From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #155 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 155 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Rarities [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Sentence construction [Dave Cuneo ] 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' ["kerry" ] RE Sonny Landreth ["flopit" ] Re: The American record buying public (vljc) [Randy Remote ] Blonde in the Bleachers ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Gary Zack ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers [Randy Remote ] Re: Blonde in the Bleachers ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #230 - media/public image of Joni [BRYAN8847@aol.co] My Joni ["brian symes" ] Cartoon Coasters ["brian symes" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:00:56 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Joni Rarities Does anyone have any information about the following : 'Words and Music' USA Only promo CD. 1994 tour interview etc I found this reference in a listing for record shop advertised in an english music magazine. Tried to buy it over the phone but it had already been sold. thanks Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:05:49 -0400 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Sentence construction A lister wrote: "The words to that song are so beautiful and perfect. I love these: "We look like our mothers did now When we were those kids' age- " Actually, this line should have said "We now look like our mothers did when we were those kids age". The sentence structure is confusing at first. However, that IS my favorite song on WTRF! Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:09:54 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: 'Joni in Fiction' no longer just fiction!' I just glanced over this section this morning and it looks great!!!! I can't wait to take some time and read everything. Thanks Bob and Lori for doing this! Kerry Les wrote: Joniphiles - I'm pleased to announce that the long-awaited "Joni in Fiction" section is now up and running! Bob Murphy has done a great job of researching the information and has spent many hours readying the section for the website. Thanks for all your hard work, Bob. I'm looking forward to watching the section continue to grow. Take a look: http://www.jmdl.com/fiction Lori Fye is also helping Bob with the technical aspects of the section. Thanks to you both! Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:15:22 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Rarities <<'Words and Music' USA Only promo CD. 1994 tour interview etc>> You sure it was '1994', Les? I thought I had all the cd promo's but have no record of one from '94. There was a Morrisey interview promo from '96 called "Words & Music". Bob NP: The Police, "Landlord" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:36:05 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sentence construction/Chinese Cafe <> Or even, "Now we look like our mothers did, when we were those kids' age", BUT I think Joni's lyrical structure here is intentional, to set it up as a conversation between her and Carol. And when you're conversing, as opposed to writing verse, you're prone to swap words around like that. (Plus, she had to make it so the syllables would scan properly. Chinese Cafe IS of course a brilliant song. I feel like stylistically & thematically, it's a follow-up to "Harry's House/Centerpiece" as it traces one's earlier fantasies of life, connected to a pop song of the day, and contrasts that with the harder reality on the present. Bob NP: The Police, "Deathwish" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:20:01 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Re: The American record buying public Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:18:52 -0400 From: Engwall57 To: Chorando6 CC: joni@smoe.com Subject: Re: The American record buying public Message-ID: <05A73C2C.369B90A6.023DCF96@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In a message dated Mon, 27 May 2002 12:11:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chorando6@aol.com writes: >Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) purchased in the states is American. >Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the world. > And of that 97%, about 75% of it sucks. I guess Joni's CDs would be counted as American, since they are made here. Anyway, I agree, we are way too provincial here in the U.S. We need to start listening to what the rest of the world has to say. As Marley said, "One world, one love, let's get together and we'll feel all right." Ruthi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: The American record buying public (vljc) - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Chorando6@aol.com writes: > > << Did you know that 97% of music (cds etc) > purchased in the states is > American. > Leaving a measly 3% for music from the rest of the > world. >> > > Yes, but then again it could be argued that > "American" music *is* the music > of the entire world. American music has influences > from everywhere, whereas > much of the music from "the rest of the world" is > the product of cultures > with far less outside influence. > > I don't think this figure means that the entire US > is listening solely to > Britney and the boy bands. > > --Bob hey all. this isn't really a "reply" technically. i am fascinated by this thread and wanted to use to subject heading. it has always amazed me how few of the music listening public reads liner notes to find out where music is from, or where the artists are from. it's gotten to where a label like "real world", which has a clear code as to who is from where has almost stopped shipping all of it releases to us here in america. peter gabriel's new release is an example, though it will be released here later, after its initial release elsewhere. "ovo" was never imported to us. world music - you know the stuff, drums and percussion or vocalization based music is the origin, but when an artist like joni writes and releases "dreamland" it is hailed as a rare departure from all other music by critics. i also find it oddly facscinating that americans take such pride in the fact that our country is the birthplace of 'the blues'. 