his wife Susan for eons & appears to me to be very much a one woman kind of guy... I used to think that taping her regrets to the microphone stand meant that she left him a goodbye note (as in sending regrets to a party that you can't attend)...but now I think it might be her song list...with songs of regret, etc. Time to go listen again to FTR! >>>This was the first I'd heard of him cheating on her with others besides Carly. The bios I've read about CSNY have Nash saying only that his absences on the road contributed to the break-up and that he regretted not being more sensitive to her feeling a bit left out. Somehow I cannot see Nash cheating on her but who knows.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:03:59 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers Erica, Mmmmmm. Yes. Agreed. I too think this is a wonderful line. As you say it works on at least two levels. First, it's extremely visual, cinematic. I picture some pensive chick singer bravely mounting a tiny stage in a coffeehouse, preparing a cathartic session in front of an audience. Then, the words also work as a metaphor for collecting your doubts and figuring out what the heck comes next. For me, Joni' words often have an ablity to be descriptive and metaphorical at the same time. npimh: "Who knows how long I've loved you? Do you know I love you still? Will I live a lonely lifetime? If you want me to, I will." Sir Paul McCartney Erica said: >>>One of my favorite FTR songs is Blonde in the Bleachers...for obvious reasons:) I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes her regrets to the microphone stand....", I am sure it probably has some very literal meaning, but I always imagine Joni playing to a list of her regrets as sorrowful inspiration. >>>> All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:17:56 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #155 I never got the sense that The Blonde in the Bleachers was Joni. Just an observation of the music business and the "stars." I definitely heard the empathy, perhaps the sisterhood, but not that she was the one flipping her hair. One of those Joni female observations (i.e., danced with the lady with the hole in her stocking). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 05:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers > I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes > her regrets to the microphone stand....", I always assumed it meant that she tapes a sheet of paper with lyrics on it for the song she's recording (probably because the song is so new she isn't always sure of the words). I used to tape such a sheet of paper to the mic stand in the studio all the time - and I STILL got lines wrong :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:17:13 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Blonde in the Bleachers > I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes > her regrets to the microphone stand....", ...for me this line was always just a straight and apt metaphor for Joni's tendency to turn her experience into a song lyric. I've never fully bought, for her earlier work anyway, that Joni did not sing from her own experiences. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:30:01 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Sentence construction I am glad you bought this up, Dave. Chinese Cafe is my favorite song on WTRF also. The sentence structure is sort of clumsy ... but it works! This line from Chinese Cafe pops into my head all too often as I experience the passing of time. Watching me, watching my mother, watching my daughter be a mother. It is a very poignant line for me. Then, again, this is the lovely talent of Joni ... writing poignant lines that one cannot get out of their head. I think Joni is a master at handling the passing of time with her lyrics. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cuneo Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:06 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Sentence construction A lister wrote: "The words to that song are so beautiful and perfect. I love these: "We look like our mothers did now When we were those kids' age- " Actually, this line should have said "We now look like our mothers did when we were those kids age". The sentence structure is confusing at first. However, that IS my favorite song on WTRF! Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:48:06 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Rarities <> Thanks for the verification, John...that pretty much confirms that what Les was looking at was the Morrisey disc. NOW if we could only find Morrisey's recording of "Hejira"! Bob NP: Possum Dixon, "Nerves" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:00:46 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' Kerry writes: << I just glanced over this section this morning and it looks great!!!! >> Thanks, Kerry! In January, when I first suggested creating a section of the JMDL for Joni references in novels, I thought it would just be a list of 5 or 10 books. Then JMDLers suggested that we also include films, poetry, plays and TV shows, so now there are 60 entries with more coming in all the time, thanks to alert JMDLers! And Joni in Fiction is so much more than just a list, thanks to Les Irvin and Lori Fye. You can actually click on book and movie graphics to order them from Amazon, and you can click on the movie titles to get more info about individual films from the Internet Movie Database. I'd like to thank Les for giving me the opportunity to make Joni in Fiction happen. Poor Les. He couldn't have found a more tech-challenged person to take on this job! Luckily, Lori Fye stepped in to save the day. Thanks, Lori! You've been a godsend! If I even began to try to thank all the JMDLers who have helped out by letting me know about Joni mentions they've come across, I'd be rambling on longer than an Academy Award winner (And I'd also like to thank God and my attorneys . . ."). Thank you all. And please let me know if I've screwed up your credits in any way. So if you haven't seen the new Joni in Fiction feature yet, check it out. I think you'll be intrigued at the ways some of the best (and worst!) writers and directors of our time have used Joni in their work. << http://www.jmdl.com/fiction >> And to those who have sent new Joni references and corrections since yesterday -- I'm working on it, I'm working on it! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' Smurf wrote: > Luckily, Lori Fye stepped in to save the day. Thanks, Lori! You've been a > godsend! Oh Bob! I would ::::blush:::: except that I really haven't done that much work yet! (I'm looking forward to doing more, though!) You and Les have done wonders, though! Lori ~ Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:42:16 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers I am convinced that this song is about Joni. I believe she is stepping back from herself and describing what it was like to fall in love with a "rock-n-roll man" whomever it may be and understand that this man may love her but he can't live with her, which seems to be the overall consensus of FTR. This is the song where she realizes this relationship is over and she has to accept it. I think "she tapes her regrets to the microphone stand" is another way of saying she has acknowlegded this seperation and has made him aware of it too while trying to convince herself with cliches that the relationship was doomed from the start. Who ever this "rock-n-roll man" was seems to suffer from the same affliction so many men (but not all men) suffer from: fear of committment, unable to settle on one thing because who knows something better may be around the corner. What a jackass.....not to mention a fool.... >From: Randy Remote >Reply-To: Randy Remote >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers >Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:54:20 -0700 > >Been thinking about this one lately, too. The visual I get is that >she scotch tapes a list of her greviences to the mic stand of the >guy in the song...this must be before the show-since the rocker >will be off to his tour bus or plane afterward.(he's a big enough star >to have roadies). So the singer of the song has backstage access. >The list of regrets is clear,,,you can't hold the hand/make your >plans etc with a rock and roll man....Since so much of the FTR >songs are about JT, I wonder if this is the crux of their breakup- >his weakness for willing groupies, which is, sigh, the nature of >the race....I guess it could easily be about Nash, too. >I had previously thought it was kind of an impersonal story >about some girl's broken heart over some rocker. Maybe the >girl was Joni. >RR > >Erica Trudelle wrote: > > > One of my favorite FTR songs is Blonde in the Bleachers...for obvious > > reasons:) I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes > > her regrets to the microphone stand....", I am sure it probably has some > > very literal meaning, but I always imagine Joni playing to a list of her > > regrets as sorrowful inspiration. I just think it's a wonderful phrase. Any > > thoughts?? Oh and is this one also about JT? I get a feeling that the first > > verse of FTR and BITB are about the same person, but that's just me. > > Take care, Erica - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:14:03 -0400 From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' Hey guys... I checked out the movie section here and was shocked and dismayed when I realized that You've Got Mail isn't on there. They have a whole conversation about Both Sides Now. How can I add it? tanya in nyc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:04:17 -0700 From: juancito@juno.com Subject: joni rarities- hejira are there any outakes from "Hejira" floating about? Jim np: Muddy Waters "Fathers and Sons" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:16:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni rarities- hejira <> In a word, no. There are some pretty cool HOSL demos, though. Bob NP: Elvis P, "Love Me Tender" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' Hi Tanya! > I checked