'the blues' stemmed from heartache and pain and loss. what's to be proud of? have an awesome day - christopher Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:50:37 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: Re: British Columbia songs hi bob wrote: >"Magdalene Laundries" describes how she wrote the music on the BC coast (I >know you've heard the story...) Anyway, one of the points of the story was >that (like FTR) writing in BC & surrounded by its beauty inspired a >beautiful >melody which turned dark only when she saw the headline about the Magdalene >Laundries in the news while grocery shopping. & bree replied >>>>>Yeah, she describes writing/her inspiration for ML.. too, in that MuchMusic interview. Her caretaker suggested that she try writing in the day light hours for a change, nightowl that she is. So she sat out on a rock,gulls were swooping, sun was shining.....and the rest, as they say, is history. Banquet..... obviously. What else?<<<<<<<<< the part of that story that really got to me was the part where she talks about tuning her guitar to the day... ron np - michelle shocked - forgive to forget ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:13:10 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: RE Sonny Landreth Hi >>>>Michael Paz Wrote >>>>I saw Sonny recently during Jazz Fest at a club called Rock and Bowl with Julius and my friend Stasia from the Ryan Adams list. It was one hell of a smoking set. He is such a fine player and a real nice guy to boot.<<<< i should have guessed you would have known him. i got a copy of a radio show (e-town) he did with michelle shocked & was blown away. i picked up "south of i-10" which is really really good. during the radio interview he talked about some strange tuning system he has, apparently with servo motors attached to each string, mounted in a les paul body, and linked to some kind of processor. sounded quite fascinating - - do you know anything more about this?? ron np - michelle shocked - no wonder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:35:22 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The American record buying public (vljc) christopher blake wrote: > > i also find it oddly facscinating that americans take > such pride in the fact that our country is the > birthplace of 'the blues'. 'the blues' stemmed from > heartache and pain and loss. what's to be proud of? Lots of great art of all kinds has stemmed from heartache, pain, and loss.And like Neil Diamond (that great bluesman) said, "You take the blues and make a song, you sing them out again"....And like BB King or somebody sang, "The blues had a baby and named it rock and roll" . Although what we think of as blues has roots in southern rural America, the pentatonic scale is so basic and universal, you can find it in ethnic music all over the world. I discovered this as a teen when I started playing a blues scale over a Ravi Shankar raga-it fit! America has given the world alot...I think our music, blues and jazz are something to be proud of, certainly more noble than guns, death, and gunboat diplomacy!!! Gumbo diplomacy is better. RR npimh-Everyday I Have The Blues ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:13:30 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: W32 Klez virus alert sorry for the NJC, but I wanted this reach you all. I've received several emails this morning that had zip file attachments. In the subject line it reads "Here to continue" One of them was sent from my what looked to be my cousins email address, so I thought she was sending me something. Norton picked up on it thank god and I deleted them. Shortly after I received that hahaha Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs. I urge all of you to update your antivirus definitions and scan all your files. Be careful out there... rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:35:42 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: W32 Klez virus alert RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > sorry for the NJC, but I wanted this reach you all. I've received several > emails this morning that had zip file attachments. In the subject line it > reads "Here to continue" One of them was sent from my what looked to be my > cousins email address, so I thought she was sending me something. Norton > picked up on it thank god and I deleted them. Shortly after I received that > hahaha Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs. > I urge all of you to update your antivirus definitions and scan all your > files. Or, get a Mac. Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:46:01 -0400 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Blonde in the Bleachers One of my favorite FTR songs is Blonde in the Bleachers...for obvious reasons:) I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes her regrets to the microphone stand....", I am sure it probably has some very literal meaning, but I always imagine Joni playing to a list of her regrets as sorrowful inspiration. I just think it's a wonderful phrase. Any thoughts?? Oh and is this one also about JT? I get a feeling that the first verse of FTR and BITB are about the same person, but that's just me. Take care, Erica NP:Neil Young , Everybody Knows This is Nowhere _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:09:52 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers Hi Erica, I always took the phrase to mean that she scotch tapes her song list (or "songs of regret") to the microphone stand, much like many performers tape their set lists to guitars, pianos, etc. reminding themselves what that they will play that evening. Just my two cents... Best regards, Gary Erica Trudelle wrote: > > One of my favorite FTR songs is Blonde in the Bleachers...for obvious > reasons:) I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes > her regrets to the microphone stand....", I am sure it probably has some > very literal meaning, but I always imagine Joni playing to a list of her > regrets as sorrowful inspiration. I just think it's a wonderful phrase. Any > thoughts?? Oh and is this one also about JT? I get a feeling that the first > verse of FTR and BITB are about the same person, but that's just me. > Take care, Erica > NP:Neil Young , Everybody Knows This is Nowhere > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:40:53 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers I think the identity of the character addressing "you" in the lyric changes as the song progresses. she flips her hair for you...you start to fall... she follows you home but you'd miss livin' alone-- the SINGER is addressing a male rock and roller who attracts female groupies (one of them is who follows him home) and the singer says in so many words "I understand why you won't settle down." Later on that same SHE sends him a message on a piece of paper she somehow manages to tape to his mic stand (presumably after a one-night stand that she wishes would go into something more long term--hence the "regrets.") The groupie writes, in her message, "You (meaning "one"--herself or any other smitten fan) "can't hold the hand of a rock 'n' roll man" because there are just too many competing available females out there for him in his travels. Of course "Joni Mitchell" (the persona in many of her songs in the 70s) desired and achieved the independence and freedom to be as promiscuous as any male rock star. But this song indicates that she was still sensitive to the desire for "security" (if that's the right word--maybe it should be "possession") of the other partner in these brief connections. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:54:20 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers Been thinking about this one lately, too. The visual I get is that she scotch tapes a list of her greviences to the mic stand of the guy in the song...this must be before the show-since the rocker will be off to his tour bus or plane afterward.(he's a big enough star to have roadies). So the singer of the song has backstage access. The list of regrets is clear,,,you can't hold the hand/make your plans etc with a rock and roll man....Since so much of the FTR songs are about JT, I wonder if this is the crux of their breakup- his weakness for willing groupies, which is, sigh, the nature of the race....I guess it could easily be about Nash, too. I had previously thought it was kind of an impersonal story about some girl's broken heart over some rocker. Maybe the girl was Joni. RR Erica Trudelle wrote: > One of my favorite FTR songs is Blonde in the Bleachers...for obvious > reasons:) I was wondering what everyone else thought of the line, "She tapes > her regrets to the microphone stand....", I am sure it probably has some > very literal meaning, but I always imagine Joni playing to a list of her > regrets as sorrowful inspiration. I just think it's a wonderful phrase. Any > thoughts?? Oh and is this one also about JT? I get a feeling that the first > verse of FTR and BITB are about the same person, but that's just me. > Take care, Erica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:22:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Blonde in the Bleachers I think this is Joni's song of regrets about James Taylor (but possibly Nash). I don't think Joni is just another one of the groupies in the song, but rather the girlfriend who can't deal with the groupies any longer. It's Joni who can't count on her plans, compete with the fans, the girls and the band and the rock and roll man. In the JT bio that came out a couple years ago there is quite a bit about the relationship with Joni. It said that Taylor was a bit of a devil-may-care womanizer back then who cheated on her and that she couldn't take it after a point. This was the first I'd heard of him cheating on her with others besides Carly. The bios I've read about CSNY have Nash saying only that his absences on the road contributed to the break-up and that he regretted not being more sensitive to her feeling a bit left out. Somehow I cannot see Nash cheating on her but who knows. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:37:15 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #230 - media/public image of Joni Another pet peave of mine that I know has been mentioned here before is the fact that when they do show Joni clips, it's like she quit making music after recording "Help Me". She's made videos in the eighties and nineties, and has made appearances. Why must we always have this picture in our heads of her strumming her dulcimer to "California" or giggling at the end of "Big Yellow Taxi"? >>I think most of us are equally dismayed by the popular/media portrayal of Joni as "that folksinger," a portrayal that JM has also expressed dismay over. It pretty much makes me sick (though of course I do have other things to think about) when I hear or see that sort of thing. Somehow, around five years ago when all the tribute stuff started, Big Yellow Taxi became Joni's signature song (perhaps because it has been covered so much in recent years). Even during the Grammy Lifetime Achievement award presentation, they chose a clip of an early, folky performance of Both Sides Now. It's even as if the public has forgotten Court & Spark/Help Me and is now permanently associating Joni with Ladies of the Canyon and Blue. Sure, there are worse things to be associated with, but when I think of a typical Mitchell song, I think of a more complex sort of pop music, jazzy and sensual with emphasis on bass and unusual rhythms. But then again, I started listening in 1974-5 rather than stopping then, which it seems is the dominant trend. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:56:12 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: My Joni Recently I bought a Japanese scroll painting of Guan Yin the goddess of Infinite Compassion, Flying above Mt. Fuji and the coast line below with Pine trees that fade out in the coastal Fog. For as long as I can remember Joni has been my Godess of Infinite Emotions. Yesterday When I was out in the Field behind my house a humming bird was buzzing up in a blooming Hawthorn tree. I was immediatly called to stillnes to listen. This is what Joni's voice does to my sensory nerves pulling them tight, pulling them tense over the sound hole of my heart. Brian Symes - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:21:12 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Cartoon Coasters I remember seeing "Adult Cartoons " Coasters/ with Happy Hour Menu's at many Hotel Bars in my "Candide" travels.I can imagine Joni caring felt marks in her purse drawing porraits and writing her next song . As an Architect/poet I have dreamed up many houses that were never built and many love sonnets never sent on the back of these same coasters.I remember when I first played the song of the LP for the very first time, I thought she said Carters Coaster and I thought of the Cigarette brand in Ontario just about everybody over the age of 16 smoked.Cough Brian Symes - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #155 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?