out the movie section here and was shocked > and dismayed when I realized that You've Got Mail isn't > on there. They have a whole conversation about Both > Sides Now. How can I add it? At the bottom of this page, http://www.jmdl.com/fiction/, there's a section where you can add your "finds." Thanks! Lori ~ Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:09:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: marketing music in America >>And I wander whether the pattern of American music lovers not patronising music from other countries is not typical of American lifestyle. Everything must be American standard or no deal. I feel the people should try out music from elsewhere for a change and better understanding of those cultures and lifestyle. Ugu Nnamani<< Hi Ugu! Where are you from? Besides Joni, what is your favorite music these days? I agree with you that people should listen to music from other cultures, there is so much excellent stuff...Brenda pointed out how easy that is these days. I don't think there is a typical American lifestyle though...there are so many cultures & lifestyles & regional differences & subcultures ....this country is just way too diverse to speak in terms of one lifestyle... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:01:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: they took me away once again H-E-LLLOOOOOOO boys and girls and all aliens!!!:) how are you all? hope you're better than ever and in a good vibe mood. As you may have noticed, i was unbeing, nonpresented and dissfeaturing in our enchanting list for sometime. i was "there" again, after being caught in a drug mess that ruined me strongly bad and shocked my senses and made me go BANANAS, again that is, but you know i told you when i met you i was crazy. (well, i'm not, but i was so overdozed they just had the urge to take me to the asylum and watch my hair growing longer by the hour, hehe:) it's realy long now. btw:) nough said. as for Joni - is 10 her lucky number? seems so, don't ya think? most of her classical ones have 10 songs included inside, which always makes me wonder when it cahnges to 11 or less then 10 like in some of her others. my lucky number btw is 6. but i aint the devil. now here's a tough one - do you think that joni is alcoholic? The thought has crossed my mind several times. In the Lacota video - is that a joint she's smoking or what? i need to know, because i'm now on NA (narcotic anonimous) and i would like to know more about Joni and her bad girl habits. i'd love to listen to a singer who is "clean". (madonna claims she is, and i respect the heaven of that woman for that, among other reasons) i want you all to know that i've missed you so much and i've been thinking about you a lot. you're all amazing. sooner than soon, love, hugs and all the milky kisses in the globe Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:21:34 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: they took me away once again Hi Nuriel, & welcome back... The only reference I've heard Joni give to the number of tracks on her records is that the royalty rate is different if there are more than 10 songs on a record. I'm not in the biz, so I can't really expand upon the statement, just that that's pretty much what she says. As for Joni being an alcoholic, I've never seen any evidence that would indicate that is the case. But congrats to you on getting involved with NA. They do good work according to friends who have experience with them. Bob NP: The Pretenders, "I'm A Mother" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:30:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: viva (thanks bob) meant to ask you that for a while, all you dear friends, - when you listen to a Joni album or song - don't ya just feel you'll never die? if you ask me, joni will never die. literaly. anyone? yours in bliss, nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: they took me away once again Bob, my dear, what for gosh sakes is "the royalty rate is different if there are more than 10"? I can't seem understand it's meanin'. Please help me understarnd. (if you still have the time and power to deal with my poor knowledge of english sense) thank you, nuri - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Hi Nuriel, & welcome back... > >The only reference I've heard Joni give to the number of tracks on her records is that the royalty rate is different if there are more than 10 songs on a record. I'm not in the biz, so I can't really expand upon the statement, just that that's pretty much what she says. > >As for Joni being an alcoholic, I've never seen any evidence that would indicate that is the case. But congrats to you on getting involved with NA. They do good work according to friends who have experience with them. > >Bob > >NP: The Pretenders, "I'm A Mother" _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:00:52 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Why 10 songs on a record? <> Like I said, I'm not the one who knows; but the gist of what she said in this interview is that they will only pay royalties for up to 10 (or whatever the number was) songs on a record, and that's why she didn't write/release more than that on a project. It doesn't sound logical to me either, but she's much more business savvy than you or I. Bob NP: Prevost & Solley, "Besame Mucho" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:13:17 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: Why 10 songs on a record? on 5/29/02 2:00 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Like I said, I'm not the one who knows; but the gist of what she said in this > interview is that they will only pay royalties for up to 10 (or whatever the > number was) songs on a record, I don't know for sure either but that sounds correct. Royalty rates were the reason The Beatles' albums contained fewer songs when originally released in the USA than in the UK. In the UK they got royalties based on songs per album, here it was the number of albums put out. Therefore Capitol Records thinned out the number of songs and released more albums in the US than in the UK. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:45:03 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Why 10 songs on a record? On 29 May 2002 at 17:00, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < more than 10"? I can't seem understand it's meanin'. Please help me > understarnd. >> > > Like I said, I'm not the one who knows; but the gist of what she said > in this interview is that they will only pay royalties for up to 10 > (or whatever the number was) songs on a record, and that's why she > didn't write/release more than that on a project. It doesn't sound > logical to me either, but she's much more business savvy than you or > I. The 10 song issue is directly related to something called the controlled composition clause. For new artists, the clause basically says that the record label will limit the mechanical royalties (royalties paid to the songwriter and the publisher - which are separate from the artist recording royalty) that it will pay on any release to 10 songs and usually 75% of the statutory rate. (Today the statutory rate is 8 cents per song. So the maximum that a label would pay is 60 cents no matter how many songs appear on the record, as opposed to the statutory amount of 80 cents.) There is a loophole in the copyright law which essential states that even though the rate is statutory, that labels can negotiate with artists to pay less. Because new artists are desperate for the deal they have very little leverage with regard to this clause and figure that it won't matter if they don't sell any records anyway. Because these mechanical royalties cannot be recouped against any outstanding balance the artist may have with the label (for recording costs, 50% of video, advances), the labels have argued that it is a justified compensation for what they spend in "artist development." Joni's first deal was probably subject to this basic clause. With success she was certainly able to negotiate the rate to the full 100% and maybe increase the number of songs. At the time she was signed, I believe the rate was 2 cents, so the label would have paid her a total of 15 cents per album sold no matter how many songs she recorded. It is also an incentive to record your own songs. If you wanted to record a song by someone else who demanded the full rate, you still have to pay it out of the reduced rate total pool. I've even seen some cases where the artist didn't write any or very few songs and because the other writers all wanted full rate, the total royalty payout exceeded the maximum allowed in their contract. The difference was deducted from their artist recording royalty. Brenda n.p.: Outkast - "Rosa Parks" - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:39:11 +0000 From: "S M" Subject: Questions for a research paper Hi everyone,I am a perpetual lurker but now need some help on completing a research paper for school. My questions:1) How many of you would make the case that Joni's best creative material was produced at the 'beginning' (Song to a Seagull, Clouds, Ladies of the Canyon, Blue,) 'middle' (For the Roses, Court and Spark, Hissing of Summer Lawns, Hejira, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter) or 'end' (Mingus, Wild Things Run Fast, Dog Eat Dog, Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm, Night Ride Home, Turbulent Indigo, Taming the Tiger, Both Sides Now) of her career? 2) Would someone care to reclassify these albums into different periods? If so how are those albums unified through the period?2) Does anyone think that the output has stayed at the same level of quality?3) Does anyone think that her best material was produced at the beginning and end of her career? For the avid article readers out there,Can you recommend to me any specific articles that you feel give an accurate in-depth bio of Joni? And finally, if this thread has already been done before, can someone please direct me to it in the archives? Thanks for your time and help,Stephanie Morrison - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:06:49 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: New Neil Young bio (JC??) Last Sunday's NYT Book Review features a new bio of Neil Young, "Shakey," by Jimmy McDonough. It's almost 800 pages long and there is at least SOME Joni content in it. Is anyone enough of a Neil fan to read this book? (Times review was lukewarm). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/02 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:21:07 -0700 From: juancito@juno.com Subject: Re: Questions for a research paper Stephanie, A couple of things jumped out at me that you may want to consider. "Best" is a subjective term and I think you'll have a hard time getting anyone to agree on what is best. I, for example, may prefer Hejira over Don Juan, but that by no means makes DJRD inferior to Hejira. Secondly, Joni's career is not over as far as I know, so you may want to relabel "beginning" and "end" as "early" and "later" or something to that effect. Good luck with your paper! Jim On Wed, 29 May 2002 23:39:11 +0000 "S M" writes: > Hi everyone,I am a perpetual lurker but now need some help on > completing > a research paper for school. My questions:1) How many of you would > make > the case that Joni's best creative material was produced at the > 'beginning' (Song to a Seagull, Clouds, Ladies of the Canyon, Blue,) > 'middle' > (For the Roses, Court and Spark, Hissing of Summer Lawns, Hejira, > Don > Juan's Reckless Daughter) or 'end' (Mingus, Wild Things Run Fast, > Dog Eat > Dog, Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm, Night Ride Home, Turbulent Indigo, > Taming > the Tiger, Both Sides Now) of her career? 2) Would someone care to > reclassify these albums into different periods? If so how are those > albums unified through the period?2) Does anyone think that the > output > has stayed at the same level of quality?3) Does anyone think that > her > best material was produced at the beginning and end of her career? > For > the avid article readers out there,Can you recommend to me any > specific > articles that you feel give an accurate in-depth bio of Joni? > > And finally, if this thread has already been done before, can > someone > please direct me to it in the archives? Thanks for your time and > help,Stephanie > Morrison > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:09:37 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Sentence construction I have always love this lyric to this song and it is one that I feel so deep in my soul when I sing it that I feel like I wrote it. Another one from this song is "my child's a stranger I bore her, but I could not raise her". It makes no sense for a man to sing that line, but it has always been so "there" for me. I don't think be speaking good English all de time is so impotent when the words's you be sanging hit so deep. Even the one about "one big boo hoo" from Man From Mars. I think it was so perfect and another one I love to sing. Peace Michael on 5/28/02 6:05 AM, Dave Cuneo at CuneoDM@XYMID.com wrote: > A lister wrote: > > "The words to that song are so beautiful and perfect. I love these: > > "We look like our mothers did > now > When we were > those kids' > age- " > > Actually, this line should have said "We now look like our mothers did > when we were those kids age". > The sentence structure is confusing at first. However, that IS my favorite > song on WTRF! Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:06:48 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: New Neil Young bio (JC??) I read it. It wasn't bad. Neil allowed it, and granted access. That's important. Fauchja ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:25:31 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: W32 Klez virus alert Oh Jerry should we rub that in???? Yeaaaaaaaaaa why not??????? Hee hee hee Brought to you by those wonderful people who urge everyone to get a real computer. on 5/28/02 1:35 PM, Gerald Notaro at notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu wrote: > RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > >> sorry for the NJC, but I wanted this reach you all. I've received several >> emails this morning that had zip file attachments. In the subject line it >> reads "Here to continue" One of them was sent from my what looked to be my >> cousins email address, so I thought she was sending me something. Norton >> picked up on it thank god and I deleted them. Shortly after I received that >> hahaha Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs. >> I urge all of you to update your antivirus definitions and scan all your >> files. > > Or, get a Mac. > > Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:24:51 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Blonde in the Bleachers Reading about the Blonde in the Bleachers thread and picking out this to add my thoughts: > never got the sense that The Blonde in the Bleachers was Joni. > This is one of my favorite songs now but as a teenager sequestered up in my bedroom, it was one I played over and over and over. Sometimes just to hear Stephen Stills in the background, sometimes to muse over the content. I get such a Joni first person sense from this song, right from the get go with: "the blonde in the bleachers, she flips her hair for you" I've always felt that the subject who "starts to fall," catches the blonde hair in the first place because it reminds him of Joni. On the road and traveling, sometimes it's not the exotic that catches your eye as much as what reminds you of what's back home. So I'm thinking and seeing Joni right off the bat. And it is such a great song. I noticed that Lamadamarama pointed out how it works on so many levels. I see the song constantly flipping, (could be a pun but it's late and I'm tired), back and forth between Joni as the main subject and her man. It may be that she's on the road as well but she's not indulging in the same behavior. While he's out there "falling," she's touring or recording in a studio somewhere, trying to be objective about this, ("you hate living alone, you can still hear sweet mysteries calling you"), but regretful just the same, ("she tapes her regrets to the microphone stand"), and sings them out in song. So for me, I get the two main subjects juxtaposed on each other with Joni weaving those two visions very gracefully. That's all folks, MG NP: not listening to Jeff go on for the umpteenth time about the Kings game last night. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:33:58 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: RE Sonny Landreth I know I really love that album and if you like that you should check out the rest of his stuff + the stuff he has done with John Hiatt et al. The system he uses is called the TransPerformance guitar. Thanks to this list I heard about it and called the company and got one shipped to me to check out for a Jonifest at Ashara's three years ago. It is a great system (the one I got was in a Telecaster body). The only problem is that is does not work for all the Joni tunings. It has limitations in that it can't go up and down on all of the strings as far as Joni goes on her tunings. The first time I heard the thing was at a NAMM show long before I saw the post about it on the list and they had enlisted Jimmy Page to be an endorser. For the open "G" and "d" and "e" it is fine and works great but they haven't got all the way there yet for Joni stuff. It was also VERY heavy and works only in heavy axes like the Tele or Paul. Hope this helps Paz P.S. I was () this close to having Michele play Jonifest 2000. Maybe when I do the cd release party (wink wink) ;-) ;-) on 5/28/02 8:13 PM, flopit at flopit@mweb.co.za wrote: > > i should have guessed you would have known him. i got a copy of a radio > show (e-town) he did with michelle shocked & was blown away. i picked > up "south of i-10" which is really really good. > > during the radio interview he talked about some strange tuning system he > has, apparently with servo motors attached to each string, mounted in a les > paul body, and linked to some kind of processor. sounded quite fascinating > - do you know anything more about this?? > > ron > > np - michelle shocked - no wonder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:46:02 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: they took me away once again Nuriel Damn where have you been girl?? I feel your pain, but are you not sure it was just a flashback from another drug era?? Glad you grabbed hold of the list again. It is a foundation that is hard to resist and tough to compare. Be well! Paz P.S. Milky kisses in the globe??? on 5/29/02 1:01 PM, Nuriel Tobias at nuriel@wowmail.com wrote: > H-E-LLLOOOOOOO boys and girls and all aliens!!!:) how are you all? hope you're > better than ever and in a good vibe mood. As you may have noticed, i was > unbeing, nonpresented and dissfeaturing in our enchanting list for sometime. i > was "there" again, after being caught in a drug mess that ruined me strongly > bad and shocked my senses and made me go BANANAS, again that is, but you know > i told you when i met you i was crazy. (well, i'm not, but i was so overdozed > they just had the urge to take me to the asylum and watch my hair growing > longer by the hour, hehe:) it's realy long now. btw:) > > nough said. > > > love, hugs and all the milky kisses in the globe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:35:03 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #231 I don't think I can agree with this either. World music as a genre is getting huge in the US. British music practically took over in the 70's- Yes, ELP, Tull, Floyd, et al....I was a definite fan! There are literally hundreds of Reggae festivals every summer drawing huge crowds and featuring Jamaican musicians. Celtic music is pretty big. Hawaiian music is big. I went to a Brazilian music concert in San Francisco that was sold out, probably a couple thousand people, and they have them regularly. Shakira. Julio Iglesias. All them Eye- talian operas. Vanessa Mae, The Gypsy Kings, Bjork....I think there is quite alot of diversity. If anything, as someone mentioned, many of our own fine jazz musicians do not get the recognition they deserve. True, the mainstream Top 20 is often a bore, but 'twas ever thus. RR Nnamani Ugu wrote: > The issue of marketing music in America caught my attention. And I wander whether the pattern of American music lovers not patronising music from other countries is not typical of American lifestyle. Everything must be American standard or no deal. I feel the people should try out music from elsewhere for a change and better understanding of those cultures and lifestyle. > Ugu Nnamani ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:41:25 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: they took me away once again Nuriel Tobias wrote: > as for Joni - > do you think that joni is alcoholic? The thought has crossed my mind several times. In the Lacota video - is that a joint she's smoking or what? i need to know, because i'm now on NA (narcotic anonimous) and i would like to know more about Joni and her bad girl habits. > I don't think she is an alcoholic. She just doesn't come across as one. Her fondness for a drink now and then is pretty well documented in her own songs. I don't remember the Lakota video, but in interviews she has admitted to smoking the wacky tabacky, and sometimes receiving artistic inspiration from it. Bad habits? The other weed... the legal one...definitely hooked...... Nice to have you back. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 01:03:17 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #233 - Alcohol In a message dated 5/29/02 9:53:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > do you think that joni is alcoholic? > > No! I am alcoholic (sober) and I can spot one a mile away with my eyes closed. I don't hear or see the traits of alcoholism in JM, though obviously she is stuck on nicotine, an altogether different though destructive kind of addiction. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Questions for a research paper Hi again Stephanie, Wow. You really get to the heart of the matter with these questions. Not to be flippant but the "best" stuff is whatever is playing on the stereo at the time. I mean, it's one of the greatest pleasures of my life to be able to sit in my living room and CHOOSE from 21 official titles, not to mention at least that many boots. My idea of fun is an evening with a collection that spans Louis Armstrong to Plow On Boy playing on $4,000 worth of high fi gear at close range. But I digress. I guess my short answer is that first question, pointing at identifying "best creative material" is kind of meaningless to me. What does "best" mean? I have *my* favorites but I've heard Don Rowe and Marcel Deste make vigorous, impassioned, articulate, & convincing arguments for titles that don't mean much to me. I guess I'm contrary tonight cause I'll even argue with categorizing HOSL and Mingus in different periods. To me, the middle era, (my favorite if I have to pick) is C&S, MoA, HOSL, Hejira, DJRD, Mingus, S&L, and WTRF. That last one is agruable until you give me this point: imagine Crazy Horse trying to play those tracks. (And I love Crazy Horse, I'm just saying.) It's "wide like jazz" not rock. [SIDE QUESTION: LET'S SEE HANDS OF ANYONE WHO CAN NAME A STRETCH OF 8 ALBUMS IN A ROW OF THIS QUALITY FROM ANY OF THE SOLO BEATLES. GET THOSE HANDS UP!! OKAY, NOW WHO CAN NAME 8 DYLAN ALBUMS IN A ROW OF THIS QUALITY? ANYONE? NO ONE? NO ONE?!?!?] But like I said, choosing one era over the others is impossible. I mean, my favorite *period* is what I call the 'jazz' period but my favorite *album* is "For The Roses". How can I defend that contradiction? I mean how can I defend it with intellect? I can't. So, I'll answer the question you didn't ask. I was thinking about this today. I watched a video by Roy Clark. In his youth, he was a very fast player and had lots of charisma. He was alternately funny, sincere, and hammy but it reminded me that my favorite part of music has nothing to do with flash. Nothing to do with speed. It's about those rare moments when the singer and song disappear. Sometimes I'm struck motionless, suspended, comfortably numb as Roger Waters observed oh so long ago. I love the Quincy Jones arrangement of "One For My Baby", sung Frank on "Sinatra At The Sands" in front of Count Basie's orchestra. And a kinky obscure Steely Dan track called "Brooklyn". And "Isn't She Lovely" by Stevie Wonder. And Paul McCartney's "Junk". And Eddie Sauter's "Night Rider" with Stan Getz blowing over the top. What do these tracks have in common? I don't have a clue except that they all produce quickened pulse, dialated pupils, and hair-raising expectation. That brings me back to where I began. My favorite period is the one I'm exploring at the moment. The one that's reconnecting me with the wordless wonder we all came from. And to which we will all finally return. Lamadoo ps, Would you ask a mother, "Is your favorite child from your early, contemplative, naive experiences or your later, wisened, mature relationships?" We can't settle this tonight. Enough. 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